Eisel Mazards’ Patreon – 2016

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Dec 31, 2016 at 9:16am

[Podcast + Photographs:] Dehong, the Vegan Hotel on the Edge of the World, etc.

[NOTE: Some of you won’t be interested in the first half of the podcast, but please do read through the list of topics, as I feel confident that most of my regular viewers will, at least, be interested in the discussion in the final third or so.]0:48 • Implicit standards for who is, “a real vegan” (e.g., you’re not a real vegan if you have sugar in your soymilk).

3:45 • I’m still sick (mentioned).

4:00 • You can now get photographs from my travels (and daily life) via “Nice”, a.k.a., “OneNiceApp”, a competitor to Instagram.

5:00 • Reflections on the extreme beauty of Dehong (德宏).

10:00 • Hopes that my daughter will visit me here, mentioning the swimming pool, warmed (and filled) by the natural hotsprings.

11:00 • Question: why do I sometimes refer to my location as Mangshi (芒市) and sometimes as Dehong (德宏)?

13:00 • Question: is my daughter vegan?

14:00 • Brief mention of the good news that my legal case (in France) seem to be making progress.

15:20 • Some discussion about vegan vitamin supplements during pregnancy.

16:10 • My own long-term plans (abandoned?) to open a vegan hotel, or a vegan guesthouse, or a vegan gym, or all three (my past attempt to enroll in a diploma in hotel-management for this reason, etc.).

22:20 • Surprise! Dehong already has a vegan hotel! Start of a long discussion of the many strange features of the semi-vegan hotel here in Dehong, run as a (non-profit) charity project with more than one mandate, by the wealthy owner of a tea-processing factory. This includes some description (and discussion) of the food.

33:40 • (Getting into the details of the food.)

40:45 • The OTHER aspect of the vegan hotel’s mandate: the local ethnic minorities / indigenous tribal people (少数民族/土生土长人), with some reflection on our recurring ethical and strategic problem of “single issue causes” vs. multiple/broader mandates.

53:00 • How much time should a person spend on humanitarianism vs. everything else? How much time does a person allot to the pursuit of political goals, vs. self-indulgence or any other category? What are the strategic and ethical decisions you can make, when you consider how much you’ve got to give? What attitude do you take toward (reciprocally) time “for yourself”, etc.?

1:08:00 • “A Privileged Vegan” is dropping out of university to pursue youtube stardom: reflections on education, career-aspirations and the lure of the permanent vacation from a very different perspective (than you’ll find in my other videos).

1:12:50 • On the meaning of education itself, on the importance of being challenged by education, reflecting that the experience of youtube “micro-fame” is in some ways antithetical to “getting an education” in this sense (of being led to re-evaluate your own assumptions, to have a jarring point-of-departure from your prior ignorance/beliefs, etc.).

1:20:24 • New Year’s resolutions, the immediate future of the youtube channel, etc.; “Nobody looks back at their lives and says, ‘I wish I had spent more time sitting at my computer alone’.”

[NOTE: Some of you won’t be interested in the first half of the podcast, but please do read through the list of topics, as I feel confident that most of my regular viewers will, at least, be interested in the discussion in the final third or so.]0:48 • Implicit standards for who is, “a real vegan” (e.g., you’re not a real vegan if you have sugar in your soymilk).

3:45 • I’m still sick (mentioned).

4:00 • You can now get photographs from my travels (and daily life) via “Nice”, a.k.a., “OneNiceApp”, a competitor to Instagram.

5:00 • Reflections on the extreme beauty of Dehong (德宏).

10:00 • Hopes that my daughter will visit me here, mentioning the swimming pool, warmed (and filled) by the natural hotsprings.

11:00 • Question: why do I sometimes refer to my location as Mangshi (芒市) and sometimes as Dehong (德宏)?

13:00 • Question: is my daughter vegan?

14:00 • Brief mention of the good news that my legal case (in France) seem to be making progress.

15:20 • Some discussion about vegan vitamin supplements during pregnancy.

16:10 • My own long-term plans (abandoned?) to open a vegan hotel, or a vegan guesthouse, or a vegan gym, or all three (my past attempt to enroll in a diploma in hotel-management for this reason, etc.).

22:20 • Surprise! Dehong already has a vegan hotel! Start of a long discussion of the many strange features of the semi-vegan hotel here in Dehong, run as a (non-profit) charity project with more than one mandate, by the wealthy owner of a tea-processing factory. This includes some description (and discussion) of the food.

33:40 • (Getting into the details of the food.)

40:45 • The OTHER aspect of the vegan hotel’s mandate: the local ethnic minorities / indigenous tribal people (少数民族/土生土长人), with some reflection on our recurring ethical and strategic problem of “single issue causes” vs. multiple/broader mandates.

53:00 • How much time should a person spend on humanitarianism vs. everything else? How much time does a person allot to the pursuit of political goals, vs. self-indulgence or any other category? What are the strategic and ethical decisions you can make, when you consider how much you’ve got to give? What attitude do you take toward (reciprocally) time “for yourself”, etc.?

1:08:00 • “A Privileged Vegan” is dropping out of university to pursue youtube stardom: reflections on education, career-aspirations and the lure of the permanent vacation from a very different perspective (than you’ll find in my other videos).

1:12:50 • On the meaning of education itself, on the importance of being challenged by education, reflecting that the experience of youtube “micro-fame” is in some ways antithetical to “getting an education” in this sense (of being led to re-evaluate your own assumptions, to have a jarring point-of-departure from your prior ignorance/beliefs, etc.).

1:20:24 • New Year’s resolutions, the immediate future of the youtube channel, etc.; “Nobody looks back at their lives and says, ‘I wish I had spent more time sitting at my computer alone’.”

A gap in the fence, a glimpse of the mountains past a construction site, 1.JPG

Here you get a sense of scale, as to just how massive the trees are.JPG

Almost a tunnel of trees, blocking out the tropical sun.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, a roundabout.JPG

My Chinese name, as written on a bunch of packages.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, a shaded sidewalk.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, a small road.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, note the mountains in the distance.JPG

Smoke beneath the sunset, city limits.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, an ordinary road.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, tropical vines and traffic.JPG

The beauty of the streets of Dehong, shops beneath the palm trees.JPG

The beauty of the streets, sprawling, tropical trees in a roundabout.JPG

The environment is everyone’s responsibility, 2.JPG

The golden temple, zoomed in view (often seen in the distance).JPG

The environment is everyone’s responsibility, 1.JPG

The pool in Mangshi 1.JPG

The pool in Mangshi 2.JPG

The highway leading into town.JPG

The urban forest, again, regarded as ordinary and unremarkable.JPG

The presumed future, the railroad that will end the region’s isolation, now under construction.JPG

The vegan hotel, exterior, 1.JPG

The vegan hotel, one of the staff in ethnic minority costume.JPG

The vegan hotel, medicinal vinegar flavored brownies.JPG

The vegan hotel, the food looks better than it tastes.JPG

Yes, the area also has copious fresh fruit.JPG

The vegan hotel, the lunch and dinner buffet.JPG

The vegan hotel, exterior, 2.JPG

[Patreon-Exclusive] Dehong, the Vegan Hotel on the Edge of the World, etc.mp3s

Melissa Renee

Yuck about the fermented vinegar berry thing; sounds like an extract made out of kombucha. My brother lived in Gainesville when he got his PhD from University of Florida and Dehong’s ecology looks and sounds like Gainesville, with the *notable* exception of mountains! When I visited him we drove to Ginnie Springs about an hour away and floated down a spring-sourced river, and you could float over to these inlets where fresh spring water came out along the way. It turned out to be one of the most beautiful places I’d ever been in my life, and I was very spoiled as a child by traveling to many beautiful places (skiing the Wasatch front in Utah, visiting my other brother in CA and seeing Big Sur & Yosemite, a mediterranean cruise with stops in Santorini, Nice, Venice, two trips to Europe in high school, etc., etc.) Actually the most humble of places was my favorite trip so far: the upper peninsula of Michigan. Anyway, I can’t find where you said it now, but I think you’d be good at a weekly roundup of “vegan news”, like a Jimmy Dore style show. I commented that I’d like to do something like that really because I want a show like that to exist, but I won’t actually do it, I do *not* have the stage presence or even the desire to be in front of a camera like you do. Also I know there are already many people who would want to be guests on your show, via Skype or in person depending on where you are. And I really hope 2017 is the year you get custody of your daughter and can finally spend time with her. It would be adorable to see you read your children’s book to her.

Eisel Mazard

That “magic vinegar” is nuts… even when they add it to green vegetables, it makes the vegetables taste awful (but adding it to BROWNIES????).

Eisel Mazard

BTW, there is an MP3 file in there (in the LONG list of downloads) so that you can download a more portable podcast / audio-only-version of the thing: you don’t have to sit watching Youtube for an hour!

Dec 31, 2016 at 7:39am

2017 Vegan Resolutions and Vegan Revolutions

This is a prelude to a patreon-exclusive podcast, but the two recordings DO NOT OVERLAP (i.e., you can listen to this one first, THEN the next one, etc.).(The real podcast is 1h30min (i.e., totally separate from and not overlapping with this 30 min. prelude) and should be uploaded just a few minutes after this one.)

If you want to see photographs from my very-photogenic “home town” in China, sign get the app “Nice” at: oneniceapp.com

(You can search for my Chinese name, 马大影, to find my profile more easily.)

BTW, as per usual, I’ve uploaded an MP3 version that you can hear as a podcast (attached to this post), but for those who are going to “feast their eyes” on the video, you can see that I’m visibly sick and tired: for several videos in a row, I’ve been looking and sounding less charming than usual, due to illness.

This is a prelude to a patreon-exclusive podcast, but the two recordings DO NOT OVERLAP (i.e., you can listen to this one first, THEN the next one, etc.).(The real podcast is 1h30min (i.e., totally separate from and not overlapping with this 30 min. prelude) and should be uploaded just a few minutes after this one.)

If you want to see photographs from my very-photogenic “home town” in China, sign get the app “Nice” at: oneniceapp.com

(You can search for my Chinese name, 马大影, to find my profile more easily.)

BTW, as per usual, I’ve uploaded an MP3 version that you can hear as a podcast (attached to this post), but for those who are going to “feast their eyes” on the video, you can see that I’m visibly sick and tired: for several videos in a row, I’ve been looking and sounding less charming than usual, due to illness.

2017 Vegan Resolutions and Vegan Revolutions.mp3s

NotKurtis

Are you left-handed, Eisel?

Dec 30, 2016 at 11:26pm

[Other voices:] Becoming vegan in a family of hunters and butchers in Macedonia

This is from a raw vegan bodybuilder (natty or not), and I assumed his content would be garbage based on the cover-images… but, in fact, if you listen to just the first 5 minutes of this video, you get a very interesting, down-to-earth story, about this guy growing up in a family of hunters, farmers and slaughterhouse workers in Macedonia, and seeing a pig slaughtered during his childhood, etc.

This is from a raw vegan bodybuilder (natty or not), and I assumed his content would be garbage based on the cover-images… but, in fact, if you listen to just the first 5 minutes of this video, you get a very interesting, down-to-earth story, about this guy growing up in a family of hunters, farmers and slaughterhouse workers in Macedonia, and seeing a pig slaughtered during his childhood, etc.s

Nick Knowles

seems like a good guy

Melissa Renee

Interesting to hear this guy’s story. I know someone else has asked on this Patreon before, I think his name was Miguel? I haven’t seen him comment in a while, but he asked if you could talk about your opinion on psychedelics and I don’t think you ever responded. From a young age I was very anti-drug. Years after high school my former best friend told me that the reason why she started flaking on our plans and why we drifted apart is that she felt intimidated by me, that I judged her too much for being a “bad kid” (drinking, doing drugs, having sex, what the fuck ever else her lenient parents allowed her to do) in high school. I don’t know if I buy that story, I think she just didn’t want to hang out with me because I spent my free time studying, practicing violin, and getting enough sleep for my early morning choir rehearsals (i.e., uncool) and didn’t get want to get involved with the shitty (i.e., cool) people she did, but that’s just to give you a sense of how I came across. Despite this, when I was 17 I found myself interested in a man (my now boyfriend) who has tried nearly every drug in the book, and he speaks very fondly of his experiences with LSD and mushrooms. He says LSD positively impacted how he views himself and his life. Many of my friends in college took LSD and mushrooms without any negative consequences that I’m aware of, but I never partook. One, I don’t want to disappoint my parents and I’d feel awful if they found out I took LSD. Second, I feared that we’d get caught and put in jail or that I’d be the one who wound up huddled in a corner with a bad trip, any number of negative potential scenarios that could arise. My opinion on drug use has softened, and sometimes when I hear these enlightening trips, I feel like I’ve missed out. Part of me is curious to know if I could somehow come out of an LSD trip with less anxiety and depression, with some kind of resolve about what to do with my life, or some deep connection with nature. But then the other part is like, nah, that’s bullshit.

Dec 30, 2016 at 2:48pm

Vegan Anti-Minimalist Apartment Tour (Maximalist?).

With some remarks on my life in Dehong, Yunnan, China (my diet, job, education, exercise, etc.). 中国,云南,德宏,芒市。纯素主义。s

Genevieve Jackson

Keeping it real episode of House Hunters International. What a great looking place! Nice and clean with no pets.:)

Eisel Mazard

Whoever moves into the guest bedroom is, in effect, my pet.

Alec Android

Eisel Mazard

Dec 28, 2016 at 1:05pm

Defamation Destroys the Vegan Movement From Within: Jeff Nelson, Durianrider, Vegan Cheetah.

Dealing with the latest flak from Jeff Nelson (Vegsource), and including an update on the legal case in Thailand (vs. Durianrider), toward the 42:00 mark.[NOTE: I didn’t include a podcast-version this time (MP3 / audio-only) because, honestly, I think the video would be difficult to understand without the images and text on-screen (at one point, e.g., it cuts away to a clip with music playing, etc.).]

Dealing with the latest flak from Jeff Nelson (Vegsource), and including an update on the legal case in Thailand (vs. Durianrider), toward the 42:00 mark.[NOTE: I didn’t include a podcast-version this time (MP3 / audio-only) because, honestly, I think the video would be difficult to understand without the images and text on-screen (at one point, e.g., it cuts away to a clip with music playing, etc.).]s

Marion Poliquin

I respect the work Jeff Nelson has done to promote veganism and health through his website and conferences. But the man has demonstrated a complete lack of personal integrity. At the same time as he’s having the LAPD investigate online threats he received he’s acting like a teenager who doesn’t realize that his online comments can have actual repercussions. I’m speechless.

Eisel Mazard

I can ask, Marion, can you imagine that six months from now (or two years from now, etc.) Jeff and I might be, “on the same team”? With people like Jeff (who supposedly hate me) I really think it’s worth asking: is it possible or impossible to actually have co-operation (or even civil debate) for the sake of veganism? In many cases (e.g., Unnatural Vegan) the answer is, “no”.

Melissa Renee

The quote on the tag attached to my teabag right now seems fitting: “If you do anything out of sheer compassion, you will never be wrong.”

Dec 27, 2016 at 2:57pm

The Philosophy of Ted Carr. (All New, All Different)

This does not repeat any of the material from my first video on Mr. Carr (thus, I disclaim, “All New, All Different”).This was recorded at the end of a more-than-three-hour-long live-streaming session, when I was at home, sick, recovering from a cold (thus, my voice is slightly strange, and I may be slightly lesss handsome and charming than usual… but it is, perhaps, appropriate for this video).

This does not repeat any of the material from my first video on Mr. Carr (thus, I disclaim, “All New, All Different”).This was recorded at the end of a more-than-three-hour-long live-streaming session, when I was at home, sick, recovering from a cold (thus, my voice is slightly strange, and I may be slightly lesss handsome and charming than usual… but it is, perhaps, appropriate for this video).s

Art.of.War

P.S.: Some of Ted’s self-help books seem simply to be dubious imo (not backed by research, not written by an expert in the field, law of attraction hyperbole, etc.), and then others are good (“Psycho-Cybernetics” is a good text rooted in basic cognitive behavioural therapy) but are often weirdly misunderstood or not fully understood by Ted. Ted also seems to have a disturbingly limited understanding of polyamory as “I just sleep with whomever I want, whenever I want,” (that’s just called “random sex,” I believe? ) without the really tough relationship work that *loving* more than one person needs to be successful…

Eisel Mazard

Re: “I just sleep with whomever I want, whenever I want,” (I have intentionally chosen not even to mention Ted’s sex-life in the videos criticizing him: I don’t know anything about it, and I think he may just be extremely inarticulate in trying to describe (as you say) normal “sleeping around”).

Art.of.War

They’re so energised in this “we love money” vid, haha: I think they may see their relationship as having some business advantages, in the same way that Freelee and Harley did. The Fruit Winter Fest (www.fruitwinterfest.com) that they run together every January in Chiang Mai is “donation-based” – it’s about $100 for the festival, $10 per event, and if you want to stay in their “fruit house,” around $450 for accommodation for the week. I’m imagining you there, Eisel; what fun that would be.

Eisel Mazard

That’s strange… I’ve been aware of the Thai Winter Fruit festival “since forever”, but I have NOT been aware of this couple (as the organizers behind it). The promises (and purposes) of the festival are painfully vague, “Come to Fruit Winter Fest and learn more about yourself. Go beyond just surviving and start living your dreams.” Uh… anyone interested in organizing veganism as a movement for social change?

Dec 27, 2016 at 5:14am

Photos From My Real Life on “Nice” (An Instagram-Competitor)

[NOTE:] Someone wrote in saying the easiest way to find me was to copy-and-paste my Chinese name (马大影, ma-da-ying), rather than using my English name.I just uploaded photos (“live”) from my trip to Ruili (瑞丽) and back. I think I’m going to continue to upload photographs (and possibly snarky commentary) from my life in China, via this app called Nice.

“Nice” is a competitor to Instagram (and Instagram is illegal in China). As it isn’t terribly easy to google “Nice”, you can also search for “One Nice App”, or “OneNiceApp”.

oneniceapp.com

HOWEVER, Nice only runs within your phone: it apparently doesn’t have a “desktop portal” in the same way that Instagram does. However, you can try putting it on your phone, and searching for either my English name or my Chinese name (马大影) and see more imagery from my endlessly-photogenic surroundings. And, yeah, I’ll probably be posting stuff from my personal life, as soon as I finish unpacking and GET a personal life.

[NOTE:] Someone wrote in saying the easiest way to find me was to copy-and-paste my Chinese name (马大影, ma-da-ying), rather than using my English name.I just uploaded photos (“live”) from my trip to Ruili (瑞丽) and back. I think I’m going to continue to upload photographs (and possibly snarky commentary) from my life in China, via this app called Nice.

“Nice” is a competitor to Instagram (and Instagram is illegal in China). As it isn’t terribly easy to google “Nice”, you can also search for “One Nice App”, or “OneNiceApp”.

oneniceapp.com

HOWEVER, Nice only runs within your phone: it apparently doesn’t have a “desktop portal” in the same way that Instagram does. However, you can try putting it on your phone, and searching for either my English name or my Chinese name (马大影) and see more imagery from my endlessly-photogenic surroundings. And, yeah, I’ll probably be posting stuff from my personal life, as soon as I finish unpacking and GET a personal life.

Lucill Ashlie

Nice!

Dec 26, 2016 at 12:54pm

[Flashback:] Vegan Elitism? A Small Minority Seeking Political Change.

I just watched this again (almost at random). To me, it’s striking that (1) this deals with the same set of issues as several recent videos but from a very different angle (cf. my advice to Michael Goodchild (titled “IMHO, the Political Approach to Veganism is Less Depressing than the Alternatives”), or even the “Rules for Radicals” review, etc.), and (2) in a subtle-but-profound way, I think the video is much more optmistic than my recent contributions.

I just watched this again (almost at random). To me, it’s striking that (1) this deals with the same set of issues as several recent videos but from a very different angle (cf. my advice to Michael Goodchild (titled “IMHO, the Political Approach to Veganism is Less Depressing than the Alternatives”), or even the “Rules for Radicals” review, etc.), and (2) in a subtle-but-profound way, I think the video is much more optmistic than my recent contributions.s

Alena

Thanks!

Steven

Howdy! You have mentioned on several occasions that we don’t need to be a majority of the population, that we can effect change with 5%, or some other minority share. I don’t disagree, but I am curious what goals (or kinds of goals) you are referring to when you describe this kind of small minority as being sufficient for producing positive change. I don’t believe that, for example, if 10% of the population were vegan we could outlaw meat, but of course there are intermediate goals. I am wondering if you could share what, from your perspective, some of those are.

Eisel Mazard

I think you already know many examples from my channel, Steven, but to use something “fresh”, you might consider that ModVegan recently made a video about rendering plants, and how these “relay” animal flesh into an amazing array of products. Regulations to restrict rendering, and to limit the “downstream” effects of rendered tallow (etc.) in the economy, would be an example that mainstream society would probably not resist. If 5% of the population thinks that having dead cows in the currency (“paper money”) is a problem, 95% won’t object, because money works the same (for them) if it’s vegan, etc.

Dec 26, 2016 at 7:33am

Anecdotes and Updates from China: New Contract, Dubious Future Plans.

[This was composed as an e-mail, on a mobile phone, and sent to my parents, my ex-wife, and many other people, illustrating my life here in China in various ways.]In looking to the future, I am still filled with dread (it is not clear at all how I will ever earn enough money to care for my daughter, and it is not clear to me what I will do to survive in Canada, nor where my daughter will be living,etc. etc.)…

HOWEVER, I have some minor good news.

The second draft of my contract paid 15000 RMB less than the first draft, and I have now succeeded in negotiating a “raise” of 15,000 in the third draft — thus the final draft pays as much as the first.

To tell the whole story (of how I accomplished this) would be somewhat droll. In brief, the drama was heightened because my boss’s supervisor could only approve a raise of 10,000, and had to request special permission from a higher level (her supervisor’s supervisor) to grant 15,000 –and given that I already was the highest paid foreigner they’d ever had, they urged me not to press my luck.

I pressed. I won.

The origin of the problem is that my visa paperwork invalidated their claim to a subsidy from government –i.e. the university would pay 100 percent of the cost themselves.

At every stage of contract negotiations, the fact that I am handsome was mentioned, REPEATEDLY. The emphasis on male beauty in this culture is absurd. When I met the university president he commented that I was handsome repeatedly (the department head added, “his Chinese calligraphy is also beautiful!”) –and I warned, sagaciously, that handsome men could be terrible teachers. This possibility was dismissed.

My boss (my most direct boss, who is male) is exactly the same age I am, but nobody calls him “young”; EVERYONE calls me “young”, even him (my direct boss). When I point out that we’re the same age, it is more or less admitted that handsome means young. Undeceived, I remain keenly aware that I am not young.

My boss described to me the wonderful life he imagined I ‘d have as am English teacher in China, but it was “a dream of youth” that he described. I reminded him that I have a three year old daughter, that I am the same age he is himself, but I have no career –and I’m ambitious (野心,really meaning ambitious to a fault).

He was being sincere in describing what he imagined my life would be like; I was being sincere in my reply.

Although 德宏 is a strange paradise in many ways, knowing that I will be here for one year only makes it all “a stale promontory” –I now really need to fear what I will do when I return to UVic.

This is perhaps the only place on earth where I could study Burmese 缅甸语,Dai 德宏傣语,Kachin/Jingpo 景颇语 and Chinese, simultaneously (the Burmese professor is extremely eager to have me as a student, perhaps due to my prior study of Pali 巴利文,perhaps just because I am handsome –she mentioned this many times). However, if this is a one year assignment, I would need to focus on Chinese only.

The guanxi 关系 will last forever if the job goes well: they said they’d be eager to issue student visas to me for any future language research, or any further interest I might have in living in Dehong. Alas, I have ambitions. I’m not on vacation. I need a career, and nobody here can offer me that –nor can anyone in China offer me an M.A.

EM

[This was composed as an e-mail, on a mobile phone, and sent to my parents, my ex-wife, and many other people, illustrating my life here in China in various ways.]In looking to the future, I am still filled with dread (it is not clear at all how I will ever earn enough money to care for my daughter, and it is not clear to me what I will do to survive in Canada, nor where my daughter will be living,etc. etc.)…

HOWEVER, I have some minor good news.

The second draft of my contract paid 15000 RMB less than the first draft, and I have now succeeded in negotiating a “raise” of 15,000 in the third draft — thus the final draft pays as much as the first.

To tell the whole story (of how I accomplished this) would be somewhat droll. In brief, the drama was heightened because my boss’s supervisor could only approve a raise of 10,000, and had to request special permission from a higher level (her supervisor’s supervisor) to grant 15,000 –and given that I already was the highest paid foreigner they’d ever had, they urged me not to press my luck.

I pressed. I won.

The origin of the problem is that my visa paperwork invalidated their claim to a subsidy from government –i.e. the university would pay 100 percent of the cost themselves.

At every stage of contract negotiations, the fact that I am handsome was mentioned, REPEATEDLY. The emphasis on male beauty in this culture is absurd. When I met the university president he commented that I was handsome repeatedly (the department head added, “his Chinese calligraphy is also beautiful!”) –and I warned, sagaciously, that handsome men could be terrible teachers. This possibility was dismissed.

My boss (my most direct boss, who is male) is exactly the same age I am, but nobody calls him “young”; EVERYONE calls me “young”, even him (my direct boss). When I point out that we’re the same age, it is more or less admitted that handsome means young. Undeceived, I remain keenly aware that I am not young.

My boss described to me the wonderful life he imagined I ‘d have as am English teacher in China, but it was “a dream of youth” that he described. I reminded him that I have a three year old daughter, that I am the same age he is himself, but I have no career –and I’m ambitious (野心,really meaning ambitious to a fault).

He was being sincere in describing what he imagined my life would be like; I was being sincere in my reply.

Although 德宏 is a strange paradise in many ways, knowing that I will be here for one year only makes it all “a stale promontory” –I now really need to fear what I will do when I return to UVic.

This is perhaps the only place on earth where I could study Burmese 缅甸语,Dai 德宏傣语,Kachin/Jingpo 景颇语 and Chinese, simultaneously (the Burmese professor is extremely eager to have me as a student, perhaps due to my prior study of Pali 巴利文,perhaps just because I am handsome –she mentioned this many times). However, if this is a one year assignment, I would need to focus on Chinese only.

The guanxi 关系 will last forever if the job goes well: they said they’d be eager to issue student visas to me for any future language research, or any further interest I might have in living in Dehong. Alas, I have ambitions. I’m not on vacation. I need a career, and nobody here can offer me that –nor can anyone in China offer me an M.A.

EMs

Art.of.War

Have you also, like Hamlet, “forgone all custom of exercises,” or has your gym equipment now arrived? There’s a healthy amount of existential dread in this post; it’s reassuring and fascinating to find the same eternal human struggles in correspondence by good letter writers of any era (Pliny Younger, Peyps diaries, Lord Byron’s and Henry James’s letters, etc.).

Dec 26, 2016 at 7:15am

[Other voices:] Richard and Jasmine Vent on Vegan Cheetah.

My name comes up a few times in this video, a free-ranging discussion running about 40 minutes long. I probably wouldn’t have listened to it if I wasn’t unpacking –but hey, it’s GREAT content to listen to while you’re unpacking. ;-)More content soon: I’m back at my desk now, just returned from Ruili (瑞丽) where I didn’t have a computer with me.

My name comes up a few times in this video, a free-ranging discussion running about 40 minutes long. I probably wouldn’t have listened to it if I wasn’t unpacking –but hey, it’s GREAT content to listen to while you’re unpacking. ;-)More content soon: I’m back at my desk now, just returned from Ruili (瑞丽) where I didn’t have a computer with me.s

Simon Poley

I laughed, maybe I shouldn’t but I did.

Melissa Renee

Aw snap did you see Jae’s video yet in response? https://youtu.be/yxqUigE_JUo

Dec 22, 2016 at 11:04am

[Other voices:] Jimmy Dore Endures While TYT Crumbles [U.S. Politics]

TYT is an internet news-service that does neither researches nor produces original news; it was mentioned on my channel many times (circa two years ago?) as a possible model for vegans to learn from, but, frankly, it has gotten worse and worse in recent years (while, at the same time, the audience’s expectations of them rise/increase). However, against all odds, Jimmy Dore seems to have found a format that suits him, and now has a news-commentary show that is better-researched than TYT proper (although, as you’ll see, it largely consists of snarky remarks on web-articles… STILL, it is informative in its way). I suppose I might now say that a group of vegans should get together and produce a show competitive with Jimmy Dore?

TYT is an internet news-service that does neither researches nor produces original news; it was mentioned on my channel many times (circa two years ago?) as a possible model for vegans to learn from, but, frankly, it has gotten worse and worse in recent years (while, at the same time, the audience’s expectations of them rise/increase). However, against all odds, Jimmy Dore seems to have found a format that suits him, and now has a news-commentary show that is better-researched than TYT proper (although, as you’ll see, it largely consists of snarky remarks on web-articles… STILL, it is informative in its way). I suppose I might now say that a group of vegans should get together and produce a show competitive with Jimmy Dore?s

Melissa Renee

I love Jimmy Dore! He put out a video recently that got a lot of comments telling him to go vegan: https://youtu.be/L0o-zlyf0Xs “Happy Cows Dancing Will Make You Think.”

Vegan AF

That was the best video I have ever seen.

Melissa Renee

If anyone is interested in the video about Cenk Uygur: https://youtu.be/nCU8gbX1Eg8 Re: “I suppose I might now say that a group of vegans should get together and produce a show competitive with Jimmy Dore?” I shotgun Eisel’s idea. I floated it to my two vegan girlfriends and one of them seems into it. I think we’ll probably conclude we’re too sketched out by the dangers that accompany a YouTube channel to actually do it, but, ya know… shotty

Dec 22, 2016 at 6:53am

Rules for Radicals: A (Negative) Book Review (on Effective Activism, etc.)

The MP3 (“podcast-version”) is [NOT]* attached, and, to be frank, this video does not make much use of the visual medium that is Youtube; however, I suppose (for some of you) this is the first glimpse you get of the interior of my apartment (I still had not unpacked, nor put up the poster, etc., when this video was recorded, but the repainting and other rennovations were (just then) complete).And here’s the link to the earlier book-review mentioned, by Sargon of Akkad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyu2iaqrC_c&t=29s

* [It is apparently impossible for me to upload the MP3 from my current location (although I was able to upload the video). Using the internet in China is full of these quiddities. If you’ve been following me on Patreon for fully six months, you’ll recall there was a period in which it was impossible for me to upload podcasts… I hope that is not (now) the case again.]

The MP3 (“podcast-version”) is [NOT]* attached, and, to be frank, this video does not make much use of the visual medium that is Youtube; however, I suppose (for some of you) this is the first glimpse you get of the interior of my apartment (I still had not unpacked, nor put up the poster, etc., when this video was recorded, but the repainting and other rennovations were (just then) complete).

And here’s the link to the earlier book-review mentioned, by Sargon of Akkad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyu2iaqrC_c&t=29s

* [It is apparently impossible for me to upload the MP3 from my current location (although I was able to upload the video). Using the internet in China is full of these quiddities. If you’ve been following me on Patreon for fully six months, you’ll recall there was a period in which it was impossible for me to upload podcasts… I hope that is not (now) the case again.]

Dec 19, 2016 at 11:57am

[Other voices:] Yet Another (Vegan) School-Drop-Out (On Youtube)

This one is a very unlikely example (a contrast to, e.g., “Glucose Network”, or Steph Yu, etc.)… however, many of the fundamental features of the pattern are the same. “A Privileged Vegan” has dropped out of her M.A. program, and she did so precisely because she wanted to spend more time on Youtube.

This one is a very unlikely example (a contrast to, e.g., “Glucose Network”, or Steph Yu, etc.)… however, many of the fundamental features of the pattern are the same. “A Privileged Vegan” has dropped out of her M.A. program, and she did so precisely because she wanted to spend more time on Youtube.9

Art.of.War

I don’t know if “dropped out” is exactly correct here. A grad student is accepted with the understanding that they’ll be working on research that matches the research area/s of profs at that university. If, as Marine did, the grad student then erratically changes their research (after beginning the program) to a completely different area that isn’t being researched in the Department, they’re simply no longer welcome in the program, as no prof is willing to supervise. The erratic and uncooperative behaviour alone would put me off supervising her, tbh – accepting a grad student means working closely with someone for 5-10 years (longer than most marriages these days ).

Eisel Mazard

That’s not the situation as she describes it: she says, simply, that she was enrolled in an M.A., and then dropped out. I do not believe that the prior (paid) research gig she mentions was part of the M.A.

The Soft Machine Podcast

I think it really matters what you drop out of school to do & what you Actually do when you drop out of school (& I Don’t think that dropping out of school to be on youtube is a valid think to do except if you are strictly an entrepreneur & were like studying business & are making money on it & you’re dropping out to basically to pursue your ‘business’)… But, I’m studying computer science & engineering now & I think if you started to build your own App or your own tech start-up & you dropped out to work at it full time because maybe someone invested in you & had your chance to really do your thing, that something like that would be OK & maybe a good idea… It really matters what kind of discipline you have when you drop out (& if you know yourself to be a self-disciplined person)… I mean, I def don’t think Anyone should drop out of school to eat fruit & have no responsibilities on a beach in Thailand or anything of the like… And, I mean, I say this as a person who dropped out of mainstream society for Many years (though I didn’t drop out of my own intellectual life & now I’m pursuing a completely new degree & career path but my life has been quite unique and anachronistic and I spent most of my 20’s battling a disease that was supposed to be terminal & being completely physically disabled & then having to spend years doing things like learning to walk again so I know I have had a life unlike most people’s so I really can’t judge what’s ‘normal’)

Eisel Mazard

Hey, I can totally sympathize: there are many (MANY!) reasons to drop out of university, including, simply, the fact that your university is garbage (A PROBLEM I HAVE HAD MANY TIMES IN CANADA!) but, as you say, being on Youtube is not a good reason, nor is eating fruit, etc. (and, as you already know, I think the delusion is more dangerous because it is misrepresented as activism, etc.).

Dec 19, 2016 at 12:35am

Dehong, the sound of birds singing downtown, in December (cinéma vérité?)

Apparently, I need a more expensive camera, because the colors of the trees, of the skies, etc., are all muted to an absurd extent in this video: the final shot of the temple (on the mountain/horizon) at 3:20 seems to just show the silhouette against a white sky, but the sky at the time was streaked with gold and blue (this is December, so the colors of the sunrise were still ongoing, fairly late in the day). The trees, also, do not seem nearly green enough in this video (compared to how they appear), etc.Pause the video at 1:32 and you can see that the street-signs use three languages (blue “box” on right right hand side, with white lettering, at the top of a red-framed advertisement-stand), 1. 德宏傣语,2. 景颇语,3. 国语。

Apparently, I need a more expensive camera, because the colors of the trees, of the skies, etc., are all muted to an absurd extent in this video: the final shot of the temple (on the mountain/horizon) at 3:20 seems to just show the silhouette against a white sky, but the sky at the time was streaked with gold and blue (this is December, so the colors of the sunrise were still ongoing, fairly late in the day). The trees, also, do not seem nearly green enough in this video (compared to how they appear), etc.Pause the video at 1:32 and you can see that the street-signs use three languages (blue “box” on right right hand side, with white lettering, at the top of a red-framed advertisement-stand), 1. 德宏傣语,2. 景颇语,3. 国语。s

Melissa Renee

Also that sounds amazing since it’s 5°F in MI right now

Eisel Mazard

I just went swimming at 9:30 PM on Dec. 19th –and I walked back from the pool to the hotel in the open air (i.e., wearing only my bathing-suit, dripping wet). This has always been one of the world’s most wonderful climates, but prior to the modern era it was inaccessible largely due to endemic disease.

Alexa

A more expensive camera might have slightly better dynamic range, but even with professional-grade digital sensors, properly exposing both the sky (during the day) and things on the ground is often impossible. The sensors currently available don’t have anywhere near the luminance range of the human eye, and to create landscape photos with differentiation in both the sky and the objects on the ground, photographers have to use techniques like HDR (digitally merging multiple different exposures of the same image), or deliberately underexposing the objects on the ground and then pulling detail out of RAW files. tl;dr: The sky would probably still look white in video you took with a more expensive camera, unless you exposed for the sky specifically, in which case the trees and the objects on the ground would be black silhouettes. (That’s why, with a camera trying to reach a “happy medium” automatically, you’re already seeing less color and detail in the trees.)

Eisel Mazard

I resign myself to the inevitable, but it’s a peculiar challenge to try to show what is so beautiful about this place –culturally or otherwise.

Dec 17, 2016 at 8:50am

Arrived, haven’t yet unpacked, update.

I have arrived in Dehong, and commenced rennovations on the apartment immediately.A number of things were hilariously wrong with the apartment: at first, there was a little bit of hesitancy on the part of my boss, as he could make the reasonable point that “none of the other English teachers mentioned it / ever complained”, however, empirical methods soon won the day, as I deomonstrated, e.g., that using the kitchen sink resulted in the contraption collapsing, and then releasing a geyser of water, gushing upward into the air, and then downward in all directions. This malfunction is so absurd that it really looks like something from a silent-film-era slapstick comedy, and I laughed out loud the first three or four times it happend (but not the tenth, alas).

There are many other problems, and I offered to pay for all of them. The university will, in fact, pay for the most important (and expensive) renovation, the repainting of every single wall.

As I showed the other broken elements (e.g., the shower doesn’t work, the hot water doesn’t plug in, no drain-covers, two windows crucially lacking mosquito netting), my boss’s attitude gradually shifted from one of surprise that I was requsting renovations to one of astonishment that none of the other English teachers had ever made the slightest effort to improve the property (I will be here for at least 12 months! How could I possibly live without a working kitchen-sink or shower-head?).

In terms of the fundamentals, however, it is an extremely large apartment (ENORMOUS, with high ceilings, too), of solid concrete construction (“made to last”, like everything done by a communist bureau) in a beautiful setting, and at 8:00 AM this morning, the sound of birds singing was tremendous, though the birds themselves were largely invisible, as the palm trees are so high above the ground (you can sometimes glimpse the shadow of a bird, moving between the palms).

I told my boss that I would endeavor to make the apartment good enough for my daughter to visit me here (but, of course, until the next phase of the divorce-case, we don’t know if/when this might happen). At any rate, there are several redundant bedrooms, so SOMEONE should be able to visit me here.

I have arrived in Dehong, and commenced rennovations on the apartment immediately.A number of things were hilariously wrong with the apartment: at first, there was a little bit of hesitancy on the part of my boss, as he could make the reasonable point that “none of the other English teachers mentioned it / ever complained”, however, empirical methods soon won the day, as I deomonstrated, e.g., that using the kitchen sink resulted in the contraption collapsing, and then releasing a geyser of water, gushing upward into the air, and then downward in all directions. This malfunction is so absurd that it really looks like something from a silent-film-era slapstick comedy, and I laughed out loud the first three or four times it happend (but not the tenth, alas).

There are many other problems, and I offered to pay for all of them. The university will, in fact, pay for the most important (and expensive) renovation, the repainting of every single wall.

As I showed the other broken elements (e.g., the shower doesn’t work, the hot water doesn’t plug in, no drain-covers, two windows crucially lacking mosquito netting), my boss’s attitude gradually shifted from one of surprise that I was requsting renovations to one of astonishment that none of the other English teachers had ever made the slightest effort to improve the property (I will be here for at least 12 months! How could I possibly live without a working kitchen-sink or shower-head?).

In terms of the fundamentals, however, it is an extremely large apartment (ENORMOUS, with high ceilings, too), of solid concrete construction (“made to last”, like everything done by a communist bureau) in a beautiful setting, and at 8:00 AM this morning, the sound of birds singing was tremendous, though the birds themselves were largely invisible, as the palm trees are so high above the ground (you can sometimes glimpse the shadow of a bird, moving between the palms).

I told my boss that I would endeavor to make the apartment good enough for my daughter to visit me here (but, of course, until the next phase of the divorce-case, we don’t know if/when this might happen). At any rate, there are several redundant bedrooms, so SOMEONE should be able to visit me here.s

Genevieve Jackson

I hope Malka can visit, and be in a video. Holding a coffee tray, or fanning you. Stuff that a harem member would do. Hahaha.

Melissa Renee

Dude, in my dream last night I was watching a video of you (that’s what happens when you don’t put out a video for a day apparently, I start dreaming them?) and your video was a cooking show and you were preparing a PIGEON. You were like, “They’re everywhere around here and this one was dead when I found it, so it’s still vegan.” And you went on to say how vegans should do this more often for road kill and stuff to get b12 and protein. So… Aaah yup, thanks brain! Glad to hear you arrived safely at your new place, though it’s in shambles

Eisel Mazard

It’s a beautiful dream… …but we’ll see how possible (or impossible) uploading to youtube may be, once I’m settled in the apartment. Currently, I can use “the real” internet at this hotel, but it’s completely impossible in my apartment (on campus, at the university), and I haven’t found anywhere OTHER THAN this hotel with “real internet”, to be blunt but vague.

Dec 15, 2016 at 5:25pm

Dating Chinese Women, Dating Meat Eaters, Dating Vegans.

WORST ADVICE EVER?s

Jessica

2 weeks to unlearn a lifetime of habits? Nahhh… Still don’t see it. If true, you really do need to write an ebook (not even joking).

Eisel Mazard

Orgasms can really motivate people to change their lives. It’s pretty easy to find examples of orgasms motivating people to change their lives FOR THE WORSE, but once in a while it is for the better.

Vegan AF

If you just want to change your partner’s behavior and don’t care if they really believe in veganism, then they’ll end up resenting you. I speak from experience.

Eisel Mazard

I don’t think anyone is _*just*_ seeking a change in behavior; the comment is made in rebuttal to the statement that you can’t change someone’s mind.

Dec 15, 2016 at 1:06pm

Anti-Minimalist Autobiography (a Mid-Moving Memoir)

I own over 200 kg of “stuff”, but things beyond my control have made me repeatedly “part ways” with the things I cared about the most, ya done know.s

Malka

Condoms: size matters ! LOL

Malka

She is so cute!!

Eisel Mazard

Even people who find me hideous must admit: I have cute D.N.A.

Dec 15, 2016 at 2:10am

Permanent Vacation 2: Vegans Drop Out of School for Social Media “Activism”.

This is the final recording made in “the old” room in Kunming! The end of an era: those who watched it being recorded live got to see me roll up the poster (taking it off of the wall).The MP3 version is attached, and, yes, this is one hour solid with no edits (just me talking to the camera), so you can pretty easily consume this one as a podcast.

And now, finally… I’m on the road.

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Fame is fleeting: the objectives of veganism ARE NOT. Micro-fame is one thing, and the movement is another; but one manages to massively distort the other.

This video is (perhaps?) the sequel to, “Don’t Drop Out of University (to move to Thailand… because you’re vegan)”, a video still worth seeing, here: https://youtu.be/G2umtvqBEnM

This is the final recording made in “the old” room in Kunming! The end of an era: those who watched it being recorded live got to see me roll up the poster (taking it off of the wall).The MP3 version is attached, and, yes, this is one hour solid with no edits (just me talking to the camera), so you can pretty easily consume this one as a podcast.

And now, finally… I’m on the road.

———-

Fame is fleeting: the objectives of veganism ARE NOT. Micro-fame is one thing, and the movement is another; but one manages to massively distort the other.

This video is (perhaps?) the sequel to, “Don’t Drop Out of University (to move to Thailand… because you’re vegan)”, a video still worth seeing, here: https://youtu.be/G2umtvqBEnM

Permanent Vacation 2, Vegans Drop Out of School for Social Media Activism.mp3s

Brendan Cross

Henya mania got a degree in Japanese or Asian Studies http://henyamania.com/asian-studies-ba-degree-sayounara/

Eisel Mazard

Man… that is so fucking strange… I was learning Japanese during the (brief) period in which she and I were speaking… I guess I’m resigned to the fact that she’s “just crazy”, because she and I have so much in common (obviously) and it’s a shame that would couldn’t be friends (at least to some limited extent).

Alexa

Yeah, professional modeling — even for “real,” relatively successful models — is a short-term gig. I have a cousin who was scouted when she was ~15 and modeled successfully (as in: moved to NYC when she was 18 and supported herself financially through modeling) through her early 20s. Which is really what 99.9% of models can aspire to: by 25-26, your career is basically over. Maybe you can still make part-time money doing catalog and commercial work, if modeling is something you love and want to keep doing, but it is not a long-term “career” for more than a few hundred women in the entire world. (Also, it should go without saying, but: my cousin is a person objectively good-looking enough to have been recruited by someone whose job is to find potential models in the wild. She didn’t drop out of anything to do it, and it was not a job she pursued. There aren’t that many people with the potential to be successful models, and for those with the potential, it’s rarely something they need to “try” at. The criteria for entry is both effortless and extremely exclusive.) And it’s a bummer how narrowly the RT4 clique has defined an “acceptable” vegan lifestyle, because really, there are lots of opportunities for young people to travel within school systems. In the U.S. — I don’t know if Positively Vegan is American, but if she’s Canadian, I’m sure these opportunities exist in Canada too — there are chances in high school all the way through college to study abroad. If you want to travel, you can live overseas WHILE completing high school. Drop-outs aren’t the only people who travel. But of course, if you even dare to occasionally uber instead of bike everywhere while abroad, Durianrider will call you names. I assume going to school would be considered even less of a “real vegan” activity. And despite the fact that no one really gives a shit about DR himself anymore, the influence of his ideals remains pervasive.

Dec 14, 2016 at 1:20am

Social media is not an alternative path to social change, it’s just a way to talk about social change.

“Postiviely Vegan” is young, female vegan on Youtube, who both talks about her aspirations to make a difference through the movement, and talks about her frustration in not being able to live out the sort of images she sees presented on social media (and, I think, the temptation to drop out of school is part of what she’s discussing). Here’s the link to her channel, and my response to her recent video (as an image). Although social media is a career for some, ultimately, social media is not an alternative path to social change, it’s just a way to talk about social change. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX66NlgAnUFaxmOUh-f3w-g/videos

“Postiviely Vegan” is young, female vegan on Youtube, who both talks about her aspirations to make a difference through the movement, and talks about her frustration in not being able to live out the sort of images she sees presented on social media (and, I think, the temptation to drop out of school is part of what she’s discussing). Here’s the link to her channel, and my response to her recent video (as an image). Although social media is a career for some, ultimately, social media is not an alternative path to social change, it’s just a way to talk about social change. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX66NlgAnUFaxmOUh-f3w-g/videoss

Melissa Renee

That’s a perfect response I don’t see it under the video for some reason, but I hope she sees it!

Eisel Mazard

Maybe she deleted it.

Dec 13, 2016 at 3:50pm

The Podcast of a Thousand Facepalms.

If you can live without the seeing the facepalms for yourself, please find, attached to this posting, the podcast version (MP3 file, audio only) of my most recent “contribution” to the demimonde: “Ted Carr is the Worst Human Being on Earth”, a.k.a., “Ambition is Morality; Morality without Ambition is Meaningless.”My favorite is the one in the bottom-left. I could make a Christmas card out of that… if I wasn’t a nihilistic atheist. No, wait… maybe it’s an even better Christmas card, because I’m a nihilistic atheist.

If you can live without the seeing the facepalms for yourself, please find, attached to this posting, the podcast version (MP3 file, audio only) of my most recent “contribution” to the demimonde: “Ted Carr is the Worst Human Being on Earth”, a.k.a., “Ambition is Morality; Morality without Ambition is Meaningless.”My favorite is the one in the bottom-left. I could make a Christmas card out of that… if I wasn’t a nihilistic atheist. No, wait… maybe it’s an even better Christmas card, because I’m a nihilistic atheist.

Ambition is Morality, Morality without Ambition is Meaningless (and Ted Carr).mp3 of 5

Malka

In a sense I don’t mind this kind of psychology. Many people indeed focuses on things that can’t be fixed or not quickly and live in a constant guilt trip. Of course not everyone can afford to solve an issue of laziness he mentioned with a maid.

Genevieve Jackson

You look good doing the facepalm.

Dec 13, 2016 at 3:30pm

Ambition is Morality; Morality without Ambition is Meaningless.

a.k.a. Ted Carr is the Worst Human Being on Earth.

Yes, I said I wasn’t going to upload anything more (to Youtube) until I was done with packing/relocating to Dehong… BUT THIS COULD NOT BE DELAYED ANY LONGER.** [Said with a sense of self-mockery.]s

Malka

Eisel, you can’t be a moralist and a nihilist at the same time.

Art.of.War

The brain matures at a faster pace until around age 25, esp. the prefrontal cortex (which controls complex executive functioning, planning, logic, organising, the “manager”), but it actually continues to mature even into one’s thirties (although more slowly). So there’s hope for Ted yet!

Genevieve Jackson

This is good to know. At 25 I was an idiot. Ted is at least better than I was at that age. I was in a really bad stage at 25. If I could go back in time I would have done many things differently. I ran out of money to continue art school, I was terrified of loans and wasn’t great with computers. At that time to sift through all the bureaucracy of that stuff one had to be good for with technology. Many people gave me bad advice. At the time my health wasn’t great, and I guess going back to school and being around paint fumes( which made me have awful asthma) didn’t seem compelling enough. Should have pursued something more sensible I suppose. When you are sick life is overwhelming.

Dec 13, 2016 at 7:40am

The Myth of Vegan Judaism; the Myth of Christopher Columbus.

I assume this will eventually be shared on Youtube (and it will not be a patreon-exclusive), HOWEVER, I’m not planning to post anything to Youtube while I’m travelling around (for a few weeks), as aforementioned (so this may be exclusive to Patreon for some time).

The Myth of Vegan Judaism, the Myth of Christopher Columbus.mp33

Pete McHugh

I think there is a difference between the two examples you laid out here, at least while there is still a supernatural belief in scripture as the word of God. An American nationalist can accept that Columbus was not a hero no matter how much they want to believe that the United States is the greatest country that ever was, even if there is this particular black spot in the history of their formation it doesn’t fundamentally challenge their entire history or world view.

Pete McHugh

Didn’t realise I could not put paragraphs. Continued: If scripture is the word of God and where we derive our morality from, as some believe, veganism seems to be a fundamental challenge to this religion just through omission alone. As tempted as I am to “keep it real” I think there could an issue in helping those who have supernatural beliefs to see veganism positively, not just in potentially suitors but in the community around them. If religious leaders in a country like Pakistan got the idea that veganism is a fundamental challenge to Islam it could cause an existential crises for veganism in that part of the world (if it exists?). In the end I think I would just leave the religious angle to them, sure their position is nonsense in real terms but their fundamental belief in reality is also nonsense. I think it has been a good thing for the world that most Christians have abandoned the teachings of the bible, while it would be preferable that they came to a more fundamentally correct view of the world I think that is a much harder argument to win.

VEGAN cyclist wannabe

“Most christians have abandoned the teachings of the Bible”… really?! Stubborn intellectualism…

Dec 13, 2016 at 1:53am

Divorce Legal Progress / Winter Lookbook

Looks like I could have progress in my divorce case in February (2017)… much earlier than I’d been expecting (based on earlier statements from my lawyer). I have no idea how much progress is possible at a single court-hearing, but (1) I assume I will be able to prove that I’m alive (not dead), and therefore (2) I’ll regain the right to have scheduled visits with my daughter (these may be only a few days per year, or could be several months per year). They’ll probably also (3) adjust my support-payments to reflect my income, as it was previously set arbitrarily, on the assumption that I was dead (insert joke / eye-rolling). And, yeah, in terms of my winter lookbook, you can definitely get away with a puma jacket being worn under a formal, Chinese 中山衣服。

Looks like I could have progress in my divorce case in February (2017)… much earlier than I’d been expecting (based on earlier statements from my lawyer). I have no idea how much progress is possible at a single court-hearing, but (1) I assume I will be able to prove that I’m alive (not dead), and therefore (2) I’ll regain the right to have scheduled visits with my daughter (these may be only a few days per year, or could be several months per year). They’ll probably also (3) adjust my support-payments to reflect my income, as it was previously set arbitrarily, on the assumption that I was dead (insert joke / eye-rolling). And, yeah, in terms of my winter lookbook, you can definitely get away with a puma jacket being worn under a formal, Chinese 中山衣服。

Genevieve Jackson

Soon you will be free to tend to the harem. I hope you get several months of visitation. It’s a crime you’ve been separated so long.

Eisel Mazard

In some ways, the timing is awkward: if she visit me in China (without her mother or grandmother) I may have to hire a nanny (quite possibly yourself, G.) to live in the apartment and take care of her while I’m at work. If you want the world’s strangest vacation as my (vegan) live-in nanny, during my daughter’s visit, let me know. (It’s a bit early to start accepting applications, but hey… we’re brainstorming here.) Fringe benefits include all-you-can-eat mangoes, jackfruit, dragonfruit, etc.

Maddalena

Great news! Let me know if the hearing will be in Nice!

Eisel Mazard

I didn’t even think of that: the geography of _where_ the hearing would be is something I didn’t even imagine. Quite possibly in Nice.

Dec 12, 2016 at 1:48pm

Veganism: this ain’t for you, this ain’t about you, your issues ain’t the center of the world.

This video is “temporarily patreon-exclusive”… I plan to upload nothing to Youtube for a while (as I’m going to be moving from hotel to hotel, etc.), but this will EVENTUALLY be shared with the public-at-large.And, yes, it’s available as an MP3 (“podcast version”) attached, the only problem being that at one point I say “this much” while making a hand gesture suggesting a very small quantity.

This video is “temporarily patreon-exclusive”… I plan to upload nothing to Youtube for a while (as I’m going to be moving from hotel to hotel, etc.), but this will EVENTUALLY be shared with the public-at-large.And, yes, it’s available as an MP3 (“podcast version”) attached, the only problem being that at one point I say “this much” while making a hand gesture suggesting a very small quantity.

Veganism, this ain’t for you, this ain’t about you, your issues ain’t the center of the world.mp3s

Nicholas Brennan

As an extremely inexperienced vegan who has never thought about activism before and has never had a cause so important to me as veganism is, these videos help. Without something to get me thinking about what I can do and getting me in the right mindset I would have given up by now

Dec 12, 2016 at 5:40am

My “Vegan Manifesto” is in Nine Languages

For me, this falls into the category of, “Well, if I never accomplish anything else in Veganism, at least I accomplished this”. And no, this accomplishment did not make the news –not even the Plant Based News (apparently, this is the first time Klaus saw the video!), but, for me, it is one very palpable outcome that this Patreon page has already made possible.As you guys know, we’re now into six months of litigation in Thailand, and I have no reason for reckless optimism on the case having a positive outcome. This kind of collaboration, at least, in its small way, does have some positive outcomes (and I’d like to imagine that the same would be true of publishing the storybook, that you’ve all heard me say so much about, etc.).

Ah, yes, and the inappropriate photograph is a view of a mountain-valley in Dehong (not too far from where I’ll be living, in the capital city of Dehong province (technically, “Dehong special zone”… makes it sound more like the bonus-stage of a 1980s video-game)).

For me, this falls into the category of, “Well, if I never accomplish anything else in Veganism, at least I accomplished this”. And no, this accomplishment did not make the news –not even the Plant Based News (apparently, this is the first time Klaus saw the video!), but, for me, it is one very palpable outcome that this Patreon page has already made possible.As you guys know, we’re now into six months of litigation in Thailand, and I have no reason for reckless optimism on the case having a positive outcome. This kind of collaboration, at least, in its small way, does have some positive outcomes (and I’d like to imagine that the same would be true of publishing the storybook, that you’ve all heard me say so much about, etc.).

Ah, yes, and the inappropriate photograph is a view of a mountain-valley in Dehong (not too far from where I’ll be living, in the capital city of Dehong province (technically, “Dehong special zone”… makes it sound more like the bonus-stage of a 1980s video-game)).

NotKurtis

I have a workmate who I’d been encouraging towards veganism for months, I showed him this video a few weeks ago because he essentially said he didn’t “get” where it was all headed, despite being what you might call “95% vegan”. He texted me shortly after to apologise for not getting it before, to thank me for the video, and to advise that he would stop fucking around and was now 100% dedicated to being vegan. So… positive step in the right direction?

Eisel Mazard

Wow, man. That is (really) positive feedback of the most meaningful kind.

Malka

Would you like it in Hungarian as well?

Dec 10, 2016 at 11:56am

[On Community:] O skupnosti: politika veganstva. [A Vegan Manifesto.]

Posting this now, also, is in a sense, “just in case I never get to post anything to youtube again”.

Art.of.War

A vegan YouTube community is better than nothing, although I’d like a real community too. My family were vegetarian starting in the 1950’s, and then later vegan – it was a socially isolating and punishingly insular experience for us as kids, and for my parents (I wasn’t allowed to go to other kids’ houses, etc.). It would have made a world of difference if we had had access to a vegan YouTube community back then, lol.

Malka

Do you mind me asking if your family was a 7 day Adventist?

Mike On Raw

I sometimes wonder if we don’t see more consideration for community building because most vegans feel there is already such a thing. They aim low, and see PETA as their thing.

Eisel Mazard

When this video was first published, there was some angry backlash from people claiming that the vegan community already existed… hilariously, they pointed to (e.g.) how youtubers had supported Vegan Cheetah when he got out of jail/rehab, and other purely-digital examples. Nobody seems to react in this way currently (I don’t know if this is because other videos have made my point clearer, or if the collapse of Durianrider-and-Freelee made people reconsider what “community” really means).

Dec 10, 2016 at 5:01am

ASOIAF Political Realism and Revenge (“Game of Thrones”)

Although I think that 99% of my supporters on Patreon are interested in veganism (and not “A Song of Ice and Fire”), a few of you may want to see this posted here so that you can download the podcast version (MP3 attached), or so that you can post comments that you can be sure I’ll see myself (I do read every comment/message posted within Patreon).

Although I think that 99% of my supporters on Patreon are interested in veganism (and not “A Song of Ice and Fire”), a few of you may want to see this posted here so that you can download the podcast version (MP3 attached), or so that you can post comments that you can be sure I’ll see myself (I do read every comment/message posted within Patreon).

ASOIAF Political Realism and Revenge (plus Trump vs. the Boiled Leather podcast).mp3

ModVegan

Kurt Vonnegut said “we are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” Having had two actors as parents, I can definitely say this is true I hope you read “The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life” (Erving Goffman) at some point in your life. One of my favorite books ever, and a lot better than Will Tuttle .

Dec 9, 2016 at 1:59pm

[Other voices:] Meanwhile… Like it or not, the combination of Veganism + Monotheism + Ethnic Nationalism… is happening.

I think there is a significant difference between (e.g.) recognizing that Buddhism IS NOT VEGAN but may provide a basis for veganism, and (e.g.) an attempt to misrepresent the history of Buddhism as if it always had been vegan, or as if veganism were implicitly Buddhist, or (vice-versa) as if Buddhism were implicitly vegan. The situation for Judiasm (in appropriating veganism, basically) is really fraught with a much greater level of difficulty. However, there does seem to be tremendous enthusiasm (at least within Israel?) for reinventing both Judaism and Veganism… to… uh… pretend that they’ve got some kind of profound connection. They don’t. It’s bullshit. All of it. It is ALL bullshit. And, paradoxically, it seems to be atheistic Jews who are the most enthusiastic for this argument (perhaps because true-believing monotheists are less likely to take such a “liberal” attitude toward reinterpreting the text, tradition and ethics of the religion). But don’t take my word for it, here’s the link:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRTd2SR1RcXWnnHn6gQ93Ag/videos

I think there is a significant difference between (e.g.) recognizing that Buddhism IS NOT VEGAN but may provide a basis for veganism, and (e.g.) an attempt to misrepresent the history of Buddhism as if it always had been vegan, or as if veganism were implicitly Buddhist, or (vice-versa) as if Buddhism were implicitly vegan. The situation for Judiasm (in appropriating veganism, basically) is really fraught with a much greater level of difficulty. However, there does seem to be tremendous enthusiasm (at least within Israel?) for reinventing both Judaism and Veganism… to… uh… pretend that they’ve got some kind of profound connection. They don’t. It’s bullshit. All of it. It is ALL bullshit. And, paradoxically, it seems to be atheistic Jews who are the most enthusiastic for this argument (perhaps because true-believing monotheists are less likely to take such a “liberal” attitude toward reinterpreting the text, tradition and ethics of the religion). But don’t take my word for it, here’s the link:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRTd2SR1RcXWnnHn6gQ93Ag/videos

Malka

I think veganism should be free from any religious or personal agenda I mean I get it blacks and salvery and animal liberation, yet.. If they want to fight for their believes no need to do it in the name of veganism to make it more palatable or moral. Same with any religion who uses certain dietary laws to become or to be viewed as more spiritual.

Genevieve Jackson

This inspires me to a vegan brisket. This is a Pittsburgh organization, and no I’ve never met any of them yet.

Dec 9, 2016 at 12:22pm

[Other voices:] The Vegan Neuropsychologist (New/Unknown on Youtube)

To quote my own comment below her video, “Re: Cheetah, anyone who thinks that the way to promote veganism is by selling out the fundamental principles of veganism is a moron –and, yes, he’s a moron.”

Malka

She is right. It’s a pity she stopped at the dietary aspects of veganism and didn’t talk about other related issues. As great she is she won’t win the vegan popularity contest.

Malka

In the other hand society has redefined words like “marriage” for instance for the sake of a very small percentage of the population. As much as I sympathize with this girl I’m not entirely sold on her rigidity neither.

Dec 9, 2016 at 7:45am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Socratic Method is Dead; Don’t Dehumanize Your Opponents.

THIS IS NOT A BOOK REVIEW. ;-)MP3 version attached (ca. 18 minutes long), the choice is yours.

Socratic Method is Dead, Don’t Dehumanize Your Opponents (not a book review, David Nibert).mp3

Blair Gilbreath

I didn’t get the impression that Nibert was comparing individuals to Genghis Khan. I read that part as making an analogy between the practices of industries that we accept as civilized, and those of historical figures we view as barbaric. e.g., fish trawling isn’t the practice of feudal warlords, but it’s still massively destructive. (Also, I think it’s fair to say that Nibert does NOT view the situation of other animals or humans as being better in pre-capitalist times… when he does talk at length about Genghis Khan, for instance, it’s to point out the horrors inflicted on the world by nomadic pastoralism.) Anyway, glad you tried it, and I still think it’s worth reading beyond the excerpt… it sounds like the book suffers from some tone-deafness in its rhetoric, though.

Blair Gilbreath

Re: exploitation. I first started to think about veganism along political lines after reading the blog The Vegan Ideal. Among other things, it talks about veganism as non-exploitation. http://veganideal.mayfirst.org/content/moving-abstraction-veganism-advocating-alternatives-exploitation-not-alternative-exploitatio

Eisel Mazard

I grew up hearing left-wing people misuse the word “exploitation”. Really understanding the meaning of the word was hard. As with vegans making excuses for pet-ownership, very often, “It’s exploitation when THEY do it, but not when WE do it,” etc.

Dec 8, 2016 at 2:42pm

Vegan Youtube “Activism”: the Politics of Performance, the Future of an Illusion.

The mask becomes the face.———-

This whole broadcast has the slightly-anguished air of, “I’m recording this in case it’s the last video I ever do”.

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This is a long video, so you may, indeed, wish to avail yourself of the MP3 version attached, but then you’d miss out on the hand-gestures, I suppose.

The mask becomes the face.———-

This whole broadcast has the slightly-anguished air of, “I’m recording this in case it’s the last video I ever do”.

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This is a long video, so you may, indeed, wish to avail yourself of the MP3 version attached, but then you’d miss out on the hand-gestures, I suppose.

Vegan Youtube Activism, the Politics of Performance, the Future of an Illusion.mp3

Vonk Channel

I still question myself everytime I’m about to do a video and wonder if it may have any impact whatsoever. I know I only reach Vegans and I don’t make people change to Veganism (I never did, not once), but I like to think that I give tools to other so they can push forward the concept. To me, the majority of Vegan Youtubers are more providing a moral support to others than creating a real change. But some people became Vegan watching Vegan Gains or Sorsha, so activism or not, it may be efficient sometimes.

Jacqueline Cohen

In the small amount of Sorcha’s content I’ve watched, it was obvious to me that her behavior is an exaggeration. This was long before the pewdiepie thing. When I saw unnatural vegan’s response to it (who I am a fan of), I had a similar reaction to yours, because it was so clear to me Sorcha’s exaggerations.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah. I assume you’ve already heard my critique of U.V. on this score: part of the problem, from my perspective, is the failure to address (i.e., criticize) real extremism within the movement, while, at the same time, (inappropriately) reproaching someone like Sorsha for being an extremist.

Dec 8, 2016 at 9:42am

Youtube: the Mask Becomes the Face.

I had Batman in mind (this morning) for a peculiar reason: a vegan on Younow (whom I don’t know) remarked to Mojo that he imagined I’d be perfect as an actor portraying Bruce Wayne. I could see (from his expression, etc.) that he had some particular reason for imagining it (perhaps he was thinking of my angrier moments on Youtube?). A very strange compliment, and one that indirectly led to this commentary (in the image above).

I had Batman in mind (this morning) for a peculiar reason: a vegan on Younow (whom I don’t know) remarked to Mojo that he imagined I’d be perfect as an actor portraying Bruce Wayne. I could see (from his expression, etc.) that he had some particular reason for imagining it (perhaps he was thinking of my angrier moments on Youtube?). A very strange compliment, and one that indirectly led to this commentary (in the image above).

Vonk Channel

Don’t downgrade yourself from a sex god to a psycho who pretends to be a millionaire.

Seth Meyers

seems like a really amazing and unique corner of China… one of those minority majority provinces (like 50/50 ethnic han vs some tribal versions of Burmese. I assume you are going there for a teaching gig ? It sounds like you’re somewhat anxious but I bet you’re gonna love it, and I bet the people will be great. Good luck….

Dec 7, 2016 at 1:04pm

Cutest Comment of 2016 (the award goes to…)

Vonk Channel

I sense a conflict of interest here…

NotKurtis

Burn it all down, even the intellectual sex gods are corrupt

Malka

Man that sneaky bitch I won’t let this happen again

Eisel Mazard

Dec 7, 2016 at 12:53pm

Stop Treating Women Like Infants: Wengie is 30, Ivanka Trump is 35.

You may want to avail yourself of the podcast version (attached as MP3) so you can get something productive done while listening to this one: this vieo is 34 minutes long (and angry most of the time, although occasionally hilarious).

Stop Treating Women Like Infants, Wengie and Ivanka Trump.mp3

Jacqueline Cohen

I really appreciate this video. I’m a self-descried feminist, I’ve noticed a trend online (by “tumblr” types), usually by younger feminists, of avoiding critiquing anything women do. When women do stupid or fucked up shit we shouldn’t be held to a lower standard. Do they even realizing how condescending that attitude is?

Augusto Guerrero

Why is there. a picture of dr. Greger there?

Eisel Mazard

Listen to the video/podcast: Dr. Greger is in the mix.

Dec 7, 2016 at 1:25am

Suitcase packed, now on the road, etc.

In the next few months, honestly, I think the quantity I’ll be uploading will INCREASE (not decrease). I’ve got a few months in Yunnan coming up, 100% unemployed (I’ll neither be a student nor a teacher) before the start of my new job… and I will be 110% alone. The type of isolation I’ll be enduring in Dehong (at least at the start) will be extreme. Nobody there speaks English, and nobody there is going to be talking to me. I’m not complaining, I’m just letting you know: it’s likely that my “engagement” with Patreon and Youtube will increase… HOWEVER, just at this moment, I’ve packed up my suitcase, and I’m hitting the road. Maybe you guys will get some interesting footage of various parts of Yunnan in the weeks ahead (and, yes, while I’m on the road, I’ll be off the internet).

In the next few months, honestly, I think the quantity I’ll be uploading will INCREASE (not decrease). I’ve got a few months in Yunnan coming up, 100% unemployed (I’ll neither be a student nor a teacher) before the start of my new job… and I will be 110% alone. The type of isolation I’ll be enduring in Dehong (at least at the start) will be extreme. Nobody there speaks English, and nobody there is going to be talking to me. I’m not complaining, I’m just letting you know: it’s likely that my “engagement” with Patreon and Youtube will increase… HOWEVER, just at this moment, I’ve packed up my suitcase, and I’m hitting the road. Maybe you guys will get some interesting footage of various parts of Yunnan in the weeks ahead (and, yes, while I’m on the road, I’ll be off the internet).

NotKurtis

The picture would really be completed for me if you had a rusty old motorcycle for the visceral vegan journey across China, or maybe a walking cane for the slow, painful struggle towards enlightenment.

Alexa

Are you couchsurfing while you’re traveling?

Eisel Mazard

(@Alexa) No, I’ll be living like a business traveller without any business. I won’t hear a single word of human kindness for months. Uh… of course, prior to moving to China, I ALSO did not hear a single word of human kindness for many months. Just saying.

Dec 6, 2016 at 2:35pm

[One minute long:] Wengie’s face is… fake… apparently.

This is really just a simple follow-up video, because I did find myself wondering “what is the deal?” with Wengie’s face. This video is actually somewhat sweet and flattering in its tone: it was made by a sincere fan of Wengie’s pointing out that she’s had extensive plastic surgery, and should not lie about it. Interesting. I tried to force myself to watch one of Wengie’s earlier videos on her weight-loss secrets (I failed) and I can also say that the tone, pacing and “degree-of-fakeness” of her videos has changed dramatically during the last 12 months or so. It is what it is.

This is really just a simple follow-up video, because I did find myself wondering “what is the deal?” with Wengie’s face. This video is actually somewhat sweet and flattering in its tone: it was made by a sincere fan of Wengie’s pointing out that she’s had extensive plastic surgery, and should not lie about it. Interesting. I tried to force myself to watch one of Wengie’s earlier videos on her weight-loss secrets (I failed) and I can also say that the tone, pacing and “degree-of-fakeness” of her videos has changed dramatically during the last 12 months or so. It is what it is.

Dec 6, 2016 at 1:55pm

[Other Voices:] Veganism Remains Ineluctably Political (A Brazilian Perspective).

I’ve promoted this channel (now called “Vegan Positivity”) more than once within this Patreon. You might not recognize her here, as she’s having a serious “sit-down conversation” with the viewer (in contrast to her regular format).

Dec 6, 2016 at 1:39pm

[Other voices:] Blaire White is Vegan, with a Vegan Tattoo.

This video has nothing to do with veganism, but on the left side of the screen you can see that B.W. has a vegan tattoo (repeatedly). This seems to be an interesting example of a vegans with a youtube channel, not even mentioning veganism.

Nick Knowles

yea, I remember seeing her have vegan ice cream on her instagram a while back. That girl hits all the marks for a partner for me, libertarian, atheist, vegan. The trans thing is just a bonus

Melissa Renee

Wow, I’d never heard of this YouTuber before and this video piqued my interest, so I watched more of her content. I of course care about women’s rights, but I take issue with feminism as it is today, so I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find myself nodding my head in agreement with a lot of the stuff she said. Another (vegan) YouTuber Zoe Does Life just came out with a video today that I really liked: https://youtu.be/kQQzcZGZIiM “Male Privilege is NOT real.” I wish Blair would say something about her vegan tattoo. I’m curious if she doesn’t for some of the same reasons why she doesn’t identify as a feminist: many of the people involved in the movement give it a bad name. I see some parallels between your channel and hers because, though she clearly cares about gender equality and you clearly care about veganism, you both criticize people in the respective “movements.” You, however, consider yourself a vegan, while she considers herself an anti-feminist. I thought of this before when I watched Vegan Gains video about why he isn’t a feminist (a video which I also agreed with in its critique of modern feminism, I can’t seem to find it now, but he does have others critiquing feminism) and my response to that was: “Well, yeah, people in the third wave feminist movement are dumb. That doesn’t mean you should refuse to identify as a feminist, just like the fact that people in the vegan movement are dumb doesn’t mean you should refuse to identify as a vegan.” Anyway, I know you don’t make content to please your audience but I really liked hearing about your view on feminism in the more recent video and the one about a month or so ago that was a Patreon exclusive, I believe, and I’d appreciate hearing more of your thoughts on this topic.

Eisel Mazard

It is definitely possible that my views on Neo-First-Wave-Feminism (for lack of a better term?) will appear again… but it’s also possible that you’re going to have a bunch of broken-hearted videos about how terrible my next gf is, instead! I think it would actually be hilarious if my channel started to have videos with TWO people sitting in front of the camera for a change.

Dec 6, 2016 at 12:32pm

Weight Loss with Wengie! Lies, Lies, Lies!

It has been a long time since I tangled with a diet guru this way, but this is the way that many (most?) of my viewers discovered this channel in the first place (and NOT my critiques of Noam Chomsky, etc.). After I finished this video, it was strange for me to reflect on how different it was from the (well-known) approach of Vegan Gains. I don’t use any scientific studies… and in some ways I’m more cruel, in some ways more kind.

It has been a long time since I tangled with a diet guru this way, but this is the way that many (most?) of my viewers discovered this channel in the first place (and NOT my critiques of Noam Chomsky, etc.). After I finished this video, it was strange for me to reflect on how different it was from the (well-known) approach of Vegan Gains. I don’t use any scientific studies… and in some ways I’m more cruel, in some ways more kind.

ModVegan

So true! The human race would be wiped out if water promoted weight-loss. I keep hearing this garbage spouted by people like Tim Ferriss (the idea that you should take cold baths or not wear a jacket to burn calories or some sort of nonsense). It’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. I’d much rather go for a run, for pity’s sake. And the lemon juice thing is everywhere. I keep hearing businesspeople talk about how they drink lemon juice and water in the morning for their “digestion.” It seems people will do ANYTHING to avoid exercise and eating well.

Eisel Mazard

It is also hilarious to me that they basically dilute the lemon-juice (and add sugar, etc.) into a type of soda pop. At some point, lemon juice just becomes lemonade, and it becomes difficult to justify how this is more “medicinal” than orange juice or even sprite. Hey, long story short, the internet made scientific information more readily available, BUT NOT more easily verifiable.

Nicholas Brennan

I miss you guys soo much

Dec 6, 2016 at 3:49am

[Other voices:] Pandering or Self-Parody?

À-bas-le-ciel broadcasting corporation does not in any way endorse the fan club created by Malka, and neither oversees nor takes responsibility for any of the content therein. However, this seems to be an amusing twist on the usual Patreon formula, obviously coming pretty close to satire (if not self-parody). Of course, Malka is a member of this group, so she can tell me if I’m wrong (i.e., she can tell me if I should, instead, regard this as serious business!).

À-bas-le-ciel broadcasting corporation does not in any way endorse the fan club created by Malka, and neither oversees nor takes responsibility for any of the content therein. However, this seems to be an amusing twist on the usual Patreon formula, obviously coming pretty close to satire (if not self-parody). Of course, Malka is a member of this group, so she can tell me if I’m wrong (i.e., she can tell me if I should, instead, regard this as serious business!).

Vonk Channel

The “vegan intellectual sex God” : this made my day. (and this day will ring your new nickname)

Malka

Yes. I won’t take that back. There are plenty of vegans who think otherwise and ridicule him and I wanted to show them that attractiveness doesn’t necessarily mean a uniform Armani model appearance. I believe Eisel is an attractive man and it was not meant to be a parody. It is a pity I don’t have the intellectual capacity and skills to present my views on it in a more acceptable manner.

Malka

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Melissa Renee

Aww Malka, it was hilarious, I was laughing for like a solid 5 minutes at the video with P.I.M.P. playing over pictures of Eisel. I think it was pretty much harmless, so I don’t think an apology is necessary, though others may disagree. I actually admire your honesty. I’ve never had the balls to tell anyone I have a crush on them, and it probably won’t ever happen because I’m basically married lol.

Dec 6, 2016 at 1:47am

Insanity & Politics: A Vegan Stabbed Himself On Camera.

Not clickbait, but let’s be clear: this video is a discussion of issues within the vegan movement (and it DOES NOT contain footage of the stabbing alluded to).

Dec 5, 2016 at 6:56am

[Patreon Reply] Campus Radicalism is Rubbish, Innit? (Vegan / Vegans / Veganism)

This is a reply to a Patreon subscriber’s “question” (really a description of his experience, lately, in trying to instigate activism on a university campus).That plate (right-hand side) contained my breakfast noodles.

Tyler Woodward

‘Nick’, if you are at a University in Southwestern Ontario, you should let me know. I’m already apart of the one on my local campus, but we’ve got so much energy if you need help putting on an event, I’m pretty sure we could car pool and some of us would come help you out. If your club keep losing morale. Even if you aren’t, if our clubs could get in touch and exchange information, share resources, etc (even if yours doesn’t have a lot to give, at the very least we could keep each other informed of what’s happening on our campuses, what events we are putting on and what is working for us). Our club has found a big success in also becoming a ‘community’ for vegans on campus. We host a few potlucks each semester, everyone brings a vegan dish and then hangs out and eats some food and just talks. I think this is something that can really help morale. I guess it depends on many people are in your club and the way your university works. I could drone on about the events we have found success with, and also the ways in which this University is a little strange and that may have affected our results. Yet, I’ll save it for if you’re (or anyone else) is interested. We can always exchange emails or something!

Tyler Woodward

I should clarify, I had to pick southwestern ontario to narrow the range, if you’re still a 2 hour drive or something like that, it might be destroying the environment too much to go :v.

Dec 4, 2016 at 1:34pm

[Excerpt:] Vegans, Alone in the Crowd: A Conversation With KiwiBanana.

If you’re a Patreon supporter (and I suspect that you are) then you can already download the complete conversation as a podcast (MP3 format). It was shared here (within Patreon) a few weeks ago, as I recall.———-

A conversation reflecting on the lonesome situation of many vegans (not all!) on and off the interent… and the possibility that Thailand (or somewhere… anywhere…) could be a crossroads for us to meet up in future.

You can find KiwiBanana’s channel here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/mizawizakiza/videos

If you’re a Patreon supporter (and I suspect that you are) then you can already download the complete conversation as a podcast (MP3 format). It was shared here (within Patreon) a few weeks ago, as I recall.———-

A conversation reflecting on the lonesome situation of many vegans (not all!) on and off the interent… and the possibility that Thailand (or somewhere… anywhere…) could be a crossroads for us to meet up in future.

You can find KiwiBanana’s channel here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/mizawizakiza/videos

Dec 4, 2016 at 5:48am

IMHO, the Political Approach to Veganism is Less Depressing than the Alternatives.

This is another “core issues” video, reflecting the fact that I’m currently concerned that I may disappear from youtube for a while (as I pack up my life in Kunming, and move into a new apartment, living in hotels for a while in-between, etc.). I will, in fact, upload “On Community” (my manifesto!) again, in the next few days, before I leave town.BTW, shout out to Alexa for the “cleaned up” image of Donald Trump (in red) seen in the video’s tumbnail!

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A response to “The Vegan Activist” (Michael Goodchild). This refers back to an earlier video titled, “Effective Activism: The Boycott Mentality”, and you can click on the link to that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHH0-TS8viM

(There was, also, a Patreon-only podcast discussing this at some point, I think… but it’s a pretty distant memory.)

This is another “core issues” video, reflecting the fact that I’m currently concerned that I may disappear from youtube for a while (as I pack up my life in Kunming, and move into a new apartment, living in hotels for a while in-between, etc.). I will, in fact, upload “On Community” (my manifesto!) again, in the next few days, before I leave town.BTW, shout out to Alexa for the “cleaned up” image of Donald Trump (in red) seen in the video’s tumbnail!

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A response to “The Vegan Activist” (Michael Goodchild). This refers back to an earlier video titled, “Effective Activism: The Boycott Mentality”, and you can click on the link to that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHH0-TS8viM

(There was, also, a Patreon-only podcast discussing this at some point, I think… but it’s a pretty distant memory.)

Dec 4, 2016 at 5:28am

[Video version, but still a podcast:] Q&A about my “Core Message”, Domestication vs. the Wild, etc., with Alejandro.

This is exactly the same thing I’ve already shared with you guys (within Patreon) as a downloadable podcast… except there’s an edited intro added on to the front, and it plays via Youtube.—–

This was a totally spontaneous conversation with a viewer who (initially) just identified himself as “not vegan”, but it turns out that he’s a vegetarian with a very sincere interest in the movement –and a very sincere set of questions for me. This is 42 minutes long, and, IMHO, among my most enjoyable podcasts I’ve recorded (however, for those of you who have seen every single video, it will not contain anything shockingly new, as it is a Q&A session).

This is exactly the same thing I’ve already shared with you guys (within Patreon) as a downloadable podcast… except there’s an edited intro added on to the front, and it plays via Youtube.—–

This was a totally spontaneous conversation with a viewer who (initially) just identified himself as “not vegan”, but it turns out that he’s a vegetarian with a very sincere interest in the movement –and a very sincere set of questions for me. This is 42 minutes long, and, IMHO, among my most enjoyable podcasts I’ve recorded (however, for those of you who have seen every single video, it will not contain anything shockingly new, as it is a Q&A session).

Malka

I have to agree to a realistic vegan view. Animals are not seemed to be confused about this. When it’s necessary for their survival they kill. So should humans for instance in a life threatening situation or to preserve food supply. Most vegans think that the bread they eat comes with no sacrifice no harm done to their tables. There was this show I used to watch Naked and Afraid and there was this fat vegan boy from Portland . He laid down under a bush for 21 days and was chewing on some sweet weed. He lost a bunch of weight and made it to day 21 while the meat eating Californian girl passed out. He didn’t lift a finger to help her. It s fine and dandy he made it to day 21 but long term I’m convinced he would have done whatever it takes to stay alive.

Malka

Eisel I always wanted to ask you why did you want to join the army?

Dec 4, 2016 at 3:48am

[Podcast:] Q&A About my “Core Message” (incl. Domestication-vs.-the-Wilderness) with Alejandro.

This was a totally spontaneous conversation with a viewer who (initially) just identified himself as “not vegan”, but it turns out that he’s a vegetarian with a very sincere interest in the movement –and a very sincere set of questions for me. This is 42 minutes long, and, IMHO, among my most enjoyable podcasts I’ve recorded (however, for those of you who have seen every single video, it will not contain anything shockingly new, as it is a Q&A session).

This was a totally spontaneous conversation with a viewer who (initially) just identified himself as “not vegan”, but it turns out that he’s a vegetarian with a very sincere interest in the movement –and a very sincere set of questions for me. This is 42 minutes long, and, IMHO, among my most enjoyable podcasts I’ve recorded (however, for those of you who have seen every single video, it will not contain anything shockingly new, as it is a Q&A session).

Podcast with Alejandro, Dec 2016.mp3

jack’s Afer effort

Vegan Kicks needs to get their shit together. They last posted on the Jordan 1s back in 2011 and the entry says that they only have it in kids sizes. Bloody hell.

Eisel Mazard

Jae, it’s a real opportunity: you could create your own “Vegan Sneakerhead” website (and youtube channel), etc., and fill in the gap in the market. I assume I will not have enough free time to do anything like that (I have a job now… or, uh… “nowish”). There are real gaps like that on the internet.

Dec 3, 2016 at 11:43pm

[Minor irony:] I continue to inspire “Powsimian”, apparently.

For those who don’t know, MBlunt = Matt Blunt = Powsimian.This is shared, obviously, just as a form of comedy (this is almost a running joke at this point).

ModVegan

Well, on a related, yet totally different subject, I nearly trolled you for calling Jordans running shoes (an insult to both runners and sneakerheads!). Shame on you!

Eisel Mazard

Oh, shit… this is “another side” of Maude, finally being revealed to the public! She secretly has a closet full of “AirMax 95”, and other sneakerhead obsessions, that she just can’t part with (despite being “vegan”)!

Dec 3, 2016 at 9:09am

Farewell to Kunming (and, especially, to my gym…)

This is the hand-written letter alluded to in the latest “real life update” podcast.Incidentally, I DO NOT believe I will be able to use a gym in Dehong (assuming I succeed in relocating to Dehong, BTW!) so you guys may actually get footage of me working out in my own apartment (a new low for à-bas-le-ciel broadcasting corporation!). I’ve already ordered more than 140 kg of weights to be delivered to the new apartment.

And have I ordered any books? NO, NOT A SINGLE GODDAM BOOK.

Yeah, in many ways, my life (at age 38) is not what I’d expected it to be (at age 28, or even age 18, looking ahead).

This is the hand-written letter alluded to in the latest “real life update” podcast.Incidentally, I DO NOT believe I will be able to use a gym in Dehong (assuming I succeed in relocating to Dehong, BTW!) so you guys may actually get footage of me working out in my own apartment (a new low for à-bas-le-ciel broadcasting corporation!). I’ve already ordered more than 140 kg of weights to be delivered to the new apartment.

And have I ordered any books? NO, NOT A SINGLE GODDAM BOOK.

Yeah, in many ways, my life (at age 38) is not what I’d expected it to be (at age 28, or even age 18, looking ahead).

Malka

Here is the translation of this letter: Goodbye folks!

jack’s Afer effort

The arm genetics are pretty good.

Dec 3, 2016 at 7:58am

Kat Napiorkowska is against “vegan terrorists” & “black-and-white” morality.

Although I don’t think anyone here will HATE this video, it is a bit basic (i.e., introductory-level) compared to other, more in-depth discussions lately to appear on the channel. Conversely, I’m certain that you WILL hate the original video by Kat Napiorkowska… I was playing just a few minutes of it on Younow, before recording this video, and everyone present was yelling for me to “turn it off” and just launch into my critique/rebuttal already.

Although I don’t think anyone here will HATE this video, it is a bit basic (i.e., introductory-level) compared to other, more in-depth discussions lately to appear on the channel. Conversely, I’m certain that you WILL hate the original video by Kat Napiorkowska… I was playing just a few minutes of it on Younow, before recording this video, and everyone present was yelling for me to “turn it off” and just launch into my critique/rebuttal already.

Alec Android

Well said. Although it is basic, it is also a refreshing perspective. Too few vegans can actually cover the basics and keep it real.

Eisel Mazard

“The basics”. https://youtu.be/UOiQSfGIxZ0?t=6s

Melissa Renee

I think it’s awesome both of you know about Homestar Runner. That was my jam when I was a kid! When I was 10 my parents ordered me shirts which came with coasters, both of which I still use! (yes, I still fit into the shirts, they were too big for me at the time lol) and my first email was “misscheatachu” because one of the emails had the cheat using an instant messenger and his name was “cheatachu” hehe Re: “Growing up watching the modern western news media trains us to regard every issue as having two sides to the story” “well, we can all agree this is a complex issue, a gray area, and it’s not clear how we’re going to move forward” UGH so true. Hard black-and-white issue in politics right now: Standing Rock Water Protectors. It is clear, no matter what political party you are, that the American government is fucking over Native Americans YET AGAIN, and our corporatist neoliberal president has done NOTHING: https://youtu.be/3c9sI12JDRo?t=6m53s

Dec 2, 2016 at 5:18pm

[Patreon-Exclusive] [Full video version, 1hr:] REAL LIFE UPDATE (Leaving Kunming, Dec. 2016)

This is the video version of what has already been shared as a podcast. Below follows the same description-text that accompanies the podcast.—–

Very few Patreon subscribers have been here long enough to remember that “REAL LIFE UPDATE” is a genre within this website. Basically, every so often, I record a really long podcast talking about “my real life” (in contrast to… all the other things I talk about on youtube) and it remains patreon-exclusive. The truth is that I don’t find any of this stuff embarassing, but I don’t share it with my wider audience in part because I imagine relatively few of them would be interested. (Perhaps I’m wrong?) This contains reflections on many subtle and peculiar things in my life (and is in some ways the sequel to the “gym romance” discussed at length in the podcast I recorded with American Unicorn), updating you on some obvious things like my job situation, but also reflecting at length on Chinese culture, how I fit into it, my various non-romances, etc. etc. As was warned in the post immediately prior to this one: some of you may prefer NOT to listen to this podcast (veganism comes up, of course, but it is really just a set of sentimental reflections on my real life).

This is the video version of what has already been shared as a podcast. Below follows the same description-text that accompanies the podcast.—–

Very few Patreon subscribers have been here long enough to remember that “REAL LIFE UPDATE” is a genre within this website. Basically, every so often, I record a really long podcast talking about “my real life” (in contrast to… all the other things I talk about on youtube) and it remains patreon-exclusive. The truth is that I don’t find any of this stuff embarassing, but I don’t share it with my wider audience in part because I imagine relatively few of them would be interested. (Perhaps I’m wrong?) This contains reflections on many subtle and peculiar things in my life (and is in some ways the sequel to the “gym romance” discussed at length in the podcast I recorded with American Unicorn), updating you on some obvious things like my job situation, but also reflecting at length on Chinese culture, how I fit into it, my various non-romances, etc. etc. As was warned in the post immediately prior to this one: some of you may prefer NOT to listen to this podcast (veganism comes up, of course, but it is really just a set of sentimental reflections on my real life).

VEGAN cyclist wannabe

Hi E.. I listen to all your videos. Appreciate your command of the English language and intellect. I am a Christian. Would love to hear a video on your “atheist vs believer” argument.. I just write it off as just stubborn intellectualism…

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see what’s possible: I’m packing up to leave Kunming, so my life is going to become… unpredictable… for a while.

Malka

Yay I’m back now I have to ketchup!

Dec 2, 2016 at 4:40pm

[Podcast:] REAL LIFE UPDATE (Leaving Kunming, Dec. 2016)

Very few Patreon subscribers have been here long enough to remember that “REAL LIFE UPDATE” is a genre within this website. Basically, every so often, I record a really long podcast talking about “my real life” (in contrast to… all the other things I talk about on youtube) and it remains patreon-exclusive. The truth is that I don’t find any of this stuff embarassing, but I don’t share it with my wider audience in part because I imagine relatively few of them would be interested. (Perhaps I’m wrong?) This contains reflections on many subtle and peculiar things in my life (and is in some ways the sequel to the “gym romance” discussed at length in the podcast I recorded with American Unicorn), updating you on some obvious things like my job situation, but also reflecting at length on Chinese culture, how I fit into it, my various non-romances, etc. etc. As was warned in the post immediately prior to this one: some of you may prefer NOT to listen to this podcast (veganism comes up, of course, but it is really just a set of sentimental reflections on my real life).

Very few Patreon subscribers have been here long enough to remember that “REAL LIFE UPDATE” is a genre within this website. Basically, every so often, I record a really long podcast talking about “my real life” (in contrast to… all the other things I talk about on youtube) and it remains patreon-exclusive. The truth is that I don’t find any of this stuff embarassing, but I don’t share it with my wider audience in part because I imagine relatively few of them would be interested. (Perhaps I’m wrong?) This contains reflections on many subtle and peculiar things in my life (and is in some ways the sequel to the “gym romance” discussed at length in the podcast I recorded with American Unicorn), updating you on some obvious things like my job situation, but also reflecting at length on Chinese culture, how I fit into it, my various non-romances, etc. etc. As was warned in the post immediately prior to this one: some of you may prefer NOT to listen to this podcast (veganism comes up, of course, but it is really just a set of sentimental reflections on my real life).

REAL LIFE UPDATE (Leaving Kunming, Dec. 2016).mp3

Dec 2, 2016 at 4:19pm

[Patreon-exclusive] I don’t want to learn Chinese, I’m doing it anyway.

This is an excerpt from a one-hour-long “real life update” podcast, that you (as a Patreon subscriber) will be able to hear ASAP. Being 100% honest with you, I actually do think that many of you might want to watch this excerpt first –or you might want to watch it INSTEAD OF the much longer podcast. The full version is partly a reflection on my own life (at this peculiar juncture, as I pack up to leave Kunming) but it is also in large part a reflection on Chinese culture and how I fit into it.

This is an excerpt from a one-hour-long “real life update” podcast, that you (as a Patreon subscriber) will be able to hear ASAP. Being 100% honest with you, I actually do think that many of you might want to watch this excerpt first –or you might want to watch it INSTEAD OF the much longer podcast. The full version is partly a reflection on my own life (at this peculiar juncture, as I pack up to leave Kunming) but it is also in large part a reflection on Chinese culture and how I fit into it.

Alec Android

This is labelled as exclusive but public on YouTube. Accident?

Eisel Mazard

I’m making it public temporarily: I’ll make it private after a few days. The whole video (and/or podcast) is over an hour long, and that is patreon-only. I did the same thing with one of the “non-date” videos (complaining about my personal life) because I wanted to share it with a larger audience: it was public for a few days, but marked as “patreon-only”. I think this gives people a sense of what the exclusive content is like.

Dec 2, 2016 at 1:01am

[Other voices:] Quoting Cheetah’s claim that veganism is not healthier than meat, etc.

This is only 3 minutes long. I think that many of you have the level of interest (or curiosity) to watch this 3 minute video, but, obviously, you’d prefer to avoid sifting through several (much longer) videos on Cheetah’s own channel to get the same information.

Genevieve Jackson

He misinterpreted stuff he heard in such stupid way. There is a Mcdougall talk about how IGF1 in isolated soy is higher than in dairy. Not meat! So meat is not healthier than a Boca patty!!!!!

Genevieve Jackson

The Seventh Day Adventists consume lots of mock meats, and still live longer than average.

Eisel Mazard

Cheetah was just making this stuff up off the top of his head: there is no vegan hamburger (on this planet) that is as bad for your health as eating a chicken-egg.

Dec 1, 2016 at 3:53pm

Vegan Cheetah Eats Cheese: Violence & “The Man of Principle” Problem.

The audio-only (podcast) version is attached (as MP3) and, yes, there are good reasons to prefer the audio-only format in this case. Be forewarned: this episode is entirely recorded with “the case-members” wearing white, skin-tight t-shirts, and the first few minutes include some gratutious post-gym flexing. To be filed under “aberrant behavior exhibited (possibly) due to lack of sleep”. That aside, it’s the usual sort of philosophical monologue (really: this is NOT “drama”, but a series of philosophical, personal and psychological reflections).

The audio-only (podcast) version is attached (as MP3) and, yes, there are good reasons to prefer the audio-only format in this case. Be forewarned: this episode is entirely recorded with “the case-members” wearing white, skin-tight t-shirts, and the first few minutes include some gratutious post-gym flexing. To be filed under “aberrant behavior exhibited (possibly) due to lack of sleep”. That aside, it’s the usual sort of philosophical monologue (really: this is NOT “drama”, but a series of philosophical, personal and psychological reflections).

Vegan Cheetah Eats Cheese, Violence and The Man of Principle Problem.mp3

Melissa Renee

If I’d been in that situation, murder would’ve crossed my mind, but I wouldn’t have acted on it. I’ve never gotten into a physical altercation, except with my brothers as a kid I guess. About stopping violence with violence, my bf had to take an anger management in high school (which I find hilarious considering I’ve got a shorter fuse than him) because he punched a guy in the face after witnessing him smack his girlfriend during an argument. I don’t think that warrants an anger management course, that dude deserved to be punched.

Melissa Renee

I told my bf about your bread anecdote and that I shared his story in a comment here, and he was like, “I didn’t punch him, I picked him up by his shirt and pants and smashed his face into the lockers, you know the slits in lockers?” soo… I guess anger management was maybe fair? Hah.

Vonk Channel

Self control is really hard for some people (this concerns me) because they take these attacks or “prank” personally. But it’s not and will never be a personal attack : it’s what we fight for that is dragged in the mudd, not ourselves. We are not the victims of this but the other animals are thought us. If we position ourselves like advocates, defending others, it may be a way to not be that much affected by those remarks. I also get that the situation is different when we are tricked to eat something and this is close to a betrayal. That can be taken more personally.

Dec 1, 2016 at 9:12am

The only vegan options at Kunming’s train station (Yunnan, China).

在昆明火车站我们可以找比较少种纯素食物。

Malka

Gary Yourofsky acts like a homicidal nazi maniac!

Alexa

When these videos are viewed decades from now, I imagine students and critics will deliberate on ÁBLC vlog’s extensive use of the “Dutch angle.”

Eisel Mazard

No no: decades from now, people will be debating whether or not “Eisel Mazard” was an actual person (or a fictional character).

Dec 1, 2016 at 1:20am

[Patreon-Exclusive] The Minimalism Debate RAGES ON!!! (Ep. 2)

Hey, I assume this will be patreon-exclusive content, but if you guys “vote” for it (or if you feel strongly about it), we can share this with the youtube public, i.e., if there’s significant interest in “part 1” of the minimalism debate, on one side or the other. The MP3 (podcast version) is attached, for those of you who do not live 18 hours per day sitting at a desk.

Hey, I assume this will be patreon-exclusive content, but if you guys “vote” for it (or if you feel strongly about it), we can share this with the youtube public, i.e., if there’s significant interest in “part 1” of the minimalism debate, on one side or the other. The MP3 (podcast version) is attached, for those of you who do not live 18 hours per day sitting at a desk.

The Minimalism Debate RAGES ON, epsiode two.mp3

Maddalena

I’ve lived nearly 10 years traveling around and owning just a suitcase of personal belongings. Then I decided to settle down to start a family and I ended up buying a big old house in the countryside and I don’t want to go into details but consumerism suddenly became a giant part of my life. You definitely can’t be a minimalist when you have dozens of lightbulbs to replace, and you can’t look after a big garden without having a crazy amount of tools. The more you own, the more you need to take care of (rich people problems some would say!). What I like about minimalism is asking yourself questions about what you need, for example I cook 3 meals a day from scratch, do I really need a microwave oven? A rice cooker? A stand mixer? I have a big house, but do I really need a bedroom from every child? Do I want to clean one bedroom for every child and pay the extra cost to heat every room during winter? I like these kind of questions because I like rethinking the way people live, in the Alps where I come from everyone has a big house and people spend their life looking after it. Most of them will tell you that this give them joy and pride. I thought i would feel the same but I don’t. Stuff doesn’t give me joy , I have the shivers when I hear minimalist people talking about “the things that give you happiness”, this is not about happiness at all for me and it’s actually about realizing that things don’t really matter and that you can live with less without loosing anything in the process. The problem is that a lot of minimalist youtubers are all about DESIGN and where to find the perfect item for your house, I don’t see anything positive in that, that is just shallow luxury lifestyle.

Melissa Renee

Maddalena, I always like your comments. Disclaimer: I think it’s lovely you have a family, no shade! One of my reasons for not wanting kids is that I imagine it would be nearly impossible to be as minimalist and eco-friendly as I want to be. Kids (especially American kids!) consume A LOT. The baby showers I’ve attended have shown me how easy it is for stuff to accumulate. My oldest brother and his wife just had a baby and they were living in a one-bedroom apartment (and had a storage unit). They moved as quickly to a home as they could (difficult in the San Francisco bay area!) because a one-bedroom apartment for an American family with a newborn baby is just too small. Before they got married my brother said he never wanted a house because he didn’t want to have the upkeep and didn’t fall for the idea that keeping a home nice will give you joy/pride. I’m at that stage still, I really don’t want the upkeep of a house, but I would like to have my own garden. Maybe we’ll get a tiny house, but that wouldn’t work out so well for my 6’5” partner, soo… haha, ugh. If I could rent a house that had space for a garden that’d be perfect. Anyway, I agree with you about “the things that give you happiness” giving you shivers to a certain extent. I always seem to be accumulating shit from my family, so instead of feeling bad about throwing it out, that part of minimalism has helped me. Like I inherited vases from my grandma, but they’re really not my style, and I rarely have flowers in the house anyway. Even though they are usable, they don’t bring me joy, in fact with the small space I have it bothers me that I have to find room for them, so I’m really considering giving them away.

Melissa Renee

https://youtu.be/G4RoGNQrxHY “Have Nothing, Give Everything. [Buddhism and Selfishness]” I was watching The Vegan Mojo’s YouNow broadcast yesterday and he recommended this woman’s channel. I thought you might find this video… interesting? Seems ill-informed about Buddhism, based on what little I know. It has to do with minimalism too: “If you have an excess that you don’t need and you’re not gonna give it to someone who does, there’s no excuse for that other than selfishness, that is the definition of selfishness”

Nov 30, 2016 at 2:37pm

What Patreon Means to Me & the Vegan Movement (Vegan Cheetah is Wrong)

(No synopsis this time! Live in the moment, people!)MP3 / Podcast version attached, ideal for listening to during long protests in front of fur-based fashion shows, in the middle of winter.

What Patreon Means to Me & the Vegan Movement (Vegan Cheetah is Wrong).mp3

Malka

That s all true and the other way around as well. Can’t really draw conclusions about meat eaters neither. Unless it’s a study where the variables are well controlled or kept minimal I wouldnt take it too seriously no matter how you look at it. People are usually not objective when they report their dietary habits.

Alec Android

What claims has Vegan Cheetah made recently? He once laughed at the idea that red meat causes cancer. Most experts say it does or it “probably” does. The non-correlational causational science suggests that animal products contribute to cancer, heart disease, diabetes and most of the leading causes of death. It hasn’t always translated into lower average mortality in vegans for many possible reasons; many vegans avoid B12 and vaccinations, many vegans don’t care or worry about their health and eat mostly junk food, some vegans eat spirulina, stevia and kombucha and other unsafe “health foods”; maybe vegans are poorer on average than pescatarians; perhaps vegans are even socially discriminated against and even this may be a small factor, perhaps people are more likely to adopt a vegan diet after being made ill by animal products etc. On top of this, the science on how to be healthy as a vegan, though solid, is fairly new, and there is general lack of reliable data on the health and mortality of vegans. The causational studies proving that animal products contribute to diseases like heart disease, cancer and diabetes are solid though.

Eisel Mazard

I think this guy edited together Cheetah’s most recent health-claim, into a 3 min. video (and that was your question): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8dwG1f8c24=

Nov 30, 2016 at 8:25am

[Patreon-Exclusive:] Veganizing Chinese People (at Random) in Kunming.

(Audio-only version attached as an MP3.) A lengthy anecdote reflecting on my day-to-day life here in Kunming (as a vegan preacher, learning Chinese), and the peculiar influence I had on one woman who (apparently) became vegan.

Anecdote, Veganizing Chinese People (at Random) in Kunming.mp3

Malka

Too much clothes. Didn’t you say you moved to the tropics? LOL on micvah

Eisel Mazard

I’ll move to the tropics on Dec. 16th… hopefully you’ll get exciting new videos at that time… or, possibly, it will become vastly more difficult for me to upload to the internet.

Malka

Let’s talk about the China Study for a moment in connection with veganism and Communism. Someone who was brought up behind the iron curtain I challenge all the gullible vegans who truly believe that one character of that data the Chinese government provided was true! It is indeed heavily make uped and idealized to compete with the capitalist Western countries and put up a facade. Furthermore, as evidenced even by Eisel, veganism is NOT the norm in China as the book suggests. I’m convinced that the Chinese masses live in powerty and that’s the true reason that they may not eat that much meat not because they are some health conscious park yogis. Or let’s look at the Okinawans, another well cited ethnic group.Those oriental hobbit looking creatures live long according to them because of fresh food fresh fish and lots of community activities opposed to our isolated depressed existence.

Nov 29, 2016 at 3:10pm

Why I’m Against Trolling: Veganism Is Not A Game.

[Podcast version attached as an MP3.] Quote, “I do not regard youtube as real activism, however, I regard youtube as creating connections between people who can really co-operate and can be part of a real movement in the future…”(@5:30) –and, reciprocally, this is why I regard the trolls as doing something really negative (not merely neutral) within the would-be movement.

Here’s the link to the children’s storybook I wrote (mentioned repeatedly in this video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcK4Y8_d5XQ

[Podcast version attached as an MP3.] Quote, “I do not regard youtube as real activism, however, I regard youtube as creating connections between people who can really co-operate and can be part of a real movement in the future…”(@5:30) –and, reciprocally, this is why I regard the trolls as doing something really negative (not merely neutral) within the would-be movement.

Here’s the link to the children’s storybook I wrote (mentioned repeatedly in this video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcK4Y8_d5XQ

Why I’m Against Trolling, Vegan Trolls Are Worse Than Freelee By Far.mp3

Malka

Eisel why are you poor?

Eisel Mazard

It’s a long story.

Malka

I have time

Nov 28, 2016 at 5:18pm

Minimalism is rubbish, innit? (Philosophy & Politics, I.M.H.O.)

Warning: those of you who are taking a shot of vodka every time I mention Laos WILL GET DRUNK.

Minimalism is rubbish, innit.mp3

Art.of.War

I’m careful about amassing possessions, and my home is small and clutter-free, but I would end up murdering someone if I had to live in one of those tiny houses. Lol. I need my own space/bedroom (to read, be alone, and write in peace), and I feel most at peace with a certain amount of empty space, such as room to sit in a chair while also allowing someone to pass behind the chair. Although I can def see how a tiny house in the back garden might be tempting, for ppl with teenagers

Richard

Not having the right sort of can opener usually doesn’t result in an economic penalty. One can buy one as and when it’s needed, or ask a neighbour if you can borrow theirs if it’s urgent. And so what if someone pukes in the hotel bar? Even if one or two hotel guests are offended and refuse to pay their bill, it still works out cheaper than hiring someone “just in case” for a whole year (or longer depending on how often people puke in the bar). A puncture repair kit or a spare innertube would be an example of something worth buying just in case, because punctures are frequent enough to make them a predictable risk and it usually works out much cheaper than hiring a taxi, but most “just in case” purchases are poorly thought out. A few years ago I purchased a top of range bike. The first thing I did was replace the crankset and sell the original one supplied with the bike. My colleague suggested I should have kept it ‘just in case” I decided to sell the bike in the future, so I had to explain to him that buying one in the future to put back on the bike would work out much better from a financial standpoint. As it happens, I still own the bike. If I wanted to buy the same crankset today, it would cost £150 less than I sold mine for 3 years ago and that’s not factoring inflation. When I returned to the UK from living in Paris, I rented a small storage unit to store some of my stuff. I only planned to keep the unit for a couple of months, but twelve months later I still had it and had paid more in rent than the cost of replacing the stuff I was storing. That’s when I gave my stuff away (save for a couple of items I sold on Ebay) and closed my storage unit – which was the rational thing to do. In the end, I didn’t replace any of the items I gave away. People get all sentimental about inanimate objects – especially the crap handed down or gifted to us – and this blights people’s ability to think straight. People are terrible at making rational economic decisions. If you’re paying rent or a mortgage on a place to live that is much bigger than you need because you have too much crap to store, you’re not thinking rationally.

Nov 28, 2016 at 3:11pm

Well, I’m under 100 kg, but I’m still safely over 200 pounds.

Hey, it’s only two minutes long, you really want a synopsis?

Malka

This weight loss mania and the vegans…smh..I share the late dr bill’s (Harris, author of hipposuction) view on this topic: no need for diet books just buy a one way plane ticket to a war stricken country on the loser side and it s a guaranteed weight loss.

Malka

Harris also critized McDougall for promoting cheap carbs like rice and potatoes. He was an interesting character along with my other favorite dr Karl Sheff.

Nov 28, 2016 at 1:01am

[Other voices:] Vegan activism: some people get started early…

A contrast to the middle-aged cynicism on my own channel.Naturally, I assume that my own daughter will grow up to be at the opposite extreme (maybe she’ll become a seal hunter, just to spite her parents?).

Chris Takacs

Seal hunter? You wish. Your daughter is going to popularize the idea of seals as pets!

Tyler Woodward

She’s gonna be on youtube telling us how smart seals are, they can be just like dogs! They’ll play fetch and everything!

Vonk Channel

She’ll have a YouTube channel where she’ll criticize every topic brought online by her father.

Chris Takacs

Holding a cube.

Nov 27, 2016 at 4:02pm

Joe Vegan Will Fail: His Fantasy Farm Ain’t Gonna Happen.

Joe Vegan’s proposed animal sanctuary (originally projected as costing only $600 per month!) is not feasible, his claims about it are not credible, and his wishful thinking about the subject (after the collapse of his “drama” channel) increasingly resembles the fantasy of the permanent vacation (in Thailand) that he escaped from, just a few chapters earlier in this same story.If you’re looking for the link to my earlier video (alluded to here) on the high cost of keeping horses and pigs alive (in a so-called sanctuary), it is titled, “The $600 Sanctuary Delusion”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqPmh05WWU

In terms of the ethical questions I raise (on this channel) about animal sanctuaries in general (and not about Joe’s project in specific), check out the following video (only two minutes long) and the links to earlier videos in its description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5UeDlFlQU

Joe Vegan’s proposed animal sanctuary (originally projected as costing only $600 per month!) is not feasible, his claims about it are not credible, and his wishful thinking about the subject (after the collapse of his “drama” channel) increasingly resembles the fantasy of the permanent vacation (in Thailand) that he escaped from, just a few chapters earlier in this same story.If you’re looking for the link to my earlier video (alluded to here) on the high cost of keeping horses and pigs alive (in a so-called sanctuary), it is titled, “The $600 Sanctuary Delusion”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqPmh05WWU

In terms of the ethical questions I raise (on this channel) about animal sanctuaries in general (and not about Joe’s project in specific), check out the following video (only two minutes long) and the links to earlier videos in its description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5UeDlFlQU

Malka

@ dynamic obviously you don’t read the comments

Dynamic Eye Studios

No especially if someone accuses me of being a meat eater when I’m a vegan photographer, or were you revealing that you yourself are a meat eater in that comment? Perhaps in the future I will make my comments private messages to Eisel as I have done in the past.

Malka

@dynamic I was referring to someone else’s comment and not about you

Nov 27, 2016 at 4:00pm

Getting the “Thumbs Down” (On Youtube) Is Actually A Wonderful Thing.

Here’s the link to the video I mentioned (only two minutes long!) that has far more thumbs-down than thumbs-up… but is, from my perspective, even more worthwhile for that reason:[Title:] “Animal Sanctuaries”, Oppression vs. Liberation, Or What?

[Link:] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5UeDlFlQU&t=15s

Quote, “The audience that needs to hear it, by definition, is not the audience that wants to hear it.”

Here’s the link to the video I mentioned (only two minutes long!) that has far more thumbs-down than thumbs-up… but is, from my perspective, even more worthwhile for that reason:[Title:] “Animal Sanctuaries”, Oppression vs. Liberation, Or What?

[Link:] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OG5UeDlFlQU&t=15s

Quote, “The audience that needs to hear it, by definition, is not the audience that wants to hear it.”

Malka

@melissa this smoker is seasoned with animal blood and I would never be able to completely clean that out. I would never sell a vegan person a tofu that touched that thing. Thanks for the info I’m going to Austin this coming week and check the BBQ truck out. Do you know their names?I won’t open anything food related for a while because working on my degree but maybe in the near future. Right now I’m perfecting my vegan tamale skills.

Simon Poley

Malka, are you on younow?

Nov 27, 2016 at 10:58am

[纯素/云南] “Traditional” Vegan food in Yunnan, China: the Basics.

Perhaps my least controversial video of 2016?

Melissa Renee

I love mushrooms and red peppers so that one on the video still frame looks the best to me! My initial reaction is that it’s great they don’t cook the vegetables to death. Two of the dishes at my Thanksgivings (had to go to 2) this year were overcooked greens and then overcooked Brussels sprouts, both in too much oil, and I was like, what’s the point when they’re reduced to mush and covered in fat and have probably lost most of their nutritional benefits? (Obviously I didn’t say that aloud!) That’s a shame that you’re at risk of getting sick why is that, cross-contamination from other dishes made in the restaurant? Wouldn’t it be safe to buy veggies from a market and rinse them off? I eat large amounts of raw veggies, so I’d be missing that for sure if they weren’t safe to eat.

Malka

It doesn’t look like he has a kitchen in his room.

Malka

Yes its a neurotoxin especially if you are a Transylvanian vampire!

Nov 26, 2016 at 5:55pm

[Patreon Question:] Perspective, Cosmopolitanism, Research & the Meaning of Life.

20 minutes of Patreon-exclusive content, with the MP3 / audio-only / podcast version attached. And, yes, I’m awake at 2:00AM in China, trying to get this uplaoded for y’all.

Patreon Question, Perspective, Cosmopolitanism, etc.mp3

Malka

Btw thanks for uploading videos, they are highly entertaining! First thing in the morning I check out what’s going on in the demimand lol it’s boring when I don’t see anything from you!

Olivia

Care to explain more about the catholic church and it’s history of atrocities? My brain is still in recovery from about 20 years of catholic indoctrination via churches, parents, nuns etc. Are you speaking in reference to the Crusades, the Inquisition, child molestation … ?

Nov 26, 2016 at 5:26pm

Beautiful (vegan / vegans / veganism)

Yeah, it’s a one-word title. Nevertheless, I think you’ll grasp the point of the video within the first 45 seconds.

Mike On Raw

I wish more people understood that. Perhaps a side effect of youtube and the young audience it brings in and the young that don’t fear putting them selves into a public eye? When you put all of the messages in just a couple sentences from Freelee it made me think of a old 70’s movie and the idea of at what cost would it be fore everyone to be beautiful vegans? This trailer has the right tone at times. https://youtu.be/USADM5Gk9Gs

Eisel Mazard

Logan’s Run must be one of the worst movies ever made in the English language (with a budget over one million dollars). I never saw the ending… caught a portion of it while washing dishes one day (in Canada).

Tyler Woodward

I’m that 1% who’s got the vegan parents. I still had everyone else in my life tell me how wrong I , or my parents, were. I spent some time in the USA as a kid, I went to the doctors once when I was there (Note: Not against doctors, I only got sick once and it was expensive). The doctor came into the room and started with “Do you know that meat is necessary for healthy brain development? ” (IE Hi you’re probably retarded). I told him I would use that as an excuse the next time I got a bad grade. 2007ish a classmate asked me if I was vegan, why was I fat? I don’t remember what I said in reply, but maybe he was the Freelee before Freelee. He might even be on vegan youtube now, fat shaming someone.

Maddalena

How amazing that you’ve been vegan since childhood! and yes i’m sure it wasn’t easy on you or your parent, I am a parent myself and I had to stop mentioning veganism to doctors or they would treat me like a crazy woman!

Nov 26, 2016 at 4:57pm

Booty-Call Text-Messages at 2:00 AM (Hating the Player AND the Game)

Every possible trigger-warning for this video: you WILL be offended, if you’re wearing a fancy hat you WILL get wet, etc. etc. –but don’t worry, I have more “strictly political” (and strictly vegan) material uploading right now. Skip this one if you see the title and think, “I don’t want to hear it”.

Every possible trigger-warning for this video: you WILL be offended, if you’re wearing a fancy hat you WILL get wet, etc. etc. –but don’t worry, I have more “strictly political” (and strictly vegan) material uploading right now. Skip this one if you see the title and think, “I don’t want to hear it”.

Malka

Man funny how you hate on the booty call but have a mild view prostitution lol

Malka

Oh holy shit guys did you see vegan gains latest video??? Some fetish he is acting out with his wife LOL

Nov 25, 2016 at 1:23pm

Veganism and Ecology in Party Politics: How to Build the Movement, Step by Step.

[MP3/Podcast version attached.] Yes, this video is partly a critique (of what’s wrong with The Humane Party, what’s wrong with The Green Party, and even the trouble with Communist influence on ecology in the western world) but it is, also, in large part a positive guide (“step by step”) on pertaining to the future of veganism-and-ecology in party politics.

[MP3/Podcast version attached.] Yes, this video is partly a critique (of what’s wrong with The Humane Party, what’s wrong with The Green Party, and even the trouble with Communist influence on ecology in the western world) but it is, also, in large part a positive guide (“step by step”) on pertaining to the future of veganism-and-ecology in party politics.

Veganism and Ecology in Party Politics, How to Build the Movement, Step by Step.mp3

Alec Android

Have you discussed in other videos the fact that anti-communism has killed millions of people and why you don’t think this invalidates anti-communism? If historical violence by some Communists proves communism is fundamentally bad, then why doesn’t historical violence by Anti-communists prove anti-communism is bad?

Alec Android

I’ve just found your video “On Communism”, which I think partly answers the question (in that I understand your position better) but I’m still not convinced that atrocities are built into communism more than they are built into anti-communism.

ModVegan

I really enjoyed this. I’m glad you answered the question in more detail. I have to say the comment about “running for PM” was intriguing . The Humane Party did get celebrity endorsements from Jane Velez Mitchell and a few others, but otherwise I think it was clear this was just an attempt to get their name out there.

Alec Android

Is the Humane Party linked to the Humane Society? I assumed the party was partly created to generate donations and support for the Humane Society.

Nov 24, 2016 at 3:54pm

[Patreon Exclusive:] Veganism, the Long Game and the Short Game (Mike’s Question).

This is a reply to a question from a Patreon supporter, “Mike on Raw”, who also has a youtube channel of his own, that you can find here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2k3qMLqBpfk1FSqf3qR2ow/videos

This is a reply to a question from a Patreon supporter, “Mike on Raw”, who also has a youtube channel of his own, that you can find here:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2k3qMLqBpfk1FSqf3qR2ow/videos

James Newman

I like the positivity in regards to vegan food establishments. Although, with some of them, I feel like there’s a degree of preaching to the choir. Some vegan eateries seem to be aimed at people who are already vegan or vegetarian. These are usually the fast casual restaurants, though. Whereas, fine dining establishments do seem to market themselves equally to vegan and non-vegans alike.

Mike On Raw

I recently had a chance to talk with the owner of a Pizza establishment who carries vegan options (sausage, cheese, pepperoni) and how that has impacted his business. A video will be coming on that discussion, but I can tell you it has been positive for him even though he doesn’t try to focus on that. I also follow the actions of the Vegan Butcher that opened up a retail location early last year. Their products have built a reputation in the region and they are starting to show up as options in numerous restaurants around town. And I recently found a doughnut shop that has all of their baked donuts vegan yet they don’t necessarily call that out at all. An upside is that I find most fine dining establishments in this market are willing to create something for the odd vegan that might appear in their midst. Some do a better job at creating something than others but it has always been more than just a salad in my experience.

Mike On Raw

Thanks for answering the question. One of these days we will have to Skype. I’d like to focus your perspective on a few things that I haven’t seen you address yet… or at least I’m insufficient to pull those pieces from some of your more ranging conversations. One of the problems more visible to me these days is how isolated the internet can be. Not isolated in that making us alone, but isolated in that we get trapped into silos. Facebook knows what I click on so it shows me more of that. Google knows what I search for so it shows me more of that. Youtube knows what I like so it shoes me more of that. How do we ever expand our knowledge if we only are ever exposed to those things we already know, or already agree with? Thus it can be very helpful to get your point of view on topics as often, the do differ from the normal background noise of veganism.

Nov 24, 2016 at 3:51pm

[MP3] Catching Up With “The Podcast Versions” of Recent Videos

For those who prefer to hear my unending sequence of morality lectures, “on the go”, as promised, please find attached the podcast versions of my most recent videos (yes, a guy came in and repaired the internet today, etc.).

Lobbying, a voice for the voiceless.mp3

The Wonder that was Freelee.mp3

Anecdote, My Flirtation with an Ex-Vegan (or Ex-Vegetarian).mp3

Anastasia

Thank you, that’s convenient

NotKurtis

Thank god, riding up the doi just changed from three hours of the Kafkaesque melody of gear clicks and self-adulating sweaty grunts to three hours of inspiring, educational, cynical podcast.

Nov 24, 2016 at 3:35pm

Anecdote, My Flirtation With an Ex-Vegan.

SHOULD THIS BE PATREON-EXCLUSIVE? To be honest, I’m inclined to share this one publicly, on youtube, at some point. Maybe we can have a vote on it. While some people in my “general audience” hate and resent anything I say about my personal life, this really does reflect on a set of issues that many vegans live with –including the odd happenstance of meeting people who agree with veganism (in principle) but who aren’t actually vegan (e.g., because they’re eating meat, “on doctor’s orders”).

SHOULD THIS BE PATREON-EXCLUSIVE? To be honest, I’m inclined to share this one publicly, on youtube, at some point. Maybe we can have a vote on it. While some people in my “general audience” hate and resent anything I say about my personal life, this really does reflect on a set of issues that many vegans live with –including the odd happenstance of meeting people who agree with veganism (in principle) but who aren’t actually vegan (e.g., because they’re eating meat, “on doctor’s orders”).

Melissa Renee

Re diabetes and alcohol: one of my roommates freshman year had type 1 diabetes and she drank in excess frequently (like my other roommates and most freshmen I knew lol). One night we thought she was going to die because she was passed out and hadn’t taken her insulin shot, so we had to call her mom to see what we should do. It didn’t stop her from getting blackout drunk in the future. Re diabetes and meat: the medical research is pretty clear that adopting a more whole foods, plant based diet would help patients with diabetes. If she knows enough about veganism she should know to get a second opinion. It does sound like you dodged an emotionally volatile bullet. If she teared up over a cup of coffee gesture, what’s to say her tears over having to eat meat were genuine? Like you said, would she break down crying after being sexually gratified? Lol, awkward.

Art.of.War

Emotional incontinence and alcohol are not a good mix, unfortunately.

Nov 24, 2016 at 4:34am

Vegan Lobbying: A Voice for the Voiceless, or “Corporate Shills”?

Probably my most controversial video in… uh… a week or ten days? I admit, I’ve been uploading excessively, but this is not controversy for controversy’s sake.

Melissa Renee

I want to be that person at the board of education meetings imploring them to understand how it’s wrong to put carnist propaganda in schools, but the larger portion of me believes it’s hopeless. My inner voice says: “Why put your time and effort into this when there’s no point? Humans are doomed due to their own stupidity.” I know that’s an angsty juvenile and pessimistic mindset, I know it, but it’s what I really feel. I know I should feel like it’s worth it to reach those few out there who would agree with me, it’s worth it if I can change one life’s trajectory. But if I can’t even get my own parents to understand WHY I’m vegan, let alone get them to stop eating meat, after telling them over and over again why I am vegan and why it matters, if I can’t get them to understand me, their daughter who has spilled my guts to them over and over again about all kinds of issues so that they know who I am, how could I get a board of education to listen to and understand a “crazy” spiel about veganism from a stranger’s voice? My voice won’t be heard, it probably will only be ridiculed. And I do get it would be the principle of the thing, it would be telling the board that brands shouldn’t be able to advertise in schools, but that point coming from a vegan perspective would, in their minds, invalidate my reasoning. I know the quotes, “Be the change you wish to see in the world,” “If not you, who? If not now, when?” “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It’s not.” I DO care a whole awful lot, but I see nothing getting better, and I view the baby steps of “getting better” with scorn for them not being enough, not even being the correct course of action. Like this, the humane label is not enough, in fact it seems to have given the public the notion that there is such a thing as humane slaughter.

Eisel Mazard

Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, etc., manage to “push around” board-of-education meetings; there’s a long history of push and pull with homosexuals (opposed by the Christians) trying to get better representation, etc. Fundamentally, the vegan perspective is “anti-graft” (trying to get meat and dairy propaganda out of the school system), so things are slanted in our favor… there are reasons to be optimistic about this specific example of activism.

Melissa Renee

On the flip side, after much debate, my boyfriend became vegan with me. But that’s my boyfriend, he’s a wonderful human being I never imagined could exist, and I know he and I are in the minority because we vent all the time to one another about how almost everyone else just sucks at being decent humans. (And even he and I continue to have debates about pet ownership because he doesn’t view it as harshly as I do, and he has said that if we weren’t together he may be vegetarian, even though he knows the cruelty of the dairy industry because he loves cheese. He’ll give me these hypotheticals like, what if we just had one pet cow who was rescued and was producing milk, would you eat cheese I made from that milk? Lol.) And I do see sparks of hope in my mom and in my boyfriend’s mom because they make the effort to cook us vegan food at the holidays, and my mom seems to accept the health aspects (she’s a nurse). Two of my friends are vegan, so there are 3 like-minded people actually in my life. And I spend so much time listening to you and other YouTubers because it gives me hope that there are other like-minded people out there, somewhere, looking at the same moon as me at night. Maybe it isn’t hopeless. Maybe if I did say these things in front of the board, someone would agree. And maybe that would be the most rewarding thing in the world to me, hearing that my voice did actually make a difference.

Nov 23, 2016 at 11:53pm

The wonder that was Freelee (RT4 in the past tense).

This is 30 minutes long, but I can’t give you a podcast version yet: I’ll upload and audio-only (MP3) version (as a separate post within Patreon) when the internet is functioning a bit better here in China.

Malka

Never even heard of youknow. I doubt that VG is worried about your comments. Whenever he makes a commentary you can tell he has like a 100+ comments unread when he uses his YT page as a backdrop. Maybe you made mad some other less flexible nihilist and they had you ass banned for a while. What is your content on YK?

Alec Android

I literally don’t have anything on YouNow. I have no idea why I got suspended. Vegan Gains has deleted my comments recently and on other occasions so he came to mind, but I agree it’s unlikely since he apparently does not use YouNow at all. I sent an “unban request” more than 24 hours ago and still haven’t been unsuspended. It’s weird.

Joe Vaillancourt

Wildly off tangent: I keep forgetting that you never owned or driven a car. I always imagined meeting you and every conversation we’d have would devolve into tuning cars, or one-upping eachother with the clunkers we lived with.

Nov 20, 2016 at 4:18pm

Vegans: Anorexia, Bulimia, Body Image and the Movement.

Fully 40 minutes long, and so an MP3 (podcast version) is attached… however, I think that this one is slighly easier to understand if you can see my hand-gestures at a few odd moments.

Anorexia, Bulimia, Body Image and the Movement.mp3

Art.of.War

I’ve been watching Izzy Davis on YouTube for some years; it’s been interesting watching, from a vegan community standpoint, but vids that she made while she was in Chiang Mai last summer were concerning (she seemed very ill at ease).

Eisel Mazard

When I met her, she just seemed like a nervous, air-headed nonentity (assuming that was her, BTW). I always found it surreal that some (incl. Vegan Cheetah) behaved as if she were extremely alluring (“a sex symbol” within the movement, etc.). I look at these people as potential activists, and wonder if they’ll be making a real difference in the world 5 years from now. When I look at her (ASMR videos, pole-dancing and all) I don’t see any potential, but, of course, I could be wrong. She describes herself as some sort of over-achiever in college/academically, so perhaps the same qualities that make her such a dull conformist will make her massively successful in some walk of life (other than pole-dancing).

ModVegan

I didn’t realize shirtless/bikini selfies were obligatory for vegan YouTubers, lol. I missed the memo. I agree with your advice for this young woman, though. There are great people like Tofu Tommy that are making videos while going through eating disorder recovery, but I think most of the time it adds a lot of unnecessary pressure. And as you say, it’s also difficult for a young person to know if they really want all those videos up on the internet for potential employers to see, etc. Good video!

Eisel Mazard

People seem to find everything I say offensive, so, in this case, the surprise was that people WEREN’T offended.

Nov 20, 2016 at 12:43pm

Conspiracy Theories (About Me) Aren’t Entirely Out-Of-Fashion

This sort of theory (that I’m secretly trying to destroy veganism from within) was actively promoted by a guy named “Vegan Revolution”… I think it was actually more popular BEFORE Durianrider denounced me in Chiang Mai. However, I just note, this line of thinking about me hasn’t entirely disappeared (I think many people gave up the game, simply because my youtube channel makes my motives and means self-evident).

This sort of theory (that I’m secretly trying to destroy veganism from within) was actively promoted by a guy named “Vegan Revolution”… I think it was actually more popular BEFORE Durianrider denounced me in Chiang Mai. However, I just note, this line of thinking about me hasn’t entirely disappeared (I think many people gave up the game, simply because my youtube channel makes my motives and means self-evident).

Nick Knowles

Eisel, you’re doing probably the worst job possible of destroying veganism from within

Eisel Mazard

Thanks.

Nick Knowles

Lol people must think you really have something or some secret weapon; it’s quite hysterical

Nov 20, 2016 at 12:04pm

How to Get Yourself Killed in Laos.

Truth be told, this is only half the story, as you don’t get the tragi-comic tale that follows after the initial event.

ModVegan

That was a great story. I guess it’s comedic in a Shakespearean sense, since you survived. I enjoyed the last bit of the exchange where you talk about how it’s hard being a vegan without being a communist sympathizer, lol. I think whenever you experience something like Laos or Colombia, it quickly becomes apparent that all the extremes are very bad (not to mention dangerous!). It kind of makes the milquetoast parties in Canada seem quite refreshing by comparison.

Malka

I was brought up in Communist Hungary in a small village by the Ukrainian border and can tell you from experience this story could have had a pretty ugly ending. What is your take on recent developments in Cuban leaderships now that Castro (finally) died?

Nov 20, 2016 at 8:04am

Buddhism: Ancient Meditation & Modern Misrepresentation.

“À-bas-ciel is recorded before a live, studio audience…”https://www.younow.com/EiselMazard

Nov 19, 2016 at 2:24pm

[Patreon-Exclusive] Vegan Isolation, Making Meat-Eating Friends & My Surreal Life in Asia.

Whoops… the first time I shared the link I forgot to include the “Patreon-Exclusive” heading/warning, and so I ended up posting this twice. The sense of exclusivity should, doubtless, enhance your viewing experience. And if you prefer to listen while you’re on the treadmill: behold the podcast version (MP3) attached.

Whoops… the first time I shared the link I forgot to include the “Patreon-Exclusive” heading/warning, and so I ended up posting this twice. The sense of exclusivity should, doubtless, enhance your viewing experience. And if you prefer to listen while you’re on the treadmill: behold the podcast version (MP3) attached.

Vegan Isolation, Making Meat-Eating Friends and My Surreal Life in Asia.mp3

Malka

I happen to know a male pro who enjoys it and the money from it. He pays tax in Germany out of his salary. Thats straight dope I dont pass judegement on him or how he makes a living.

Malka

Alec Android what did you and most of you signed up for and who made you these mysterious most of us’s advocate? Your comment disgust me deeply. I am not sorry for messing up your pretty sterile vegan landscape. You live in some lala land and talk to me as if you were in some elite club and everyone else the carnist nihilists are the scum of this earth. Guess what whether you signed up for it or not you have to share this place with me. Im more of a vegan than you ever will be for reasons Ive stated in other comments even if I eat 1 can of tuna a day and if you fuck with me more I raise my donation to a bas leciel.

Nov 19, 2016 at 11:22am

Vegan Politics: HOW TO GET ASS!!! (Critique and Comedy)

Yeah, I’m known for tackling the hard issues within veganism, and the grey areas that nobody wants to talk about… but the topic this time is “HOW TO GET ASS!”, and the video is not to be taken too seriously. Yes, if you want to hear about ass while you’re shopping for discount papayas, you can download the podcast version instead, attached as an MP3.

Yeah, I’m known for tackling the hard issues within veganism, and the grey areas that nobody wants to talk about… but the topic this time is “HOW TO GET ASS!”, and the video is not to be taken too seriously. Yes, if you want to hear about ass while you’re shopping for discount papayas, you can download the podcast version instead, attached as an MP3.

Vegan Politics, HOW TO GET ASS critique and comedy.mp3

Anastasia

“Eating cabbage can help your breast grow.” That’s just a vegan equivalent to eating chicken fat to get some bum fat (really though, I heard it so many times).

Art.of.War

Funny! I noticed that there’s actual software called T and A, which is used primarily for restaurant wait staff rostering and pay – because wait staff aren’t objectified enough already, lol.

Nov 18, 2016 at 1:23pm

[Other Voices:] The Last of the True Believers (2½ min.)

Below is the reply to her that I posted on the same youtube video (note that it had only thirty-seven views at the time I discovered it, and the channel had fewer than 300 subscribers). Durianrider has just a few true-believers holding on… and like true-believers in other faiths, they rely on “selective reading” and intentional ignorance. It is what it is. I’m not trying to pander to this audience. Sadly, not even Durianrider is trying to pander to this audience. In many ways, these people have been forsaken by everyone –even by the bike snobs of Chiang Mai.———-

Hi Fruit Angel: this is a sincere response, and I’ll message you privately, too. The reason why most people have stopped asking this question is that they already know the answer, and they’ve seen the answer: what I did with the money is exactly what I said I would do (and is exactly why people donated to the cause). I paid the law firm. The law firm then spoke to judges, filed a petition, and started a legal process (with paperwork, hearings, etc.) that is still ongoing. There’s nothing surprising about that. You could have written to me if, in fact, you wanted more information (but from this video, it seems that you never watched the (public) statements about the case on my own youtube channel, etc.). It really doesn’t make sense for you to defame me if you don’t have enough interest to actually watch the videos. If you think the legal process is slow, compare it to Hannah Chloe’s case (her paperwork started before mine). If you think that Durianrider tells the truth about this case… well… try sitting down and making a chart of how many issues Durianirder has been lying to you about (many of the lies he has, in fact, confessed to, at this point). In this video, you ask, “What’s the truth?”, but, in fact, you’re a person who hasn’t taken any interest in the truth: you haven’t even heard ONE side of the story, let alone two (e.g., you mention openly that you never even saw/read Durianrider’s allegations and threats against me… a significant part of the story, from Durianrider’s side… and that alone would alert you to the extent to which D.R. has indeed been lying to his audience). Cheers.

Below is the reply to her that I posted on the same youtube video (note that it had only thirty-seven views at the time I discovered it, and the channel had fewer than 300 subscribers). Durianrider has just a few true-believers holding on… and like true-believers in other faiths, they rely on “selective reading” and intentional ignorance. It is what it is. I’m not trying to pander to this audience. Sadly, not even Durianrider is trying to pander to this audience. In many ways, these people have been forsaken by everyone –even by the bike snobs of Chiang Mai.———-

Hi Fruit Angel: this is a sincere response, and I’ll message you privately, too. The reason why most people have stopped asking this question is that they already know the answer, and they’ve seen the answer: what I did with the money is exactly what I said I would do (and is exactly why people donated to the cause). I paid the law firm. The law firm then spoke to judges, filed a petition, and started a legal process (with paperwork, hearings, etc.) that is still ongoing. There’s nothing surprising about that. You could have written to me if, in fact, you wanted more information (but from this video, it seems that you never watched the (public) statements about the case on my own youtube channel, etc.). It really doesn’t make sense for you to defame me if you don’t have enough interest to actually watch the videos. If you think the legal process is slow, compare it to Hannah Chloe’s case (her paperwork started before mine). If you think that Durianrider tells the truth about this case… well… try sitting down and making a chart of how many issues Durianirder has been lying to you about (many of the lies he has, in fact, confessed to, at this point). In this video, you ask, “What’s the truth?”, but, in fact, you’re a person who hasn’t taken any interest in the truth: you haven’t even heard ONE side of the story, let alone two (e.g., you mention openly that you never even saw/read Durianrider’s allegations and threats against me… a significant part of the story, from Durianrider’s side… and that alone would alert you to the extent to which D.R. has indeed been lying to his audience). Cheers.

Alec Android

It’s sad to see so many people following Durianrider’s advice like “quantity not quality” and “be controversial” in the worst, least educated, least interesting, least honest and most anti-social way possible.

Genevieve Jackson

She’s a Johnny come lately.

Nov 18, 2016 at 9:22am

[Podcast:] Lawyers, Laos and Restaurant Activism: 1hr Conversation with Kiwi B.

This conversation contains the (lengthy!) narrative of how I almost got killed in Laos… I will definitely upload that as a separate file (podcast, video or both) in the near future. Otherwise, this is a broad-ranging conversation with an aspiring vegan activist (and an aspiring lawyer) from New Zealand, using the Youtube name “Kiwi Banana”: https://www.youtube.com/user/mizawizakizaNote that you can download the file at two different “bitrates”, one is at a higher sound-quality than the other (and, thus, has a much larger file-size).

This conversation contains the (lengthy!) narrative of how I almost got killed in Laos… I will definitely upload that as a separate file (podcast, video or both) in the near future. Otherwise, this is a broad-ranging conversation with an aspiring vegan activist (and an aspiring lawyer) from New Zealand, using the Youtube name “Kiwi Banana”: https://www.youtube.com/user/mizawizakizaNote that you can download the file at two different “bitrates”, one is at a higher sound-quality than the other (and, thus, has a much larger file-size).

à-bas-le-ciel talks to Kiwi B full audio.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel talks to Kiwi B HIGHER SOUND Q.mp3

Maddalena

I’ve never met a vegan in my life and i’ve never been to a vegan restaurant! I feel like I’ll have to get out of the French countryside someday :)))

Eisel Mazard

Well… I hear there’s a significant vegan scene in Berlin… and, of course, London U.K.

Melissa Renee

Re Jamaica: I went on a Caribbean cruise with my family when I was 12. At our stop in Jamaica we went ziplining and the main thing I remember is that when we were driving to the location in a janky bus, my mom was appalled to see a Jamaican guy taking a crap on the ground by the side of the road. Ziplining was memorable too I guess, haha. Re food truck: One of my dreams is to run a vegan food truck with my boyfriend. Maybe in like 20 years when I have a career where I can work part-time (I’m having doubts about a speech pathology career even though I’m almost done with the prerequisites for grad school because I reeeally don’t want to go to grad school, I might go into nursing or dental hygiene, Idk wtf I’m doing wooo! I’ve definitely considered law too, multiple times, but each time I’m like, f that). Anyway he’s an amazing cook, he worked from ages 16-25 as a cook & manager but it’s hard to survive on the earnings so he’s been working in a factory for a couple years now and is more financially stable, has good healthcare coverage, etc. I wish it weren’t so expensive to own a restaurant. That’s why food truck is the idea, but to have one you need a licensed kitchen anyway, and now I feel the idea is kinda played and I don’t think it would work in the winter time here (like half the year) so a restaurant is probably the better option. In the meantime I basically have a personal chef (I kid, I cook too, just not nearly as well).

Nov 18, 2016 at 9:12am

Mayim Bialik is NOT Vegan (Opposing Factory Farming is Not Enough, etc.)

Hey, in my biased opinion, I think this is an interesting and useful video (under 15 minutes long!)… I mean… some people think that my channel consists of nothing but vapid “hot or not” competitions with aspiring bikini models… but I promise you, it’s deeper than that…

ModVegan

This video made my day yesterday. I’d been researching rendering plants (Uggh) and this video was just what I needed to take my mind off the horror for a moment. It’s interesting that she cites modern farming as her reason for being vegan. Do you think she said that because she thought her audience would accept it? I wonder, because I have seen a lot of vegans talking about modern farming methods that way. The whole “kind killing” crap really gets on my nerves. At first when I saw the title I thought you were exaggerating about her not being a vegan, but I totally agree. She’s certainly not an ethical vegan. Anyway, I hope she sees your video!

Eisel Mazard

No, I think it reflects her (M.B.’s) pseudo-spiritual and pseudo-scientific view of the universe: she thinks of the world as something created _for_ humans, by her ever-so-vague “reinterpretation” of the Judaeo-Christian megademon. Her idea that at some remote point in the past, and at some remote point in the future, “things will be as they are supposed to be”, relies on theism; my perspective is that things are never as they are supposed to be, because there is no god to propose or suppose them as such.

Genevieve Jackson

I used to say the same things she did. I was raised by a mother who believed everything done 100 years ago was somehow superior, and nothing modern was good. It’s taken a lot to reprogram myself. This video really spoke to me.

Nov 17, 2016 at 3:06pm

The Coverage from Gawker Media & Jezebel

Above you can see what I presume to be my final e-mail to the journalist from Gawker/Jezebel. I really don’t know why they devoted the time/budget to covering “the vegan drama”, given what they finally published on the matter. The quality of her work, in my honest opinion, was extremely shoddy, and she told me that she had accidentally deleted her only copy of our interview (i.e., her own audio-recording) and thus needed to interview me a second time… something she never did. Of course, I wondered if this was just an excuse to interview me again, but… apparently not. She has not written to me since. I think her only interest was in establishing whether or not the court case was real… but it is remarkable to me that she thought the story was over as soon as it was (thus) proven to be real. One might have expected the opposite (more interest, not less).

Above you can see what I presume to be my final e-mail to the journalist from Gawker/Jezebel. I really don’t know why they devoted the time/budget to covering “the vegan drama”, given what they finally published on the matter. The quality of her work, in my honest opinion, was extremely shoddy, and she told me that she had accidentally deleted her only copy of our interview (i.e., her own audio-recording) and thus needed to interview me a second time… something she never did. Of course, I wondered if this was just an excuse to interview me again, but… apparently not. She has not written to me since. I think her only interest was in establishing whether or not the court case was real… but it is remarkable to me that she thought the story was over as soon as it was (thus) proven to be real. One might have expected the opposite (more interest, not less).

Alec Android

Good morning. I’m new here. Do you have any articles of videos simply listing all your favourite Patreon and YouTube accounts?

Eisel Mazard

That would be a short list.

Melissa Renee

You can’t expect much journalistic integrity from a Jezebel writer (can I expect much from ANY journalist these days? Journalism is dead, or else I may have pursued a career in it). Especially ones that write about things like this: 1) “‘I Did Not Go Down on Brittany’: Watching Vanderpump Rules Through My Despair” 2) “Support a Drag Queen Today” and 3) “How Are Your Poops?”

Joe Vaillancourt

Gawker media (now Gizmodo media, which Jezebel belongs to) is part of a larger problem of PR agents functioning as journalists. I think the ratio now is 4:1, pr to journalist respectively. Having not read those three exquisite articles myself, I guarantee “How Are Your Poops” sells something, and the Vanderpump rules writer(s) have received some network compensation for writing it (or it’s entirely sponsored by the network that made it). I don’t know what to think of the “Support a Drag Queen Today”, but I’m sure it’s shitty somehow considering how awful of a friend Gawker media is to LGBTQ community. Rarely do they ever write a good article. Weirdly enough, I was expecting a good, excoriating article because of the length of time it took from interview to publishing date, and their contempt for veganism.

Nov 16, 2016 at 3:10pm

ASOIAF: Teenage Tyrants, Not Heroes: Jon Snow and Daenerys

This one is over 30 minutes long, so you may want to avail yourself of the podcast version (MP3/audio-only) attached.

ASOIAF, Teenage Tyrants, Not Heroes, Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen.mp3

Nov 16, 2016 at 7:35am

ASOIAF: You Can’t Blame Cersei, You Have to Blame Stannis, Tyrion, etc.

Yeah, I forgot to post this here (in Patreon) because, frankly, I tend to think of the ASOIAF videos as if they belong to an entirely different website… but they don’t. Who knows… maybe my ASOIAF viewership will soon outnumber my vegan viewers (it’s a larger market!) and I’ll end up indirectly exposing the ASOIAF fans to a bunch of acrimonious disputes within veganism.

Yeah, I forgot to post this here (in Patreon) because, frankly, I tend to think of the ASOIAF videos as if they belong to an entirely different website… but they don’t. Who knows… maybe my ASOIAF viewership will soon outnumber my vegan viewers (it’s a larger market!) and I’ll end up indirectly exposing the ASOIAF fans to a bunch of acrimonious disputes within veganism.

Becca J

Interesting thoughts Eisel. I’m a screenwriter. One who is lucky enough to do it full time. In relation to ‘the one line fix’ of it all, another the thing I notice and greatly appreciate about the ASOIAF novels is Martin’s use of ‘mystery lines’. Which are exactly as they sound. A line, be it prose, dialogue or in scripts what we call ‘big print’ (the film version of stage directions – but so much more than that), that feels on the whole somewhat out of place. But if you look at it through your story microscope you can deduce that it is so loaded with either subtext or a subtle information plant that it’s brilliant. It gives the writer opportunity utmost freedom to decide when and how (if at all) to deliver on it. Great stuff. I can’t pretend to read/watch ASOIAF as politically closely as you, but from a pure craft standpoint it’s a joy.

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: the quality of writing in ASOIAF is inconsistent. It is possible that the books will (yet) disappoint us all. If we’re being honest, the quality of George’s writings in his Science Fiction career (prior to ASOIAF) is pretty low –sometimes passable, often poor– and he seems to be especially bad at endings. I think you can see George’s temptation to have an overly metaphysical ending, like his “Great Stone City” story… really the core of his whole 1000 Worlds universe, and yet (disappointingly) meaningless.

Nov 16, 2016 at 3:35am

Buddhist Philosophy, The Fundamental Flaw.

Only eleven minutes long! (You really need a synopsis?) I’ve attached the MP3, if you insist on hearing it in portable form.

Buddhist Philosophy, The Fundamental Flaw.mp3

Nov 15, 2016 at 4:35am

Talking about numbers: subscribers, viewers, etc., on Youtube

Hi Mike. The increase and decrease in subscribers is largely an illusion: Google refined their definition of who is (and who isn’t) a valid subscriber, resulting in many (many!) channels having declining numbers of subscribers. When I had 11,000 subscribers (as the stated number), the real number was 5,000 maximum –really just 2,000 regular viewers. If you look at the number of views per video, you’ll see that this is still true. Google has also tightened up the definition of what “a view” is, and I think this is a good thing: I think the numbers are now more accurate (and lower) on many channels. My real audience has not declined (and, conversely, it didn’t significantly grow because of D.R., either… I have looked at the stats to confirm this). Look at the list of my recent videos: if you want an indicative measurement of the size of my real audience, take a look at the total number of viewers for a video like “Sugar & Glue: Are Vegans Really Better Than Vegetarians?”. Those are my regular viewers for vegan-related content (I still have a few hundred who show up for my videos on Buddhism, believe it or not!). That’s the reality: I have a small audience, and many of them have jobs (etc.) so they definitely DO NOT watch every video, nor do they “tune in” every day (many of them visit only once per month!). Freelee wasn’t lying when she reflected (tearfully, as I recall?) on how google’s redefinition of a legit subscriber was reducing her numbers: the difference is, that I regard this as a good thing. My real number of subscribers (accurately measured) is probably lower than 5,000 –and, again, the views on non-controversial videos (after about one month online) give you a reasonable estimate of my audience’s size. To be clear: I am NOT complaining. Many, many youtube channels have over 10,000 (apparent) subscribers, but get 500-or-fewer viewers on a “normal” video (i.e., a video not linked to controversies, or not drawing viewers from other channels).

Hi Mike. The increase and decrease in subscribers is largely an illusion: Google refined their definition of who is (and who isn’t) a valid subscriber, resulting in many (many!) channels having declining numbers of subscribers. When I had 11,000 subscribers (as the stated number), the real number was 5,000 maximum –really just 2,000 regular viewers. If you look at the number of views per video, you’ll see that this is still true. Google has also tightened up the definition of what “a view” is, and I think this is a good thing: I think the numbers are now more accurate (and lower) on many channels. My real audience has not declined (and, conversely, it didn’t significantly grow because of D.R., either… I have looked at the stats to confirm this). Look at the list of my recent videos: if you want an indicative measurement of the size of my real audience, take a look at the total number of viewers for a video like “Sugar & Glue: Are Vegans Really Better Than Vegetarians?”. Those are my regular viewers for vegan-related content (I still have a few hundred who show up for my videos on Buddhism, believe it or not!). That’s the reality: I have a small audience, and many of them have jobs (etc.) so they definitely DO NOT watch every video, nor do they “tune in” every day (many of them visit only once per month!). Freelee wasn’t lying when she reflected (tearfully, as I recall?) on how google’s redefinition of a legit subscriber was reducing her numbers: the difference is, that I regard this as a good thing. My real number of subscribers (accurately measured) is probably lower than 5,000 –and, again, the views on non-controversial videos (after about one month online) give you a reasonable estimate of my audience’s size. To be clear: I am NOT complaining. Many, many youtube channels have over 10,000 (apparent) subscribers, but get 500-or-fewer viewers on a “normal” video (i.e., a video not linked to controversies, or not drawing viewers from other channels).

Dorney

Haha. This is actually my Italian friend, Simone. Mike[whatever] is his weird YouTube name. He lives in Cork in Ireland. We meet up a couple of times a week. We’re actually trying to build some sort of vegan community in Cork along with his girlfriend. It’s tough and slow but it feels fulfilling enough to try. I’m the friend who pointed him in your direction and he’s been liking it so far. By the way, Eisel, he wants more “positive” videos.

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: I think positive videos are like positive book-reviews, i.e., it depends on the book, it depends on the topic, it depends on the circumstances I’m talking about (etc.).

Genevieve Jackson

I like the reality. There is so much damn positivity washing these days. Or people telling one only to talk about “positive things.” Like no realistic or possibly negative humans ever accomplished anything?!! I would say that many people that say accomplish great things like great architecture, aren’t the types to think everything is great.

Nov 14, 2016 at 7:59am

Quitting Caffeine & Missing My Daughter: Two Types of Withdrawal.

Melissa Renee

Would a white noise machine/fan help you sleep better? Earplugs?

Augusto Guerrero

Yeah that’s a good idea.

Jacqueline Cohen

The shock of the election had me buying vegan rice krispies treats at whole foods.

Nov 14, 2016 at 4:19am

Anthropomorphism, Domestication (of Pets), etc.

Reply to a Patreon question.

Maddalena

Oh and perfect exemple of a bear with a broken leg. So you know my dog broke his leg (also because of his vegan diet), he got surgery, then he got sepsis, his leg had to be amputated, even that didn’t completely stop the infection and he went for 3 weeks of penicillin shots mornings and evenings at the clinic. At every stage of the process, I asked myself the question “how unnatural is this?”. If my dog was a dingo in the wild he would probably be dead by the first time he broke his leg! I’ve spent a fortune to take care of him because of course I love him as he’s under my responsibility since he’s a pet but I don’t think this is the right way and I certainly don’t want vegans to think this is the way to go with wild animals!! How will they be able to draw a line between what’s under human responsibility and what’s not? Are they going to spend thousands of dollars on every wounded wild animal? This is pure madness to me!

Eisel Mazard

Most large animals become extremely problematic when their lifespan is extended by living in human-provided comfort. This came up even in my (short) video discussing pigs (as household pets): if you have to replace an animal’s hip, if you have to perform surgery on its jaw, etc., at what point do you let the animal die? If you’re looking at a long succession of surgeries during an animal’s final year of life… and if it is a lifespan much longer than what it would have been in the wild… well, it’s a difficult decision that people have to make every day. At this point, killing the family dog is a normal trope in western culture: the animals are presumed to live for human entertainment, so it’s hardly surprising if/when they die for human convenience. I don’t think that any of the “abolitionists” really solve this problem, although they think they do: they claim that you have to treat the pig as equal to a human, and so the problem is “solved”. In practice, when you’re talking about a three-legged horse, or a three-legged bear (eating dead cows every day), etc. etc., it really isn’t so simple –although, for most people, poverty itself makes the question moot.

Melissa Renee

This summer I was walking in a neighborhood near my apartment at dusk. I saw a spot on the sidewalk and momentarily freaked out thinking it was a giant spider (my vision sucks) but when I took a closer look it was a small brown bat. I tried unsuccessfully for quite a while to move him with my shoe to the grass at least. When I would move him, he’d understandably get agitated and flail about but he couldn’t fly for some reason, and I didn’t want to pick him up and get rabies or something. A guy eventually came out of his house (he was probably thinking “what’s this weirdo doing outside my house staring at the sidewalk?”), I explained, he got a snow shovel, and we moved him to a rock. I googled bird rescuers to see if anything came up in the area but it didn’t seem promising. I felt like a bad vegan for not doing more but I guess that’s just the way things go. Best case scenario it could’ve been transported to a nearby forest, but it would’ve probably died anyway because it’s been separated from its family and wouldn’t know the new area. At least I moved it to the grass so that a biker didn’t just crush it. I think it’d be more dignified for the bat to die of starvation or predation than become sidewalk kill. If I was in the woods and saw a bat like that, I’d have let it be, of course. I agree completely that it’d be wrong to take a bear out of its natural habitat to be a 3-legged bear attraction, but if a bear wandered into a city and broke its leg somehow, I’d feel bad, somehow responsible. Hard to know what to do about animals that live in cities and are always at risk of getting run over, stuck in human constructs, etc.

Nov 14, 2016 at 2:29am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Reading Philosophy & NOT Reading Philosophy.

This is a reply to a question from a Patreon subscriber (about reading philosophy).

Maddalena

Uurghh i’m more shocked about “Immanuel Kant is garbage” than about every other statement you’ve ever make on your channel :))

Eisel Mazard

So I’ve finally managed to outrage you!

Nov 14, 2016 at 2:26am

[Patreon Exclusive] The Image of the Ringing Bell

A short reflection on how Buddhist Philosophy continues to influence my “discourse” on Veganism… and, yes, Freelee and a few other issues are also covered in these five minutes.

Maddalena

I know that when you were a Buddhist you didn’t believe in heaven/hell and probably every metaphysic concept but I’m just curious about how much “devotion” you had towards the Buddha? Did you have any sort of veneration? Would you kneel in front of a statue? Or did you just consider him like a respectful figure?

Eisel Mazard

I have a further video in mind on, “The Fundamental Flaw in Buddhist Philosophy”… I probably would have filmed it already (within the last 48 hours) if I weren’t falling asleep at strange times.

Melissa Renee

“I’d settle for a small town in Michigan going vegan” Yay, MI! I’m workin’ on it, Eisel…

Nov 13, 2016 at 10:40pm

#VeganCannibals (No, not to be taken seriously)

This video is A tribute and/or indictment from the mind of Jae Costly (Original title: “Eisel Mazard Is A Rabid Wolverine: The Top Heel of Vegan Drama”): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdV8ScPyJfgPL9mNxnCGgRw/videos

This video is A tribute and/or indictment from the mind of Jae Costly (Original title: “Eisel Mazard Is A Rabid Wolverine: The Top Heel of Vegan Drama”): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdV8ScPyJfgPL9mNxnCGgRw/videos

Nov 13, 2016 at 5:01am

[Vegan Kinderbuch:] Sogar Regenwürmer Wollen Den Himmel Sehen.

I just sent an e-mail to the translator, asking how she’d like to be credit/named (some translators prefer to remain anonymous, or pseudononymous), so I’ll publish the video after I hear back from her.

Nov 12, 2016 at 6:18pm

When Rappers Supported Trump and “Grab Them By The Pussy” Became a Political Slogan.

Title pending. I’ll sleep on it, but I’m really not sure what title to put on the video at this point. I’m pretty sure that every possible variation on “Grab Them by the Pussy” has been taken.

Art.of.War

Fun vid, lol. To be fair to 50 Cent, Nelly, Gucci Mani, etc., when they included Trump in their vids, it was way before he was running as President: to admire Trump for his business acumen and entertainment skills is quite different from endorsing his run for presidency (and the racist rhetoric that accompanied it).

Eisel Mazard

I adjusted the title “to be fair”: First, rappers supported Trump, then “Grab Them By The Pussy” became a slogan and a song.

Art.of.War

Nice! “In thinking, keep to the simple. In conflict, be fair and generous. In governing, don’t try to control.” (Lao Tzu) We can trust Trump to keep the thinking simple, at least.

Nov 12, 2016 at 9:35am

2nd Promo Clip for the “Dumb Vegan” Podcast

You guys should already know (but perhaps some of you missed it)… the complete podcast (MP3) has already been shared for Patreon-subscribers, here within Patreon. So you don’t have to waste your time with these short clips, shared via youtube, although I admit they add a visual element.

Nov 12, 2016 at 5:21am

DID I CROSS THE LINE? Freelee & Durianrider, Political Critique & Personal Defamation.

A lot of people genuinely do not know the information shared in this video: they hear, e.g., that I called Durianrider “insane”, and they’re not aware that actually addressed his own (specific) claims that he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia –and his claims that he has cured his own condition. That is, really, not the same as just insulting (or defaming) someone on the internet for being insane.

A lot of people genuinely do not know the information shared in this video: they hear, e.g., that I called Durianrider “insane”, and they’re not aware that actually addressed his own (specific) claims that he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia –and his claims that he has cured his own condition. That is, really, not the same as just insulting (or defaming) someone on the internet for being insane.

Nov 12, 2016 at 4:59am

I don’t respect my audience, I don’t respect your questions, and I don’t respect you

This could, instead, be titled, “On Transparency”.

Jacob Schröck

I wish, one day I could wake up, visit the patreon page and find a video of Eisel saying that he loves us and that we are the best. This talk really gave me a weird sharp pain somewhere deep under my big plant built left pec muscle. It’s all gone now, so it probably wasn’t really serious.

Eisel Mazard

[I know you’re joking around, but still:] When I say I’ve got love for people, I mean that, too! The praise would be meaningless if it applied to everyone equally!

Anastasia

I don’t necessarily think that the issue is with expectation of transparency. It has more to do with a sense of entitlement. (If they pay you, paid you before, will pay you, are thinking about paying you etc.) At any time you are expected to reply to calls/messages, provide some extra service free of charge, and patiently answer any unrelated questions. The audacity….

Eisel Mazard

The particular woman who complained was, also, influenced by Vegan Cheetah’s peculiar philosophy… that largely serves to justify his denouncing anyone who displeases him even slightly as (supposedly) concealing some dark secret (e.g., Vegan Lass / Lauryn Phoenix, etc.).

Nov 11, 2016 at 4:28pm

Meanwhile, on Youtube… (The Dumb Vegan Podcast in Video Format)

Patreon subscribers can download the whole podcast (unedited) as a single MP3 (already posted), but, meanwhile, I will be uploading some segments (edited) to Youtube.

Nov 11, 2016 at 2:11pm

[Podcast:] The “Dumb Vegan” Experience (Unedited, Complete Conversation)

Another hour-and-a-half of quality content for my Patreon subscribers (in case you were lacking the necessary level of distraction while you were on the treadmill at the gym). This is a 100% unedited version (e.g., at two points, I briefly repeat myself, because we were interrupted for just a few seconds). Although I do think the conversation covers many topics of interest, I think the one “warning” here is that we do talk about youtube itself, and this may be boring to people who really have no interest in youtube qua youtube (i.e., it’s understandable that you don’t want to hear people on youtube talking about the meaning of being on youtube). So, with that warning having been stated (i.e., some of you may need to hit the fast-forward button once in a while, if this exceeds your tolerance for such reflections).

Another hour-and-a-half of quality content for my Patreon subscribers (in case you were lacking the necessary level of distraction while you were on the treadmill at the gym). This is a 100% unedited version (e.g., at two points, I briefly repeat myself, because we were interrupted for just a few seconds). Although I do think the conversation covers many topics of interest, I think the one “warning” here is that we do talk about youtube itself, and this may be boring to people who really have no interest in youtube qua youtube (i.e., it’s understandable that you don’t want to hear people on youtube talking about the meaning of being on youtube). So, with that warning having been stated (i.e., some of you may need to hit the fast-forward button once in a while, if this exceeds your tolerance for such reflections).

DUMB VEGAN, the whole damn podcast, à-bas-le-ciel.mp3

Jordan D

enjoyed this very much, thanks for making my life less boring.

Nov 11, 2016 at 8:04am

Book review delayed… until I can actually get the book.

Uh… I’ve mentioned this book repeatedly on youtube… and I ordered a copy online (a few weeks ago?)… but, as I’ve mentioned repeatedly under other headings lately, life in China can be unpredictable. The book disappeared in transit, I got a refund, but I now have no way to get a copy (that I know of). Maybe it’s available as an ebook, extext, etc., or I’ll somehow figure out another method… but this is a rare example of an “upcoming event” that I actually hyped (on the channel) that now seems to be cancelled. In related news, I spent an hour in the bank today, spent four and a half hours getting a new internet setup (and new e-mail account) a few days ago, and have spent countless hours dealing with paperwork pursuant to my (presumed) new job in the days in-between (and still this morning, TBH). So, yes, in some ways my life here is shockingly normal, but in some ways it remains unpredictable.

Uh… I’ve mentioned this book repeatedly on youtube… and I ordered a copy online (a few weeks ago?)… but, as I’ve mentioned repeatedly under other headings lately, life in China can be unpredictable. The book disappeared in transit, I got a refund, but I now have no way to get a copy (that I know of). Maybe it’s available as an ebook, extext, etc., or I’ll somehow figure out another method… but this is a rare example of an “upcoming event” that I actually hyped (on the channel) that now seems to be cancelled. In related news, I spent an hour in the bank today, spent four and a half hours getting a new internet setup (and new e-mail account) a few days ago, and have spent countless hours dealing with paperwork pursuant to my (presumed) new job in the days in-between (and still this morning, TBH). So, yes, in some ways my life here is shockingly normal, but in some ways it remains unpredictable.

Nov 11, 2016 at 7:57am

The Simile of Sleepwalking (& Stannis Baratheon)

The moment captured in the thumbnail makes this seem like the video is going to be a barrel of laughs… but, in fact, I’m not joking around in this video at all (it has an especially ashen, nihilistic tone). [The MP3 (audio-only version) is also attached.]

The Simile of Sleepwalking (and Stannis Baratheon).mp3

Nov 11, 2016 at 12:56am

[Patreon Exclusive?] Jealousy, Envy, Psychology, Fame: About Me, and About Veganism.

I’m not sure (really, I’m genuinely unsure) if this one should be a Patreon-exclusive or not. I’ll give it some thought.

Melissa Renee

I’m jealous of your inability to feel jealousy. I don’t see any positives in that characteristic.

Eisel Mazard

I dunno… it must motivate people to work hard at some really meaningless tasks (perhaps playing sports, or wearing fancy clothing, etc., is a good example).

Augusto Guerrero

What philosophy books would you recommend for someone who doesn’t know much about philosophy?

Eisel Mazard

MmmmMMmm… I should probably make a short video in response to this question.

Nov 10, 2016 at 5:21pm

Violence and Veganism: The Slippery Slope.

“First, they tell you to wear a mask…”Sorry, no MP3 yet: I’ll upload an audio-only version tomorrow (for those who prefer podcasts).

Melissa Renee

I know this show gets a lot of hate, but one of the reasons I love The Walking Dead is because the viewer sees how suffering changes people in unexpected ways.

Eisel Mazard

I know about that ONLY because one well-known critic of ASOIAF (“Game of Thrones”) has commented on it (in contrast to ASOIAF). It is, generally, a very interesting theme that is rarely treated in literature or fiction, just because it requires a plot that spans many years.

Tyler Woodward

You know during the reading of a private members bill for new animal cruelty laws in Canada, an MP who didn’t like the bill cited animal rights activists in AB who apparently still today will follow farmers everywhere as an intimidation tactic, take photos, phone them and threaten their life if they don’t stop raising cows (Couldn’t think of literally anything else I guess ), etc. They aren’t helping any of us, or the animals…

Nov 10, 2016 at 1:12pm

The Alleged Love Triangle (Julia, Durianrider & Me) That Never Was.

[MP3/audio-only version attached, but you may find it difficult to follow, as this video includes visual elements.] I think that most of my Patreon subscribers will find this one boring (as you already know the story?)… but, amazingly, the “drama industry” has kept this tale in circulation, and, in fact, it has circulated widely enough (for long enough) that people have started to forget the original facts, and to regard some of the fictions as familiar.

[MP3/audio-only version attached, but you may find it difficult to follow, as this video includes visual elements.] I think that most of my Patreon subscribers will find this one boring (as you already know the story?)… but, amazingly, the “drama industry” has kept this tale in circulation, and, in fact, it has circulated widely enough (for long enough) that people have started to forget the original facts, and to regard some of the fictions as familiar.

The Alleged Love Triangle (Julia, Durianrider and Myself) That Never Was.mp3

Nov 10, 2016 at 1:14am

“Chase Your Dreams” = BAD ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR.

MP3 version attached, for the cynical vegan on the move.

Chase Your Dreams = BAD ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR.mp3

Nov 9, 2016 at 11:15am

Laugh or Cry, Not Gonna Lie: Veganism is a Disaster, ATM.

Because the only thing worse than phony pessimism is phony optimism.

Olivia

Wow, for me watching your channel is like a breathe of fresh air and normality compared to 99% of YouTube which is staged, scripted and unbelievably annoying.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks: I’m the first person to admit that my content is “not for everybody”, however, it seems to be difficult for others to admit that it’s “not for nobody”.

Jessica

I vote for this valley girl accent more often In this sad time, this laugh was much-needed. Just beeee yourself, Eisel — it’s cool.

Eisel Mazard

Why would I be myself when I can be a pastiche of well-known stereotypes?

Nov 9, 2016 at 9:44am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Trump’s Victory and the Decline of Political Science as a Discipline

I may make some other public statement on Trump (on youtube) in future, but this one will remain “private”. However, don’t let this excite you overmuch: my reflections are unusually academic here.

Alec Android

Christians have a long history of supporting the hedonistic sins of leaders and even supporting sexual crimes against children more than they support women in power, liberals and abortion. But fair Christians and decent non-Christians alike cannot support the continuation of the policies voted for, campaigned for and ordered by the Clintons that have killed millions of people (including Christians and good Samaritans) in Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Sudan, Haiti, Honduras, the Ukraine, Yugoslavia and elsewhere in the Asia, Africa, Central and South America and Eastern Europe with bombings, mercenaries and sanctions. More important than Trump’s admissions and the allegations against him is the relevance of the bigotry of nationalism in election propaganda. USian Democrats dramatically lament all of the possible future USian victims of Trump, while refusing to acknowledge the millions of non-USians who have already been killed by imperialists like the Clintons and their underlings, along with the Clintons’ Trump-like positions on most domestic issues. What do you think of vegans campaigning for political parties like the Democrats, who wholeheartedly support meat capitalism, on the basis of lesser evilism, and their campaigning for other non-vegan parties like the Greens who tacitly support the consumption of local and “sustainable” animal parts?

jack’s Afer effort

One of the running criticisms that fans of Bruins hockey have towards the Montreal Canadiens franchise is their supposed unwillingness to hire a head coach who is not french speaking. In fact it is commonplace for fans and sports radio personalities to propose dumb trades with the Habs based largely on the fact that the Bruins player in question is Francois.

Nov 9, 2016 at 8:05am

How to contact me in China (from now on)

There can be no doubt that the #1 way to contact me is within Patreon itself (in terms of written messages, comments, etc.) –I do receive and read EVERY message within Patreon (to be honest, comments are more easily read than “private messages”). However, sometimes you people need to use e-mail (e.g., the translators for various projects need to send and receive files, etc.)… so, as part of my adjustment to the current censorship regime, this is my new e-mail address. Please note that this e-mail will be censored by the Chinese government, so it is possible that some messages will disappear if they include enough of the wrong “key-words” (back in 2008, I saw this in praxis: e-mails disappearing, people using code-words for sensitive subjects to avoid the problem, etc.).

There can be no doubt that the #1 way to contact me is within Patreon itself (in terms of written messages, comments, etc.) –I do receive and read EVERY message within Patreon (to be honest, comments are more easily read than “private messages”). However, sometimes you people need to use e-mail (e.g., the translators for various projects need to send and receive files, etc.)… so, as part of my adjustment to the current censorship regime, this is my new e-mail address. Please note that this e-mail will be censored by the Chinese government, so it is possible that some messages will disappear if they include enough of the wrong “key-words” (back in 2008, I saw this in praxis: e-mails disappearing, people using code-words for sensitive subjects to avoid the problem, etc.).

Nov 8, 2016 at 12:52pm

My access to the internet is becoming… unpredictable.

I’m still living in Kunming, but in the last few days, my ability to use “the real internet” (i.e., youtube, etc.) has become unpredictable. One of the reasons why I’ve uploaded so much recently (i.e., apart from the joy of it) was the fear that my ability to upload might soon disappear… or change in character. When I leave Kunming, obviously, things will change (no, I don’t know HOW they’ll change)… but even as I’ve been rooted to the same desk during these months, conditions actually do change from week to week. When I look at articles from professionals on the issue, they basically warn of the same thing: none of the solutions are reliable, in any given month, conditions can shift. I am now looking at opening a new e-mail account (as I may lose access to my old accounts) and I’m looking at new “work-arounds”, etc., but it has always been a bit hilarious to me that some of my detractors claimed that this Patreon page was “a scam”, because I could (apparently) continue uploading to youtube. The truth is, SOMETIMES I can upload to youtube, and the factors controlling when and how I can use these websites remain unknowable (and unpredictable) for me.

I’m still living in Kunming, but in the last few days, my ability to use “the real internet” (i.e., youtube, etc.) has become unpredictable. One of the reasons why I’ve uploaded so much recently (i.e., apart from the joy of it) was the fear that my ability to upload might soon disappear… or change in character. When I leave Kunming, obviously, things will change (no, I don’t know HOW they’ll change)… but even as I’ve been rooted to the same desk during these months, conditions actually do change from week to week. When I look at articles from professionals on the issue, they basically warn of the same thing: none of the solutions are reliable, in any given month, conditions can shift. I am now looking at opening a new e-mail account (as I may lose access to my old accounts) and I’m looking at new “work-arounds”, etc., but it has always been a bit hilarious to me that some of my detractors claimed that this Patreon page was “a scam”, because I could (apparently) continue uploading to youtube. The truth is, SOMETIMES I can upload to youtube, and the factors controlling when and how I can use these websites remain unknowable (and unpredictable) for me.

Melissa Renee

Thanks for managing to upload all your content despite the difficulty accessing “the real internet.” IIRC, when I first joined Patreon you were saying you may not be able to upload anymore after you moved, but I decided that it was worth it to “pay back” all the hours of content that I’d watched. I’m still cool with being a patron even if you can’t upload for a while. Keep on truckin’.

Eisel Mazard

At this time, Melissa, I think I will be able to continue using Youtube and Patreon… but I will stop using Facebook entirely (not much of a loss!) and I may adjust the way I’m using the internet… live-streaming may already be impossible (I’ll try and find out the hard way). The absolute worst-case scenario would be that Patreon (and some obscure Chinese-only video-hosting site) becomes my only contact with “the outside world”… and while that would be terrible in some ways, it would be fascinating in others!

NotKurtis

EM 2017: “All online vegans are idiots; all vegans should die: I moved to China to get away from them”

Eisel Mazard

I know you’re joking around, but I was way more isolated in Canada than I am here. Strange but true.

Nov 8, 2016 at 1:36am

[Not new, still salient:] Veganism: Don’t Debate the Details.

This is an old video, but, in my mind at least, it is worthwhile to post this link to Patreon (as if it were new!) in following up on some of the questions of practical philosophy just discussed. DISCLAIMER: I was extremely ill when I recorded this video (so I’m extra-hideous) and you may notice that one eye is blood red, while the other is white, in addition to my overall unhealthy appearance in this take.

This is an old video, but, in my mind at least, it is worthwhile to post this link to Patreon (as if it were new!) in following up on some of the questions of practical philosophy just discussed. DISCLAIMER: I was extremely ill when I recorded this video (so I’m extra-hideous) and you may notice that one eye is blood red, while the other is white, in addition to my overall unhealthy appearance in this take.

Leslie

Socratic method ftw. Those conversations are so much more meaningful and memorable. If you debate the details, people won’t remember most of the details anyway. Maybe someone will come out with the vegan version of A Manual for Creating Atheists. I’ll make it through all of the videos someday… you’ve got a few. Thanks for the link!

Jackson Willows

Thanks dude!

Nov 7, 2016 at 6:16pm

Vegan Mind Tricks: Debating “Intrinsic” and “Inherent” Evil.

Vegan Mind Tricks, Debating Intrinsic and Inherent Evil.mp3

Melissa Renee

I don’t feel strongly one way or another. I liked it though, and maybe someone not on Patreon would too. Pet peeve re: “social constructs” talk- when people say “societal norms.” Just say SOCIAL norms, not SOCIETAL.

Leslie

There has been a recent push towards street epistemology in atheism, and it’s working better than any other approach I have seen. Being able to ask the right kind of questions, like the ones you suggested, to guide the conversation in a direction that at least plants the seed without being off-putting would do so much more good in the vegan community than the majority of activism I have seen so far.

Eisel Mazard

I talked about that stuff on my channel a RELATIVELY long time ago… maybe I should post a link to an example (as a “new” post within Patreon)…

Nov 7, 2016 at 1:54pm

COWARDS ON YOUTUBE: Why I Hate Vegans.

[Note: MP3 version attached, for those who prefer to listen while ironing the curtains… but, TBH, this one benefits from seeing the hand-gestures.]

Circa two months ago I made a WAY LESS OFFENSIVE video on closely related themes, and (remarkably) it is only 8 minutes long, so I’d encourage you to also click through to: “For the Future of the Cause: Why Would Anyone “Do” Youtube?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugYWMvDRmvs

Let’s keep it real: most of you have no idea what I’m talking about when I say, “The Four Tops”, so here’s a link for that, too: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+four+tops

[Note: MP3 version attached, for those who prefer to listen while ironing the curtains… but, TBH, this one benefits from seeing the hand-gestures.]

Circa two months ago I made a WAY LESS OFFENSIVE video on closely related themes, and (remarkably) it is only 8 minutes long, so I’d encourage you to also click through to: “For the Future of the Cause: Why Would Anyone “Do” Youtube?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugYWMvDRmvs

Let’s keep it real: most of you have no idea what I’m talking about when I say, “The Four Tops”, so here’s a link for that, too: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+four+tops

COWARDS ON YOUTUBE, Why I Hate Vegans.mp3

Jordan D

loving all the recent vids you’ve been smashing out Eisel, even though i dont comment as much anymore im still always watching

ModVegan

Loved it. Thanks for truly keeping it real.

Eisel Mazard

I’ll say it again: in 2016… I have more offensive content than Vegan Gains!

Nov 7, 2016 at 10:18am

[Other vocies:] Street Activism with Cupcakes & V.R. [2 min.]

Hey… it’s only two minutes long, you really need a synopsis? This is a variation on the already-familiar methods of showing pro-vegan films to strangers. I’d note that nobody sees the film accidentally with this method, i.e., people choose to put the headset on (unlike a massive screen they might walk past, etc.).

Hey… it’s only two minutes long, you really need a synopsis? This is a variation on the already-familiar methods of showing pro-vegan films to strangers. I’d note that nobody sees the film accidentally with this method, i.e., people choose to put the headset on (unlike a massive screen they might walk past, etc.).

Melissa Renee

I’m gonna share this with two of my newly vegan friends. I’d love to do this. Thanks. Btw, just saw this article: http://pigeonsandplanes.com/news/2016/11/rza-vegan-leather-wallets-pineapple-leaves if you can’t tell from the URL, the title is “RZA Is Manufacturing Vegan Leather Wallets Made From Pineapple Leaves”

Tyler Woodward

Myself and a group of good for nothing vegans who have a club at some university in South western ontario colaboorated with an animal save to show people the same thing with VR. They paid people 5 bucks and a vegan cookie if they got through all 7 minutes. Then, we would convince people to sign up for a challenge next week, where they mark down how many of their meals were vegan or vegetarian. They can enter that ballot to win 1 of over $500 dollars in vegan related (or at least interesting) prizes from local businesses that we convinced to join us. We’re going to be running vegan dinners every night next week, sending out recipes, etc. It was amazing to see some peoples reactions, whether their reaction was lipservice I guess is another question, but I thought I saw some genuine reactions from people, who said they weren’t going to eat pork again, etc. The only issue was we got some pushback and drama from agricultural majors… It’s a farm town. The people from the animal save got too aggressive once or twice, and I’m some what worried that someone is going to complain and crack the whip on us (IE, if they committed harassment under university guidelines that allows us to book a table in the main building) . I suggested to the group that we could always do our own, much like the other video you posted below, with little “Polling booths” and laptops+ headphones.

Eisel Mazard

Wow… great to hear it. I’m surprised at the economics of your scheme: $5 per viewer is real money. I’d be interested to know what percentage of people stop before the 7 minutes elapse, thus limiting the cost.

Nov 6, 2016 at 3:12pm

[Patreon Exclusive:] Learning Languages & Doomed Gym Romance.

Absolutely nobody has complained that I’ve uploaded too little this weekend, this week, or this month (the uploading has been a bit excessive, hm?)… but here are some reflections on language-learning, culture, and (yep) my sex life.

Nick Knowles

I wish i was an apathetic asshole Cassanova dude who could just pick up women, screw them, and live recklessly. But no, I’m a more virtuous and have to settle for respect and high standards… hopefully it’ll be worth it.

Eisel Mazard

It’s impossible for me: the last time I “picked up” a woman (i.e., started a conversation with a complete stranger) we had profound and meaningful conversations for the next six hours.

Malka

4 months is a long time but sounds like you didnt get too far. Why dont you stick to your original idea and start at the basics: food and sex and just go from there. Maybe she s a good cook and good in bed and you can encourage her to read books. Start with the Kama Sutra :-))

Nov 6, 2016 at 3:09pm

My first video on ASOIAF / Game of Thrones / George R.R. Martin

Yep, some of you will be shocked, but if you watch the video, the first few minutes explain fairly well why I’m interested in this particular (compendious) work of fiction –i.e., before I broach the specific issue of interpretation stated in the title (“Preston Jacobs is 100% WRONG on ‘Seven Times Never Kill Man’”).

Yep, some of you will be shocked, but if you watch the video, the first few minutes explain fairly well why I’m interested in this particular (compendious) work of fiction –i.e., before I broach the specific issue of interpretation stated in the title (“Preston Jacobs is 100% WRONG on ‘Seven Times Never Kill Man’”).

Juliana Cohen

Ha, I wasn’t shocked because you’ve actually mentioned ASOIAF before but just in passing

Eva Weiß

Now I really want to read those books too!

As someone who reads a lot of fiction I did not have any interest in starting to read ASOIAF so far, especially after every one else seems to have read it/to watch the series. What I heard from friends just did not spark my interest. I read too many thick novels in my youth with peoples sex lives in difficult times/war as main theme. And shouldn’t a good author also be able to tell a good story in a single book?

Anyway, I will throw all of my suspicions aside and try to find Book 1 in the library once I get back to Germany. And then I will be looking forward to hearing more of your comments.

Eisel Mazard

Eva, to be honest, you might want to start with book 3 (not book 1). That is both flattering and insulting to the series, I suppose.

Nov 6, 2016 at 3:07pm

USE SOAP, YOU IDIOTS: Why I Hate Vegans.

The miracle is that I managed to deliver the content of this video in under an hour (it is MERELY fourteen minutes long). This is also another strange instance in which my recent content is WAY MORE OFFENSIVE than Vegan Gains… or, at least, more offensive than what V.G. has been uploading recently. Here’s the description from the youtube video itself, pasted for your convenience:—–

It’s amazing that anyone would consider this controversial in the 21st century, but within the digital demimonde, IT DEFINITELY IS. I can’t recall Unnatural Vegan* taking on this one (i.e., though she was bold enough to tackle Splenda, risking the righteous ire of HHV [Happy, Healthy Vegan])… and, yes, there was a time when Freelee vocally encouraged her followers to give up using soap entirely, because (she claimed) her diet resulted in your entire body becoming “self-cleaning”.

* Credit where it is due: although I don’t think she dealt with the overall anti-soap mythology, U.V. did tackle the “anti-shampoo” idea, specifically, a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6DIs…

The miracle is that I managed to deliver the content of this video in under an hour (it is MERELY fourteen minutes long). This is also another strange instance in which my recent content is WAY MORE OFFENSIVE than Vegan Gains… or, at least, more offensive than what V.G. has been uploading recently. Here’s the description from the youtube video itself, pasted for your convenience:—–

It’s amazing that anyone would consider this controversial in the 21st century, but within the digital demimonde, IT DEFINITELY IS. I can’t recall Unnatural Vegan* taking on this one (i.e., though she was bold enough to tackle Splenda, risking the righteous ire of HHV [Happy, Healthy Vegan])… and, yes, there was a time when Freelee vocally encouraged her followers to give up using soap entirely, because (she claimed) her diet resulted in your entire body becoming “self-cleaning”.

* Credit where it is due: although I don’t think she dealt with the overall anti-soap mythology, U.V. did tackle the “anti-shampoo” idea, specifically, a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6DIs…

Melissa Renee

Thanks for the lulz

Juliana Cohen

That’s some nasty shit use Bronners like the bare minimum hippies do

Nov 6, 2016 at 2:42am

[Patreon Exclusive:] ADVICE (for white women) ON THAILAND

Immediately after this was recorded (live-streaming on Younow), several people followed up with questions about how this advice would apply to a non-white tourist in Thailand, and, thus, to misc. reflections on racism within Thailand. This video is, definitely, advice for white women (considering going to Thailand).

Immediately after this was recorded (live-streaming on Younow), several people followed up with questions about how this advice would apply to a non-white tourist in Thailand, and, thus, to misc. reflections on racism within Thailand. This video is, definitely, advice for white women (considering going to Thailand).

Alexa

Any thoughts/advice re: Malaysia (since you mention it in passing)?

Eisel Mazard

Carthago est delenda. The people who “like” Malaysia all have absurd excuses for living in apartheid conditions there (e.g., the apartheid-like separation of the Chinese from the Malays, etc.). CNN wants to pretend that Malaysia is a success story, because it is less of a disaster than countries the U.S. is currently bombing. Sad.

Juliana Cohen

This video is fascinating and incredibly accurate– I went with my family to Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam some years back, and I wasn’t in charge of the travel planning, but there were times when I’d leave the hotel and wander around town as a teenage white girl in big cities and little towns, and it’s remarkable how politically neuter the travel industry can make all those SE Asian countries appear to be. Of course you get short bursts of reality, but as you said, the outdoor experiences can be replicated in Western countries

Juliana Cohen

DR is really unaware about the way his white body moves through spaces. You can see it when he films videos in public Thai spaces

Nov 6, 2016 at 2:27am

(My own video, an indirect response to:) VEGAN DRAMA BURN BOOK

No, you do not need to know/watch the video that this is indirectly responding to. Really.

Nov 5, 2016 at 4:59pm

It’s realer than flip flop: “Dumb Vegan” is what we deserve.

I actually can’t name another youtube channel (of any size) that takes the time to promote new-and-unknown vegans on youtube: this guy “Dumb Vegan” evidently puts a ton of work into his videos, and he was reaching circa 100 viewers (per video) before I decided to splice together this promo for him. No, I can’t offer him a huge audience (in redirecting traffic from à-bas-le-ciel), but I can imagine that if I were in his position, I’d appreciate the promotion… and, really, I don’t know any other channels that take the time to do what I do, in this respect. (It’s a long, long list of channels that I’ve promoted, one way or another, some of them have remained obscure, and some of them have found a significant audience, after my promotion of them… but I do wonder why there isn’t more love in the game, frankly.)

I actually can’t name another youtube channel (of any size) that takes the time to promote new-and-unknown vegans on youtube: this guy “Dumb Vegan” evidently puts a ton of work into his videos, and he was reaching circa 100 viewers (per video) before I decided to splice together this promo for him. No, I can’t offer him a huge audience (in redirecting traffic from à-bas-le-ciel), but I can imagine that if I were in his position, I’d appreciate the promotion… and, really, I don’t know any other channels that take the time to do what I do, in this respect. (It’s a long, long list of channels that I’ve promoted, one way or another, some of them have remained obscure, and some of them have found a significant audience, after my promotion of them… but I do wonder why there isn’t more love in the game, frankly.)

Ben Robertson

Hey Eisel, after watching a considerable amount of your videos after recently discovering you following your response to VG getting married, I was excited to support you on Patreon. Love from Australia

Nov 5, 2016 at 8:46am

Real Animal-Lovers Don’t Own Animals, Don’t Raise Animals, Don’t Keep Animals.

“Because a cage is a cage is a cage.” This is only seven minutes long, but I’m providing a podcast version anyway (MP3 attached), for the vegan on the long commute to work.

Real Animal-Lovers Don’t Own Animals, Don’t Raise Animals, because a cage is a cage is a cage.mp3

Olivia

I completely agree with you on the subject, however I just don’t ever see this becoming a reality (in the near future anyway). Just consider the amount of hatred Eisel got a couple of months back, from vegans themselves(!) on how controversial this viewpoint is. Just image the kind of backlash that the mainstream (“dog-loving”) public would administer. How do suggest to mitigate this? Dog tax? Increasing the legal work involved, so one has to apply to be a domestic pet owner? (In a world were a blanket ban of domesticated animals would possibly never eventuate) …..

Jessica

Hmm… I’m starting to wonder: shouldn’t I hate you? Shouldn’t you hate me (especially because I drink Lipton tea, a.k.a. the most unsnobbish, basic tea around, :D)? Is this the mysterious generosity of spirit at work? Lol The heart of this message is vegan. I can admit that you’re a better vegan and animal lover than me. I agree with you in principle, but I struggle with the practical aspects. And I don’t know what to do with my instincts to nurture, protect, care for animals, etc.; for example, I’m not okay with euthanizing young and healthy animals — it emotionally kills me. Do you subscribe to the idea that nonhuman animals are innocent?

Nov 4, 2016 at 4:58pm

The Principle of the Thing: My Legal Case & Vegan Youtube Itself.

Approximately the first 10 minutes concerns the legal case with Durianrider, but the video then launches into “philosophizing” about “the principle of the thing”, and what we’re all doing here on youtube anyway –as viewers, as videographers, as vegans.

Melissa Renee

Hey, is it possible for you to link to that podcast with The Amazing Atheist so I don’t have to scroll through all the posts? Or maybe just tell me in which month it was posted so that I can scroll through a specific month? That was before I was on Patreon and I’d like to listen to it.

Eisel Mazard

Hm? Melissa, you may have misinterpreted what I said: The Amazing Atheist has never co-operated with me (has never done a podcast with me).

Patrick Thomas

Saw Durian Rider (Harley) at the Adelaide vegan festival today. Quite sad seeing what he has become this last year.

Eisel Mazard

Somebody told me (in e-mail, or some equivalent form of communication) that he was actually “blocked” from being one of the presenters at the event. Apparently they didn’t blacklist him entirely if they let him in the door… but, obviously, many of the speakers at the event are less famous than he is (etc.). But hey: some men want fame, some men want virtue… and some men want to fuck a whole gang of anonymous groupies. Just look how that turned out for Bill Clinton.

Nov 3, 2016 at 3:27pm

Ecology vs. Buddhism: Seeing Politics in 10,000 Years of Context.

This is 25 minutes long, so you may want to consider the option of downloading the MP3 (audio-only/podcast) version (just click on the file-name).

Ecology vs. Buddhism, Seeing Politics in 10,000 Years of Context.mp3

hirondelle

[sorry, originally posted on the wrong video – patreon can be so confusing lol] I really enjoyed this. I have lived in Thailand some time (not a permanent vacation, I promise haha) and it completely aligns with everything I have experienced. It is interesting to watch people visit Thailand and see the Buddhism they imagine rather than the one that is practised. I think you have to stay here a while to see the contradictions and subtitles. Like you say it is capable of change – the work of Dhammananda Bhikkhuni is a case in point http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-07-05/thailand-s-top-female-monk-hacked-system-bring-women-fold

Alena

You mentioned elitism of Buddhism and have a video talking about how a powerful vegan elite is needed to achieve real changes in legislation and real world. I had a silly thought of vegans embracing satanism and trying to convert free massons to veganism I don’t know much about them.. veganism is about justice and goodness, complete opposite of satanism, they are about suffering and destruction. At the same time they are about controlling the elites, the whole world. We need them to be vegan. Is it totally absurd? I watched your recent video where a woman lied to you about the dumplings.. I can relate to many points you made in that video, I think EVERY vegan can relate to something in that video. I have felt despised as a vegan whether in real life or on social media. It hurts when you mention something as important as veganism to intelligent people you respect and look up to and they brush it off as something annoying, unworthy, fanatical, abnormal… The planet is being destroyed, millions of animals suffer and die this very second and they brush it off. When you become aware of the reality, it haunts you… in daily life, in public places when you are among the overwhelming majority who don’t know, don’t care. I think about the future and I’m really worried as a parent. It’s scary and a burden, going day after day like this feeling helpless. I do feel the desire to have some political power so that to make other people respect veganism, count with us and to achieve real outcomes. I look forward to vegans getting more political in the Western world.

Eisel Mazard

Short answer (to a message that raises many issues): being honest about elitism is important in politics. Local (city-hall) politics involve elitism. Even labor-union activism involves elitism. Running a hospital or a retirement home involves elitism. Education involves elitism. Being honest about it can limit/avoid some of the worst aspects of elitism. And not all forms of elitism reward money directly: in Canada most of our political parties rely on a small number of people who are idle enough to actually attend conferences (a tiny minority of party-membership). Right now, Youtube thrives on a sort of elitism that rewards people who have tons of free time: anyone with a normal, full-time job would be at a huge disadvantage.

Nov 3, 2016 at 3:08pm

Zoopolis: a NON-VEGAN Political Theory of Animal Rights

Keeping it real, most of you will want to “fact check” what exactly this book says about eating chicken-eggs, so here’s the link: https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=LLE3UEe5LMoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=zoopolis&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=chicken%20eggs&f=false Honestly, when I look at just at how poorly-argued that one page of text is… well, I think I was way too flattering to this book, even in my denunciation of it.

Keeping it real, most of you will want to “fact check” what exactly this book says about eating chicken-eggs, so here’s the link: https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=LLE3UEe5LMoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=zoopolis&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=chicken%20eggs&f=false Honestly, when I look at just at how poorly-argued that one page of text is… well, I think I was way too flattering to this book, even in my denunciation of it.

Zoopolis, a NON-VEGAN Political Theory of Animal Rights.mp3

ModVegan

Wow. Just wow. Citizen chickens? Also, in addition to the moral and ethical questions surrounding the whole sheep thing, dogs like to eat sheep. We had close friends growing up that raised sheep, and their biggest problem is that the animals that are best at herding sheep (such as Australian Shepherds) are good because their instinct is to herd them so they can eat them! They had a rash of sheep deaths on their farms that was a mystery for a while. It turned out that their prize-winning sheep dog was teaching her pups to hunt down and kill the sheep. She didn’t actually do the killing – her offspring did that, and a few of the were caught and had to be put down. They were stunned when they caught her in the act and had to basically exterminate the bloodline. They were obviously distressed – this was a very valuable animal. But I’ll never forget the conversation we had with them and their vet (also an a friend and a professor of veterinary medicine). They were lamenting the situation, but openly stated that as long as we use dogs to herd sheep, dogs will kill sheep. It’s simply an instinct. So sorry, they don’t have a natural “desire to protect” sheep. They want to eat them and they are willing to protect them if the reward is worthwhile. But even then, they’ll still occasionally find the urge to strong, and kill.

Eisel Mazard

We could start a punk band called “citizen chicken(s)”… or we could just create a fake website for a punk band with that name, and pretend.

ModVegan

This is an actual excerpt of a review of the book: “…deeply serious and brilliantly written …Zoopolis is in fact a courageous book and an intellectual tour de force. It is the most important philosophical work on human-animal relationships since Singer’s Animal Liberation … an inspiration to those people who want to change how humans treat animals.” –Richard Keshen, Literary Review of Canada Dear god. What I really can’t understand is why anyone would try to make up reasons to exploit animals. We live in the age of iPhones and drones. Dogs and horses are about as much use to police departments as phonebooks are to Google.

Eisel Mazard

The quality of writing in the book is also extremely poor, IMHO, both in terms of the use of the English language, and in terms of how the argument is structured, reasoned, presented, etc. HOWEVER, it really is the same problem that I raised in the first “Nina and Randa Aren’t Beautiful” video… people are willing to pretend it’s brilliant (and beautiful) when it isn’t, etc. etc.!!!!

Nov 2, 2016 at 4:27pm

[Other Voices:] Return of the Post-Dadaist, Hula-Hoop Vegan.

Her channel disappeared for a while, and now returns under the name of “Vegan Positivity”. This video is only two and a half minutes long, so I don’t think I have to provide a summary of its contents: she tends to combine a sense of humor with sensible complaints about the absurdities of contemporary veganism.

Her channel disappeared for a while, and now returns under the name of “Vegan Positivity”. This video is only two and a half minutes long, so I don’t think I have to provide a summary of its contents: she tends to combine a sense of humor with sensible complaints about the absurdities of contemporary veganism.

Malka

Nice gal, refreshing to see some tits and tats after the skeletons

Eisel Mazard

I’m obviously not looking: I didn’t even know she had tattoos.

NotKurtis

What the fuck? … subscribed

Nov 2, 2016 at 2:08pm

[Patreon Exclusive:] Feeling Like Garbage on a Vegan Diet.

“It ain’t deep, but it’s real!” (For those of you who are new to the channel, this was a catchphrase that I said once, and that Vegan Cheetah then picked up and repeated on his channel about 100 times, sort of “making it famous” within the demimonde for a while.)

Alec Android

According to Chronometer (which costs $2 – $3) we can can meet *almost* all of our nutritional needs from white rice and greens *if* you eat at least two parts of greens (I used bok choy) for every part of white rice and less than two teaspoons of canola or soybean oil for every kilogram of food. Of course you still have to eat enough calories, but minimise the oil and eat enough greens to get a good nutrient to calorie ratio. The only things missing completely are B12 and Vitamin D. D3 is better value than D2 in the long run. I have the brands I’ve tested on my instagram. Vitamin E in those foods is low. Rich sources of Vitamin E are sunflower seeds, carrot and almonds. You would also need to eat 3 parts of greens for each part of rice to meet the RDAs for Zinc and Magnesium. Richer sources of both are carrots, ground flax, lentils. Garlic and onion increase absorption of zinc. 4 parts of greens for each part of rice would be necessary to meet the RDA for fibre intake when using white rice. I know brown is rarely used in China. Our bodies are supposed to make enough K2 from K1 if we are eating enough greens, but of course there are unknown factors. You’d have to experiment with various diets without a multivitamin to work out what you actually need, but as long as you feel worse when you stop taking it, you should of course keep taking it. I’ve considered taking one myself to see how I feel. Some things like iron are not 100% safe to supplement with, but may be worth it if there is an unknown deficiency.

Alec Android

I can’t quite read the brand names on those bottles. Can you type them here so I can check them out?

Eisel Mazard

“Sisu Supreme Multivitamin: Iron Free”. The other one is just B12.

Nov 2, 2016 at 1:18pm

NinaAndRanda: Veganism Needs Ugly People, Not Idiots.

Yeah, I said it. SOMEBODY had to say it.** [It occurs to me that it is at least theoretically possible that my channel is, currently, more offensive than Vegan Gains.]

Malka

Freelee: you can maintain that body with a good cocaine habit.

Eisel Mazard

I have (sort of) pointed that out in the past, with comparisons to drug-addict beauty-icons, like Iggy Pop.

aweiss958

Freelee’s rhetoric appeals to those seeking beauty/weight loss (the “aesthetic vegan”) and those seeking health (or, more accurately, a magic cure for EVERYTHING). Beauty sells. I think it makes veganism appealing to larger audience. Popularizing veganism generates awareness. Right or wrong, awareness moves veganism from the fringe to becoming more of a cultural norm. Examples of this can be seen in grocery stores. There are a lot more vegan products available for the consumer. I think I’m concerned that if people don’t embrace, understand or care about the political activism side of veganism it will just be another fad.

Nov 2, 2016 at 1:15pm

Vegan Gains Gets Married in a Black Hoodie.

Yeah, okay, the actual title is: “Vegan Gains Gets Married: Congratulations and Reflections.”

Malka

Last time I got married I was wearing jeans and t-shirt on my way home from the grocery store my kid with us in the stroller. Boy, was that an omen not to do it..! Aaanyway, I think they are a cute couple, I totally did not expect VG to date the plain jane type, I thought him to be more superficial than this. Jasmin is definitely a catch.

Eisel Mazard

As an unrelated coincidence, I saw one of his old videos today, in which he ranted about how much he disliked women wearing makeup; well, his wife did not even wear makeup to their wedding. My point being, in some ways, he was honest about what he was looking for in a woman, i.e., he wasn’t just SAYING that he would prefer a woman who never wears makeup, etc.

Alexa

This is a wedding I would like to have photographed. (Not sarcastic; they really seem like two people who have grown together significantly and I feel “affection” for their relationship in that weird way people do when they’ve seen videos of other people on the internet.)

Eisel Mazard

I think they had the event planned less than 48 hours before it happened, so your opportunity to volunteer (and fly in) to photograph the event would have been short.

Nov 1, 2016 at 11:15am

My Chinese handwriting: I do have a life outside of youtube, you know.

Yes, I do have a life outside of youtube, however, as you’ll see in the preamble to this story, it largely revolves around the gym (and my school). The coins at the top of the image are included to provide a sense of scale: this is not calligraphy, but rapid (small) hand-writing.

Jay B

So, are you studying Mandarin or traditional Chinese? Because you’ve used the traditional character for 吗 in a sentence.

Eisel Mazard

I intentionally use a hybrid: in many cases, I use historically-correct components within simplified characters.

ModVegan

My kids keep getting exponentially smaller boxes in their workbooks every year. My oldest was writing a character the other day and asked for help and I couldn’t fit it in the box with a .3 pencil. The kids can write that stuff w/plain old #2 pencils, but I feel like I need a microscope and the tiniest Japanese mechanical pencil I can find!

Eisel Mazard

In Taiwan, much of the emphasis is on “abstraction”, i.e., not actually drawing the entire character, but putting down a mess that vaguely insinuates what the character is supposed to be. Here in the mainland, my handwriting is highly respected, whereas in Taiwan, it is scoffed at (“you write like a computer-font”), because clarity isn’t valued.

Nov 1, 2016 at 11:07am

[Other voices:] “Veganism Unspun” on Buddhism “Liberating” Animals.

The video being alluded to is here: https://youtu.be/YXBl5rneAOI My comment, above, is posted somewhere beneath that video. If you’re interested in the article I’m alluding to (about the shaky foundation for vegetarianism within canonical, Buddhist orthodoxy), you’ll find it here: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/vegetarianism-and-theravada-orthodoxy-c636fa4f37ddBuddhism is rarely mentioned on my channel these days, but I know an annoying enough about it to be dangerous, and you can get a listing of the videos with Buddhism in the title easily enough, e.g., by clicking here: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=Buddhism

The video being alluded to is here: https://youtu.be/YXBl5rneAOI My comment, above, is posted somewhere beneath that video. If you’re interested in the article I’m alluding to (about the shaky foundation for vegetarianism within canonical, Buddhist orthodoxy), you’ll find it here: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/vegetarianism-and-theravada-orthodoxy-c636fa4f37ddBuddhism is rarely mentioned on my channel these days, but I know an annoying enough about it to be dangerous, and you can get a listing of the videos with Buddhism in the title easily enough, e.g., by clicking here: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=Buddhism

Melissa Renee

Yay

Nov 1, 2016 at 10:52am

Coming Soon: Book Review, Baking Videos???

This is out of character for me (really, it is) but I just paid cash to order a copy of David Nibert’s (2013) book on vegan politics, etc. (this was endorsed by a Patreon supporter but, uncharacteristically, I really didn’t look into the details before buying it: I was just delighted that I could order it within China)… now that I pause to think about it, 281 元 is punishingly expensive, given my income (but hey…). And, with slightly less spontaneity, I also purchased a bread machine (so that I can have robot-prepared bread, without eggs or dairy products). This, too, could go horribly wrong… or could result in some truly surreal youtube videos.

This is out of character for me (really, it is) but I just paid cash to order a copy of David Nibert’s (2013) book on vegan politics, etc. (this was endorsed by a Patreon supporter but, uncharacteristically, I really didn’t look into the details before buying it: I was just delighted that I could order it within China)… now that I pause to think about it, 281 元 is punishingly expensive, given my income (but hey…). And, with slightly less spontaneity, I also purchased a bread machine (so that I can have robot-prepared bread, without eggs or dairy products). This, too, could go horribly wrong… or could result in some truly surreal youtube videos.

Steph

Currently borrowing my mom’s bread machine on an extended loan that she’s unaware of. (I believe the trendy term for this is “copped” but I’m old… school.) Discovered with robot bread that even the failures still usually make for good soup/stew sopping fodder.

Augusto Guerrero

Eisel, what do you think of Dan McDonald “liferegenerator” on youtube?

Nov 1, 2016 at 5:45am

In Sixty Seconds: Eisel Mazard becomes a Halloween Costume.

Hey, at this point, my Patreon page is in dire need of some levity.

ModVegan

Does anyone know what happened to Raw Access, btw? His videos are all down.

Eisel Mazard

I talked to him a few hours ago: he didn’t mention anything being askew.

Nov 1, 2016 at 4:07am

Misinformation and “The Movement”: Comparisons to Buddhism, Fascism and Worse.

This contains several interesting/entertaining anecdotes (about Buddhism, Fascism, etc., as alluded to in the title), but, unfortunately, the overall effect of the video is pretty depressing (i.e., in reference to veganism, qua “The Movement”). This was recorded at 3:30 AM in China, SO I’M ESPECIALLY HANDSOME, OKAY? As per usual with longer videos, an MP3-only version is attached, in case you want to hear it while you’re at the gym, etc.

This contains several interesting/entertaining anecdotes (about Buddhism, Fascism, etc., as alluded to in the title), but, unfortunately, the overall effect of the video is pretty depressing (i.e., in reference to veganism, qua “The Movement”). This was recorded at 3:30 AM in China, SO I’M ESPECIALLY HANDSOME, OKAY? As per usual with longer videos, an MP3-only version is attached, in case you want to hear it while you’re at the gym, etc.

Misinformation and The Movement, Comparisons to Buddhism, Fascism and Worse.mp3

Leslie

These sorts of personal attacks seem to happen mostly to the people who are unwilling to become a part of an echo chamber. It’s a phenomena I’ve been observing and am going to attempt to take on in my own community by questioning the validity of times this has happened in the past. I want people to consider whether or not the people whose names have been smeared deserve it, and not just take the word of “trusted” sources. If the first reaction is hostility towards even having a conversation, then that conversation is important to have. It may not be possible without ending up in the pile of disgraced names, but it’s worth trying even though I do not like some of the people I plan on defending. You have a listener base that appreciates you being true to yourself.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time, Leslie. Not many people seem to be open to the possibility that those they disagree with are just normal people, having normal (all-too-human) reactions. Of course, that perspective is reciprocal with the high level of fakery, I suppose. It’s difficult to draw up any recommendations for what to do next.

Nov 1, 2016 at 3:59am

[Patreon Exclusive?] Vegan Cheetah: What Is the Connection Between Us?

Obviously, this video is a bit of a P.S.A., so I don’t know if it will remain Patreon-exclusive forever. This is partly just inspired by the fact that people I spoke with on Younow (sincerely) did not know this “back-story” to the current shenanigans.

Oct 31, 2016 at 3:57pm

The Last Thing I’ll Ever Say to Charles (“The Vegan Cheetah”)

Yes, this is a minor footnote after my “final judgement” video… but it’s a footnote I thought I’d share. The context for the discussion isn’t worth knowing: just the lowest order of scandal-mongering and mean-spirited, pointless bickering.

Oct 31, 2016 at 3:35pm

The Struggle is Real: Veganism (I.R.L.) vs. Digital “Drama” Demimonde

Ever had someone lie to you, and you end up with the taste of dead animals in your mouth? An overly-emotional 20 minute set of reflections, with a podcast version attached (as an MP3) for those trying to save time.

The Struggle is Real, Veganism (IRL) vs Digital Drama Demimonde.mp3

Olivia

I can relate to this story in the sense that I am currently living in Krakow and everyday face the struggle of finding food to eat everyday that has no milk or butter etc. (especially difficult when I have no access to a stove or microwave or oven). At the same time that I’m doing this I face the reality that the service staff see me as someone who has a mental illness. It didn’t take long for me to work out that older generations living here in Poland see someone who does not eat meat or eggs or cheese etc. as someone who is suffering from some sort of mental illness and malnourishment. However, this being said I am thankful that there is bread here that is vegan (by accident I suppose) and that there are a few vegan eateries (out of my budget at this stage unfortunately).

Lucill Ashlie

A surreal contrast you have painted! What do you think about China’s plans to cut their meat consumption in half; do you think it will happen?

Eisel Mazard

I’ve never seen anything like “a policy document” (a decision, directive or law) from the Communist Party of China on this matter. The story seems to be “vapor”. I have never seen any article actually explain (or properly cite) the basis for the claim. Was it just something said behind a podium at some public event? Honestly, right now, I don’t know, but the story seems to lack Wikipedia-level fact-checking.

Oct 31, 2016 at 7:33am

[Patreon Exclusive] Anecdote: Cops and Confrontations on the Streets of Kunming.

Yeah, I do a lot of laughing at the absurdities of my daily life. Yeah, that’s a mosquito net in the background.

Anastasia

very entertaining, thanks:)

Oct 31, 2016 at 12:38am

[Other voices:] So-called “pay per view” activism (paying people to watch vegan documentaries)

This short video seems to me a useful overview of the method (many of you have probably heard of it before). Note that the activists have matching uniforms (a shirt with a logo, etc.) to add to the sense of credibility for a passer-by, as well as a sort of (cardboard) voting-booth, to give a sense of an institutional setting on the street, etc.

This short video seems to me a useful overview of the method (many of you have probably heard of it before). Note that the activists have matching uniforms (a shirt with a logo, etc.) to add to the sense of credibility for a passer-by, as well as a sort of (cardboard) voting-booth, to give a sense of an institutional setting on the street, etc.

Nick Knowles

Love it!

RosieRenee

What an incredibly powerful and well presented method of educating people in regards to veganism! It’s not going to work for everyone, nothing does, so even if it only encourages 1 person to go vegan, it’s worth it!

Eisel Mazard

If you were to make a list of possible methods, this is WAY MORE EFFECTIVE than many of the other methods on the list (such as screaming at people, marching with placards, etc.).

Oct 30, 2016 at 2:34pm

“Animal Sanctuaries”, Oppression vs. Liberation, Or What?

Only two minutes long! Hey, once in a while, I try my hand at the art-form of the brief, blunt propaganda-statement.———-Not the first time I’ve discussed the ethics of animal sanctuaries on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqPmh05WWU Not the first time I’ve discussed zoos on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=zoo And, in fact, most controversial of all, this is not the first time I’ve discussed the domestication of animals (and excuses made for it within veganism) on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=domestication

Only two minutes long! Hey, once in a while, I try my hand at the art-form of the brief, blunt propaganda-statement.———-Not the first time I’ve discussed the ethics of animal sanctuaries on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLqPmh05WWU Not the first time I’ve discussed zoos on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=zoo And, in fact, most controversial of all, this is not the first time I’ve discussed the domestication of animals (and excuses made for it within veganism) on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=domestication

Melissa Renee

Have you ever seen Veganism Unspun’s channel? You may be interested in this video: Buddhists Buy Animals to “Save” Them https://youtu.be/YXBl5rneAOI

Eisel Mazard

I have never heard of that channel, but the issue you’re alluding to (ceremonially “liberating” animals from cages, etc.) is one I’ve dealt with (within Buddhism) –face to face, monk to monk, etc. Cf. my old article on the basic concept of vegetarianism within Buddhist orthodoxy: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/vegetarianism-and-theravada-orthodoxy-c636fa4f37dd

Melissa Renee

Oct 30, 2016 at 11:19am

Vegans Can Never Win: The Struggle Never Ends.

“The struggle never ends, the process has only one product: you.” AND PEOPLE ASK WHY I OPENLY DESCRIBE MYSELF AS A NIHILIST?

Melissa Renee

Wow. Real talk. I needed this. Nearly every day I find myself wondering how people have hope, how people live their lives without seeing the impending doom of our species on a planet on which day in and day out we degrade its environment. I don’t understand what the fundamental difference is. I do struggle with depression, so maybe that’s an aspect of it, but I have had it under control for over a year now with an SSRI drug. Even though I’m functioning better and am able to address and delve into the problems I see without spiraling into a pit of despair I couldn’t get out of like I used to, I still don’t have hope for the future. I guess, fundamentally, I see humans as mostly bad rather than mostly good. Part of the reason I don’t want kids in the future is that I just see so much wrong in this world, how can I possibly explain these things to a child, how can I bring such a little innocent human into a world filled with people who will continually crush their hopes and dreams? How could you cope with that when you were deciding to have a child, Eisel? I really mean it. I’ve thought very extensively about being childfree and at this point I’m like 90% no/10% yes. I have like a 30 page Google doc with pros and cons. It’s mostly cons (pregnancy, childbirth, postpartum sound straight up awful, parental leave and childcare situation in America sucks ass and I probably wouldn’t be able to achieve my career goals, overpopulation, baby may have disabilities, wanting kids is ultimately a selfish desire, it’s incredibly hard and thankless work, no time for hobbies, no more time for sex with my partner and why would he even want to when my vagina has expelled a baby though he insists that’s nonsense, etc.) Above all else, it seems like the overriding urge to procreate is all that matters. People will insist on having children despite being in impoverished conditions, but even under the best possible financial situation to raise children, I can’t ever see myself being okay with bringing up kids in this world that is so shitty. My parents just don’t see it and think I’m being immature. They think this world is the best it’s ever been, this is the best time to raise kids, that I’ll be missing out on a huge part of my life if I don’t. Sucks because the biological clock is always ticking away, and I’ll be turning 30 in 6 years and feel like my career will just be starting in 6 years, I can’t see myself just starting a career for two years and then being like, “Welp, baby time, peace out!” and never work again. Phew, sorry, rambling. ANYWAY, how did you deal with this? People on this page who have had kids, how did you bring a child into this crazy carnist world?

ModVegan

I sincerely enjoyed this nihilistic little pep talk (And I just realized I posted this comment on the wrong video the first time, lol).

Eisel Mazard

Gad… “Nihilistic Pep Talk” is devastatingly accurate praise.

Oct 30, 2016 at 11:19am

[Video or Podcast:] Vegsource: what is “the deal” with me and Jeff Nelson?

As the prefix to the title advises you, the audio file is also here as an MP3, so that you can more easily use your hands while absorbing this hour-long “broadcast” (“narrowcast”?). I listened to it (the full hour) while working out at the gym, and I have to admit: there are some interesting aspects to the story told. I thought I was gonna post a warning that this was the most boring and pointless video I’d ever made, but, actually, it was more interesting than I’d imagined it to be myself.———- This video is only posted temporarily: some people really (sincerely) do not know “the deal” with what’s going on (or what happened) between Jeff and myself, and many people (including Jeff!) are trying to manufacture drama out of the ambiguities. However, the reality is not very dramatic, and not very interesting, THEREFORE this video will be deleted (“unlisted”) after people get a chance to catch up.

The most meaningful part of this video, IMHO, is the intro, reflecting on my past involvement with the Cree and Ojibwe (“First Nations”) in Canada, but this merely sets up a contrast for the remainder of the hour, talking about what happened in Chiang Mai, etc. etc.

As the prefix to the title advises you, the audio file is also here as an MP3, so that you can more easily use your hands while absorbing this hour-long “broadcast” (“narrowcast”?). I listened to it (the full hour) while working out at the gym, and I have to admit: there are some interesting aspects to the story told. I thought I was gonna post a warning that this was the most boring and pointless video I’d ever made, but, actually, it was more interesting than I’d imagined it to be myself.———- This video is only posted temporarily: some people really (sincerely) do not know “the deal” with what’s going on (or what happened) between Jeff and myself, and many people (including Jeff!) are trying to manufacture drama out of the ambiguities. However, the reality is not very dramatic, and not very interesting, THEREFORE this video will be deleted (“unlisted”) after people get a chance to catch up.

The most meaningful part of this video, IMHO, is the intro, reflecting on my past involvement with the Cree and Ojibwe (“First Nations”) in Canada, but this merely sets up a contrast for the remainder of the hour, talking about what happened in Chiang Mai, etc. etc.

Vegsource, what is the deal with me and Jeff Nelson.mp3

Steph

My notes from this episode are pretty simple: Find out what this Jeff guy actually contributes to vegan/health and read it, I don’t follow him or his family; Don’t be an asshole, there are enough out there already; Fuck Taco Bell, their excuse for food was never worth it anyway; It’s ok to politely pose questions to vegans that sponsor (or in the cited case, profit from) non-vegan establishments. I subscribe to a couple of vegan creators that have recently posted fast food mukbangs or discussed menu options. (Or maybe they always had, but due to vegan conversion timing, I never saw their prior fast-food content.) I appreciate that they’re trying to convey how easy it is to find convenient vegan options, anyone can go vegan, etc… However I akin buying “vegan options” from McDonalds, TacoBell, TGIF, any animal product serving establishment; to walking into a slaughterhouse and willfully ignoring the screaming, dying animals just to buy some finishing feed. I’d rather go hungry for a few more hours, than get some low grade yoga mat excuse for bread with wilted lettuce and a slimy tomato slice slathered in mustard, all while trying to call forth the cognitive dissonance required to make financially supporting that establishment seem even remotely OK. I’m much happier without the convenience of supporting slaughter. Now to figure out how I pose the question without being a misanthropic asshole… (OH YEAH!! That’s it!! I’ll put smilies everywhere!! *snark* I bet it’ll work.)

Eisel Mazard

Slightly off topic, but, to be fair, in some places (like Saskatchewan), you’d be lucky to eat at Taco Bell, and might seriously need to eat at McDonalds’ as a vegan (yes, Saskatachewan IS THAT BAD… your alternatives being 24 hour doughnut stores).

Liz

I don’t know if he truly is an idiot (not in the “this is me politely disagreeing with you”-sense, I mean I actually don’t know… I do know he’s not winning any intelligence awards anytime soon though), it always looked to me like he just didn’t care. Why? Because being decent with you wouldn’t advance his career, quite on the contrary, he would have had to disagree with Daddy DR, who at that point still had enough pull in the online Vegan community to potentially make a dent in Nelson’s finances. Sure, he could have just kept his mouth shut, but, as you say, you don’t make money off of not basking in the glory of being a victim of evil Eisel supporters either. That’s the problem with a lot of “professional vegans”, they’re more concerned with their hustle than… you know… Veganism. (Cheetah’s attempt to compare his channel vs your channel in terms of value for veganism based on the growth rate/popularity illustrates that point. Your attitude of prioritizing quality of content above channel growth completely and entirely went above his head.) Nelson basically explained the girls’ taco bell commercial with the same logic. I’m really all in favor people living comfortable and happy lives, but if you look at his almost opulent LA villa and lifestyle in general, it’s pretty clear that he’s not in it for the activism. An activist would be more concerned with a healthy “what do I gave vs what do I take” balance.

Eisel Mazard

He just seemed to trail off incoherently at every stage of my attempts to communicate with him, i.e., as if he was unaware of what he had just said, or why he was saying it. He also had the trait (perhaps associated with geriatrics) of self-righteously reproaching me while really failing to understand what I had just said to him, etc. These things do give me the powerful impression that someone is stupid –apart from his having been dishonest, etc.

Oct 29, 2016 at 6:19pm

Veganism vs. Cultural Anthropology: Reply to a Patreon Supporter!

Yes, I know it’s hard to believe, but Patreon supporters JUST LIKE YOU send me messages, and I make videos in response to this. YOU COULD BE NEXT.

Jackson Willows

Thanks for your reply, Eisel. I appreciate it. Something to think about moving forward.

Eisel Mazard

Ah, so you noticed!

Oct 29, 2016 at 5:17pm

[Other voices:] Hilarious Tribute Video: “Eisel Mazard is Beautiful to Me”.

Yeah, maybe nobody else will find this as hilarious as I do… but my reaction when first seeing the video (of laughing for 5 minutes solid) was immortalized on Younow.

10 3

Eva Weiß

I have no idea what I am missing out in this Video, but once again I can’t watch it in Germany

Eisel Mazard

You must be feeling so oppressed right now. I suppose the music is covered by some further copyright law in Germany.

Juliana Cohen

I thought I was the only one.

Eisel Mazard

Get in line.

Oct 29, 2016 at 5:15pm

Joe Vegan’s Melodramatic Exit (Two Commentaries)

This is presumably my final comment on Joe Vegan, but you’ll note that I do invite him (AGAIN) to come on my channel to discuss his plans to open an animal sanctuary (as a podcast or otherwise), so the door is still open for co-operation on “real veganism”, or anything remotely resembling real vegan activism.

This is presumably my final comment on Joe Vegan, but you’ll note that I do invite him (AGAIN) to come on my channel to discuss his plans to open an animal sanctuary (as a podcast or otherwise), so the door is still open for co-operation on “real veganism”, or anything remotely resembling real vegan activism.

hirondelle

Although the title said “leaving” everything in the video itself sounded to me like thinking of leaving. I fully expect him to be making videos again soon and personally I just hope if he sticks around he posts serious(ish) thoughtful stuff… Not the mean jokes which I just can’t bear to watch. Btw, isn’t the Andrew he responds to in the comments Vegan Cheetah’s weird brother lol?

Eisel Mazard

Yep, that’s the same Andrew you’re thinking of.

Oct 29, 2016 at 3:45pm

Vegan Abolitionism vs. Plain Old “Ethical Veganism”: What’s the Deal?

(NOTE: A PODCAST VERSION [MP3] IS ATTACHED HERE, FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE.) Although I think this video is clear enough in many ways, one point that gets lost in the mix is the significance of “analytical statements” about political issues involving “shades of grey”; I should have spent another minute on this, explaining that abolitionists refuse to allow of any comparative statements of degree (e.g., that cage-free chickens are better off than caged chickens) because they feel this is an implicit endorsement of animal-welfarism (and the latter term is used as the antithesis of abolitionism itself). I think every other point in the video is clear except this one: I just allude to their opposition to such comparative statements, and then move on to the next issue.

(NOTE: A PODCAST VERSION [MP3] IS ATTACHED HERE, FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE.) Although I think this video is clear enough in many ways, one point that gets lost in the mix is the significance of “analytical statements” about political issues involving “shades of grey”; I should have spent another minute on this, explaining that abolitionists refuse to allow of any comparative statements of degree (e.g., that cage-free chickens are better off than caged chickens) because they feel this is an implicit endorsement of animal-welfarism (and the latter term is used as the antithesis of abolitionism itself). I think every other point in the video is clear except this one: I just allude to their opposition to such comparative statements, and then move on to the next issue.

Vegan Abolitionism vs Plain Old Ethical Veganism, What’s the Deal.mp3

Oct 28, 2016 at 4:22pm

My Exclusive Content Within Patreon… WHAT IS IT?

To be honest, this 10 minute video might be more interesting to people who are already members of Patreon than to non-members: some of you will know that I’ve struggled with the question of what the difference between “exclusive” and “non-exclusive” content is supposed to be… and this is my current answer. I believe this will remain my “standard procedure” until I leave Kunming; at that time, it is really quite possible that the nature of what I can (and can’t) upload to the internet will change (again).

To be honest, this 10 minute video might be more interesting to people who are already members of Patreon than to non-members: some of you will know that I’ve struggled with the question of what the difference between “exclusive” and “non-exclusive” content is supposed to be… and this is my current answer. I believe this will remain my “standard procedure” until I leave Kunming; at that time, it is really quite possible that the nature of what I can (and can’t) upload to the internet will change (again).

MJB

Even changing jobs, $1 isn’t a problem. I definitely enjoy your content and will continue to. I regularly interact with exactly zero others who have similar dietary habits in my personal life, so this is in a sense, “much needed.” It’s helpful as you suggest, not to feel like you’re making choices and fighting battles alone.

Mad Blender

Hey Eisel, I just tried to sign up as a patron and it is only giving me one option to donate $100….do you have any idea what the problem could be or am I missing something?

Oct 28, 2016 at 2:34am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Abortion: my own perspective, not an official, vegan perspective.

hirondelle

Agree with Jay B, also I would disagree with Eisel’s labelling abortion infanticide, though that is a question of semantics… (interesting contrast with the recent legalisation of euthanasia of children in Belgium). Anyway I still think medical viability is a useful “line in the sand” to determine when the rights of a child to be born become more powerful than the rights of the woman to have an abortion (save for extreme medical cases).

Juliana Cohen

In my view, there are very few feminists who have no emotional hesitation about abortion, especially third trimester abortions. Just saying

Oct 28, 2016 at 1:28am

[Other voices:] Klaus Interviews Cheetah (Somewhat Over-Hyped)

I’m not saying that this is a bad interview, but it has been hyped as some kind of super-edgy confrontation… and if that’s what you’re expecting, you’ll be disappointed. (On the contrary, obviously, my own conversation with Cheetah was more direct and confrontational.) Around the 15 minute mark (as linked to here) they actually discuss me (and Cheetah’s conversation with me) without naming me.

I’m not saying that this is a bad interview, but it has been hyped as some kind of super-edgy confrontation… and if that’s what you’re expecting, you’ll be disappointed. (On the contrary, obviously, my own conversation with Cheetah was more direct and confrontational.) Around the 15 minute mark (as linked to here) they actually discuss me (and Cheetah’s conversation with me) without naming me.

Oct 28, 2016 at 12:50am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Intelligence, 品位 and my (fabulous!) sex life (the Airplane Anecdote).

Partly a discussion of, “what do we mean by intelligence?”, partly a discussion of “what do we mean by having good taste?”, and partly a reflection on how this intersects with my (overly-intellectual) sex life, here in China.

Maddalena

The smartest men I know are geeks wearing Spiderman tshirts

Eisel Mazard

Well, of course, if you meet a beautiful woman wearing a spiderman T-Shirt, THAT’S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

Maddalena

Oh and my dad always told me to stay away from business men wearing the same basic suit/tie/white shirt, he says they lack personality ;P

Oct 28, 2016 at 12:47am

[Patreon Exclusive:] On Feminism (vs. 3rd Wave Feminism)

As you may recall from the podcasts, I’ve been reconsidering what sort of content should be Patreon-exclusive. Here’s a series of single-topic videos, exclusive to Patreon supporters. I’m going to make a short video (soon) reflecting on how I’ve come up with the current “formula” for Patreon-only content… but this formula may change again in December, if the nature of my internet-access (in China) changes.

As you may recall from the podcasts, I’ve been reconsidering what sort of content should be Patreon-exclusive. Here’s a series of single-topic videos, exclusive to Patreon supporters. I’m going to make a short video (soon) reflecting on how I’ve come up with the current “formula” for Patreon-only content… but this formula may change again in December, if the nature of my internet-access (in China) changes.

ModVegan

This video didn’t really say anything about what you dislike about 3rd wave feminism (maybe you could provide a link to the video you mentioned?). I think the intersectional aspects of the third wave have been very helpful. As with any sort of discourse, you don’t have to agree with it, but it should be bringing up real issues, which I think it does, though not as often as I’d like. I agree with Gloria Steinem that a lot of it is just academics spouting nonsense to justify their careers (I did a fair amount of women’s studies, and I think that’s fair to say). A fair criticism of the Third Wave is that it lacks a central message, and in that way it’s a lot like Occupy WallStreet. Anyway, I wish you’d offered a more specific critique here, and I hope you’ll do so in a later video.

KiwiBanana

Agreed, intersectionality aspects of the third wave have been helpful.

Jessica

Do you think veganism should be intersectional? My guess is no because you’re not a fan of Harper. Veganism can’t and shouldn’t be everything, but it wouldn’t hurt to have allies — right?

ModVegan

“It wouldn’t hurt to have allies” – very true, Jessica!

Oct 27, 2016 at 12:40pm

[Just 4 minutes long:] Vegan Cheetah: FINAL JUDGEMENT.

This is basically an action-packed, four-minute version of the “conversation” I had with Vegan Cheetah a few days ago.

Melissa Renee

Why is Unnatural Vegan in the picture? Your titles and pictures can be click baity, that is one thing I could see Cheetah’s point with in all of his rambling. Unless you’re putting her on there as some sort of agreement with her video on how loving the drama is wrong (https://youtu.be/ZFnEkYDhhdk) I guess I just like Unnatural Vegan and think her channel is positive for the “movement” so I don’t want to see her dragged into this drama

Oct 26, 2016 at 4:48pm

Joe Vegan Basically Confirms My Analysis of Joe Vegan.

Uh… no offense, but…

Jessica

You’re just itching to say, “told ya so.” Good on him; Joe’s a good guy. I I have hope for him and for this olive branch.

Oct 26, 2016 at 3:48pm

[Podcast version:] Talking to Vegan Cheetah: Worst of the Vegan Industry.

This is an audio-only version of the video (already posted and available) of myself talking to Vegan Cheetah. There are two problems here: (1) you don’t get to see that I’m smiling and laughing consistently through the whole absurd discourse, and, (2) the level of the volume jumps up and down a bit (a problem created by Skype, incidentally), although it is clearly audible throughout (for both myself and Cheetah). HOWEVER, for those of you who want to expose yourself to this kind of idiocy while you’re out jogging… I present to you… THE PODCAST VERSION.

This is an audio-only version of the video (already posted and available) of myself talking to Vegan Cheetah. There are two problems here: (1) you don’t get to see that I’m smiling and laughing consistently through the whole absurd discourse, and, (2) the level of the volume jumps up and down a bit (a problem created by Skype, incidentally), although it is clearly audible throughout (for both myself and Cheetah). HOWEVER, for those of you who want to expose yourself to this kind of idiocy while you’re out jogging… I present to you… THE PODCAST VERSION.

Talking to the Cheetah, unedited.mp3

Anastasia

No, sorry. I watched bits and pieces of it a while ago, it was sufficient Edit: oh I didn’t realise it was a whole new one. You have a truly angelic patience, you know.

Eisel Mazard

Yep, as they say in comic books, “All New, All Different!”

Anastasia

I listened to a part of it on my way, it is really quite painful to listen to. Mainly because he keeps interrupting you, very hard to follow. What kind of journalism is it, it is more like a conversation between you and your teenaged rebel son:)

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, at several points, I am speaking to him in a fatherly way, and you can hear that he sounds strangely vulnerable. However, most of what he’s doing really is “an act”, i.e., fake.

Oct 26, 2016 at 3:34pm

Talking to Vegan Cheetah: Worst of the Vegan Industry.

**45 minutes long, and I never stop laughing.** In this video, I directly tell him that he is a parasite, making money from veganism, while having a “corrosive” effect on the movement.@33:22 (Jump to this moment to get straight to the point: I explain to Cheetah why he is a fake vegan, why he is a scumbag, and how he transformed himself from being one of the most-loved (and most-widely-supported) personalities within youtube into one of the most despised. I directly explain to him that he earns his money through lies, slander and defamation, and that he’s eager to sell out everyone who was formerly his friend, just for a few more nickels and dimes.)

**45 minutes long, and I never stop laughing.** In this video, I directly tell him that he is a parasite, making money from veganism, while having a “corrosive” effect on the movement.@33:22 (Jump to this moment to get straight to the point: I explain to Cheetah why he is a fake vegan, why he is a scumbag, and how he transformed himself from being one of the most-loved (and most-widely-supported) personalities within youtube into one of the most despised. I directly explain to him that he earns his money through lies, slander and defamation, and that he’s eager to sell out everyone who was formerly his friend, just for a few more nickels and dimes.)

Tim M

Well he certainly handled this conversation with a little more dignity than the last one

Jacob Schröck

Somehow this reminds me of a girl, my brother dated for a while. She always wanted to be addressed as”Kitty”, which was of course not her real name. She also had the same drama-queen-qualities.

Oct 26, 2016 at 3:32am

Keeping it real: authenticity, academic integrity & the demimonde.

NotKurtis

Jokes aside this is a really good point and something I’ve pondered before. Aside from the “shallow” fame that comes in the YouTuber package deal, there is a lot of academic trust / intellectual fame that many YouTubers get – vegan circle-jerk notwithstanding. That seems to come coupled with what is almost always a vague yet passionate opinion piece lacking any of the formal or informal citation/context/analysis/personal truth you discussed. Especially dangerous when so many vegans put a vegan diet on a pedestal for every reason BUT ethics (health, environment, fitness, spirituality), so are constantly seeking the most digestible and simple “evidence” possible.

Jessica

If anyone wants to read some fuckery related to the themes discussed in this video (not vegan related), enjoy: https://vivatiffany.wordpress.com/2016/10/27/academia-love-me-back/

Eisel Mazard

TBH, Jessica, it gets WAY WORSE than this. I’ve seen and known worse myself.

Oct 25, 2016 at 6:43pm

Happy Healthy Vegan: Zero Intellectual Integrity.

This one you can’t enjoy as a podcast: the eye-contact with the camera is a major part of the entertainment value.

Alena

I watched Cheetah’s broadcast. After he finished with you he hosted DR. I was shocked when he asked “how can we dismantle his (your) platform on YouTube?”, said they should sabotage your fundraising for illustraring the book through spreading the idea that you were a scammer and did steal that VAVD money. That is vegan canibalism. Is Cheetah that stupid to believe his own lies or is it a conspiracy against you. In his podcast with Willy he said you don’t have a degree, when you already have a B.A. in political science and also that there’s no picture of your baby and they don’t know baby’s color, when you have pics and even video of your daughter on your channel. These are just some of the obvious lies Anyhow don’t take it close to heart. I think it’s best to ignore them and do your own thing.

Olivia

‘If you want drama, get a movement; if you want results, get an organization’ – Saul Alinski’s (1971)

Oct 25, 2016 at 2:38pm

“Der Vegan”, the Conversation that Never Was.

Just a footnote (as some of you may hear about this). Today we ATTEMPTED to have a conversation via Skype, via Younow and via other methods, but this was completely impossible (apparently due to technical problems at the Australian end). However, we have this one screen-shot showing that (apparently) Der Vegan was happy to speak to me. So that’s something.

Just a footnote (as some of you may hear about this). Today we ATTEMPTED to have a conversation via Skype, via Younow and via other methods, but this was completely impossible (apparently due to technical problems at the Australian end). However, we have this one screen-shot showing that (apparently) Der Vegan was happy to speak to me. So that’s something.

Anastasia

Yeah, Australian internet is horrible)) I have to deal with it on daily basis (that is funny, coming from somebody in Russia, but honestly at times I had better connection with India)

NotKurtis

She said she’s on cable internet which means high potential bandwidth, middling latency, high congestion during peak times

Oct 25, 2016 at 2:34pm

Sugar & Glue: Are Vegans Really Better Than Vegetarians?

In case I didn’t upload enough within the last 7 days, hm? This is, in fact, a response to a comment from two patreon supporters (as always, I’m happy to make videos in response to questions I get from you guys, or issues raised in the chat-room below the videos).

Eva Weiß

Thank you so much for your in-depth answer

We actually are planning to meet with “Vegan in Japan” since Osaka is not far from Nara. I actually got to know them from your shout-out I am quite looking forward to meet them because there aren’t too many vegan YouTube channels in Japan and they seem to be nice people (plus they speak English and are a European-Japanese couple too).

Eisel Mazard

As you probably recall, just a few months ago, I was learning Japanese, and actively trying to build those contacts (assuming I’d live in Japan for several years, etc.).

V L

FYI, most cheese, especially in Europe, is not even vegetarian. But also, what do these people think about vegetables and fruits that might have been fertilized with bone meal? From what I’ve heard, this is most common in organic farming, which is one of the reasons I try not to buy anything organic – but, as with sugar and glue, there’s no way to know for sure.

Oct 25, 2016 at 5:45am

Why We All Hate the Humane Society: Veganism and the Human Rights Paradigm.

Well… I’d like to imagine that the title makes the video self-explanatory. This is a 15 minute discussion of issues branching off from the question of the limited applicability of the human rights paradigm to the vegan (and animal rights) paradigm. Note that you can click to download the MP3, if you prefer to consume the content as an audio-only podcast.

Well… I’d like to imagine that the title makes the video self-explanatory. This is a 15 minute discussion of issues branching off from the question of the limited applicability of the human rights paradigm to the vegan (and animal rights) paradigm. Note that you can click to download the MP3, if you prefer to consume the content as an audio-only podcast.

Why We All Hate the Humane Society, Veganism and the Human Rights Paradigm.mp3

Nick Knowles

wheres the klaus podcast?

Eisel Mazard

Klaus and I didn’t record a podcast: I just noted that we had a conversation (via Skype) in following up on various things after the video –and that the conversation was salubrious. At the start of the conversation, he asked if I wanted to record it as a podcast, and I said “no”, because I thought that he and I had too many things to talk about (in that first conversation) that were not of interest to outsiders (etc.). We could do a podcast in future.

Melissa Renee

Great video, per usual. I just wanted to vent somewhere vaguely related to pet ownership on this page how sick I am of seeing Halloween costumes on pets. It’s sad and demeaning enough that they get their freedom and reproductive organs removed, and then you dress them up for stupid human holidays that they don’t give the slightest shit about? And now they’re selling costumes for pets at effing Meijer, A GROCERY STORE where 20 feet away you can purchase the flesh of a wide variety of other animals who are deemed edible. Argh. I’ve never met an animal who doesn’t hate having stuff put on them, so it’s always irritated me, but since becoming vegan it’s worse to see it. /rant

Eisel Mazard

I have the raw materials on my desktop for yet another video on pet ownership (with comparative reference to animal sanctuaries). We’ll see how soon I put it together. Oddly, the videos that DON’T consist of me sitting and staring into the camera seem to be unwelcome to my regular viewers.

Oct 25, 2016 at 5:40am

Why I DIDN’T Drop Out of School (University, etc.)

Partly in response to Brianna Jackfruitson’s reflection on why she did “drop out of school” (or, at least, she decided not to go to university).

Mike On Raw

I didn’t drop out as much as I just faded away. I was getting a degree because that is what my parents would pay for and I thought it was what I wanted. Yet I and my girlfriend became pregnant and we married, and I had to get a full time job. My first full time job was cleaning semi-trucks, fueling semi-trucks, and cleaning the shop. Someday I should do a story time video on my job history. I’m now a well paid DBA at a great company with experience writing software using various languages like C, C++, C#, Smalltalk, VB, Lisp in various industries (Sales, Inventory, Distribution, Accounting, Human Resources, Manufacturing, Transit). Yet I’m old enough now I look at what will I do when I’m 60? I know enough about what I do today that it is almost impossible to be un-employed in my field. But that will change. So it is now that I start looking at going to college when I will have to pay for it. Maybe get a masters in Dietetics/nutrition? Seems to be a growing field.

NotKurtis

IT is definitely an underpaid, overstaffed field, but I’d suggest not stepping too far out of DBA/coding just based on my experience in IT (infrastructure/project work/implementation) – your field seems to be more of a merit-based one, with more older folks taking the helm. At least in business analysis, operations, ERP customisation etc. Can’t really talk on new development stuff. Then again, dietetics/nutrition will give you an inroad into the digital vegan demi-monde

Jacqueline Cohen

I had a more negative than positive experience when I was in university. When I was in high school I didn’t even want to go to university because of a lot of issues going on with my family, that led to me moving out less than a week after turning 18. I applied to colleges because it was something I “should” do, and did a year doing fine arts, until I switched to textile design since it’s more career driven. IDK if private colleges are better in the US, I went to a state school. (Fashion Institute of Technology, State University of NY). (Because of going to a state school and getting financial aid, I’m one of the few millennials with zero student debt.) I got the impression that a lot of the professors didn’t care, and the heads of the department cared more about passing students through than providing quality education. The rest of them were old hippies where it was obvious they did too many drugs in the 60s. My boss went through the same program, but about 5-8 years before I did, and she also has expressed similar sentiments. That being said, I’m glad I finished though. I deal with mental illness (depression/anxiety/adhd), and I had to support myself through college. There were many times I felt like dropping out.

Oct 25, 2016 at 5:39am

Joe Vegan will hate me 5ever (but I still got love for him!)

Joe Vegan ALLEGEDLY is quitting youtube… remember a few weeks ago Henya was ALLEGEDLY quitting youtube? In rap music, also, hollow boasts of retirement are common.

Mike On Raw

I swear I quit youtube yesterday… but then I didn’t. Seemed too much like the in thing to do.

Oct 23, 2016 at 11:28am

Vegan Idiots United: Nina and Randa are Not Beautiful, Vegan Cheetah is Not Tall.

Breeze Harper, Wayne Hsiung, Gary Yourofsky, Gary Francione, Will Tuttle, Jill Stein, Unnatural Vegan, the Humane Society, the RSPCA, DxE, PETA, The Green Party… in Veganism, our leaders are idiots.

This video was recorded in front of a live, studio audience, via Younow: https://www.younow.com/EiselMazard

Breeze Harper, Wayne Hsiung, Gary Yourofsky, Gary Francione, Will Tuttle, Jill Stein, Unnatural Vegan, the Humane Society, the RSPCA, DxE, PETA, The Green Party… in Veganism, our leaders are idiots.

This video was recorded in front of a live, studio audience, via Younow: https://www.younow.com/EiselMazard

Jessica

Eek…are there any non-idiot vegans left? I’m sure you realize how/why this is problematic. On a scale of 1-10 (where 1 is love; 10 is hate), how much does G. Francione hate you? I’m scared to ask, but curiosity Fuming 1-hr video from Papa Vegsource about the history of beauty in 3.2.1…

Eisel Mazard

I don’t think Gary Francione would remember me, to be honest. He speaks with a huge number of people each year, etc. –but he does SEEM to hate everyone who disagrees with him, even on trivial matters (note the word “seem”, I do realize that this may be his stage persona, and my impression is partly based on staged performances, even if the stage is academic rather than theatrical).

Sheldon Kreger

Well, you really got yourself into deep shit with this one! While I personally respect your right to an opinion on the physical appearance of these women, a lot of people on YT are pretty upset. But, I think our opinions of their looks is mostly irrelevant to the problem. Given the response, I’d avoid mentioning people’s appearance whenever possible, and instead focus on what you’re good at – explaining the shortcomings of the ridiculous things vegans do and say online. There is no good reason to throw yourself under the bus when your message is important (which I believe it is). People like those in the video certainly need to be called out, and when you do that, it’s important to maintain as much integrity as you can. Otherwise, people will latch on to whatever they perceive as your personal shortcomings and just ignore everything you say, Anyway, I hope this doesn’t hurt your YT career too much. We desperately need more sensibility amongst vegans.

Kirsty Niece

Yes precisely, they either don’t understand what the video was about or don’t care and just as you say “latch” onto the one bit of the video that could be seen as midly offensive I guess. Which is really annoying because no one wants to talk about what was important about the video. I find most of the other YouTube videos for veganism so boring, there is absolutely no substance just the same old merry-go-round of drama and pointing fingers. Do they realise how insignificant what they are doing really is?

Oct 23, 2016 at 8:59am

[Podcast] [Patreon-Exclusive] Educational “Refinement” and Feelings of Intellectual Inferiority.

A series of reflections on Chinese culture (and culture in general), but yes, this does intersect with my personal life (and, yes, to be blunt, this involves my sex life). Hey, it’s only 15 minutes long… I think the title provides enough of a synopsis.

Educational Refinement and Feelings of Intellectual Inferiority.mp3

Alena

Isn’t Russian higher education diploma people get after 5-6 years in a university equivalent to Master’s degree in the West? If I’m wrong then my mother is a specialist, she graduated from a veterinary academy, she had to write a dissertation at the end. Anyhow I need to get Master’s to feel satisfied with myself

Anastasia

no it is not:) it is more like Specialist = Bachelor, but not really:) not when you apply for Erasmus Mundus 6 months exchange programme, for instance. (If I am not mistaken, if you are a specialist the latest you may apply is when you are in your 8th semester for your 9th. Those doing Bachelor need to apply in their 5th or 6th semester the latest – something like that). Specialists can still further their education in the same field and apply for Master’s. Specialist and Bachelor’s have very similar course programmes as well, in Russian system, it is just that when you do your Bachelors, you do not have enough time for your Thesis etc, and the programme is packed with courses (mainly the 4th year and the latest is pretty tough – because reasons). Where did you do your Bachelor’s? Your mum would have it tougher though, than anyone doing either Bachelor’s or Specialist in a degree unrelated to health and medicine:) Not sure about vets, but those at medical academies / universities really work, A LOT. Some Bachelor’s in the West do have written thesises / dissertations at the end of the course, to my knowledge – fewer. But come on, what is the quality of Bachelor thesis in Russia, the rules for plagiarism and credibility of sources – they are just laughable)))

Melissa Renee

Thanks for the exclusive for us. “You know what I hate about you? You play your music too loud.” In private my dad will say a lot of those types of veiled insults about black culture. He’s made derogatory statements about their poor family structure, and I’ve told him he’s being racist and should think about the historical reasons why their culture is what it is/have some compassion, but it usually falls on deaf ears. I feel the same way about education, and that is a great thing about you that you view social status in that way. It was really a struggle for my parents to accept that I wanted to be with my boyfriend (sorry my comments are so personal, but hey, examples from my life are personal) because he only had a high school education and I’ve always really valued education/been driven to succeed academically. I was about to start college when I met him, so (among other things) they were worried he would influence me to drop out. I shudder to think about the person I’d be today had I been prejudiced about his lack of education and turned him down, because he’s taught me so much I could never learn from formal education. I don’t care that he doesn’t have as much education, but he’s said he feels inadequate because of it, and it breaks my heart.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for sharing, Melissa. I’m in an interesting “double-bind” that way, because I am (de facto) more highly educated (in some fields of research) than people with PhDs, but I do not have a PhD. So, in some contexts I’m regarded as under-educated, in some contexts I’m regarded as over-educated.

Oct 23, 2016 at 3:22am

Russian Translation: Even Earthworms Want to See the Sky

This does include the English and Chinese on-screen… but, of course, it will be difficult for this video to reach any significant audience in its target language. I don’t think I have enough Russian viewers to share the link.

Nick Knowles

This will be useful if Hillary gets elected and i get drafted to go fight the Russians for whatever dumb reason

Eisel Mazard

As a precautionary measure, volunteer for service on the North Korean border (“D.M.Z.”) right now.

Oct 22, 2016 at 2:22pm

On Culture: Rap Music (Hip Hop) in My Life.

You can download the MP3 to hear this as a podcast instead, but, honestly, in this case, the hand-gestures actually do clarify what I’m saying at a few moments.

On Culture, Rap Music (Hip Hop) in My Life..mp3

NotKurtis

And Brother Ali with a not-so-subtle jab at Macklemore, who has become somewhat of a poster child for demonising white rappers who wag their fingers at their accusation of what hip hop culture is while shamelessly profiting off of it. As far as verses go, almost every line rhymes with Macklemore, which is creative and pretty tight https://youtu.be/ozqQCBbZwYQ

Alena

I have to tell I find it funny how clothes transforms you. You look very elegant in suits, shirts or with a scarf around your neck. And when you got your Adidas outfit on, you look kind of like “dresiarz” in Polish culture and “гопник” in Russia. It’s a stereotypical male coming from the working class, uneducated and unrefined. They often love gangsta rap music. https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRoaGRWYZ94YMI8mEjnwOQRUuPQvYqxJIsDlpLLHyng0_x77F5EPw

Oct 22, 2016 at 8:51am

[Patreon Exclusive:] The Fundamental Flaw with Vegan Abolitionism (or “Abolitionist Vegans”).

[NOTE:] I decided to make this one “patreon exclusive” (i.e., unlisted) because I thought it would be too confusing for a new viewer to see… and it was (actually) aimed at new viewer. Well… I tried. I can try again.I would say that the first half of this video contains genuinely new material, but admittedly, after the 9 minute mark or so, I end up recapitulating points made in earlier videos (perhaps a year ago?) on the question of abolitionism.[Again, download the podcast if you want it in portable format: MP3 attached.]

[NOTE:] I decided to make this one “patreon exclusive” (i.e., unlisted) because I thought it would be too confusing for a new viewer to see… and it was (actually) aimed at new viewer. Well… I tried. I can try again.I would say that the first half of this video contains genuinely new material, but admittedly, after the 9 minute mark or so, I end up recapitulating points made in earlier videos (perhaps a year ago?) on the question of abolitionism.[Again, download the podcast if you want it in portable format: MP3 attached.]

Abolitionism, core issue.mp3

hirondelle

I want to see the long video where you talk about what a Buddhist take on veganism would look like.

Eisel Mazard

I admit, that would be an interesting video… hm…

Oct 21, 2016 at 3:50pm

Leadership & Living for the Cause: Boxing Match with Jason Pizzino.

The title may sound flippant, but this video covers a lot of meaningful subject-matter, with the hinted-at boxing match providing a few moments of mirth in the midst of some fairly grim reflections (on politics, practical philosophy, etc.). Again, you can download this as an audio-only podcast (see attachment) to hear it in a more portable form.

The title may sound flippant, but this video covers a lot of meaningful subject-matter, with the hinted-at boxing match providing a few moments of mirth in the midst of some fairly grim reflections (on politics, practical philosophy, etc.). Again, you can download this as an audio-only podcast (see attachment) to hear it in a more portable form.

Boxing Match with Jason Pizzino, Leadership & Living for the Cause.mp3

Alena

Once you succeed in establishing a foundation, I hope you’ll manage not to alienate thousands of morons, whose heart is in the right place I’m sure there are many “non-vegans”/fake vegans”, reduciterians or meat-eaters who’d be willing to support a foundation like that, because they are vegan in principle even if they wear leather shoes (the struggle to find high quality non-leather shoes is real) or eat meat. For ecology, for the animals, for humanity, people don’t have to be 100% vegan to sincerely want to support an organisation like that IMHO.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “For ecology, for the animals, for humanity, people don’t have to be 100% vegan to sincerely want to support an organisation like that IMHO.” What you say is entirely true, HOWEVER, it doesn’t mean that I/we should pander to that audience.

Elisa M

“I know he looks impressive in those photos with his shirt off” Actually I’ve noticed he’s started to train in boxing gyms in his videos. Will this fight be uploaded to YouTube?

Oct 21, 2016 at 3:42pm

Joe Vegan, Cheetah & Veganism: Evil & Idiocy, Mission & Mandate.

At this late hour (in China) I don’t feel equal to the task of really providing a comprehensive summary (the video covers a lot of ground, arright?), but this is much more meaningful than “just drama”, and starts by introducing an historical comparison between veganism and Esperanto (heard that one before?) to set the basis for the ethical and political issues being explored thereafter. However, when I get to it, the video does not stop short of passing judgement on my contemporaries, with the liberal use of “the i-word” (idiot). You have the option of listening to this one as a podcast instead of a video (see attachment).

At this late hour (in China) I don’t feel equal to the task of really providing a comprehensive summary (the video covers a lot of ground, arright?), but this is much more meaningful than “just drama”, and starts by introducing an historical comparison between veganism and Esperanto (heard that one before?) to set the basis for the ethical and political issues being explored thereafter. However, when I get to it, the video does not stop short of passing judgement on my contemporaries, with the liberal use of “the i-word” (idiot). You have the option of listening to this one as a podcast instead of a video (see attachment).

Joe Vegan, Cheetah & Veganism, Evil & Idiocy, Mission & Mandate.mp3

hirondelle

This gives me so much to think about. You seem to address the ethics of content creation but I am guessing you would argue as content consumers we have the same responsibility to chose meaningful over entertaining. I have recently taken a break from Facebook because I felt it was tampering with my ability to rationally chose what I consume (in the same way unethical supermarkets but candy near the checkout). I do really need to go through my YT subs as well. I make so many terrible choices.

Eisel Mazard

I’m glad you enjoyed it: this video has “an ellipsis” at a few different points, and doesn’t entirely spell out its conclusions for the listener. For some people, that may be frustrating (e.g., I do not “drive home” the point of my comparison to Esperanto).

Oct 21, 2016 at 3:33pm

Quote, “Eisel Admits He’s a Snob”

Ten seconds long: https://www.younow.com/PBandJams/11256475/0/0/m

Elisa M

“a person with an exaggerated respect for high social position or wealth who seeks to associate with social superiors and looks down on those regarded as socially inferior.”

Oct 19, 2016 at 1:35am

[Other voices:] “Fan”, “family” and “community” (on youtube).

For no valid reason, I get hate-mail whenever I use the word “fan” on youtube (even, e.g., in set phrases like “fan-mail”). IMHO, “fan” much less saccharine than the use of “family”, “community”, etc. In hip-hop, “fan” is used all the time, people refers to themselves as “fans” (of somebody else) without any of these hangups. And, BTW, this video linked to is under two minutes long, so my sharing the link shouldn’t be a huge distraction in your life.

For no valid reason, I get hate-mail whenever I use the word “fan” on youtube (even, e.g., in set phrases like “fan-mail”). IMHO, “fan” much less saccharine than the use of “family”, “community”, etc. In hip-hop, “fan” is used all the time, people refers to themselves as “fans” (of somebody else) without any of these hangups. And, BTW, this video linked to is under two minutes long, so my sharing the link shouldn’t be a huge distraction in your life.

Oct 18, 2016 at 5:21pm

Anti-Capitalism is the Stupidest Ideology Ever.

This is an 18 minute long video, so if you prefer a portable format, please download the podcast (MP3, audio-only) version instead.

Anti-Capitalism is the Stupidest Ideology Ever.mp3

Tim M

Just writing to say I found this so incredibly interesting! Thanks for the vid.

Augusto Guerrero

What are your thoughts on the us presidential election, specifically Donald Trump? hah

Eisel Mazard

I’ve managed to say remarkable little on that topic so far, hm?

Oct 18, 2016 at 3:55pm

Nuclear Power: a vegan, political science perspective.

This one, also, is a response to a question from Patreon.

Blair Gilbreath

What do you think about liquid fluoride thorium reactors, or LFTRs? Supposedly, they’re much more efficient than conventional uranium reactors and the waste they produce takes much less time to break down, hundreds instead of hundreds of thousands of years.

Eisel Mazard

I think I can say that I’m genuinely not qualified to comment on liquid fluoride thorium reactors (nor any technical issues related to the contrasts between particular types of reactors currently in use).

Blair Gilbreath

Somewhat related to your closing comments: https://humaniterations.net/2011/08/10/every-scientist-should-be-an-anarchist/

Oct 18, 2016 at 11:30am

On Communism (Reply to a Patreon Question)

*NOTE: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE PODCAST (MP3), if you don’t have time to watch it in video format.*You can read an essay I wrote on the early history of the Russian Revolution (in the far, far East of Russia especially) here: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/1920-the-other-russo-japanese-war-70deb2972c42 You can read the specific essay mentioned by Ben (that he read before sending me this question) here: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.jp/2012/07/Robert-Jay-Lifton-and-the-self-directed-cult.html

*NOTE: YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE PODCAST (MP3), if you don’t have time to watch it in video format.*You can read an essay I wrote on the early history of the Russian Revolution (in the far, far East of Russia especially) here: https://medium.com/@eiselmazard/1920-the-other-russo-japanese-war-70deb2972c42 You can read the specific essay mentioned by Ben (that he read before sending me this question) here: http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.jp/2012/07/Robert-Jay-Lifton-and-the-self-directed-cult.html

On Communism Itself (Reply to a Patreon Question).mp3

Ben Kingston

Actually I don’t think nature is completely blind, it follows patterns which are predicable, what I was trying to convey with blind is that it does not work in our interest. But in the same say I think history, which we might say could made predicable through the study of human nature could be predicable if it wasn’t so hard to define human nature, equally history doesn’t(as in very, very rarely) does not end up in the majorities favor.

Alena

I’m a Russian born in 80ies. I vividly remember the propaganda stories about Lenin, Krupskaya and Stalin in primary school textbooks. They got imprinted in a child’s mind as the most fundamental figures of all times. Then several years later the Soviet Union fell apart and during history lessons at school they tought us about soviet economic failures and repressions. Personally I resent Russian communist past, I wish it never happened and we still had a king and some kind of parliament. Because of the bolshevik revolution, repressions and WW2 Russia suffered an irreparable damage to its human resources. Best minds of the nation – thinkers, writers, artists, scientists, commanders, engineers etc either fled the country or were being exterminated for decades. As a result we got a society in a state of degradation. What you said is wrong with communism, its inability to tollerate competition, anything else that is different to it’s philosophy… I can see a parallel with Islam, which has vilonce and intolerance engrailed in its core (certain verses in the Quran and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, and of course numerous historical events). Even though many ordinary Muslims, politicians and scholars try to white-wash it and interpret the Quran and Islamic teachings in a sensible and attractive way.. the pro-violence and intolerance message is there in the source, available to individuals and organized groups.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in. I would only add that it is very, very difficult for ordinary people to see what’s wrong with Communism: every year, people look at this concept (and its history) for the first time, and just see promises of human equality, an end to poverty, etc. –many people only see what they want to see. I can’t make excuses for these people, but it seems to be a permanent feature of Communism, even after so many events involving the deaths of large numbers of people, etc.

Oct 16, 2016 at 11:57am

Vegans can be idiots, too: Barbara4u2c, “Vegan community is fu*ked up!”

NOTE: THIS IS ALSO AVAILABLE AS A PODCAST (and you might prefer that, as it is 20 minutes long, and podcasts are portable). Click on the MP3 file-name, below, if you want it in audio-only format.

Vegans can be idiots, too, Barbara4u2c.mp3

Liz K

It’s possible she’ll grow into doing more. At first I said I was vegan for health reasons, but now I state plainly that it is ‘the right thing to do’ and am honest about my desire for the world to be vegan.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, it’s possible, but she says she’s been in the game for more than 14 years already, so I’m responding to her current creed/position.

Maddalena

I appreciated this video a lot!

Oct 16, 2016 at 8:32am

Jill Stein: Fake Vegan (Green Party, U.S.A.)

(A short video that’s actually short, BTW.)

Jessica

Yeah, I saw this. Disappointing. But she def won some badass points in my book for raising DAPL awareness. http://usuncut.com/resistance/jill-stein-spray-paints-dakota-access-pipeline-equipment-video/

ModVegan

I’m not sure if fake vegan even applies here. Liar might be more appropriate. Although my Latin friends are always a little shocked I don’t eat dairy, at least they understood vegans don’t eat fish. This woman is a doctor? She also raves about all sorts of BS, like 9/11 conspiracy theories. Apparently she’s taken the time to research conspiracy theories, but hasn’t seen a single documentary on animal rights. She’s a loon (sorry but not sorry).

Oct 15, 2016 at 11:40pm

[Podcast:] Reflections on Dehong (and Veganism) from a Younow Broadcast

Eleven minutes of talk excerpted from a (live) Younow broadcast that lasted for about an hour, and, reportedly, it did work on a technical level (people could see and hear me clearly, etc.). Click to download the MP3.

Reflections on Dehong from a Younow Broadcast.mp3

Oct 15, 2016 at 3:22pm

Meat and Human Intelligence: Science and Society.

To a large extent, what we call Alzheimer’s and atherosclerosis are one and the same thing; what we call “having a stroke” is most often a consequence of atherosclerosis; and atherosclerosis is a problem (to some extent) for the vast majority of human beings because of meat, dairy and eggs in the modern diet.

To a large extent, what we call Alzheimer’s and atherosclerosis are one and the same thing; what we call “having a stroke” is most often a consequence of atherosclerosis; and atherosclerosis is a problem (to some extent) for the vast majority of human beings because of meat, dairy and eggs in the modern diet.

Elisa M

I saw this article today and thought of this video you made: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/17/brits-calories-alcohol-sugary-drinks “Of 24 countries tracked by the data analysts Euromonitor International, all but one have higher daily calorie consumption from alcoholic drinks than sugary beverages.” This is terrible!

Eisel Mazard

These issues are even more interesting in the context of Canada’s First Nations (“American Indians”), who have huge concerns with both obesity and alcoholism, and who (like most white people) live with a mix of real scientific information, newsprint pseudoscience, and things their grandparents told them (about health) that may be completely untrue.

Charlie Wallau

How do you feel about college fraternities where they get drunk almost everyday? Haha.

Oct 14, 2016 at 4:18pm

My Ex-Wife is a Wonderful Human Being, TBH.

Real talk.** [Comparisons to Durianrider’s breakup with Freelee are inevitable.]**** [Joking.]

Joe Vaillancourt

I think you’re a genius because you’re a motherfucker. Allow me to explain – when I received this video in my mail, I thought “oh no, someone is twisting your arm into making this video. Better read the comments first before I go Dom Bower on this video”. I then sat through the whole thing, captivated by realness. I was fully smitten at the last minute. When it was over, I muttered “you motherfucker… great video”. I jumped to conclusions at title, and I’m a dipshit for doing so. So yeah, great video.

Eisel Mazard

hirondelle

Interesting. Part of me wished you had said that your wife was probably a genius without hinting (obliquely) that maybe you are too. It is cheeky, like buying her a girl a dozen roses and nicking one to pop in your lapel before you give them ha ha. But interesting video. I also have an ex that I have a lot of respect for… But who I maybe stayed longer than was wise in the conventional sense. All part of the journey.

Eisel Mazard

It is what it is: I didn’t hint that I’m a genius, I stated that the people who considered me a genius may have had foolish (or deeply flawed) reasons for doing so.

Oct 13, 2016 at 1:23pm

[Other voices:] An interesting example of a Francophone channel (on veganism)

Quote: “Les noobs pensent que le Veganisme est la recherche de la paix entre les hommes. En réalité le Veganisme est la fin de l’exploitation de l’homme sur ses cohabitants sentients et innocents, dont le meurtre et la consommation le mènera à sa propre perte. Etre Vegan c’est faire du mieux qu’on peut, et c’est le moins qu’on puisse faire.”

Quote: “Les noobs pensent que le Veganisme est la recherche de la paix entre les hommes. En réalité le Veganisme est la fin de l’exploitation de l’homme sur ses cohabitants sentients et innocents, dont le meurtre et la consommation le mènera à sa propre perte. Etre Vegan c’est faire du mieux qu’on peut, et c’est le moins qu’on puisse faire.”

Jessica

She stole a line from that vegan couple, but spot on

Fleur

Very controversial channel but this specific video is quite good

Oct 13, 2016 at 11:52am

[Other voices:] A Footnote in the Mainstream of Veganism.

Within the first three minutes, there’s an interesting anecdote about a piglet being killed in a school (in front of the students) in order to use its body for dissection, and an ensuing court-case. I note this just in case you assume the whole discussion is merely “the usual” (and, of course, much of it is).

Within the first three minutes, there’s an interesting anecdote about a piglet being killed in a school (in front of the students) in order to use its body for dissection, and an ensuing court-case. I note this just in case you assume the whole discussion is merely “the usual” (and, of course, much of it is).

Nick Knowles

TYT EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

ModVegan

I was actually favorably impressed by Moby’s comments, especially towards the end.

Oct 12, 2016 at 4:33pm

Stupidity is Real; Undiagnosed Learning Disabilities, Also Real.

Although you might think that undiagnosed eating disorders are the biggest story in veganism today, I really wonder to what extent undiagnosed learning disabilities might be shaping the “narrative” of our limping political movement. Cheetah’s spelling-errors are legendary (I think I’ve seen him spell “mayor” three different ways, all wrong); unbelievable lapses of logic, math and mispronunciations are the norm (can anyone else remember Freelee’s failure to pronounce the word “fascism” in the phrase, “Italian fascism”?). As with the reign of George W. Bush, I wonder if we’ve become inured and indifferent to these patterns of behavior (and syntax, spelling, logic, etc.)… but, really, the pattern may hint at underlying learning disabilities. In terms of egomania, the other great bane of our movement’s non-existence, I will say that some (repeat: some) people who struggle with learning disabilities compensate with (1) egomania and (2) denouncing organized education as some kind of scam or conspiracy (Durianrider exhibits both attitudes). This, too, may be part of the pantomime we’ve all been witnessing lately.

Although you might think that undiagnosed eating disorders are the biggest story in veganism today, I really wonder to what extent undiagnosed learning disabilities might be shaping the “narrative” of our limping political movement. Cheetah’s spelling-errors are legendary (I think I’ve seen him spell “mayor” three different ways, all wrong); unbelievable lapses of logic, math and mispronunciations are the norm (can anyone else remember Freelee’s failure to pronounce the word “fascism” in the phrase, “Italian fascism”?). As with the reign of George W. Bush, I wonder if we’ve become inured and indifferent to these patterns of behavior (and syntax, spelling, logic, etc.)… but, really, the pattern may hint at underlying learning disabilities. In terms of egomania, the other great bane of our movement’s non-existence, I will say that some (repeat: some) people who struggle with learning disabilities compensate with (1) egomania and (2) denouncing organized education as some kind of scam or conspiracy (Durianrider exhibits both attitudes). This, too, may be part of the pantomime we’ve all been witnessing lately.

Eva Weiß

I guess you already noticed your typo in “sustainable, ecological develoment” on the thumbnail of your Ecologist vs. Vegan Video

Eisel Mazard

Nope, I was blissfully unaware.

Simon Poley

Very interesting and something I have noticed myself. We dyslexics are often assumed to be lazy or less intelligent than we are, as we lack the conventional (should that be traditional?)ways of expressing our understandings. Many dyslexics become actors and the like to “prove” their worth. Some may have better math skills, maybe it`s like being blind, the hearing becomes more acute, the sufferer of the learning disability exploits the greater form of expression.

Eisel Mazard

Every dyslexic I’ve known coped with it in a different way. At least two managed to present themselves (successfully) as eccentric geniuses, and achieved PhDs, etc. –with some theatrical behavior to compensate for the problems that dyslexia entailed. Others just found ways of working that didn’t involve (much) reading, such as becoming a musician, etc.

Oct 11, 2016 at 7:27am

Trying to look employable (Chinese suit #2)

I did wear the first suit (the grey one) to the job interviews in Dehong –and, as you may have gathered, I did “win” the job.

Tyler Woodward

Waiting for the video titled “EISEL BOUGHT A SUIT!!!!! /VEGAN DRAMA/” Looking fresh tho!

Eisel Mazard

Headline = “Eisel bought a suit, ________ pregnant, coincidence?”

Jessica

Looking good I like this one more, less Dr. Evil, I suppose

Oct 9, 2016 at 1:48pm

[Podcast:] Ecologists vs. Vegans… The Podcast Version!

This is EXACTLY THE SAME THING as the video just posted (twenty minutes long), but I imagined that some of you might want to hear it in a portable, audio-only format instead. So: here it is (as an MP3).

Ecologists vs Vegans, Why I disabled comments on this youtube channel.mp3

Melissa Renee

Did you see this yet, Eisel? https://youtu.be/lYly58Fal9o

Tyler Woodward

Down to earth and practical political party that will ban all gmos from the food supply, gather and destroy all GMO crops and seeds. Ratify new amendments to the constitution… I do not discount them or their effort, but many of these goals seem outlandish for veganism in 2016. I think any effort from any group to make a constitutional amendment is kind of crazy.

Oct 9, 2016 at 11:20am

Ecologists vs. Vegans & Why There Are No Comments on this Youtube channel

If you want to skip to the answer to the question of why I disabled comments on this youtube channel, click to the 15:08 mark. If you’d like to see the youtube channel of the fellow who sent in the comment (read aloud in this video), click here for “Sustainable Vegan” by Haruki: https://www.youtube.com/user/kaimotueka/videos

If you want to skip to the answer to the question of why I disabled comments on this youtube channel, click to the 15:08 mark. If you’d like to see the youtube channel of the fellow who sent in the comment (read aloud in this video), click here for “Sustainable Vegan” by Haruki: https://www.youtube.com/user/kaimotueka/videos

Mike On Raw

Sometimes I wonder if we have even lost sight of what being truly disrespected is. That word is so easily thrown around these days. A Speech was recently given in my Toastmasters group by someone talking about the clothing industry and how the U.S. is responsible for the majority of clothing in landfills. That our demand for this or that had driven the clothing industry into creating low quality low price clothing that now fills the landfills as people change out their entire wardrobe. And while such things do seem like a big deal due to the size of it all. Yet environmentally it pales next to animal agriculture. Finding ways to get my speeches to be engaging yet challenge the understanding that these people have of the world is a bit difficult. Hopefully by my 6th or 7th speech I’ll have it down and I won’t have blown it such that they simply ignore me. (I’m working on #3 this weekend). One comment on your no comments. While I see the point, you could also look at your comments section as a place to find people to start such conversations with. As those with enough interest (either positive or negative) in what you say to write a comment, depending on the comment, they may be someone to engage in further. Not necessarily you but others that may come along. Think of it as a honey pot drawing in the unwashed masses that are yearning to have their ideals challenged even if they don’t know it.

Eisel Mazard

It is true that there were advantages (as well as disadvantages) to having an open comment section, however, my 5 main sources of visitors within youtube were all channels that hate/disrespect/ridicule me… so we just had a constant stream of idiotic contributions (from people who didn’t even watch the videos) for me to delete or block.

Oct 9, 2016 at 6:47am

I attempted a (one hour) live broadcast on Younow today

I just put an hour into broadcasting on Younow: to do this from China is not REALLY possible (on a technical level), so if I want to attempt something similar in future, I should (apparently) try broadcasting live through some other platform. Youtube? MAYBE. But Youtube is blocked in China… hm. Perhaps one of my readers here has a suggestion (however, I have not yet tried streaming directly through youtube… maybe it would work well enough, maybe not).

I just put an hour into broadcasting on Younow: to do this from China is not REALLY possible (on a technical level), so if I want to attempt something similar in future, I should (apparently) try broadcasting live through some other platform. Youtube? MAYBE. But Youtube is blocked in China… hm. Perhaps one of my readers here has a suggestion (however, I have not yet tried streaming directly through youtube… maybe it would work well enough, maybe not).

Jessica

*Humane Party

Mike On Raw

Facebook? Have you looked at OBS? https://obsproject.com/

Eisel Mazard

Youtube told me about O.B.S. earlier today (as software to enable live-streaming on youtube).

Oct 7, 2016 at 10:33pm

纯素主义:现代问题的答案。(Yes, it has English subtitles)

Veganism: A Modern Solution to Modern Problems.

Jacob Schröck

I have no idea how many people in China are trying to communicate this kind of information to a broader public (and how easy it would be for someone living in China to actually get access to your video on Youtube), but i really like this! It seems even more important nowadays, with the growing demand for meat in this country, although the gouvernment proposed plans to reduce it’s consumption. Do you have any insight in how people perceive those plans or if this is even being dicussed right now?

Eisel Mazard

Well… “stayed tuned” for more on that I suppose? If I’m going to continue living in China (durably) it seems inevitable that I’ll gain some insight into it. The vast majority of people I speak to have never heard of veganism, HOWEVER, they already have a strong sense of Chinese “reducitarianism”. I think I’ve converted several people to veganism-in-principle already (here), but they’re likely to just become relatively-strict reducitarians (not real vegans).

Oct 7, 2016 at 1:32am

A Quick Fix for Climate Change (Vegan Gains, “Goodbye World”)

Reflections on technological methods to cope with climate change, on the social production of scientific knowledge, and the packaging of scientific factoids into political programs (for action).

Melissa Renee

Killing Reindeer To Stop Anthrax Could Snuff Out A Nomadic Culture: goo.gl/XBktrK Thought you may be interested as it has to do with the melting permafrost and loss of culture

Melissa Renee

And, ya know, ecology and veganism

Oct 6, 2016 at 12:42am

[Other voices:] “End of Meat” Discussed in Canadian Newspaper

“A recent analysis published on the front page of Canadian-based news outlet National Post examined the imminent downfall of animal agriculture…”Quote, “Perfect Day, the animal-free milk startup, insists it’s here to help the beef industry. By 3D printing a cow’s DNA sequence and inserting it into yeast, the company has found a way to make casein and whey proteins identical to those found in milk.” The link to “The Real Article” in the Financial Post is here: http://business.financialpost.com/news/agriculture/the-end-of-meat-economics-the-environment-and-changing-tastes-have-top-protein-feeling-the-heat

“A recent analysis published on the front page of Canadian-based news outlet National Post examined the imminent downfall of animal agriculture…”Quote, “Perfect Day, the animal-free milk startup, insists it’s here to help the beef industry. By 3D printing a cow’s DNA sequence and inserting it into yeast, the company has found a way to make casein and whey proteins identical to those found in milk.” The link to “The Real Article” in the Financial Post is here: http://business.financialpost.com/news/agriculture/the-end-of-meat-economics-the-environment-and-changing-tastes-have-top-protein-feeling-the-heat

Sean Donahue

What is your Opinion on 3D printed animal DNA grown in yeast or algae for ingredients in “vegan” foods. Should those products be certified as vegan even though they contain plant based casein and whey and crickets etc? Should vegans consume foodstuffs with those ingredients? Or is this purely for omnivores and “tentative vegans”?

Oct 6, 2016 at 12:36am

Third Excerpt from the Podcast with Modvegan

This one is titled, “Vegan Activism I.R.L., Beyond Peter Singer & Potluck Dinners”, HOWEVER, if you’re a member of this Patreon group, you can listen to the entire two-hour-long podcast instead (so you might want to skip this video).

Oct 5, 2016 at 11:07am

[Other voices:] A Non-Jaded Perspective on RT4.

The speaker here isn’t an expert (on the contrary, she probably knows less than many of my regular viewers) but she provides a non-jaded perspective on much of the insane assumptions that have become overly familiar to us all.

Augusto Guerrero

Eizel, what do you think of cooking oils? Do you think they are good or bad? Also what are your thoughts on Dr. Michael Greger, do you think he’s biased?

Eisel Mazard

I think I got your private message on this: I could make a short video on the subject… but it would be pretty short.

ModVegan

Refreshing video! Raw vegan pseudoscience can be downright dangerous, and it often has nothing to do with ethical veganism. Ethics is almost a side benefit for most raw vegans – the focus is on “vibrant health” and longevity. And possible eye color change. It just seems weird to me, because you can have vibrant health on almost any diet. Of course a vegan diet is best, but my husband’s grandmother is 103, has no chronic illness and is still salsa dancing. She looks 75 – and spoiler alert, she’s not even vegetarian. You can find anecdotes to support any diet, but I’ve never seen any credible study that showed a raw diet was best.

Tom Lewis

That was my first issue with raw veganism when I came across it. It seemed ‘selfish’ in the way it prioritised health over ethics and larger questions of what is good. Also enjoyed your recent video on US Federal Prisons!

Oct 5, 2016 at 5:06am

[Patreon Exclusive Podcast:] My Surreal Life, Youtube & Dehong.

Here’s a table of contents for the podcast (some of you may want to skip a few of the topics, but I’d encourage you all to listen to the “intro” in the first few minutes.)1. Reflections on the current state of Veganism on youtube (this follows after the intro, and runs to the 29 minute mark).

Anecdotes from my “love-life”, the peculiar story of the (female) cop, here in China, and my non-romance with her. Some of you will find this entertaining (it’s mostly a set of reflections on the quiddities of Chinese culture), but some of you will find it boring. This runs from minute 29 to minute #50.

Reflections on the new job in Dehong (starts at the 50 minute mark, and ends by inviting your questions, if you guys want to hear more).

The story behind the storybook: how this illustrated children’s book relates to my own peculiar education (this starts at the 55 minute mark).

The situation with my daughter and divorce, and how this is connected to the new job in Dehong, etc. etc. (starts at about the one hour mark exactly).

Here’s a table of contents for the podcast (some of you may want to skip a few of the topics, but I’d encourage you all to listen to the “intro” in the first few minutes.)1. Reflections on the current state of Veganism on youtube (this follows after the intro, and runs to the 29 minute mark).

Anecdotes from my “love-life”, the peculiar story of the (female) cop, here in China, and my non-romance with her. Some of you will find this entertaining (it’s mostly a set of reflections on the quiddities of Chinese culture), but some of you will find it boring. This runs from minute 29 to minute #50.

Reflections on the new job in Dehong (starts at the 50 minute mark, and ends by inviting your questions, if you guys want to hear more).

The story behind the storybook: how this illustrated children’s book relates to my own peculiar education (this starts at the 55 minute mark).

The situation with my daughter and divorce, and how this is connected to the new job in Dehong, etc. etc. (starts at about the one hour mark exactly).

Patreon Exclusive Podcast, à-bas-le-ciel, Oct 2016.mp3

128k Version, Patreon Exclusive Podcast, à-bas-le-ciel, Oct 2016.mp3

Alena

So you have many topics you want to talk about – hours and hours of monologue, I look forward to that then. You said some patrons unsubscribed because they had been attracted by drama, I think opposite is also true that you lost lots of patrons because of the drama with a long list of people. I’m definitely happy to see less “drama”… I think it’s best if you keep personal updates, “behind the scenes” for patrons – it can make us feel special, having a closer relation with you. I’m also glad you closed the comment section on YT. It was too much honour for the trolls. If someone from YT wants to leave meaningful comments they are welcome to do it here. The personal story about the attractive Chinese police woman was mildly entertaining to me, it’s interesting to get inside the man’s head and hear his perspective. To me it’s also weird that a woman can’t go on a date/just dinner or coffee with a man she doesn’t really know unless he flatters her from the start with compliments and confessions. I’m happy to hear about your probable job in Dahong and how fortunate the location is for your ex-wife and daughter. Have you figured a way to receive Patreon money in China?

Tyler Woodward

You did mention briefly about your job and what you will do in Dehong and said you weren’t sure if you were just going to bore people with it so you will skip it? I’m interested and would definitely want to hear more. Really enjoyable podcast, made the drive to University tolerable!

Eisel Mazard

Thanks, man: I can definitely record another podcast, just talking about the job, and related issues (“office ethics” –and the peculiarities of the Chinese university system, etc.). People who are interested will listen to that specific podcast, etc.

Oct 5, 2016 at 12:09am

Durianrider & Freelee Don’t Own Adelaide, They Don’t Own Chiang Mai, They Don’t Own Vegan Activism.

Here’s the page for the vegan festival in Adelaide: http://veganfestival.info/welcome And, yes, some of you may not believe that there already is a vegan fruit festival in Thailand that has no connection to Freelee and Durianrider whatsoever, but, here it is: fruitwinterfest.com/faq The shocking truth about crime statistics in Adelaide (i.e., no, it isn’t the rough town some people pretend it is): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Adelaide

Here’s the page for the vegan festival in Adelaide: http://veganfestival.info/welcome And, yes, some of you may not believe that there already is a vegan fruit festival in Thailand that has no connection to Freelee and Durianrider whatsoever, but, here it is: fruitwinterfest.com/faq The shocking truth about crime statistics in Adelaide (i.e., no, it isn’t the rough town some people pretend it is): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Adelaide

Ellen Watson

Definitely check out James Aspey, he is basically the voice of veganism in Australia right now.

Alena

I’ve heard of David Coles the author of the book ” The Insanity of Humanity”. He has a couple of interviews on YT. I also know of James Aspey and his Today I’m Voicless compaign. It’s great there’s a real vegan event in Adelide. Thanks for spreading the word. It’s a shame if Freelee never mentions it on her channel.. so much for wanting a vegan world.

Oct 5, 2016 at 12:09am

Durianrider & Freelee Don’t Own Adelaide, They Don’t Own Chiang Mai, They Don’t Own Vegan Activism.

Here’s the page for the vegan festival in Adelaide: http://veganfestival.info/welcome And, yes, some of you may not believe that there already is a vegan fruit festival in Thailand that has no connection to Freelee and Durianrider whatsoever, but, here it is: fruitwinterfest.com/faq The shocking truth about crime statistics in Adelaide (i.e., no, it isn’t the rough town some people pretend it is): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Adelaide

Here’s the page for the vegan festival in Adelaide: http://veganfestival.info/welcome And, yes, some of you may not believe that there already is a vegan fruit festival in Thailand that has no connection to Freelee and Durianrider whatsoever, but, here it is: fruitwinterfest.com/faq The shocking truth about crime statistics in Adelaide (i.e., no, it isn’t the rough town some people pretend it is): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Adelaide

Ellen Watson

Definitely check out James Aspey, he is basically the voice of veganism in Australia right now.

Alena

I’ve heard of David Coles the author of the book ” The Insanity of Humanity”. He has a couple of interviews on YT. I also know of James Aspey and his Today I’m Voicless compaign. It’s great there’s a real vegan event in Adelide. Thanks for spreading the word. It’s a shame if Freelee never mentions it on her channel.. so much for wanting a vegan world.

Oct 3, 2016 at 2:39pm

Morality is Always Inconvenient (Unnatural Vegan is STILL Right)

Note that I will be letting some of these videos “stack up” within Patreon: I want the storybook video to remain as the most recent video on my youtube channel for a while (perhaps a week?) so new uploads will remain unlisted for a while, so that my audience is less likely to overlook that one.

Elisa M

I don’t watch enough of Unnatural Vegans videos to really comment meaningfully… but I think she gets a disproportionate amount of hate when a lot of what she says is pretty banal.

MJB

I agree with you about U.V. here (still) though I have a slightly more favorable opinion of both her and Onision than you. I think that the majority of U.V.’s videos are calm and rational seeming and Veganism does not have enough of those types of videos. That’s what initially brought me to your page; your ability to tackle difficult questions and be rational about it. Onision didn’t get popular for being a “diet-based” or “vegetarian Youtuber.” He is an admitted attention seeker (it pays his bills) that got famous for skits and also happens to post facts about the detrimental impact of meat consumption and promote people not eating it. If his claim to fame was “the ethical youtuber” I’d have more Qualms. He has actually turned at the very least hundreds of young people away from eating meat. I don’t find that irrelevant. The lower the demand, the less incentive for factory farming practices to remain (though it’s yet even a bit more complicated than that of course). I fully agree with you that you’re not an activist if you only do it when it’s convenient and I think his quote about “not wanting to cause harm to your social life” was certainly bad, but I think his overall point was that the “be a total vegan or you’re a piece of shit” approach will never work on everyone, which is true,

Oct 3, 2016 at 2:38pm

Storybook for my Daughter; Veganism for Kids, etc.

This includes the full text of the story (in English) within the first two minutes or so. You can read the Chinese version of the text more clearly in the final two minutes.

Tyler Woodward

I’m 22 years old, and I’ve been vegan for 22 years. I will quite literally be a vegan cradle to grave it seems. I can’t give my perspective as a vegan parent, but I can give the experience I had as a vegan kid. I don’t ever remember one instance of my parents telling me anything about veganism (as a kid). I remember much later in my kid life finding a book called “Victor the Vegetarian” but I have no recollection of it being read to me. I can’t remember when I thought meat was wrong, or a negative thing to eat. I just remember it being something I didn’t eat, nor something that my parents ate. Why? Because “we don’t eat that”. I think I was aware of where meat came from, but I couldn’t tell if my parents set down a plate of meat in front of me at the dinner table if I would have outright denied it or simply have eaten it. But I can say that by the time I was 10 I did think eating meat was wrong, and I have never knowingly consumed any sort of meat. One time at my grandparents house, the entire family sat around the table (including my parents) and set a glass of milk in front of me and told me to try it. After spitting it out all over my poor cousin, no more taste tests occur. I wonder who’s idea it really was. I remember breaking my veganism on “purpose” as a child once. I had a cookie at school, and did not wipe my mouth clean and when I went home I foolishly tried to lie my way out of it. I don’t remember anything else about it, and I’m quite sure I didn’t get in trouble for the cookie itself, but lying about it for sure :v. My parents spent a lot of time and trouble behind the scenes, making sure I always had a vegan option. Then again, I don’t remember considering it an option, so much as my only choice but I can’t remember that being really enforced. The only person who ever actually stopped me from eat something was a teacher. She sprinted across the room and yanked the cookie from my hand and blathered about how I don’t eat that or something. That was the only time I ever felt traumatized or emotionally affected in a negative way by veganism. Maybe my parents were so good at indoctrinating me into veganism that I don’t even know it, but it didn’t take much to convince me apparently lol. Overall I give it a 9/10, I noticed since I turned 18 once I tell people I’ve been vegan since birth they don’t argue with me. I guess they think I’m a lost cause.

Eisel Mazard

Thank you for writing in, Taylor, I would like to discuss this (anonymously, I presume) on my youtube channel, as people who are “born vegan” are rare (aside from religious Jains, etc.). As you probably know, my daughter was “born vegan” (but I don’t know if she’ll stay that way).

Brendan Cross

All I could think of was your book with Bite Size Vegan’s reflection at 6:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxhyPP59dlo

Oct 2, 2016 at 3:06pm

This is Dehong, 2016 (a three-minute glimpse of the city)

There’s nothing sophisticated about this video, guys: it is just a way for me to share some footage with my parents and my ex-wife.

NotKurtis

Man your videos have taken up a night job reminding me that I need to listen to more Doom. Appreesh

Melissa Renee

Beautiful mountains and cool song. Btw have you heard of Atmosphere? Slug’s one of my favorite rappers

Eisel Mazard

I feel that I haven’t seen the mountains yet, TBH. Culturally, ethnically and linguistically, the people who live in the mountains are different from the lowlanders.

Oct 1, 2016 at 7:59pm

Vegan Dad, Meat Eating Child. (Response to a Patreon Supporter)

Melissa Renee

Great response, Eisel. It’s tragic that you can’t see your daughter. I can tell you’re a good dad. I’d be interested in more videos on issues of middle age. I’m 23 but my friends and family say I act like an old lady already because of my straight edge attitude toward drugs/alcohol. My boyfriend sometimes imitates things I say in an old lady voice, usually regarding my fondness for oatmeal though

Eisel Mazard

That was true of myself at age 23, also: middle age can start early for some, and others can work hard to delay its onset (remaining immature for as long as possible, etc.).

Jessica

Not a parent, but I was a kid once upon a time — albeit a strange one I’d definitely show her some movies with vegan themes (witnesses can corroborate that I was obsessed with ‘Babe’ and ‘Charlotte’s Web’), and then take her to meet those animals IRL. That could be one way to start an emotional connection — I mean, does anyone really want Babe/Wilbur to die? I saw the reality of farmed animals at 8y/o on PBS — I think that was a good age. I don’t remember much, and I don’t think it was full on graphic (more like the conditions and how miserable the animals are), but it was traumatic enough. In a very pro-meat household, I went from a Happy-Meal-cheeseburger-loving-kid to cutting out all ‘red’ meat overnight. It’s been a very slow journey to veganism, but that’s exactly where it started for me. Re: authority: I’d say be like my dad — he’s strict but not overbearing (which is great because I’m stubborn). He always did sweet things for us (e.g. he brushed and braided my hair before school :D), so we never wanted to disappoint him — frankly, we still don’t — and we naturally respected him. It’s like a quiet confidence. My family’s def not perfect, but I was a pretty happy kid. More advice for the dad: I’d just prepare vegan food for the girl because that’s what we do here and not feel guilty. Or turn it into a game by replacing nonvegan choices with vegan ones. Middle-aged? Pffft… we all know you’re 100-years-old, EM. I hope you get to read the story to your daughter, even though you’ll probably have to translate it to French

Maddalena

My son is obsessed with those same movies too!!

Oct 1, 2016 at 12:36pm

[Other voices:] Is there an alternative to drowning in drama?

This is a twenty minute meditation from Pizzino (not long compared to my own monologues!) asking a question that SOME of you will be wrestling with, but SOME of you will have avoided completely, and do not want to hear about. So, use discretion before clicking on this video: for some of you, it’s exactly what you DON’T want to hear about, and I can easily imagine why (“drama fatigue”). There are only two things that never go out of fashion: blue jeans and heroin. Everything else is fleeting, and this “vegan drama” industry, really, can’t last forever.

This is a twenty minute meditation from Pizzino (not long compared to my own monologues!) asking a question that SOME of you will be wrestling with, but SOME of you will have avoided completely, and do not want to hear about. So, use discretion before clicking on this video: for some of you, it’s exactly what you DON’T want to hear about, and I can easily imagine why (“drama fatigue”). There are only two things that never go out of fashion: blue jeans and heroin. Everything else is fleeting, and this “vegan drama” industry, really, can’t last forever.

Nick Knowles

check it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI9am7DBKr0

Sep 30, 2016 at 6:54am

Meanwhile, in Dehong…

If you’re a long-time viewer, you’ve probably heard me reflect that Chiang Mai is over-rated (in fact, there’s a 30-minute long patreon-exclusive video about how awful Chiang Mai is… link below!), but let me tell you: DEHONG IS UNDER-RATED. I don’t think there’s a single “western” tourist in the entire city right now. I’ll try to upload some kind of podcast or video reflecting on the place, but it’s difficult for be to explain to an outsider what makes the place so impressive to me. Note that the painted image (top-right corner, above) is trilingual (Dehong-Dai, Jingpo and Chinese).Here’s that (old) video on Chiang Mai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG-UD8rTIg

If you’re a long-time viewer, you’ve probably heard me reflect that Chiang Mai is over-rated (in fact, there’s a 30-minute long patreon-exclusive video about how awful Chiang Mai is… link below!), but let me tell you: DEHONG IS UNDER-RATED. I don’t think there’s a single “western” tourist in the entire city right now. I’ll try to upload some kind of podcast or video reflecting on the place, but it’s difficult for be to explain to an outsider what makes the place so impressive to me. Note that the painted image (top-right corner, above) is trilingual (Dehong-Dai, Jingpo and Chinese).Here’s that (old) video on Chiang Mai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG-UD8rTIg

Elisa M

“… rat and cockroach holes in the streets… ” – I will have nightmares forever… I hate cockroaches more than any other living thing. Sorry, cockroaches.

Sep 28, 2016 at 3:59pm

Vegan Lass is Wrong: Deforestation, Palm Oil & Progress.

(You can, also, download this as a podcast, from this same Patreon-page.)

Simon Poley

This is why I watch you, so I can learn interesting things.

Eva Weiß

Palm oil is not a topic I looked very deep into. But I came to the conclusion that it is neither practicable nor meaningful to avoid it completeley. If you look e.g. at Nestle they were coerced by a Greenpeace campaign in 2010 to commit to sustainable traceble palmoil. But they didnt even try to replace it altogether and I assume they just couldn’t. And that is the pattern most big companies followed when the topic of their “bad” palmoil use was raised.

Even most organic brands often use palmoil – but they try to use the “sustainable, traceable” kind and I think that is the right way to go. In my University program we had to study a bit of renewable resources and I just remember some graph in which the productivity of palmoil per hectare was outstanding. All the ecological and also social problems surrounding it won’t be solved by boycotting the use of palmoil.

Last year in December I went to a sideevent of the COP21 in Paris with a forestry students delegeation , the GLF (global landscape forum). The first Panel discussion I attended was about a “zero deforestation goal” some of the biggest palmoil companies (of Indonesia?) pledged to and how that stood in conflict with the governments efforts and was problematic for the smallholder palmoil farmers. I remeber foremost 3 people because the discussion was so very unbalanced. There was the PR representative of the 3rd biggest palmoil Company (dutch Lady with great English and rhetoric skills) against an indonesian Lady representing some smallholder initiative and a government Speaker (both with poor English skills).

As I stated in the beginning I haven’t studied palmoil in depth at all but by just attending that discussion I saw how once again there are no simple solutions to complicated problems – and there are many perspectives we miss from our purely consumer point of view.

Eisel Mazard

Re: the graph showing the productivity of palm-oil as outstanding, yes, that’s what I remember too. Part of its productivity (I believe) is simply linked to the 12-month growing season (in contrast to the growing cycle for oil-bearing crops in a country like Canada, where we have winter, etc.). Re: simple solutions to complicated problems, in general I agree, but, in fact, the wildlife conservation paradigm is pretty simple: we have to admit to ourselves that a farm is something completely different from a forest (or a habitat conservation area of any kind). That’s the brutal truth: you need lines on a map that separate economic exploitation from conservation, and we need to stop pretending that farming of any kind (palm oil, sugar, corn, etc.) is a substitute/proxy for nature/habitat/conservation.

Sep 28, 2016 at 10:07am

Vegans vs. Comic Book Fans: Making Better Use of Youtube.

Although you might not guess from the title, this is a response to a question/comment from a Patreon supporter (JUST LIKE YOU!!!).

Alex Mooring

I think the separation I see between veganism/other political movements and “communities” centered around specific types of entertainment hinges on the frivolous nature of entertainment. People don’t create daily separations from their families through their recreational interest in comic books or even necessarily change their lifestyles much at all aside from their attendance at comic related events. Even though they’re spending money, it’s all low risk. I agree with all the points you make about what makes the comic community and other forms of entertainment more engaging and relevant than veganism currently is, but are they enough to get people to take a bigger risk and change their lives? Or are you addressing people who are already committed to veganism? (Edited comment, I accidentally published too soon. My own fault for trying to separate thoughts with line breaks.)

Alex Mooring

Or I guess a third potential audience, much in the way that a lot of people with very casual interest in comic books probably watch those videos with relative experts discussing in depth more intricate details of comics, how much of an expansion of interest in veganism would just be for the veggie curious? Judging from YouTube comments on vegan channels that all read something like “I’m going to try to go vegan” or “I’d love to be vegan but…” maybe there’s already a not-insignificant percentage of viewers who aren’t actually in the “community” but are still more engaged than the average omnivore. It’d be really interesting to get actual statistics on subscribers’ dietary habits.

Sep 28, 2016 at 6:26am

[Podcast:] On Palm Oil, Deforestation & Ambition (vs. Vegan Lass)

Okay… this is 28 minutes long, so let’s see if we can upload this as a podcast (and not just as a video). Click on the MP3 (you should see a blue file-name) to download.

VS VEGAN LASS on palm oil, deforestation etc .mp3

The Truth of the Matter

I agree we can disagree without making enemies and creating hate. Just because one doesn’t agree with another does not mean we must rip them apart or even disagree with everything. I seem to continually get comments that I’m riding your d or in someway in a relationship with you because I have disagreed with how others treat you or the lies they spread. I can’t believe this is the mindset of grown adults, grown adults that call themselves vegans! I used to get a bit angry when they’d insinuate or point blank say I had romantic intentions with you but as of late I go along with it. Hell if they’re going to talk I just as well give them something good to talk about. Lol. Anyway, I respect our differences. Imagine if we were all the same and thought alike. The boredom would kill me.

Elisa M

Why do so many people assume that if you (not you specifically, but anyone) talk to or stand up for someone that you must be in love with, obsessed with or sexing them? Someone explain, I sincerely do not understand the mental process.

Tom Lewis

A follow on from your MF Doom reference before, it seems like many are following the rule of “Pan it, can’t understand it, ban it”, when it comes to palm.

The Truth of the Matter

I don’t think Lauren is suggesting it be banned at all she even says it in her comment section. She suggest we don’t over use it and is merely spreading awareness.

Sep 28, 2016 at 1:16am

Joe Vegan vs. Me vs. Freelee: The Titanic is Sinking.

I have no idea how/why this type of material is regarded as controversial. Really, really, this is NOT controversial: the core point is pretty much common sense. Ah, yes, and for those who are wondering about the rap song that is (BARELY) audible in the first few seconds, it is “the four-tet remix” of an M.F. Doom track called Money Folder, and you actually cannot hear this on youtube, although you can hear the instrumental, here: https://youtu.be/mqd6Ce7p7Ic?t=4s

Jessica

Pretty busy ATM, but speaking of drama — have you seen shit, Eisel? https://www.instagram.com/p/BK3dto1BFjp/?hl=en On the one hand, it could be comforting that vegan drama isn’t just on the tube. On the other hand, it’s depressing as hell. SMH. Marc is pretty much my vegan hero, so I’m not happy at all

Eisel Mazard

Before veganism took over my life, I was involved in some controversies in the “real world” charity industry, too. That stuff is much easier to deal with, IMHO: it won’t impact your ability to earn a living, etc.

Elisa M

I really enjoy your videos and you sometimes force me to consider perspectives that are outside my comfort zone so I have to confront those very difficult ethical quandaries. I also really enjoy Joe Vegan’s videos for their comic relief from the seriousness. His “impersonation” of you has always been quite affectionate until recently (loquacious intellectual, possible CIA agent) and that’s why I had always assumed you’re friends behind the scenes. This makes me sad because even the people I consider sensible adults on YouTube are having interpersonal feuds. I’ll continue to watch you both and hope things can be resolved between you in the future.

Eisel Mazard

Inasmuchas Joe has the potential to make a positive difference, I still would support him. But, yeah, it isn’t asking much: if he has a video that he knows is false, he knows that it harms me, etc., why not delete those 10 minutes? It wouldn’t impair the comedy side of his game in any way.

Sep 28, 2016 at 1:14am

Compassion and Compromise: Vegans Buying Meat.

In this case, I readily admit that this video is covering issues that HAVE been addressed on the channel before, although the particular focus and proximate cause is new: you get a clip of a meat-eater asking why a vegan host can buy, cook and serve meat for him (for a party, for a group dinner, etc.) given that he’s willing to provide vegan options for her (reciprocally). His statement that he (covertly) buys non-vegan food (ice-cream, etc.) and gives it to her vegan daughters (against her wishes) will get a few people’s blood boiling, I imagine (it’s a scenario many of us have to deal with).

In this case, I readily admit that this video is covering issues that HAVE been addressed on the channel before, although the particular focus and proximate cause is new: you get a clip of a meat-eater asking why a vegan host can buy, cook and serve meat for him (for a party, for a group dinner, etc.) given that he’s willing to provide vegan options for her (reciprocally). His statement that he (covertly) buys non-vegan food (ice-cream, etc.) and gives it to her vegan daughters (against her wishes) will get a few people’s blood boiling, I imagine (it’s a scenario many of us have to deal with).

Maddalena

EVERY time I share a meal with a non-vegan I always find myself asking the same questions, I don’t talk about veganism I don’t talk about health I just use the same questions: why do you still eat animal products when science (nutrition, ethology, medicine) proved us recently that we don’t need to eat them to survive and that we’re basically just harming sentient animals and the planet? If a well-educated person knows about the subject and still choose to eat meat because it tastes good, well I have ZERO respect for this person on this topic. And this is no matter is you’re my friend, a family member or a collegue. I have zero respect for you if you hurt animals on purpose. I can still love you and be your friend I certainly won’t yell at you I can talk very calmly about it but do not ask me to respect your point of view. This is not a political debate, nor a religious one I don’t need to respect their culture or point of view. There are only 2 positions: one of a person who’s trying to cause as little harm as possible to sentient beings, and the other who consciously torture and kill animals every day just out of pleasure and laziness. Respecting their position would be like respecting a neighbour who kills car for fun. I have zero respect for them and a lot of sorrow.

Eisel Mazard

The issue of science proving that being vegan is possible (and, thus, eating meat is unnecessary) is the first point I raise in my Chinese lecture on veganism (to be uploaded to youtube soon), and I think it is the most fundamental point to communicate. The nature of the ethical decision (and the political struggle) is fundamentally shaped by that (scientific) fact.

ModVegan

Good grief. I realize I live in a bubble, but I had no idea there were meat eaters who actually tried to demand that vegans cook meat for them. When I told my husband I wanted to go vegan, he immediately understood that I wouldn’t want to buy or cook meat for our family anymore – I didn’t even have to verbalize it. Like everyone else is saying, meat is not necessary for health (and is actually bad for your health). Nobody is going to drop dead from going without meat for a meal. Honestly, I don’t mean to be a jerk, but I feel zero guilt about hurting someone’s feelings when they are asking me to KILL someone to make them feel better! Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. That guy is a tool. Ugh.

Maddalena

It happened plenty of times to me when I first went vegan, it depends if you’re used to host a lot of people or not and I don’t mean for dinner where of course you can cook what you want, I mean people staying at your house for days and sometimes weeks. I have A LOT of friends and family staying at my house. Friends would usually go grocery shopping but then ask me to help cooking their non-vegan meal, my 90yo father-in-law would show up at my house with a raw steak in his hands, and even more common friends with toddlers who asked me to prepare meat for the kids… And believe me it was very hard to make myself clear at the beginning, people just won’t get it..

Sep 28, 2016 at 1:09am

The minor witticism alluded to (about the Titanic)

This is mentioned in a video; no big deal, but hey, I thought some of you would appreciate the screen-shot.

Elisa M

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Eisel Mazard

Vegan Traveler just relocated to Florida. As his name indicates, he travels.

NotKurtis

I’d still accept the first response to that analogy, but you have to imagine the raft is a hover boat, en route to the top of the nearest Doi, and the instructions are all in English.

NotKurtis

Hover bike **

Sep 26, 2016 at 3:59pm

The Politics of the Century, Not the Politics of the Day.

(This is an excerpt from the two hour conversation with Mod Vegan, so if you’re planning to listen to that recording as a whole, you may not want to listen to this segment –although this one does stand up unusually well as an isolated unit, IMHO. And, yes, in this particular excerpt, Mod doesn’t do much of the talking, but she manages to control the microphone somewhat more in the two hour recording as a whole.)

(This is an excerpt from the two hour conversation with Mod Vegan, so if you’re planning to listen to that recording as a whole, you may not want to listen to this segment –although this one does stand up unusually well as an isolated unit, IMHO. And, yes, in this particular excerpt, Mod doesn’t do much of the talking, but she manages to control the microphone somewhat more in the two hour recording as a whole.)

Olivia

One’s a token and two’s a minority, but when there’s three, things start to change.

Eisel Mazard

我在一个学校学习国语, Wǒ zài yīgè xuéxiào xuéxí guóyǔ, 如果这个学校只有唯一一个纯素学生, rúguǒ zhège xuéxiào yǒu zhǐ wéiyī yīgè chún sù xuéshēng, 工作人员一直买肉。如果所有的学生变成纯素, gong zuo rén yuán yīzhí mǎi ròu. Rúguǒ suǒyǒu de xuéshēng biàn chéng chún sù, 这个学校会停了买肉。 zhège xuéxiào huì tíng mǎi ròu. 这个情况的变成对唯一一个学生没有影响, Zhège qíngkuàng de biàn chéng duì wéiyī yīgè xuéshēng méiyǒu yǐng xiǎng, 两个,三个学生,等等, liǎng gè, sān gè xuéshēng, děng děng, 但是如果所有的学生不吃肉, dànshì rúguǒ suǒyǒu de xuéshēng bù chī ròu, 早晚这个学校需要停了买肉。 zǎowǎn zhège xuéxiào xūyào tíng le mǎi ròu. 如果百分之五十一变成纯素, Rúguǒ bǎi fēn zhī wǔshíyī biàn chéng chún sù, 会发生什么事? huì fāshēng shénme shì? 我想知道, Wǒ xiǎng zhīdào, 但是现在我们几乎不是百分之五。 Dànshì xiànzài wǒmen jīhū bùshì bǎi fēn zhī wǔ.

Nick Knowles

the song in your new vid VS Joe vegan is Money Folder by MF Doom with Madvillain but the background music sounds different

Eisel Mazard

It’s “the four-tet remix”. As I noted, you can’t get that version on youtube (currently), but here’s the instrumental: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqd6Ce7p7Ic

Sep 26, 2016 at 11:00am

$1 Vegan Cuisine: Keeping it Real in Kunming.

(I had to upload it a second time… hopefully this one works.)

Elisa M

I would like to try it, but I can’t imagine living on it. I hope when your financial situation changes you celebrate with a feast… you’ve earned it.

Eisel Mazard

My poverty is a long-term problem, but I don’t have to worry (day to day) about the number of 2元 popsicles that I eat. We’ll see.

Joe Vaillancourt

I think I figured out why the rap you listen to owns so hard and the rap on the radio (top 40 stuff) sucks so much. Real percussion. The top 40 is canned beats, this stuff is fresh.

Eisel Mazard

I think it’s hard to generalize: Wu-Tang made a project called “Chamber Music”, exclusively using live musicians (playing musical instruments) in studio… it is one of their weakest albums of all time. It just didn’t work out. Meanwhile, there are so many 100% synth projects that turned out really well (in the same period of time), e.g., https://youtu.be/V0XMW3O7q1A?t=11s

Sep 25, 2016 at 8:50pm

The Opposite of “Vegan Drama”: Keeping it Real for a Reason.

Other channels mentioned, in order of appearance. https://www.youtube.com/user/234leanna/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_55ule2TziZ-gvhSURSQQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_bxH_PIo7JmtK78c7incgw/videos

Other channels mentioned, in order of appearance. https://www.youtube.com/user/234leanna/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4_55ule2TziZ-gvhSURSQQ/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_bxH_PIo7JmtK78c7incgw/videos

Jessica

I think vegans on YT could learn about keeping it real from these guys [1) yes, I was actually looking up something important; 2) they legit look like my cousins… we’re Trump’s worst nightmare (FTR, my cousins are actually really decent guys)]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pOXA_VVVIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJM3FqLKhZo (Sorta related, wish the fruitbats would show us this): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycCUkTBQTIY

Eisel Mazard

Unless climate change has made Bangkok drastically COLDER since the last time I was there, it’s impossible for the oversize flannel shirt to be an enduring fashion in at that elevation.

ModVegan

It’s so incredibly discouraging to me that people would feel like they shouldn’t make videos because they feel like their faces are too round. What kind of world do we live in? I guess nothing should surprise me anymore, but if anyone would say a word that shallow to this girl, it makes me ill. Feeling so sad right now. We need good people to speak so badly. It breaks my heart that bullies are such jerks. Oh, and isn’t Cheetah’s contention that he’s “just in it for the money” eerily similar to Eichmann arguing that he sent Jews to their death because it was just doing his job? Good grief. It seems like the essence of the banality of evil to argue you are only doing evil things to people to make money, as if that was an excuse. Ugh

Eisel Mazard

Re: “… but if anyone would say a word that shallow to this girl, it makes me ill.” I assume people did say that to her (i.e., “you’re too fat, and therefore you’re not a real vegan”) as people said that to me all the time (and some, like Durianrider, still do say exactly that).

Sep 23, 2016 at 12:08pm

Progress in my legal case in Thailand… I guess.

Does anyone else find it slightly hilarious that he’s actually referred to as “Mr. Durian Rider”? All of the legal documents I’ve seen up to this point referred to him as Harley Johnstone… although I don’t really know if that’s his legal name, TBH.

MarMar Zaiats

Mr. Durian Rider VS Mr. À-Bas-Le-Ciel. X-D Gave me a chuckle.

Eisel Mazard

“Mr. Ciel”,

Liz

Quick! Go to facebook and demand a copy of his passport!

Sep 22, 2016 at 8:58am

We’re BELOW 10,000 Subscribers! (Again?)

Congratulations to à-bas-le-ciel for getting BELOW 10,000 viewers: we were formerly above 11,000, and we’re managing to alienate more and more of our audience. The next milestone is to get the (nominal) audience down to 8,000. ;-)A very large part of the story here is the same “bug” that Freelee famously complained about: Google has changed the definitions for what qualifies as a legitimate subscriber, and they have been deleting “ghost” accounts. I think my real number of subscribers is closer to 5,000, with an even smaller number of 2,000 being truly regular viewers. (Remember: some of my viewers are still waiting for my next lecture on Buddhist philosophy… and they’re disappointed with all these uploads on veganism!)However, some unknown portion of the declining number of subscribers can be attributed to vegans being alienated by whatever message it is I’m delivering. The truth is, we’ll never know their numbers (or, at least, not until Google finishes its “purge” of ghost accounts).

Congratulations to à-bas-le-ciel for getting BELOW 10,000 viewers: we were formerly above 11,000, and we’re managing to alienate more and more of our audience. The next milestone is to get the (nominal) audience down to 8,000. ;-)A very large part of the story here is the same “bug” that Freelee famously complained about: Google has changed the definitions for what qualifies as a legitimate subscriber, and they have been deleting “ghost” accounts. I think my real number of subscribers is closer to 5,000, with an even smaller number of 2,000 being truly regular viewers. (Remember: some of my viewers are still waiting for my next lecture on Buddhist philosophy… and they’re disappointed with all these uploads on veganism!)However, some unknown portion of the declining number of subscribers can be attributed to vegans being alienated by whatever message it is I’m delivering. The truth is, we’ll never know their numbers (or, at least, not until Google finishes its “purge” of ghost accounts).

Kathleen

Talking about channels and subscriptions, does anyone know why Vegan Just closed her channel? I really enjoyed her sense of humor.

Chris Takacs

What a bummer! I had vague plans to learn to juggle to make response videos to her.

Jessica

Can we celebrate ABLC’s 2K-milestone with an (in) famous karaoke sesh? Gotta celebrate getting rid of so much poison

Eisel Mazard

We can do Karaoke any time, just burn through the $1,500 on the airplane ticket to Kunming. I can probably get my Chinese teacher to accompany us, etc.

Sep 22, 2016 at 5:49am

[Other voices:] Vegan Gains NOT Letting D.R. Get Away With It…

Many of you already know the story, but it is significant that Vegan Gains is keeping up the pressure on (1) the threats of violence and (2) the defamation –issues that some members of the audience seem to forget the gravity of (with the passage of time). Whereas Durianrider and I never were friends, there was a time when he and V.G. really were friends, and when each influenced the other’s channel, to some extent; and I do believe that D.R. “feels” this critique much more keenly (than he does mine or Hannah Chloé’s).

Many of you already know the story, but it is significant that Vegan Gains is keeping up the pressure on (1) the threats of violence and (2) the defamation –issues that some members of the audience seem to forget the gravity of (with the passage of time). Whereas Durianrider and I never were friends, there was a time when he and V.G. really were friends, and when each influenced the other’s channel, to some extent; and I do believe that D.R. “feels” this critique much more keenly (than he does mine or Hannah Chloé’s).

NotKurtis

DR bringing up “crocodile tears” in one of his early defamatory videos against you has really stuck in my mind. I even felt a pang of sympathy (breaking up is awful for everyone, even vegan Hitler), until I remembered “crocodile tears”. Since then seeing DR cry has been kind of a guilty pleasure. I know, I’m awful.

Eisel Mazard

It’s a strange situation. One of the strangest elements is that D.R. and V.G. now “hate” each-other (publicly) because of me: it isn’t an exaggeration to say THAT break-up (V.G. vs. D.R.) directly results from V.G. supporting my case/cause.

Sep 22, 2016 at 5:42am

薏仁米和空心菜 (Snapshot of my diet)

This tastes a bit worse than it looks, because everything on the plate is served cold. The green mess on the right-hand side is 空心菜, a name that corresponds to two different species in this part of Asia (the English translation “morning glory” is even more confusing). The broccoli is the same as what you’d find in the western world, and 薏仁米 = Job’s Tears.

This tastes a bit worse than it looks, because everything on the plate is served cold. The green mess on the right-hand side is 空心菜, a name that corresponds to two different species in this part of Asia (the English translation “morning glory” is even more confusing). The broccoli is the same as what you’d find in the western world, and 薏仁米 = Job’s Tears.

Liz

Back in the day they used to have this half sweet black sesame soup / half ground job’s tears instant just add hot water mix. I can’t recommend that enough if you want some job’s tear-tastic variety to your diet

Tawn

Eisel, you should do a video about veganism in Taiwan. Some things you could possibly discuss is if veganism is limited to Supreme Master adherents, or if non-religious people are taking up veganism in great numbers. Do these Taiwanese also boycott cosmetics and toiletries manufactured by animal-testing corporations, or are they vegan in diet only? Is there veganism just a mindless nod of respect to their deceased Buddhist human ancestors, with no real concern for animal welfare? Here is part of the abstract of a research study titled “Compassion and Contamination: Cultural Differences in Vegetarianism”: “In Study 1, we find that Euro-American vegetarians are more concerned than omnivores with the impact of their daily food choices on the environment and animal welfare, show more concern for general animal welfare, and endorse universalistic values more, yet among Indian participants, these differences are not significant. In Study 2, we show that Indian vegetarians more strongly endorse the belief that eating meat is polluting, and show a heightened concern for the conservative ethics of Purity, Authority, and Ingroup relative to their omnivorous peers, whereas these differences are largely absent among Euro-Canadians and Euro-Americans. ”

Eisel Mazard

Taiwan has the whole range of vegans: some are 100% supernatural (in their motivations and world-view) and some are 0% supernatural. Some are animal-rights-centered, and some are ecology-centered, and so on. IMHO Supreme Master has been so successful there because she was able to recruit people who were already disillusioned with Buddhism, Daoism, etc., or specific groups/movements within those religions.

Sep 22, 2016 at 2:53am

[Patreon Exclusive:] 2 Hours Solid: a Conversation with ModVegan.

https://archive.org/details/ModVeganAndEiselMazardSept2016Conversation CLICK THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD.A conversation that spans Colombia, Cambodia and Canada, two (aspiring?) vegan activists discuss a range of issues philosophical, political and pragmatic. One of the leitmotifs is ModVegan’s (“negative-utilitarian”) view of animal welfare in contrast to Eisel’s view of wildlife management and nature itself.

https://archive.org/details/ModVeganAndEiselMazardSept2016Conversation CLICK THE LINK TO DOWNLOAD.A conversation that spans Colombia, Cambodia and Canada, two (aspiring?) vegan activists discuss a range of issues philosophical, political and pragmatic. One of the leitmotifs is ModVegan’s (“negative-utilitarian”) view of animal welfare in contrast to Eisel’s view of wildlife management and nature itself.

Michelle Mintmier

This is an excellent conversation! Thanks to the both of you.

ModVegan

Thanks so much, Michelle! I’m glad you enjoyed it

Elisa M

I pledged just to listen to this, but am looking forward to your future content as well

Eisel Mazard

Thanks. I hope you’ll stick around.

Sep 22, 2016 at 1:33am

The $600 Sanctuary Delusion (and Related Questions of Activism)

Among the things I have in common with Durianrider is a preference for unedited, unrehearsed, unscripted, single-take videos. Of course, the content of what we actually talk about in those videos is quite different, but there’s a bit of a shared aesthetic there.

NotKurtis

I’d always taken issue with the ethics of a sanctuary (specifically surrounding the zoo vs petting zoo vs farm vs factory farm comparisons) but never pondered the logistics. Thanks dogg

Eisel Mazard

It is unfortunate that (so far?) none of the vegans who operate animal sanctuaries are willing to talk to me… that, also, would be a great podcast/conversation.

Eva Weiß

Haruki has been working at a farm sanctuary in Bavaria last summer for an internship, because we were thinking about starting a sanctury some day in the future. I vistited him there and also helped out for four days, so I also got to experience the hard work that is necessary every single day to clean the animals shelters and feed them.

This Sancturay is called “Erdlingshof” and was taken over by a guy in the end of his twenties some years ago. He really doesn’t speak English very well, so you probably can not onterview him either. But his main motivation is not just to give a few rescued animals a place to live, but to focus on the educational possibilities as well. They do a tour for visitors every first Sunday of the month show most animals they have while talking about what “normal” treatment is at farms, e.g. cutting of pigs tails and balls and slaughtering of dairy cows babies. They also serve some vegan snacks at the end and have everyone try vegan cheese and sausages.

We were astonished at the sheer amount of work (it took 8-10h a day to clean shelters and feed animals) and the owner is basically working a 80h week without a day off ever, so Haruki also never took a day off in 6 weeks. So the three People there (no money to hire any more) did the work of at least 5. We realized that our “connection” to the animals wasn’t deep enough to find that kind of life rewarding and that the way the sanctuary is run, all people involved lack personal time to spend on further self-evolvement and to take the steps to really make the most of the educational possibilities.

Eva Weiß

I heard from different “sanctuaries” called “Gut Aiderbichl”, because a friends friend worked there. There are over 22 facilities over Austria, Germany, Switzerland a nd France with more than 5600 animals.The Manager is apparently really successful at fundraising and getting the medias attention. According to Wikipedia some of the money also comes from marriage to an elderly millionaire and faking another testament in favour of the corporation.

I have never visited any of their places, but they have buses of tourists visting, collect an entrance fee and sell even non-vegan food in their restaurants.

Sep 22, 2016 at 1:28am

The Nature of Nature: Mod Vegan in Conversation with Eisel Mazard.

This is a warning: you may want to AVOID listening to the short excerpts that will be posted to Youtube, if you’re planning to listen to the full two-hour conversation between myself and ModVegan (a.k.a. Mod Vegan, a.k.a. Margaret). I will post a link for you to download the podcast here in Patreon, and you then get to hear the natural flow of the conversation (and it flows from Columbia to Cambodia and back to Canada again). Of course, there’s nothing wrong with hearing the excerpts that will end up on Youtube, but you may be annoyed to hear some of the same material “reshuffled”. Incidentally, when the two of us got together, did any of you think we’d be lacking for things to say?

This is a warning: you may want to AVOID listening to the short excerpts that will be posted to Youtube, if you’re planning to listen to the full two-hour conversation between myself and ModVegan (a.k.a. Mod Vegan, a.k.a. Margaret). I will post a link for you to download the podcast here in Patreon, and you then get to hear the natural flow of the conversation (and it flows from Columbia to Cambodia and back to Canada again). Of course, there’s nothing wrong with hearing the excerpts that will end up on Youtube, but you may be annoyed to hear some of the same material “reshuffled”. Incidentally, when the two of us got together, did any of you think we’d be lacking for things to say?

ModVegan

Haha, I can see why you use the infamous microphone, Eisel! Your audio is fantastic. I think I’ll choose a different mic next time

Michelle Mintmier

Margaret, thanks for introducing us to David Pearce! Fascinating stuff.

ModVegan

I’m glad you enjoyed reading more of his work! My video for Saturday will go into Pearce’s ideas a bit more. He seems like a really neat guy. I’d love to have the chance to talk to him sometime!

Sep 20, 2016 at 5:27am

Vegans vs. Gerson Therapy (Unnatural Vegan is Still Right)

No real surprises in this video… uh… unless you don’t already know what the coffee, the bucket and hose are used for (i.e., as shown in the thumbnail).

Alexa

This isn’t a “drama” I’ve followed carefully, but I see no dignity in the idea that a everyone should allow dying people to be duped and bullshitted in an emotionally fragile state. My husband’s mother died a few months before we got married, after a short battle with a rare and aggressive form of cancer (mucosal melanoma). I will never forget having to go through her purse the day after she died and pull out the sad little bottles of homeopathic dandelion tincture a “personal care” attendant at the co-op had assured her could “help” with her condition. These “treatments” were not a mercy, and there was no dignity in a frightened, dying woman who made very little money shelling out cash for them. The only protocol that I have an ounce of respect for was given by the doctor who prescribed her anti-anxiety meds; something that actually HAD a chance of giving her some relief. Unnatural Vegan had the discernment to (publicly) recognize that giving Jen money for this particular purpose would support a group whose “therapy” cons dying people, manipulating their fear and robbing them of dignity. There is no dignity in telling someone that everything they want to do is fine no matter what. (Terrible analogy but: if Cory McCarthy made a video tomorrow saying that he had terminal cancer, knew he was dying, and that the only thing that’d give him any comfort was collecting a large amount of donations for an “alt-right” group he believed could save the world, would there be kindness or dignity in patting him on the head and saying “sure, of course, take my money”?)

Richard

You said it yourself, that wasn’t a “drama” you followed closely and if you’ve only seen some of the recent videos about Jen you may not know there are a ton of facts about this specific case that are routinely overlooked or misreported by the vegans who have recently latched on to this “drama” (which wasn’t a drama – it was somebody’s life) – primarily as a way to attack Durianrider.

The Truth of the Matter

I’m astounded at how so many can concentrate on their opinions on the Gerson Therapy but lack to acknowledge what UV’s and HJ’s vids did to Jen’s fund raiser and spirit. I find no issue whatsoever in one’s opinion on the therapy but for UV to even mention Jen’s name let alone advise people to not donate to her fundraiser is bullshit (for the lack of better terms). It seems some feel we must feel sympathy for UV and the backlash she’s received without even mentioning Jen and her fight for her life. How is it even justifiable for anyone to advise a mass of people to not support another in their search for more comfort and assistance in fighting the monstrous cancer? Many either don’t realize or don’t care that this woman watched two very close women in her family use the conventional methods and die of the same cancer! Why would she not try another method? Does it matter to any of those sympathizing with UV that Jen’s family actually has proof and is stating that Jen was doing better and her spirit was much better than it had been a long while. After All the state of mind one has does assist in healing or not healing. Regardless, I do not think it was HJ’s or UV’s place to advise anyone to not assist this woman in her chosen therapy. It would of done both of them good to keep their opinions and names out of the situation at least until the poor woman was gone! Smh I just can’t read anymore of these comments that are feeling sorrow for UV!

Sep 19, 2016 at 5:52am

DxE is a Joke: Vegans and “Disruption” as Protest.

(Only 3 minutes long!)

Michelle Mintmier

One of the greatest achievements of you channel is that you remind us that we (most of us anyway) live in a democratic society, which affords us proper and peaceful channels of protest and reform. One of the problems is in our educational systems….where democratic processes are not explicitly taught to us. So many of us are under the misguided assumption that gov’t and society are run by others….not people like ourselves….and that we have no power to lawfully and peacefully get something done. Thank you for helping to ‘re-educate’ and empower vegans to work within proper and more effective avenues.

Eisel Mazard

I agree, the relationship between education and access to democratic institutions is extremely problematic (in the U.S., in Canada… in all of the English-speaking countries I’m familiar with).

Richard

At least we agree on this one

Sep 18, 2016 at 9:11am

[Other voices:] Veganism, lost youth & lost optimism.

This is under 4 minutes long, but, really, provides many different thing to reflect on. I think Clare has several videos reflecting on her lost enthusiasm (and lost optimism), as she’s now 20, i.e., in contrast to her younger self. I know this channel (and return to it now) because of just one video in Chinese (“为什么纯素?”).

This is under 4 minutes long, but, really, provides many different thing to reflect on. I think Clare has several videos reflecting on her lost enthusiasm (and lost optimism), as she’s now 20, i.e., in contrast to her younger self. I know this channel (and return to it now) because of just one video in Chinese (“为什么纯素?”).

Nick Knowles

Epistemology is key, people don’t want to be talked at; Theres a youtube channel called Anthony Mangabosco who just goes around and asks people why they don’t believe in god; and fuck it works a millions times better at deconverting than debate or counter apologetics

Michelle Mintmier

Great video. I was very similar as a younger person (vegetarian then)…and full of hubris and strange ways I ‘promoted’ my lifestyle. Since being vegan, as an older person, I’m much more civil and do activism more kindly and rationally. Yeah, I’m totally embarrassed by how I used to be. LOL

Sep 18, 2016 at 8:23am

[Other voices:] A Juxtaposition of Allegations Against Durianrider & Allegations Against Me.

Starting at the four-minute-mark, this video provides a useful (and, admittedly, entertaining) overview of (some of the) allegations against Durianrider (by his own ex-girlfriend, Freelee), in contrast to (some of) the allegations that Durianrider made against me. I realize that some of my patreon are already sick of this story (and may have already seen the “leaked” statements, allegedly/apparently from Durianrider’s own pen), but I’m also aware that many of you will have avoided this material, and, so, this will be a relatively useful way to spend 5 minutes of your time (many of the other ways to get this information would take a great deal more time). It is peculiar that the source of this video is Joe Best, who did not “do the right thing” when this conflict was ongoing (so far as I know, he still isn’t doing the right thing now); although it seems easy, from my perspective, for someone to look at this information and draw the conclusion that D.R.’s allegations against myself are fictional (and motivated by malice, etc.), there are still many people (making their voices heard on the internet) who are stupid enough to be influenced by defamation of this kind. Memorably, I recently got some hate-messages from “Chelsea’s mom” that seemed to indicate that she treated D.R. as a credible source of information (despite her daughter’s long conflict with Freelee, i.e., this is Chelsea of “the get upset girls”, now “Cruelty Free by Chelsea”).

Starting at the four-minute-mark, this video provides a useful (and, admittedly, entertaining) overview of (some of the) allegations against Durianrider (by his own ex-girlfriend, Freelee), in contrast to (some of) the allegations that Durianrider made against me. I realize that some of my patreon are already sick of this story (and may have already seen the “leaked” statements, allegedly/apparently from Durianrider’s own pen), but I’m also aware that many of you will have avoided this material, and, so, this will be a relatively useful way to spend 5 minutes of your time (many of the other ways to get this information would take a great deal more time). It is peculiar that the source of this video is Joe Best, who did not “do the right thing” when this conflict was ongoing (so far as I know, he still isn’t doing the right thing now); although it seems easy, from my perspective, for someone to look at this information and draw the conclusion that D.R.’s allegations against myself are fictional (and motivated by malice, etc.), there are still many people (making their voices heard on the internet) who are stupid enough to be influenced by defamation of this kind. Memorably, I recently got some hate-messages from “Chelsea’s mom” that seemed to indicate that she treated D.R. as a credible source of information (despite her daughter’s long conflict with Freelee, i.e., this is Chelsea of “the get upset girls”, now “Cruelty Free by Chelsea”).

Danielle Danielle

Why do I have this feeling that DR wasn’t sleeping with anyone? Don’t get me wrong, not that he wouldn’t want to, but who in their sane mind with sleep with that guy???? And the way he was writing it to whom? Freelee??? I think he just wanted to make her jealous/angry… I doubt there’s anyone interested in him… seriously!

Eisel Mazard

To be fair, some people find him really attractive; and I’m guessing that those people are a significant percentage of those who bought airplane tickets just so they could meet him.

Danielle Danielle

Yeah… you’re probably right… the world is really upside down…

Sep 18, 2016 at 7:39am

Vegans Can Be Idiots, Too: Will Tuttle’s World Peace Diet.

Well… somebody had to say it. I honestly can’t remember any other vegan channel taking on issues like this (frankly, I wish I could), and, again, I wonder why self-styled “scientific” vegans do not make more of an effort of this kind.

Richard

A few months ago I volunteered to help a long-standing local vegan campaign group clean out some of their storage units. While doing this, I came across Vegan Society magazines from the late 80s and early 90s. It was f**king depressing to read them – nothing has changed in 30 years. Then I looked around at this group of people, and it’s patently clear why veganism hasn’t progressed in that time. This brand of veganism is for society’s losers – the piss-poor, unwashed, unhealthy, unsuccessful, obnoxious, self-righteous underclass of society that most folks avoid like the plague. If we ever want wider society to embrace veganism, it’s not going to be because we forced in upon them or guilt-tripped them into it – as the past 30 years have shown. The only way we’ll do it is to make people feel good about veganism, and that means being tolerant to some of the woo. You can sneer at the yoga mat carrying, kale juice drinking, plant-based brigade, but to a society that values success, that kind of lifestyle veganism is preferable to the brand of deprivation veganism currently on offer from the moral purists who balk at anyone who isn’t vegan for purely ethical or scientific reasons. Frankly, the science doesn’t matter. The science shows eating animal products is bad for our health and people eat them regardless. The science shows smoking is unhealthy, and there are more smokers than vegans. Science discredits a lot of religious teachings – especially the creation stories – and no science proves the existence of God(s) exist yet billions of people identify as belonging to a religion. The science doesn’t mean shit. The only thing that really matters – if we want wider society to adopt veganism – is making people feel good about going vegan. To some people, Will Tuttle and his brand of woo is will do just that. Other people will resonate with other ideas. The likes of Durianrider are popular precisely because they’re selling the idea of health, wealth, and happiness.

Eisel Mazard

Well… I could write a reply, but you probably already know (from youtube) what I think on the matter. I’ve just been writing about this in Chinese lately, and I should make my first video speaking in Chinese within a few days.

Eva Weiß

If it was true that by eating animal products we also ingest “toxic vibrations” that sow seed s of despair and violence in us – shouldn’t vegans then be less aggressive and simply the better people?

Just looking at the vegan scene on YouTube proofs the whole theory to be wrong….

Sep 17, 2016 at 1:52pm

Writing to Freelee, “It’s never too late to do the right thing…”

It’s a fine turn of phrase, but, to be honest, it very often is too late to do the right thing. You have to be a man of principle all the time, and you have to be willing to act on your principles at any given time; otherwise, all-too-often, you miss the moment, and for the rest of your life, it really is too late.Incidentally, the screen-shot does omit the last sentence or so, but I did state, clearly, that I was writing as à-bas-le-ciel.

It’s a fine turn of phrase, but, to be honest, it very often is too late to do the right thing. You have to be a man of principle all the time, and you have to be willing to act on your principles at any given time; otherwise, all-too-often, you miss the moment, and for the rest of your life, it really is too late.Incidentally, the screen-shot does omit the last sentence or so, but I did state, clearly, that I was writing as à-bas-le-ciel.

Dana-Zoe Gest

Eisel – really listening to the Avatar DR aka HJ talk avout the abuse he dished out to LR, my first thought was the apology you had made just as the Bike Festival in CM had started – you were there in CM then too. Your apology was touching, sincere, encouraging. It was shortly before the scandal of HJ using steroids -never having stopped and the predatory assault in Hannah C. We all saw LR, during one of the Meet-ups at the parking lot, confront HJ about his abuse of drugs, how distressed she was, and she was able to, in front of a crowd where she was safe, deal with an issue that without that crowd would have surely risked her life. Once someone like HJ starts to escalate there is only more and more, until maiming, ermanent injury and death are the result. All we have to do toknow that it was/is a truth about HJ is to look at his violent ranting videos, his treatment of others – even the Gang sent to find you to do harm – we see a person who is no longer in control and violence is the only answer. I truly believe tjat video opened a window for her to seize the opportunity to leave. I think it prompted others to have compassion towards her, and even provide physical safety for her. HJ and his

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in. At this moment, at least three different people have criminal cases against D.R. (POSSIBLY four or five!). Someone will succeed in bringing him to court, or prison.

Dana-Zoe Gest

if this is true and not a publicity stunt., i want you to know that your sincerity, although never returned from her, and she would deny it ever gave her courage, was the absolute right thing to do. It had probably been years since someone showed that level of care towards her. That window you opened is still there and i hope she truly exits and closes it and do the right thing herself. Thank You, Eisel.

Sep 17, 2016 at 5:31am

Joe Vegan: Sincerity vs. Sensationalism, Activism vs. “Drama”.

It is what it is: comments are now disabled on my youtube channel, meaning that (in future) the only way for people to converse with me will be right here, within Patreon. It could be a good thing, but, in any case, it’s a thing. Note that this video (again) draws attention to my concept for the children’s book (etc.).

It is what it is: comments are now disabled on my youtube channel, meaning that (in future) the only way for people to converse with me will be right here, within Patreon. It could be a good thing, but, in any case, it’s a thing. Note that this video (again) draws attention to my concept for the children’s book (etc.).

John Henderson

Just watched ‘JOE VEGAN VS EISEL MAZARD’ on youtube. His response was fairly predictable, but i guess you expected that Eisel? I also guess your initial video was more for the casual viewers then for Joe. His excuses that he was just way too busy with life to engage with you is pretty weak considering the time he spends making videos about you.

Eisel Mazard

I’m sure he doesn’t want to show it publicly, but he is hurt (and humiliated) by that video (that I made), even though it is polite (and even flattering) toward him: the reality is that he looks up to me, and I don’t look up to him. And he burned his bridges with me, even if he wants to pretend that it was (vice-versa) me that burned the bridge against him.

Jessica

Eisel, before disabling the comments, you could’ve tried meditating…oh, yeah, nevermind I got love for JV, but something seems a bit off. I specifically recall him saying that he did NOT reply to some of your emails. If the guy was sincere about getting answers, you’d think he’d follow-up. He says y’all aren’t friends, but he knows where to reach you. And he never chatted one-on-one, even when he had a smaller audience. Maybe he was trying really hard not to be an E-rider? (Sorry, can’t think of a better term.) Yet, if it were me, I wouldn’t necessarily cut him off — just going off of his online persona. Cheetah lost me with the ‘f the animals’ nonsense. It’s like he makes one good point (FR exploiting their suffering) — one USP to add to his brand — but he doesn’t know when to stop. I’m seriously not vegan for shits and giggles. Even if there was undeniable proof that a vegan diet was the healthiest diet in the world, I’d never do it for myself. I’m only doing it for the animals and the env (but that came later), so, yeah, I actually do care. It’s hard to keep it real in a world of flakes and fakes. But I hope you stay open and stay soft (cheezy, I know). Isn’t that the essence of veganism? I don’t really care about the comments — I can comment anywhere and nowhere — but I’d still like to hear why you enabled them in the first place. ‘Sup team intellectual ghetto

Eisel Mazard

Re: “I specifically recall him saying that he did NOT reply to some of your emails.” At an earlier stage, I imagined that he was trying to keep his distance for the sake of “journalistic integrity” –and, really, not joking, I could imagine that someone in his situation would want to keep their distance (given that poking fun at me was a big part of his act). However, he seemed to just say that he regretted not reciprocating, etc., when we talked about it (and he never put forward that idea himself, i.e., he never indicated that he was keeping his distance intentionally, for any such reason: that was just something I imagined might explain it). Re: “Yet, if it were me, I wouldn’t necessarily cut him off…”; the reality is that, for me, there’s nothing to cut off. I made a big effort to communicate with him (even when he was, repeatedly, disrespecting me in public, etc.), and he never reciprocated. So, nothing gets lost, from my perspective: I just stop trying to provide him with information that he had (in the past, publicly) said he wanted to receive, but then showed zero interest in when he did receive it. Really, this isn’t even a complaint, I’m just responding to your comment (for the sake of your interest / for the sake of this conversation).

Sep 15, 2016 at 7:00pm

Vegan Activism is Embarrassing to Vegans (in 2016)

Here’s the link to the source of the protest footage: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc94WKn7UMQCp-m8Ko3sIZA/videos

Jessica

Yeah, not my style as the shy/introvert type — even though I was tempted to show solidarity by protesting the DAPL. In the past, I’ve stood outside of a market and tried to sign people up for an environment group’s magazine; that was one of the worst experiences of my life — I hated every second because I dislike *feeling* salesy. Later, I worked for a marketing research company conducting surveys and that was way easier; people are just more generous in sharing their opinions than money I guess lol — and I usually had an incentive (e.g. gift cards) to offer them. But one vegan street thing that I’d love to do is offer samples of vegan food. I saw a video like that on FB where Gardein samples were handed out, and it looked so positive and fun because free food — that’s what’s up. I haven’t done it in a few years, but I’m thinking of restarting the grant writing just to keep the skill, focusing on animal and environmental causes that I really care about. Good thing is that I wrote grants for a small nonprofit and a large hospital, so getting probono work should be easy. TBH, the activism I’d like to do for myself (is that a thing?) is painting some vegan themes. I think it’ll be cathartic, and I don’t care if only my small social network sees it. Just because PCRM came up earlier: I know PCRM does good work. But are they still pulling disappointing antics like ‘Sit Next to a Vegan (on an Airplane)?’ Dr. Freaking Barnard cosigned that I’d expect it from PETA, not PCRM http://www.pcrm.org/media/news/sit-next-to-a-vegan-commercial-american-airlines

Dana-Zoe Gest

FYI i live in the New England Nation and belong to the Local Costco. In early spring i went in to shop after Winter. To my surprise the store had so many plant-based/vegetarian dishes/food i was so grateful. A small for instance was starting to carry South Carolina Brown Rice in 20 Pnd bags. On Thirsdays/fridays they have the food testing carts at the end of every aisle and showcase the vehpgan foods. Great fun, and they all had somecready ideas for cooking the products with a complete meal.

Sep 15, 2016 at 1:53pm

[Other voices:] Succinct (5 min.) summary of the ongoing descent of “our leaders”.

Well… it’s hard to know what would be worth posting in this forum, at this point: Joe Vegan has recorded several hours of videos reading aloud the allegations and counter-allegations from the last few days. For those who have managed to remain pure, this is a relatively short video, that might spare you the effort of seeing some of the others.

Well… it’s hard to know what would be worth posting in this forum, at this point: Joe Vegan has recorded several hours of videos reading aloud the allegations and counter-allegations from the last few days. For those who have managed to remain pure, this is a relatively short video, that might spare you the effort of seeing some of the others.

The Truth of the Matter

On another note. HJ is merely making Charles rich. Charles is now in cahoots with him. As I’ve said numerous times…Charles has became just like HJ!

Danielle Danielle

Hey, Eisel, karma has hit DR really hard, uh? Who could tell! He’s started paying his due!

Sep 14, 2016 at 4:15pm

Joe Best : It Ain’t Gonna Happen.

I have mentioned a few times (to a few people) that I’d made the effort to have something positive happen with Joe Best (after his dramatic exit from the Durianrider cult). Let me tell you something: I talked to him for 30 minutes on Skype, and it is not gonna happen. It’s never gonna happen. I could make a patreon-only video laughing about it, because it was so absurd. My impression is, honestly, that the guy has some combination of learning disabilities and mental health problems (he has mentioned some things in each category publicly, e.g., dyslexia, compulsive eating, and some disorders related to past trauma). During our conversation, I was laughing a lot, and Joe accused me of laughing “defensively”, and I really tried to communicate to him that I was laughing because I (really) found what he said hilarious.

I have mentioned a few times (to a few people) that I’d made the effort to have something positive happen with Joe Best (after his dramatic exit from the Durianrider cult). Let me tell you something: I talked to him for 30 minutes on Skype, and it is not gonna happen. It’s never gonna happen. I could make a patreon-only video laughing about it, because it was so absurd. My impression is, honestly, that the guy has some combination of learning disabilities and mental health problems (he has mentioned some things in each category publicly, e.g., dyslexia, compulsive eating, and some disorders related to past trauma). During our conversation, I was laughing a lot, and Joe accused me of laughing “defensively”, and I really tried to communicate to him that I was laughing because I (really) found what he said hilarious.

Liz

I really do not understand his appeal in the slightest – I stopped watching videos of his after the first one or two, not necessarily because nothing he said made sense (I can appreciate stupid as entertainment once in a while) but the overwhelming amount of comments that agreed with him, claimed he was “the only level headed one”, how he “opened their eyes”. Just like… what? It just doesn’t compute, my brain starts to hurt. Might as well start dividing by zero. So while I have some sort of morbid, gossipy interest in a recap of the conversation, I’d have to save that video for a day where I feel particularly mental stable.

Elisa M

I only subscribed to Joe Best recently (after I saw him in a YouNow broadcast with Joe Vegan) and I don’t think I should have. I don’t really mind when people take an amateur interest in diet and health and share their findings but he’s quoting “Doctor” Doug Graham like he’s the ultimate authority on nutrition. Doug Graham’s chiropractic licence was suspended in 2000 and he was disciplined by the State of Florida for malpractice at his Club Hygiene facility (aka, his house) where he was supervising fasts which resulted in sickness and death. The State had difficulty even establishing the claimants were his patients because he kept no records of their stay or participation in the fasts. I don’t think Joe Best is capable of logical thought and it’s scary to me that he is acting like he’s having a religious experience when he’s eating a salad. Kudos to you for trying to have a conversation with him…

Eisel Mazard

His claim that he’s a former employee of Goldman Sachs raises the question of WHAT JOB COULD HE POSSIBLY DO AT GOLDMAN SACHS? Like… did he clean windows there, or what?

Sep 14, 2016 at 9:24am

My Diet and Exercise: Not an Athlete, Not on Vacation.

Jacqueline Cohen

I was never part of the fitness/gym rat “scene”, since I hate exercising. I’m not consistent with keeping up with exercise, so incorporating extra moving in my daily routine is something that will probably be more manageable for me. Living in a city where I don’t need a car and go up and down stairs frequently in the subway helps. I don’t care about the “vanity” aspects of looking fit, I was obese a year ago and didn’t put in the effort to lose weight until I noticed that it was affecting my health. I lost 45 pounds so far without consistently exercising, just from eating less and choosing healthier foods. I find dietary changes easier than exercise plans since I have to eat regardless. I know I need to move more for health, and coming up with a solution like the examples in your video is something much more realistic for me than going to the gym.

ModVegan

Well, I run because it makes me feel good. It doesn’t take a very complicated form of hedonic calculus to realize that the effort put into exercise is amply rewarded. That said, there’s a point past which exercise has diminishing returns. Weird question: you’ve mentioned this multiple times, so I have to ask – you say you work out to be prepared for physical violence – do you frequently face physical violence? I don’t quite get it, honestly. I guess I would hope to outrun an attacker. Even my husband, who grew up in a very, very sketchy part of Cali, Colombia during the height of the drug war – has never been really worried about physical violence (he’s been in situations where friends have been shot standing next to him, etc.). I just feel like you’re being more than a tad dramatic.

Sep 14, 2016 at 9:23am

[Other voices:] Can “Vegan Drama” Still Make Money on Youtube?

If the new rules are enforced, the most lewd of vegan youtubers would be unable to generate revenue from the majority of their videos. In just 5 minutes here (or less), you’ll get the gist of the new policy at youtube that would (in theory) remove the financial inventive for Durianrider, Vegan Cheetah, or numerous others, to continue doing what they have been doing. (HOWEVER, it is not yet clear to me if the “reporting mechanism” will be any more effective than the current setup for community guideline violations… this whole category of channels is constantly violating those rules, without any apparent consequence.)

If the new rules are enforced, the most lewd of vegan youtubers would be unable to generate revenue from the majority of their videos. In just 5 minutes here (or less), you’ll get the gist of the new policy at youtube that would (in theory) remove the financial inventive for Durianrider, Vegan Cheetah, or numerous others, to continue doing what they have been doing. (HOWEVER, it is not yet clear to me if the “reporting mechanism” will be any more effective than the current setup for community guideline violations… this whole category of channels is constantly violating those rules, without any apparent consequence.)

Nick Knowles

TYT EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWW “I’m better than u, I’m fookin better than u!” Ana Kasparian

Anastasia

a good one, another interesting video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4uYOCCOprc

Sep 14, 2016 at 1:32am

[Other voices:] Bad news travels fast (Fr. denounces D.R., etc.)

My main reason for sharing this video is simply that Joe reads the (written) statements from Freelee aloud. The most fundamental thing here (easy to overlook) is that Freelee is saying that Durianrider lies about people (maliciously) on the internet: although that may seem so obvious as to be absurd, I am a witness to the fact that thousands of people STILL do not want to accept this pattern-of-behavior as a fact, and they STILL regard Durianrider as a trustworthy/honest source of information. From my perspective, a large percentage of what he says is fiction –and it is fiction created exclusively to harm people.

My main reason for sharing this video is simply that Joe reads the (written) statements from Freelee aloud. The most fundamental thing here (easy to overlook) is that Freelee is saying that Durianrider lies about people (maliciously) on the internet: although that may seem so obvious as to be absurd, I am a witness to the fact that thousands of people STILL do not want to accept this pattern-of-behavior as a fact, and they STILL regard Durianrider as a trustworthy/honest source of information. From my perspective, a large percentage of what he says is fiction –and it is fiction created exclusively to harm people.

Liz

Oh the glorious projection! Harley takes steroids and his demeanor changes —> Freelee’s (supposed) Botox injections changed her as a person! Despite the negative things Freelee has done in the past (and continues to do in the present), it looks like she’s getting out of an abusive relationship. No one deserves that and I sincerely wish her the best.

The Truth of the Matter

Liz, Honestly I find it hard to believe much of what Leanne says also. When 2 people like them are going at each other who knows who is telling the truth and who’s covering the truth.

Sep 12, 2016 at 1:47am

[Other voices:] That one rap song with vegan lyrics (mentioned recently).

This is not important/pressing (are any of my links?), but this song came up in my recent Younow Q&A: it is one of the few rap songs with lyrics that are really dedicated to veganism, contrasting between animal and human intelligence and reflecting on justifications for meat-eating (in a long series of dense metaphors).

This is not important/pressing (are any of my links?), but this song came up in my recent Younow Q&A: it is one of the few rap songs with lyrics that are really dedicated to veganism, contrasting between animal and human intelligence and reflecting on justifications for meat-eating (in a long series of dense metaphors).

Melissa Renee

Nice. Btw if anyone is wondering (I was because I instantly recognized Thom Yorke’s voice), this is the song he sampled: https://youtu.be/DpVfF4U75B8 Last I heard, Yorke’s vegetarian.

Joe Vaillancourt

Thanks, I would have never guessed it was Yorke. My back aches just looking at him move and I’m sooo much younger than him. THIS SHOULDN’T BE HAPPENING!!!

Joe Vaillancourt

Well, you’re not lying when you said these lyrics were dense metaphors. I was picking a favorite line: “the butcher says to the bovines/you’re all just pastrami/when it’s showtime/cowboy co-signs” but I realized that if I rewind, the previous verses start to make sense, then jump forward the next verses are even more inspired than the last. I think I want to settle on “or you trapped like/the yells of a nail in the shell-toe” because it reminds me of Mario Savio’s Sproul Hall steps speech (google it). I’m going to have to sleep on this before committing.

Eisel Mazard

That is a sub-genre within rap music, trying to force the listener to study the text “forwards and backwards”.

Sep 11, 2016 at 4:23pm

The Vegan Cheetah on the Sex and Death Podcast.

Some of you have been members of this Patreon group since day one, but some of you have joined recently, and will be hearing this material for the first time.

Paweł

How things can change in a matter of few months only…

The Truth of the Matter

Seems like he was a totally different person here. I recall the first time you featured him/promoted him on your channel, I checked him out and was really a lot more low key and down to earth. I subbed because I too wanted to see someone that’s taken the wrong road to succeed. With that being said…I believe he became one of those that’s permitted even small success to go to his head. I’ve seen it many times in life. As a manager I watched many come and go and some I promoted into certain positions on a sales team would become really arrogant and unfortunately it did not fit within my guidelines and idea of what a great team should be… they were eventually let go. If he does not see this soon (it may even be too late) he too will be let go by many that have supported him. “Fired”!

Sep 11, 2016 at 12:43pm

Vegan Activism and the Legal Definition of Harassment.

Did you think I’d manage to cover this issue in less than 20 minutes? This video contains a lot of useful information (and reflections), but, I admit, it is neither succinct, nor punchy.

Sep 11, 2016 at 7:35am

(Video version of the 20 min. podcast, already posted as an MP3)

This is exactly the same audio, already shared via archive.org a few hours ago.

Michelle Mintmier

Thanks for this. I really like The Vegan Traveler. He does a great interview.

Sep 11, 2016 at 4:22am

New, 20 Min. Podcast: Short-Term Scandals & Long-Term Progress.

I recorded this (casually) with Vegan Traveler this morning (and I’ve been unable to upload podacsts to Patreon, so click on the link below to download): Short-Term Scandals & the Future of Veganism (À Bas Le Ciel, Sept. 11, 2016)https://archive.org/details/Vegan-Traveler-and-Eisel-Mazard-Second-Conversation

I recorded this (casually) with Vegan Traveler this morning (and I’ve been unable to upload podacsts to Patreon, so click on the link below to download): Short-Term Scandals & the Future of Veganism (À Bas Le Ciel, Sept. 11, 2016)https://archive.org/details/Vegan-Traveler-and-Eisel-Mazard-Second-Conversation

Eisel Mazard

Here is the link AGAIN, in case it didn’t work (for you) in the original post, above (Patreon is far from a perfect system, but it works): https://archive.org/details/Vegan-Traveler-and-Eisel-Mazard-Second-Conversation

Sep 10, 2016 at 8:18am

Honesty, Integrity, Fact-Checking: Vegan Cheetah = Garbage Content.

I spent quite some time trying to clean up the audio in this version (so that you can actually hear what I’m saying), and, again, I manually typed out the “text” of what was said, so that you can read it on-screen, also. In many ways, my edit of this conversation is flattering toward Cheetah: I could (instead) have just put together a bunch of moments of him screaming at me, like an idiot (and some of his reflections about the conversation after he hung up on me, also, make him look like an idiot, IMHO).

I spent quite some time trying to clean up the audio in this version (so that you can actually hear what I’m saying), and, again, I manually typed out the “text” of what was said, so that you can read it on-screen, also. In many ways, my edit of this conversation is flattering toward Cheetah: I could (instead) have just put together a bunch of moments of him screaming at me, like an idiot (and some of his reflections about the conversation after he hung up on me, also, make him look like an idiot, IMHO).

V L

Have you seen his most recent video? The pictures (your face photoshopped into porn) were created and posted by someone named blood-wiper from the #vegan irc channel.

Eisel Mazard

I actually haven’t seen the video, but I heard Jason Pizzino laughing about it last night (on my time-zone).

Paweł

WOW, just WOW.

Sep 9, 2016 at 11:59pm

Drama, Debate, Ambition, Activism: Why Vegans Fight Vegans.

Every possible trigger-warning applies to this video: sex, violence, defecation, etc. You may think I’m joking, but I’m not.

ModVegan

Yeah, it’s a shame ‘serious’ people seem to avoid video & social media. I get the hesitancy, but if you’re a public person, I don’t think you can let fears about exposure keep you from speaking up and using the platforms available. Anyway, I do think this will change with the younger generation of academics. At least I hope it will!

Monica White

I really liked this video too.

Sep 9, 2016 at 2:11pm

Sentimental Update (Legal Case in Thailand)

Half an hour of reflections, partly about technical developments in the case, but primarily about what the case means to me (an autobiographical perspective that brings back many memories of Thai culture, the Thai establishment, and of my past interest in prison-conditions, prison-education, etc.).

Jessica

It’s pretty sad that VC’s anger overshadowed DR’s in the YouNow broadcast. A vegan was talking about ‘hunting’ you down and breaking your legs. But VC left me in disbelief because it was so blatant and new, while I’m, sadly, desensitized to DR’s. And I totally didn’t see anything conservative about Florida when I visited my ex near Miami for a few months. We hung around pretty liberal South Americans (because he is) and Central Americans (because I am), and we spoke Spanish everywhere. So you can imagine my surprise when I saw Trump sweep the state during the primary, even though it wasn’t a surprising win — it was just surprising to me.

Eisel Mazard

Re: the threat to break my legs (and/or kill me), that was one of many odd moments that V.C. simply chose not to respond to (just for the sake of comedy: did you notice his non-response on the issue of the brand of condoms he uses?). Yeah, I thought the example of Florida was apt: tourists see the state, but they don’t see “the establishment” (that runs the state) in that sense.

Liz

I can see why you decided to list the video. Looking at how many experts on the Thai legal system are lurking in the Youtube vegan audience their advice and constructive feedback must be invaluable to you!

Eisel Mazard

As with the video I made a few days ago about Unnatural Vegan (but that reflected at length about my past as a scholar of Buddhism), I think that some of these reflections (“what Thailand means to me”) are still central to the purpose of the channel.

Sep 8, 2016 at 8:16pm

Q&A with the Vegan Traveler (a Younow broadcaster)

0:10 The future of veganism: your outlook?3:15 “Jen Journey” and the consequences of Vegan Drama. 10:19 What’s your favorite food. 10:50 Court case with Durianrider: why? 14:03 What did you eat today? 15:42 Should we treat meat-eating as an addiction? 17:26 How cheap is the rent in China? 20:22 What is the most effective form of activism? 23:39 What kind of music do you listen to? (Hint: rap music.) 26:20 Are there any vegan rappers? 28:36 What about Edward Snowden (and that poster)? 34:24 Just one last question… (responses to my critics).Lately, the Vegan Traveler has been putting in long hours on Younow (sometimes seven hours per day, effectively hosting a radio show on veganism): https://www.younow.com/VeganTraveler

0:10 The future of veganism: your outlook?3:15 “Jen Journey” and the consequences of Vegan Drama. 10:19 What’s your favorite food. 10:50 Court case with Durianrider: why? 14:03 What did you eat today? 15:42 Should we treat meat-eating as an addiction? 17:26 How cheap is the rent in China? 20:22 What is the most effective form of activism? 23:39 What kind of music do you listen to? (Hint: rap music.) 26:20 Are there any vegan rappers? 28:36 What about Edward Snowden (and that poster)? 34:24 Just one last question… (responses to my critics).Lately, the Vegan Traveler has been putting in long hours on Younow (sometimes seven hours per day, effectively hosting a radio show on veganism): https://www.younow.com/VeganTraveler

Olivia

Would you consider the “Vegan Movement” that you mention to be an extension of the “Animal Rights” movement? I know that Francione has said the “veganism is the moral baseline of the animal rights movement” but do you consider veganism to be distinct from animal rights? Animal rights (again distinct from animal welfare) has a history of politically engaged activism for many many years, is veganism the logical evolution of the movement would you say… ?

Eisel Mazard

They partly overlap, but only partly. You could say the same thing about ecology vs. veganism: not all vegans are motivated by ecology, and not all ecologists care about veganism.

Jessica

Unlikely — but is there pea milk in China? I just tried some (Ripple brand #notsponsored ;)), and it’s sooo good. I was scared to try it, but I’m glad that I did. At last, the Snowden mystery is solved. Have you seen ‘Terms and Conditions May Apply?’ Pretty much scarred me for life re: internet surveillance. This Vegan Traveler is an interesting character. Apparently, a 24-hr YouNow marathon is coming up.

Sep 8, 2016 at 1:53pm

[Other voices:] Vegan Cheetah Highlight Reel (Ranting Against Me, etc.)

For those of you who didn’t watch the (hard-to-endure) full hour, and for those who don’t want to (for obvious reasons), this is a 10 minute highlight reel.

Anastasia

I feel he has a problem, a disorder of some kind or an emotional breakdown. Or this is just his real personality showing…. I am genuinely sad for the guy at this point.

Jessica

TBH, I’m not sure how you didn’t tell VC to f-off earlier — I’m not that patient. I really supported him in his “entertainer” days, but he’s lost me with his “business” talk, especially because he’s not acting professional at all! I really wanted to believe in the good that I saw in him, but I guess that I was wrong.

Sep 8, 2016 at 3:17am

[5 min.] The Vegan Mainstream Paradox: On National Geographic.

As you guys know (or may have noticed), I’m always trying to promote vegans who make videos with real substance (preferably with a political edge), and I’m proud to have sent new viewers to many channels that only had a few dozen subscribers when I first discovered them. Here’s the link to Rock Steel’s channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQgXMPjvotTc701R9GewkQ/videos

As you guys know (or may have noticed), I’m always trying to promote vegans who make videos with real substance (preferably with a political edge), and I’m proud to have sent new viewers to many channels that only had a few dozen subscribers when I first discovered them. Here’s the link to Rock Steel’s channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUQgXMPjvotTc701R9GewkQ/videos

Genevieve Jackson

I like him, but he is a bit of a noob. Seems under the influence of Steve Best or Gary. I love the fast food series though. He is like Rex Kwondo in the film Napoleon Dynamite.

Genevieve Jackson

I think fast food created factory farming. So his attacks on it are very poignant.

Sep 7, 2016 at 9:12am

Still searching for an illustrator (& link to an article on a prior vegan children’s book)

Just a note as I’ve had so many (peculiar) posts lately: I am still looking for an illustrator for the children’s book idea (I posted the first draft… yes, since then, I had to make some minor revisions to the Chinese). In googling around for related keywords (“vegan” + “illustrator”, etc.) I stumbled upon this amusing article (as shown in the image above):http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/is-a-new-pro-vegan-guide-the-most-disturbing-childrens-book-ever/article4103690/

Just a note as I’ve had so many (peculiar) posts lately: I am still looking for an illustrator for the children’s book idea (I posted the first draft… yes, since then, I had to make some minor revisions to the Chinese). In googling around for related keywords (“vegan” + “illustrator”, etc.) I stumbled upon this amusing article (as shown in the image above):http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/parenting/is-a-new-pro-vegan-guide-the-most-disturbing-childrens-book-ever/article4103690/

Nick Knowles

Well, i linked my porftolio earlier, I’ll link some other vegan artists i know you could check out, though they may be pricey because they are quite successful, some more than others but they are all passionate vegans. However most of these people do kind of realistic style or sometimes cartoonish art, i have no idea what you’re after. Keep in mind they can adjust to what you may need, it’s not too tough. http://www.teaganwhite.com/ https://www.facebook.com/JanaSchirmerArt/photos/a.605718579553966.1073741832.544765368982621/776219039170585/?type=3&theater http://naringeninim.deviantart.com/gallery/ https://www.facebook.com/miles.j.johnston/photos_all http://mlunacy.tumblr.com/archive http://www.oliverjanoschek.com/ http://aurorefolny.com/ https://www.facebook.com/anna.fehr http://the-muddy.deviantart.com/gallery/ https://www.facebook.com/claire.e.hind/about (I can’t find a reliable source to this woman’s work but she appears to be very vegan and makes very vegan themed things, if you hit the link and click what she is the founder of (RUDE vegans) it takes you to some of her art.) and my FB if you wanna see my recent work https://www.facebook.com/Fedodika

Eisel Mazard

It’s a funny thing, though: you need to find someone who WANTS the job, someone who WANTS to do illustrations for a children’s book (very limited scope for creativity and style, as it is for kids, etc.).

Melissa Renee

This comment isn’t about an illustrator (sorry!), I just didn’t want to bother you with an email, but thought you may be interested in this news about Obama visiting Laos https://medium.com/the-white-house/after-war-a-new-legacy-of-peace-in-laos-26c43019c8fe#.8ian6qflc

Sep 7, 2016 at 2:15am

[Other voices:] Vegan Gains Clowning the Anti-Bread “Movement”

The longer you’ve been involved with vegan politics, the funnier this will seem to you. It’s a simple joke, but (by the dead gods!) the anti-bread people really take themselves too seriously.

Danielle Danielle

Please, don’t tell me I’m watching this…

John Henderson

He was your perfectly average teenager until he croissanted paths with the wrong kind of kids.

Sep 6, 2016 at 4:21pm

The inevitable “Dr. Evil” cosplay is looming.

You may or may not have heard the final few minutes of my conversation with Jae Costly, but he did say that he wanted to take a posed photograph imitating me… so I suggested that he could try “a cosplay within a cosplay”, alluding to Dr. Evil (and/or the original Dr. No, to some extent).

Jacob Schröck

You sure look like one of those evil zionist bastards who wants us to think, earth actually isn’t flat… just to make your vegan millionaire money, you cheeky kunt!

Jacob Schröck

By the way: Since there seem to be less and less supporters everytime I visit this page, I doubled my pledge to you from 1 to 2 (in words two – yes, I am a generous god) dollars. It’s not much, but I hope it helps you out.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks. I take a long-term view of the thing: in future, I may actually be able to provide “rewards” via Patreon, organize real-world events (a.k.a. “activism”), etc., and stoke up more participation. Right now, as you know, I’m very limited in what I can do (from a desk in Kunming, etc.).

Sep 6, 2016 at 3:35pm

Marijuana causes brain damage + misc. vegan drama.

At the moment, this is posted under the title “Durianrider exposes my greatest secret/scandal ever: my vegan blog.” At some point, I’ll have to revise the title to more closely reflect the content of the video (although it is, partly, in response to Durianrider, and so on). By my standards, this is a very short “tape”, at only 10 minutes in length.

At the moment, this is posted under the title “Durianrider exposes my greatest secret/scandal ever: my vegan blog.” At some point, I’ll have to revise the title to more closely reflect the content of the video (although it is, partly, in response to Durianrider, and so on). By my standards, this is a very short “tape”, at only 10 minutes in length.

Enkeisiar Joestar

You should bring back the blog. Tumblr is cancer but you gotta expect hate from it because its so PC

Eisel Mazard

Tumblr is cancer, but hey, at this point, can we say that vegan Youtube is cancer, or what?

Jacqueline Cohen

I’ve seen a general attitude (usually my fellow 80s babies) of marijuana being viewed as “harmless” not just within veganism. I’ve even heard multiple people state in all seriousness that smoking marijuana doesn’t cause lung damage.

Joe Vaillancourt

80’s baby checking in. High five! I’ve seen that same exact sentiment, but phrased as “marijuana isn’t even a drug, bro”. To me, I don’t see it as any worse than alcohol. Though I’ve noticed on some depression/anxiety forums I frequent that weed can be quite a problem, kickstarting latent disorders at 18-25 y/o.

Sep 6, 2016 at 1:01pm

Unnatural Vegan is Worse than Durianrider, IMHO.

Keep in mind: my channel isn’t about veganism, it’s about my life (and veganism is just one part of my life, not the whole thing… as even the “cover image” for this video indicates).

Nick Knowles

You gotta remember Eisel, she’s not used to dealing with people with actual credentials. I mean think of the people she’s gone after, Freelee, VG, DR, HHV, VC, some Paleo bloggers; Kinda like a fish out of water criticizing you

Eisel Mazard

Although it isn’t the issue discussed in this video, I’d just note: having real insight into effective activism rarely reflects (formal) credentials. In her case, I think she’s lacking both formal and informal experience (of any kind) on the issue that she chooses to make her main platform; someone with only a high-school education could have a lot of insight into any of the issues she speechifies about (hey, let’s keep it real: did I learn anything about Cambodia as part of my _formal_ education?).

Jessica

My gut reaction when I saw UV in the title was “Oh no!” But you brought up some valid and fair points. Both of you positively helped me along my vegan journey, so I can’t help having love for both of you. P.S. I think the bulk of the dislikes come from the title alone.

Sep 5, 2016 at 3:04pm

Shoot the Gorilla.

Five minutes long. Commentary via juxtaposition.

The Truth of the Matter

It saddens me on both perspectives. It’s wrong how the Mother of this child was treated in an almost revengeful way and it’s sad an animal lost it’s life. What really saddens me is that anyone big or small was able to fall through the gates/fencing! I really don’t blame the Mother and I know it’s not the Gorilla’s fault but find blame within the zoo at the way they feel to make the scene more appealing and a better view that they’d not build it safe enough NOBODY would fall/fit through to these animals that should not be subject to humans by thousands daily.

Liz

Huh, I’ve never heard the racist angle to this, and being a non-American it would’ve never occurred to me to bring the skin colour of the kid into the debate. I guess I can’t say I’m surprised? The interesting part (from a media standpoint, not so much an animal rights standpoint) about the whole Harambe story, and what sets it apart from the dentist shooting the Lion or the dog festival coverage, is actually the fact that a lot of the “outrage” is fake and intended to be a parody of Kony 2012-style “facebook activism” (#JusticeForHarambe), as well as exactly the type of hypocritical media coverage that’s also addressed in the video. This situation has culminated into the incredibly popular (yet obviously non-serious) hastag/phrase #DicksoutforHarambe (Dicks referring to guns for anyone that’s not into hip hop), images like this http://tinyurl.com/z55gd4e , and Harambe getting 5% of the votes in a presidential election poll ( http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_7302016.pdf ). I’m not sure if there is any possibility to have a serious discussion about the Harambe incident with “the internet” at this time.

Eisel Mazard

Slightly on-topic: I made my own parody/commentary of/on Kony2012, and it was graded as a university assignment, despite being a youtube video (I think I got an A+). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mHtL1kSlas

Sep 5, 2016 at 5:34am

Vegans are All Millionaire Shills on Steroids (Except D.R.).

The Truth of the Matter

Careful careful! HJ says he will learn a martial art and kick your butt! LOL

Eisel Mazard

He seems to imagine that the interior of a Thai prison is just one big gym and kickboxing facility. -_- He’s mistaken.

Lawrence S Taylor

Harley’s strategy is a good one although it lack any integrity. He throws lies out there and sees what sticks. He is going for the laziest most gullible part of vegan and vegan interested YouTube viewers. Their money is just as good as the other group. He thrives on their adulation. And there likely will be a supply of new followers to replace the longer term followers who peel away. It is a proof of his narcissism that he believes you visited Thailand “his turf” to steal ” his” vegan followers.

Eisel Mazard

This is the other fundamental reality: D.R. and I are just not pursuing the same audience. I really don’t care if his audience has 10,000 people and mine has only 2,000 people: the point is, they’re not the same people. I want to communicate with the people who will get organized TO ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE in the next 5 years, or next 50 years.

Sep 4, 2016 at 5:17pm

My Children’s Story: Even Earthworms Want to See the Sky

At this moment, considerably LESS effort has been put into the English text than was put into the Chinese (it is, in fact, translated from Chinese into English… even though I wrote the Chinese text myself). So, yes, I will probably make minor revisions to the wording. However, I think the challenges for an illustrator are already very clear here. The idea of putting together a children’s book has been discussed within this Patreon for a relatively long time, and was proposed on my youtube channel many, many months ago. Although there are many disadvantages to being Canadian, we actually have huge advantages in getting children’s books published: the government pours money into this “industry” (so that it barely operates as an industry, to be quite honest). However, if the illustrator is not a Canadian citizen, that actually reduces the amount of subsidy received by the publisher. See the PDF, attached.

At this moment, considerably LESS effort has been put into the English text than was put into the Chinese (it is, in fact, translated from Chinese into English… even though I wrote the Chinese text myself). So, yes, I will probably make minor revisions to the wording. However, I think the challenges for an illustrator are already very clear here. The idea of putting together a children’s book has been discussed within this Patreon for a relatively long time, and was proposed on my youtube channel many, many months ago. Although there are many disadvantages to being Canadian, we actually have huge advantages in getting children’s books published: the government pours money into this “industry” (so that it barely operates as an industry, to be quite honest). However, if the illustrator is not a Canadian citizen, that actually reduces the amount of subsidy received by the publisher. See the PDF, attached.

Earthworm story, Eisel Mazard, 1st draft, 2016.pdf1

Liz

That’s really beautiful work! Aside from publishing this in physical (and pc-compatible digital) form, may I suggest to look into publishing this as an app for tablets (iPads) as well? This might also be a project that’d offer itself to translations.

Jessica

I love it, Eisel. Will read to my dogs and relay their hard-hitting critique(s) because, y’know, they always expect excellence ^_^ If you need help translating, HMU

Sep 4, 2016 at 12:22am

It’s always unreasonable to expect excellence: Vegan Politics.

Yes, I realize that including “Vegan Politics” in the title may be redundant, given that this is on my channel… but, behold, another 30 minutes on the topic, with an amusing interruption when my pressure-cooker (in the background) finishes boiling the 薏仁米.

Melissa Renee

Excellent (hehe) point, Eisel. Don’t be jelly or you’ll have to go to jelly school: https://youtu.be/oSBiH-AQtWs https://youtu.be/6SzbyZGyR2U Life story time… My parents’ definition of success is oriented around money. My older brothers excelled in math and science and went to University of Michigan and got engineering degrees, aerospace engineering and chemical engineering respectively. Insanely difficult programs. They did awesome, so I had a lot to live up to. I don’t have the same penchant for math and science, however. I did fine in the classes in high school, but my niche has always been language arts and social sciences. They’ve furthered their education, the oldest one moved out to California for a job at Lockheed Martin and they helped him pay for his masters degree in aerospace engineering at Stanford University while he worked full-time for them. My other brother got his PhD in chemical engineering at University of Florida, his was a fellowship so he got a stipend. Both of them were so great at what they do that they received financial help with their advanced degrees. They’re both doing well now, living in California and Florida (UGH I definitely get envious of this fact when it’s negative degrees here in Michigan) with great jobs. In my parents’ eyes, they are the picture of success. I, on the other hand, am not. Lol. My parents love me no matter what because they’re good people, but obviously they want success (i.e. MONEY) for me. My mom’s a nurse, so she’s been an influence on me to go in the health sciences direction. I also went to University of Michigan and at the start had the idea of becoming a doctor because out of the hard sciences, I did the best in biology, and honestly I was a kid and hadn’t really comprehended all that was entailed. I wasn’t passionate about becoming a doctor, but my parents said it was what I should be aiming for, and it was a career path I thought I could help people in and earn a good living. I was hoping I could double major in biology and English to indulge my interest in reading and writing at a college level, but, holy shit, the pre-med requirement classes were so difficult. I studied my ass off, basically had no social life, but I still was doing poorly. I’d never received a final grade lower than an B in a class before college, but one semester when I took physics, neurobiology, and organic chemistry I was put on academic probation because I got such terrible grades. That was a turning point for me. I was like, “I can’t keep trying to push a square peg through a round hole. I’m awful at science but I’m fucking good at writing and reading, I just want to major in English, damnit.” So I did, to the annoyance of my parents who were like, uhh you’re not gonna make any money? I just kinda said, “I’ll figure it out and make do.” But when I graduated and jobs were scarce for someone with my education, I floundered. I kind of have been floundering for the past two years since I graduated, and in the back of my mind there’s a voice of jealousy: “I’m just not as smart as my brothers, so I can’t and never will be as successful as them.” However, I have learned a lot about myself and life in those years of floundering. I’ve been working as an office assistant for two years now trying to figure out what I want my career to be. I’ve been taking postbachelor classes in speech language pathology, but I’ve been taking them very slowly out of fear that I’m making the wrong decision, that this career path still won’t be good enough, that maybe I get through all of this hard work in grad school and hate the job… Fear of failure, basically, fear that no matter what, I’ll still be jealous of my older brothers and their incredible success. I’ve learned the hard way that jealousy can lead to self-pity, excuses, and inaction. Instead of being jealous of my brothers’ success, I realized that I can learn from their success by using the skills I excel at to contribute to the world around me. Yeah, their skills make them more likely to earn money, and my skills don’t. That’s okay. I’ve slowly been building confidence in myself and learning that I can still make a living using my love of language to help others through speech therapy. I see it as kind of a combination of health sciences and language. It’s an excellent path for me, and instead of being afraid, I’ve recently been embracing the future and embracing that even though I won’t be making a lot of money, I will be successful in helping people with the skills that I have. TL;DR: I agree, and I know how destructive jealousy can be. We shouldn’t be jelly of gay rights, Mother’s Against Drunk Driving, etc.. We should learn from their success, not wallow in self-pity, inaction, excuses. We should capitalize on what advantages we do have, like having people across the world in a variety of occupations who can be vocal about their veganism and work to create community centers around the world. Since you’ve talked about it, I’ve been dreaming about having a vegan district in Detroit. Especially with the urban farming projects that have been popping up. I’d never thought about that becoming a reality before, so your videos definitely continue to inspire me and give me hope for the future of this movement. Alright, now back to classwork, I just procrastinated hardcore.

Sep 3, 2016 at 6:17pm

Do You Like Bananas? “The Death of a Dream” Revisited.

Just two minutes long, and yet…

Danielle Danielle

Good one!

Sep 3, 2016 at 2:12pm

Progress is a Matter of Perspective, Change is a Matter of Fact.

Here’s the link to the channel mentioned (by a guy named Dorney): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSIxjUKxnKu7U_hrVTIwcEw/videos

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Dorney

Thanks, Eisel! I’m trying to reduce my ramblings a small bit haha. Just finished my MA so I’ll have a bit more time now.

Stan

I literally just downloaded open source publishing software, began reviewing existing vegan pamphlets, and am tailoring material for the people of my city

Sep 3, 2016 at 10:07am

Matters of Principle

This is MUCH easier to listen to (thanks to captions) than the version that Cheetah posted himself.

The Truth of the Matter

Someone said it perfectly regarding Charles making the statement “I’m the vegan fn cheetah” , “it’s a vegan drama channel”, “I’m here for the money” ……….He’s relieving himself of responsibility which can only get a person by so far before it doesn’t work any longer because there’s real people that are here for real reasons.

John Henderson

I’d love to have the skills to make a ‘political cartoon’ about veganism. I’m more of a music person though. Not so sure where music skills fit into the vegansim demimond activism though. Any ideas? here’s my latest effort. (sampled kerry mcarpet) https://soundcloud.com/double_negative/shen-resolutions-double-negative-remix-2016-final

Sep 3, 2016 at 5:15am

Book Review: Half Earth by Edward O. Wilson.

This book is, in fact, the first gift (or object of any kind) sent to me by VIEWERS LIKE YOU. Presumably, it is just a matter of time before the slippery slope leads me to be reviewing vegan foxhunting equipment, vegan condoms, etc.

Eva Weiß

The soil problem is a big deal and smart agriculture is needed to deal with it. Soil is a limited ressource even most people almost never think about it. And especially fertile soils are limited and soil degradation by mismanagement, erosion and sealing through expansion of urban areas are reducing the available farmland every year while the pulation keeps increasing. The soils in developed countries are already producing the maximum of what is possible with crop breeding, fertilization, pesticides and mechanization. While in developing countries there is still potential depending on the Areas soil (e.g. soils in Sahel Zone simply are one of the worlds poorest – interestingly agricultural Projects to improve agriculture in Africa only happen in areas where soils aren’t too bad and where results can be acchieved).

Just another fact is that most humans settled often in areas with better soils, so wherever you have big cities expanding chances are very high that good soils are lost foever by sealing it.

In Germany almost all good soils have been turned into farmland and forest only grows on the worse soils, because farming there was abandoned. And all our new streets, new industrial areas etc. are usually built on Farmland.

Jacob Schröck

Thanks

Eva Weiß

Here a 5min Video Clip about current issues surrounding soils: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ND5Jl-jjmI

Eisel Mazard

Cool to hear from you, Eva, and it is strange that you’re now visiting Canada… but I’m in China!

Sep 2, 2016 at 12:18pm

And now, an important message from the Vegan Cheetah.

Michelle Mintmier

I still have a lot of faith in VC, much in part by videos like this that are clearly inspired by you, Eisel. I don’t know all the details of why the two of you now have a beef, but I really wish it weren’t so. In general, I feel that the two of you can and should be okay with holding different YouTube niches. You are serious and reflective, he is drama-based. Both can pull in new viewers, keep old viewers entertained and engaged, and both can certainly serve to normalize veganism for anyone….which is, I feel, the base goal we should all have. Again, I really wish for a reconciliation between you as I see your friendship and collaboration as a powerful force. If not, I’ll continue to love you both, but my life will be a tiny bit incomplete. LOL Also, I predict VC will become less scandal-driven as his channel grows….I think he has the talent and potential to do more serious journalism and have a more professional channel. And we as viewers can urge him in this direction.

The Truth of the Matter

It began when Charles made a video regarding the Mojo d-pics and Eisel dared to state it was wrong. But before this was Mojo criticizing charles. Eisel has reached out many times in attempt to resolve this while Charles has ignored him while making defaming videos and comments on an ongoing basis. The worse imo is when he brought Eisel’s soon to be ex wife and accusations of abuse into it. A good reporter would get at least a statement from both sides and a friend would speak to another in private regarding such. Charles has spoke of Eisel sending very disgusting vids to women, possibly being an woman abuser etc…….. He seems really vindictive. That sure isn’t a good mixture to have while being in the public eye not to mention coming across an unbiased reporter/spokesperson. I hope your prediction is right. It seems as he grows he’s getting worse imho.

The Truth of the Matter

On another note there are many professionals that are Vegan. He’s asking us to “imagine” something that’s already going on. Maybe he means more of them, I dunno. Lol. He’s speaking of people denouncing him and calling him names but how is that any different than what he does in vids all of the time??? Where’s his encouragement? Him getting an education is great but that does not change the negative he’s spreading.

Anastasia

My point exactly, about education.

Sep 2, 2016 at 8:26am

New (1hr+) Conversation with the Vegan Cheetah

Yep, we just had a conversation (circa 1h 10 min) that Cheetah said he would re-post to Youtube. It was unplanned and spontaneous, and… well… you guys can judge for yourselves. He became more and more aggravated as the conversation progressed. During the discussion, I said several times that I hope he’ll listen to the video again himself at some point, when he’s calmed down, as I think there’s a lot for him to learn from it. For him, BTW, the conversation lasted from circa 2:15 AM to 3:15 AM (whereas, for me, it was the middle of the afternoon). I assume you’ll find that video (soon enough) on “The Vegan Drama” (a channel that he now uses to archive his Younow broadcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-mzJ6FQ2uZEexcMx2hB_9A/videos

Yep, we just had a conversation (circa 1h 10 min) that Cheetah said he would re-post to Youtube. It was unplanned and spontaneous, and… well… you guys can judge for yourselves. He became more and more aggravated as the conversation progressed. During the discussion, I said several times that I hope he’ll listen to the video again himself at some point, when he’s calmed down, as I think there’s a lot for him to learn from it. For him, BTW, the conversation lasted from circa 2:15 AM to 3:15 AM (whereas, for me, it was the middle of the afternoon). I assume you’ll find that video (soon enough) on “The Vegan Drama” (a channel that he now uses to archive his Younow broadcasts: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-mzJ6FQ2uZEexcMx2hB_9A/videos

Anastasia

I have just watched bits and pieces of that podcast. I honestly cannot understand how this guy used to be your friend, this is just beyond my understanding. I followed him after the previous podcast you guys did together, and unfollowed after he dragged your family issues into this. Vegan Mojo defamation etc. along with the slander of other people (e.g. his rude as hell comments about Channon Rose) contributed to my decision too. He is just delusional. What is it that this person cannot understand? You are being very civil with him and he is just showing the total lack of mental capacity. I just cannot believe that you have wasted time on all of that bullshit, seriously, why. I mean I understand why you did it, I would have done it too I think if I were in your position, but why is it even a topic. Do you know what I mean? What is there to discuss? Is not this obvious? Family matters should NEVER be dragged into all of this, never. Being a moral, ethical person is not about what is convinient, it is about what is right. “If you talk shit about me, I talk shit about you” principle should not be the one to follow if you claim to be a decent member of a civilized society. I see no difference now between him and DR, what a disappointment that guy is: very low quality content as of now, lack of any morals or behavioural standards, he is just not worth your friendship, time and respect. He is something like 28 years old, is not he? I am sure there are other ways even for an ex-convict to make a living, it should not be that you drag other people through the gutter on your way to fame and glory. IDK, if you are learning to become a journalist, you should probably know how to write well, so why do not you find a job as an editor (it sounds funny considering some of his earlier comments, but I am serious). Check other people’s essays (e.g. non-native speakers studying at uni who require help). I am sure there must be plenty of other things you can do and remain a decent person.

Jessica

This was a hot mess. I already shared my thoughts with Charlie on his drama channel. Personally, I’d love to hear you talk about sources and fact-checking, but I can be a total nerd sometimes. But, you never know, maybe TVC will also listen. TBH, I’m sure he would because I feel like he still looks up to you in some way. I’m curious: why did you leave the editing field? You’re a talented writer (read the White Elephants essay…totally expecting it to be about elephants lulz) and you enjoy reading, seems like a natural fit.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “(read the White Elephants essay…totally expecting it to be about elephants lulz)”… It is low-key hilarious to me that so many people have tried to defame me with material from my Tumblr, Couchsurfing profile, etc., that is entirely non-sexual, while that one essay/story IS ACTUALLY ABOUT SEX.

Sep 1, 2016 at 2:44pm

[Other voices:] Durianrider continues to build a mythos around me.

Oh, man, I laughed a lot watching this video (but, seriously, some of you may NOT want to watch it… not everyone has the detachment to watch this sort of thing and laugh). In this video, Durianrider reheats some old (false) allegations (e.g., about my supposed sex-life with an unspecified 16-year-old girl, and that I was banned from an unspecified Canadian vegan organization because of my harassment of women, etc.). This video certainly proves one thing: as I said in my fundraising video long ago, Durianrider won’t stop until someone stands up and forces him to stop. The process of the law may be slow, but it is ongoing, and my case is not the only one against him (remember Hannah Chloe?). Meanwhile, yes, I find it absolutely hilarious that Durianrider has created the story that I was a failed actor who got drunk and took my name from Hamlet (etc.). He’s actually constructing a fabulous legend around me, and creating a lot of “P.R.” that’s more positive than negative in the long term (hey… my parents are millionaires? Great!). And yeah, it’s always better to have this stuff laughed about now, rather than later. BTW, the reason why my old blog has never been deleted is (as you’d expect!) because I’m not ashamed of anything on there: D.R. tries to make a scandal out of some mildly witty comments I made in my own defense (the actual content of the “dispute” with the other blogger was completely banal, but I did make a few good jokes in there). http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/

Oh, man, I laughed a lot watching this video (but, seriously, some of you may NOT want to watch it… not everyone has the detachment to watch this sort of thing and laugh). In this video, Durianrider reheats some old (false) allegations (e.g., about my supposed sex-life with an unspecified 16-year-old girl, and that I was banned from an unspecified Canadian vegan organization because of my harassment of women, etc.). This video certainly proves one thing: as I said in my fundraising video long ago, Durianrider won’t stop until someone stands up and forces him to stop. The process of the law may be slow, but it is ongoing, and my case is not the only one against him (remember Hannah Chloe?). Meanwhile, yes, I find it absolutely hilarious that Durianrider has created the story that I was a failed actor who got drunk and took my name from Hamlet (etc.). He’s actually constructing a fabulous legend around me, and creating a lot of “P.R.” that’s more positive than negative in the long term (hey… my parents are millionaires? Great!). And yeah, it’s always better to have this stuff laughed about now, rather than later. BTW, the reason why my old blog has never been deleted is (as you’d expect!) because I’m not ashamed of anything on there: D.R. tries to make a scandal out of some mildly witty comments I made in my own defense (the actual content of the “dispute” with the other blogger was completely banal, but I did make a few good jokes in there). http://vegan-mind-tricks.tumblr.com/

Jessica

Eisel, you’re one sour mofo DR is acting like an ex who can’t move on. He literally seems heartbroken over VG. I swear, he’s like a kid who can only make conclusions via pictures. (Who’s the grown man hanging out with underage girls, referring to himself as ‘Daddy’ in their presence and looking at their cleavage?) I can’t believe you and that chick had beefless beef over a tee — although I’m confused about the dean/uni situation. It’s very obvious that she still hates you. SMH the internet. Skimmed your blog — yup, still sounds like you (e.g. good and evil, fragmentation and making vegan friends :/). However, I do feel deceived: I always thought your eyes were brown ;P Sour canary in the coal mine VS. sweet/high fructose kingfisher, round 2? -_-

The Truth of the Matter

@Jessica, your posts are almost always funny.

Sean Donahue

FYI Soycrates has a new post on tumblr. It appears to be a response to one of DR’s anonymous posts. http://soycrates.tumblr.com/post/149898644313/hey-can-you-make-a-video-or-a-post-about-eisel

Sep 1, 2016 at 1:22am

[Other voices:] Even the bikini models are quitting HCLF/RT4

I discovered this channel months ago, when I was learning Japanese (not Chinese).

Nick Knowles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CaZ4EAexQ

Eisel Mazard

Sadly, they had a white actor play that role, and his accent is 100% wrong (for Laos). That was probably the most high-profile Lao role of the century, but he doesn’t sound Laotian at all. Also, inexplicably, they were depicted as following Tibetan Buddhism (conflating Tibet with Laos).

Mike On Raw

The diet she is not calling HCLF, really kinda still is. She just changed her staples and is following a more variety type of diet with more fruits and less starches. She looks pretty small so her calorie requirements in general are likely pretty low. And I personally always recommend people track their food for the first few weeks if not months of going vegan to make sure your micro nutrient profile gets filled. It takes quite a variety of fruits and vegetables to fill that profile. I still struggle at times when I’m busy with work and family to fully optimize that profile. Dr. Greger’s daily dozen is a good target that does fill things out pretty well.

Eisel Mazard

Nice to hear from you, Mike. I just checked on your youtube channel a few days ago.

Aug 31, 2016 at 1:04am

Quit Now: Why Henya SHOULD Quit Youtube.

Recorded circa 1:30 AM (spontaneously, of course). As many of you will guess before the first click, this is primarily a set of reflections on why I don’t quit (what should positively motivate someone to stay in the game), but it is, also, a set of reflections on why Henya should.

Jessica

Henya looks exhausted, you look exhausted. But I think constant abuse will do that to anyone. Do you think you’d ever delete your videos/channel?

Eisel Mazard

Meh. I recorded that at 1:30 AM, and I had a lot of muscle pain from the gym. I may look exhausted, but I’ve got the strength of ten vegans.

Aug 30, 2016 at 4:42pm

[Other voices:] Everything is about politics (even this garbage).

You may think this sort of written statement is a waste of my time (and, in a sense, obviously, you’d be right), but, on the other hand, we all do too much “preaching to the choir” in the vegan demimonde. If you aren’t going to make this sort of statement to someone who rejects it, who are you going to offer it to?And now, do you want the link to the video in question? Really? You’ll need to be prepared to fast-forward, but here it is, Martin Louis’s dazzling reply to my recent crticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8vWiRlw9w

You may think this sort of written statement is a waste of my time (and, in a sense, obviously, you’d be right), but, on the other hand, we all do too much “preaching to the choir” in the vegan demimonde. If you aren’t going to make this sort of statement to someone who rejects it, who are you going to offer it to?And now, do you want the link to the video in question? Really? You’ll need to be prepared to fast-forward, but here it is, Martin Louis’s dazzling reply to my recent crticism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8vWiRlw9w

The Truth of the Matter

I’ve attempted to watch one vid of this person and I cannot. It’s shameless.

Nick P

I like his videos, they are just funny, not very serious

Aug 30, 2016 at 3:53pm

[Other voices:] Vegan Ava gets a defamation notice from Youtube.

No, Ava, the notice didn’t say that you’d been banned in Canada: it was a notification that you’d broken the defamation laws IN THAILAND, where you live. Apparently, she didn’t even read the legal warning that youtube sent her (it’s a notification that she’s breaking the law with their software, something very different from what Durianrider foisted on Cheetah via copyright claims). And, yes, here’s my reply to her: “Ava, I’ve reached out to you (positively) many times, and you never ‘took the high road’, on the contrary, you have defamed me (stooping to insult me on matters connected to my daughter, etc.), and the real question is this: in the next five years, what are you ACTUALLY going to do to advance the vegan movement? Now use your imagination as to what you think I’m going to do. Now ask yourself: who, really, is a fraud here?”

No, Ava, the notice didn’t say that you’d been banned in Canada: it was a notification that you’d broken the defamation laws IN THAILAND, where you live. Apparently, she didn’t even read the legal warning that youtube sent her (it’s a notification that she’s breaking the law with their software, something very different from what Durianrider foisted on Cheetah via copyright claims). And, yes, here’s my reply to her: “Ava, I’ve reached out to you (positively) many times, and you never ‘took the high road’, on the contrary, you have defamed me (stooping to insult me on matters connected to my daughter, etc.), and the real question is this: in the next five years, what are you ACTUALLY going to do to advance the vegan movement? Now use your imagination as to what you think I’m going to do. Now ask yourself: who, really, is a fraud here?”

Nick Knowles

Vegan Ava is a special young lady

Eisel Mazard

But on some level, I actually do wonder what she’ll be doing 5 years from now. The life she’s currently living in Chiang Mai would become boring to most people after about two months. Although I doubt she’s going to step forward and become a major leader in the vegan movement, it’s inevitable that she’s going to do SOMETHING. Even Joe Best had to change: sometimes, things just can’t stay the same.

The Truth of the Matter

As with the rest of the “leaders” of rt4 the hypocrisy is deep. Not long ago she, fl and dr launched an attack of false cr claims themselves. Either she forgets quickly, thinks her audience does or believes she should be held at different standards to make a vid about this. What she’s been doing is not merely an opinion she’s repeatedly spewed but lies and defamation! She always seems so oblivious to the obvious. O.O

Aug 30, 2016 at 2:52pm

Minor ironies (of NOT being an academic)

[Below follows my reply to the message shown above. As will be clear by the end of the reply, I really don’t owe these people an explanation (they invited me to attend, but I never said I could/would attend!), but I chose to let them know a little bit about who I am in reply, and I share that now with y’all (most of you are aware of this stuff, but some of you aren’t, and some of you forget, I’d wager).]I’m sorry to hear that you reserved a place for me, and then were surprised by my absence.

I am not a salaried professor. I am not a man of leisure.

I am a poor person, with near-zero income.

I am a divorced parent, with a three-year-old daughter. My daughter lives in France and Germany.

In addition to (currently) paying for lawyers in my divorce, I am now also paying for lawyers in Thailand, where (a few months ago) people threatened to murder me (for political reasons), and defamed me, threatened to beat me up, etc.*

* [The story is amusing in its way, and there is a great deal of talk about it on the internet even now.]

I am currently living in Kunming, China, and I have been through a long series of unforeseen circumstances within the last year (including, e.g., applying to join the Canadian army, applying for numerous other jobs (in Japan, especially) that I did not get offered, and, ultimately, relocating from Canada to China, something I did not expect to do, as I was no longer studying Chinese).

Although I appreciated your invitation, if you check the record of the messages I have sent to you within the last year (or two years, by now?) there has never been any indication that it was possible for me to travel to Europe to attend this conference. I have never said that I would go (initially), nor have I ever confirmed my attendance.

If you had sent me an e-mail asking if I would attend at any point in the last three months (or even six months, etc.), I would have answered with, “no”. However, in the last year, I have never (falsely) indicated, “yes”.

I do not know if salaried professors are in a position to make such a commitment years in advance, etc., but I am not: my life has been a terrible struggle, and it continues to be a terrible struggle.

However, I never lied to you: I have never sent you any e-mail (falsely) indicating that it was possible for me to attend this event, and if you did a google-search for my name, you would soon discover that I am living in China (etc.).

http://www.eisel-mazard.com/

Regards,

E.M.

[Below follows my reply to the message shown above. As will be clear by the end of the reply, I really don’t owe these people an explanation (they invited me to attend, but I never said I could/would attend!), but I chose to let them know a little bit about who I am in reply, and I share that now with y’all (most of you are aware of this stuff, but some of you aren’t, and some of you forget, I’d wager).]I’m sorry to hear that you reserved a place for me, and then were surprised by my absence.

I am not a salaried professor. I am not a man of leisure.

I am a poor person, with near-zero income.

I am a divorced parent, with a three-year-old daughter. My daughter lives in France and Germany.

In addition to (currently) paying for lawyers in my divorce, I am now also paying for lawyers in Thailand, where (a few months ago) people threatened to murder me (for political reasons), and defamed me, threatened to beat me up, etc.*

* [The story is amusing in its way, and there is a great deal of talk about it on the internet even now.]

I am currently living in Kunming, China, and I have been through a long series of unforeseen circumstances within the last year (including, e.g., applying to join the Canadian army, applying for numerous other jobs (in Japan, especially) that I did not get offered, and, ultimately, relocating from Canada to China, something I did not expect to do, as I was no longer studying Chinese).

Although I appreciated your invitation, if you check the record of the messages I have sent to you within the last year (or two years, by now?) there has never been any indication that it was possible for me to travel to Europe to attend this conference. I have never said that I would go (initially), nor have I ever confirmed my attendance.

If you had sent me an e-mail asking if I would attend at any point in the last three months (or even six months, etc.), I would have answered with, “no”. However, in the last year, I have never (falsely) indicated, “yes”.

I do not know if salaried professors are in a position to make such a commitment years in advance, etc., but I am not: my life has been a terrible struggle, and it continues to be a terrible struggle.

However, I never lied to you: I have never sent you any e-mail (falsely) indicating that it was possible for me to attend this event, and if you did a google-search for my name, you would soon discover that I am living in China (etc.).

http://www.eisel-mazard.com/

Regards,

E.M.

The Truth of the Matter

That is the most odd message I’ve seen lately. Who writes something like that even over someone that really did confirm they would attend? Dammit Eisel, they waited in vain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jessica

The poor person on the receiving end of this email. I’d pay to see their reaction

Aug 30, 2016 at 9:27am

Meanwhile…

To be honest, these days, I wonder how much I should be saying about my “private life” on Patreon, on Youtube, or anywhere else. Obviously, the contrast between what my life really is and the mythology that’s developed around me (thanks, in part, even to Cheetah now) is extreme.

Chantal Wilson

well, you used to have a clear perspective on why you were doing youtube the way you were. Perhaps you should remind yourself of that. Charles likes mess. Thats what he understands.

Eisel Mazard

I just uploaded a video on that topic a few hours ago (the one with Henya in the title), i.e., why I do what I do (on youtube).

Jay B

你写中文写的不。你自己练习中文

Eisel Mazard

我想练习,但是我练习什么,我不知道。

Aug 28, 2016 at 3:56pm

[Other voices:] Joe Best does something genuinely unexpected.

Joe Best has been working hard to reinvent himself as a RT4 antichrist (after so many years as a RT4 apologist, sometimes acting as an instigator on D.R.’s behalf, etc.)… but that isn’t all he’s been doing. In a world where so many things seem predictable, this is genuinely unexpected.

Jessica

Are we getting closer to getting the olive branch/leaf back? I feel like he left you speechless, and that’s not an easy thing to do. While I wouldn’t personally trust him, when JB’s not BSing, there’s something loveable about him. Well, I have love for him and want him to achieve his transformation goals. I think most of your haters are some of your biggest fans — they’re just in denial. I wonder who Veggie Kray is based on; I have a suspicion, but he’s new on the scene. Side note: this could be the most successful vegan collab channel evah.

Eisel Mazard

Sadly, “Vegan Collaboration” seems to be a contradiction in terms. Is anyone here old enough to remember when I did collaborations with Cheetah? -_-

Jon Reeves

So you took everybody’s money just to pay for translation costs? When actual charges are filed I will support your channel with $100. Just taking money and then no charges are actually filed is doing nothing. I’m removing my pledge until something is really done.

Joe Vaillancourt

If you scroll further down there is a video called: Will Durianrider go to Jail? In that video he states that the charges were filed. Money went to the lawyer, paperwork had to be notarized which means that it must be translated into Thai because they won’t take english, all of which costs money. Sorry, this isn’t TV.

Aug 28, 2016 at 7:13am

Vegans: proto-activism for a proto-political movement.

This video consists of replies to two of my Patreon supporters (who sent messages to me), and some related reflections on the (putative) future of veganism as a political movement.

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Steven

I know you say you’re not teaching veganism 101, but this video and “On Community” should be required reading for all new students. Also – if Molly (or any other folks considering law school) have any interest in speaking with me, please feel free to forward my contact info to them. Appreciate the shout out!

Jacqueline Cohen

I fall in that category of those that find your content meaningful and don’t comment often. Your content gives me a lot to think about, which I really appreciate.

Aug 28, 2016 at 7:04am

Scandal-mongering: the downward spiral.

You can’t simply talk about “learning from experience”: people will (often) learn the wrong lesson from experience. I’ve already made a video complaining that I didn’t want to see people falsely accusing Durianrider of being a pedophile (just because Durianrider falsely accused me of being a pedophile)… the whole point was to raise standards of conduct so that nobody is getting accused of such things. But I’ve now seen Cheetah do exactly that (referring to D.R. as a pedophile) and others are quick to follow the trend. Many people (like Martin Lewis, here) have simply learned the wrong lesson from the last few months in vegan “activism”: instead of trying to raise standards of conduct, they’re trying to lower them, and jump at every opportunity for slut-shaming and sensationalism.This can’t be the future of veganism: I’m not saying that it shouldn’t be, I’m saying that it CAN’T be. Slut-shaming and manufacturing fake scandals can’t even be the future of tabloid newspapers, and it can’t be the future of an ecological-and-ethical movement.

If you want to see the video I’ve shown in the image above, I warn that you’ll probably need to “fast forward” a great deal: most of it is incoherent, and, yes, it does include some incoherent insults/slander directed toward myself, along with Jason Pizzino and several others. https://youtu.be/RbGj-hp-x-8

You can’t simply talk about “learning from experience”: people will (often) learn the wrong lesson from experience. I’ve already made a video complaining that I didn’t want to see people falsely accusing Durianrider of being a pedophile (just because Durianrider falsely accused me of being a pedophile)… the whole point was to raise standards of conduct so that nobody is getting accused of such things. But I’ve now seen Cheetah do exactly that (referring to D.R. as a pedophile) and others are quick to follow the trend. Many people (like Martin Lewis, here) have simply learned the wrong lesson from the last few months in vegan “activism”: instead of trying to raise standards of conduct, they’re trying to lower them, and jump at every opportunity for slut-shaming and sensationalism.This can’t be the future of veganism: I’m not saying that it shouldn’t be, I’m saying that it CAN’T be. Slut-shaming and manufacturing fake scandals can’t even be the future of tabloid newspapers, and it can’t be the future of an ecological-and-ethical movement.

If you want to see the video I’ve shown in the image above, I warn that you’ll probably need to “fast forward” a great deal: most of it is incoherent, and, yes, it does include some incoherent insults/slander directed toward myself, along with Jason Pizzino and several others. https://youtu.be/RbGj-hp-x-8

Nick Knowles

I really do not like this guy

Michelle Mintmier

While I find all the drama boring and seemingly unproductive, I wonder if there isn’t an important niche it fills in the sense of normalizing veganism. I’m particularly thinking of Vegan Cheetah’s casual vegan activism. He’s a lot of things: a very interesting vlogger, a drama ‘reporter,’ and an all around compelling personality. His veganism is usually in the background as a sort of white noise that I feel serves to normalize veganism, in a way. I would love to see him keep growing as a YouTube personality and be a huge mainstream star who also happens to be vegan. I think this would do a lot for the movement.

Aug 27, 2016 at 4:36am

The Ethical Omnivore Revisited (Vegan Masterpiece Theater)

Shout out to Ryan Clarken, you can find his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/DiscoSaladGames/videos

Nick Knowles

very psychotic

Aug 26, 2016 at 2:06am

No big deal, but… (Breaking bread with your enemies)

It really is no big deal, but some of you will recall that there was a time when I really did try to have positive communication even with people like Joe Best (and in Joe’s case, dyslexia seems to have been part of the problem: I think he really could not read/understand much of what I was saying to him). I keep saying that I’m not a nice guy, but I take a long-term view of these things: what are any of these people going to be doing 5 years from now? As has already been shown in Joe Best’s case, it is extremely unlikely that their devotion to this cult will last. In other cases (e.g., Izzy D) it just seems inevitable that people will finish university, get a real job, and will become more serious about veganism, simply because they’ll become more serious about life. Even for those most committed to the permanent vacation, really, “all is impermanent”.Oh, and if you want the link to the particular video (of Ava’s) where I posted this most-recent message, it’s here (title: “Why am I so aggressive and angry?”): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur81w1jockQ

Liz

I really don’t think she’s trying to produce quality content, she’s just in it for the click bait. The wannabe Nicole Arbour of Youtube veganism or something like that.

Mr Hippo

hilariously stupid. the poor girl really needs to get a grip as she is not doing well on youtube and when life catches up she will be deleting it all very fast for when she returns to reality

Eisel Mazard

BTW, I didn’t realize you (qua Mr. Hippo) were producing a children’s book: I am too (as has been hinted at in earlier videos), and I’ll probably post the script here on Patreon within 24 or 48 hours.

Aug 25, 2016 at 4:33pm

Durianrider: Threats, Lies, Videotape. (4 min. long!)

Yeah, I know what you’re thinking: “As if this guy hasn’t uploaded enough this week already…”. True, but you have to remember: people discover my channel for the first time every day, and I get messages from people who are genuinely confused, because this is the first they’ve heard of the controversy, etc.

Yeah, I know what you’re thinking: “As if this guy hasn’t uploaded enough this week already…”. True, but you have to remember: people discover my channel for the first time every day, and I get messages from people who are genuinely confused, because this is the first they’ve heard of the controversy, etc.

The Truth of the Matter

I wonder if HJ even realizes reality most often.

Eisel Mazard

One well-connected vegan (who shall remain anonymous) wrote to me indicating that she was certain (based on statements from D.R.) that he suddenly departed from Thailand because he was aware that the police wanted to talk to him, press charges against him, etc. I can only say that this is possible, but D.R. puts out so much “white noise” and misinformation, that it also could be that he was just joking around, and was leaving Thailand at that time anyway (e.g., because Freelee indicated that she was willing to meet up with him, or for some other reason that was decisive in terms of the timing).

Aug 25, 2016 at 12:21pm

[Other voices:] The danger of remaining silent is…

It will be obvious to most of you that I do not agree with Powsimian’s sentiments here, but my point (in sharing this link) is to draw attention to the danger of being silent (on such a controversy) on the internet. Many people criticize me for speaking openly about my divorce, my daughter, etc., but they don’t consider what the alternative scenario is: imagine what people would say about me if I had kept my divorce secret (until some “scandal” emerged, real or contrived). Imagine what my situation would be now if I’d remained silent about Durianrider’s allegations, or any of the bizarre controversies (important or absurd) that have unfolded in the past year. Here, you can see how Hannah Chloé’s silence is interpreted. On the internet, silence is dangerous: people tend to condemn whoever is silent (even when the facts so heavily weigh on the opposite side of the balance).

It will be obvious to most of you that I do not agree with Powsimian’s sentiments here, but my point (in sharing this link) is to draw attention to the danger of being silent (on such a controversy) on the internet. Many people criticize me for speaking openly about my divorce, my daughter, etc., but they don’t consider what the alternative scenario is: imagine what people would say about me if I had kept my divorce secret (until some “scandal” emerged, real or contrived). Imagine what my situation would be now if I’d remained silent about Durianrider’s allegations, or any of the bizarre controversies (important or absurd) that have unfolded in the past year. Here, you can see how Hannah Chloé’s silence is interpreted. On the internet, silence is dangerous: people tend to condemn whoever is silent (even when the facts so heavily weigh on the opposite side of the balance).

Alexa

Well he’s no John Nash, unfortunately. Did he literally forget about what was in his own intro/outro clips when he cited Hannah Chloé’s as evidence of her shadiness?

Eisel Mazard

To keep it 100% honest, though, the outro clip on that video seemed really inappropriate: I assume Hannah had it added automatically, and/or just didn’t think much about it… but even I had to raise an eyebrow at the sudden shift in tone. And, yeah, this is coming from someone who puts snippets of interviews with retired rap-vocalists at the end of his videos.

Joseph Howell

Is he saying ‘shut down’, or ‘shot down’? I need to know which one to avoid hearing for the 1,000,000,000,000th time. In ‘Lolita’, doesn’t H.H laugh about his former wife and her new husband, ending up making money by going through experiments where they are forced to eat entirely dates and bananas on all fours? I hope that’s what his book is about.

Aug 25, 2016 at 10:10am

Will Durianrider go to jail? The lawyers are paid, the charges are laid.

An update (that won’t surprise anyone in this Patreon group), with a few broader reflections. Interested in prison conditions in Thailand? Have a look: http://www.thaiprisonlife.com/ Most of the accounts I’ve read (and most of the photographs I’ve seen) indicate that there are no beds in the men’s prisons (i.e., men sleep directly on the floor).

An update (that won’t surprise anyone in this Patreon group), with a few broader reflections. Interested in prison conditions in Thailand? Have a look: http://www.thaiprisonlife.com/ Most of the accounts I’ve read (and most of the photographs I’ve seen) indicate that there are no beds in the men’s prisons (i.e., men sleep directly on the floor).

Maddalena

No matter what happen to DR next, I really appreciated this open-hearted video and the message you send to the vegan community. Those who know how to listen will get it, the others will keep babbling, there is nothing left to say on the subject.

Eisel Mazard

I agree with both aspects of your (short) message: as I said a long time ago, I really hope this is the last video I’ll ever make about Durianrider (but we both know that’s unlikely!).

Jacqueline Cohen

I’m glad to see that this is moving forward. A political channel that I follow posted a durian tasting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2mUQGjKqew&list=WL&index=129 The disgust the host has reminds me of the Jake Eames durian tasting video, and the disgust any decent person should have toward durianrider’s actions. (Whenever I’m at the Asian market and see durians, guess who automatically comes to mind.)

Eisel Mazard

Just over a week ago I ate Durian (the particular fruit was of excellent quality), and that will probably be the last time I eat the fruit for many years. It is (ironically?) a very high-fat food, that really does cause weight-gain.

Aug 25, 2016 at 12:01am

Zoos and/or/as the Meaning of Life (in Coversation with Jae Costly)

Over an hour from my conversation with Jae Costly (as you will have noticed by now, the format I’ve been using to upload podcasts DOES NOT OVERLAP, i.e., none of the material in this hour repeats what you might have heard in the two shorter clips I’ve already edited and uploaded from the same conversation).

Over an hour from my conversation with Jae Costly (as you will have noticed by now, the format I’ve been using to upload podcasts DOES NOT OVERLAP, i.e., none of the material in this hour repeats what you might have heard in the two shorter clips I’ve already edited and uploaded from the same conversation).

Melissa Renee

I really enjoyed listening to this conversation. It’s left me chewing on the question: What is the future of living with animals? Re: the expert opinion/insider part, the guy who worked at SeaWorld and testified against it which led to a change in legislation about training the orcas– It reminded me of Ren Hurst who used to be a successful horse trainer with decades of experience and is now speaking out against horse riding. Bite Size Vegan shared her first video on her FB page and I’ve been following her videos. My favorite quote from this video https://youtu.be/_DEXOxyrZls?t=1m7s is: “How many times would you say yes if you were placed in someone’s care who was ultimately responsible for every aspect of your well-being, even when you didn’t really want to from your own true nature? […] Think about the other relationships in your life that you call love and connection and partnership and cooperation, and how many of those other relationships look like you creating a reward and punishment system to get others to do what you want them to do? But more importantly, how many of those other relationships look like you climbing on somebody’s back and telling them where to go?” That’s why SeaWorld and zoos are unethical, but the case of the Chinese SeaWorld you talked about being the only facility to rehabilitate orcas complicates matters. A couple weeks ago in our elections there was a proposal to approve a millage for the Detroit Zoo. Some peeps on the local vegan FB group said that they were voting yes because of the zoo’s involvement with conservation efforts. I was conflicted, but I voted against it because I’m against animals being kept in captivity for human entertainment. The proposal passed by a large margin, but I’m sure not because the majority of voters care about the research the zoo is involved with, they just voted yes because they like going to the zoo with their kids. But the money to fund their research has to come from somewhere, so… Idk, tough questions. Thanks for continuing to explore these nuances in the vegan demimonde, as you call it, in spite of the drama.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in, M.D. I do think that we (all 2,000 of us, or however many watch these videos) are engaged in a sort of meaningful “rehearsal” prior to engaging in “real politics” –and very few political movements have the luxury of such a rehearsal.

Jessica

Dude, the angry carnivore saw the video?! *awkward* Did you tell them about YT or did they stalk you? Ugh…I like you and Jae, but that SeaWorld/similar marine parks discussion was hard to swallow because I’m so pro the Blackfish effect — I’m really resisting praising them for anything. You’re right — it’s way easier to rally behind “empty the tanks!” And I loved the legend behind those monkeys. They look so sweet in the daytime, but I’d be totally freaked out if I saw a bunch of white faces poking out of dense trees at night. Low-key excited to see the Dr. Evil suit…hope we get a laugh

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Dude, the angry carnivore saw the video?! *awkward*” Yeah, she told everyone at the school what a terrible human being I am (etc.), as you can imagine.

Aug 24, 2016 at 3:52pm

Vegan Gains: Kunming to Antwerp, Alaska to Attawapiskat

Another 30 minutes of my conversation with Vegan Gains (a.k.a. Richard).

ModVegan

Has Richard contacted Tobias Leenaert? Even if they hate each other, they should definitely do a video while VG is in Belgium! They’re both in Flanders – Ghent and Antwerp aren’t far from each other.

Eisel Mazard

Although I don’t know Richard personally, I think I can safely say that is not his style.

ModVegan

Ok, I’m seriously freaked out! My dad actually made his own bullets out of pure lead and used a black powder rifle for hunting (like I said, he was deep into deep ecology, lol). God knows how much lead is in my body! I never even thought about that before. It’s a wonder I have any brain cells left (although that might be debatable ;-).

Aug 23, 2016 at 11:42pm

[“On Community”, with Danish subtitles:] Veganismen: politik og fællesskab.

Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05pm

Slavery: what did Vegans really learn from the abolition of slavery?

Gary Francione is wrong, etc.

Jessica

“A statue of a cow has more rights than an actual cow.” Wow. That subtle slant just hit me in the face as if I’m hearing it for the first time. Respect.

Eisel Mazard

I don’t know if it’s just a sad fact, or just a fact, but I’ve been saying that since 2001: I can remember using the example in Toronto (before I moved to Asia, etc.).

NotKurtis

So my first post as a patreon patron will be a “look I listen to vegan bands” post. I’m sorry, Eisel. Big fan. Please take the $1 as compensation. The cow vs statue concept reminds me of this story: http://www.reddeer.ca/about-red-deer/history/history-of-red-deer/time-machine/francis-the-pig/ Wherein an escaped pig whimsically inspired a community in his newsworthily rare desire to survive slaughter, and was eventually memorialised in bronze (though I think he’s still alive). I came across the story via Propagandhi’s track “Potemkin City Limits”. Everybody listen to Propagandhi, if only for the riffs. Worth skimming if only for the guilty pleasure of ignorance-porn (trying to find a word like schaudenfreude but for taking pleasure in other’s stupidity or ignorance).

Eisel Mazard

By the dead gods, it was the infamous Stockwell Day! Re: “This story does not end with Francis’ death. Red Deer North MLA Stockwell Day made a request for Francis to be honoured in Alberta’s Agricultural Hall of Fame.”

Aug 21, 2016 at 9:41pm

Racism: Coconuts, I.Q. Tests & Illusions of Progress.

30 minutes of anecdotes and reflections on racism, from Northern Laos to Southern Saskatchewan. (At the moment, Patreon is not correctly displaying the “cover image” for this one: I created a thumbnail that shows a young man climbing up a coconut tree, next to two small images of myself and Maude / ModVegan.)

30 minutes of anecdotes and reflections on racism, from Northern Laos to Southern Saskatchewan. (At the moment, Patreon is not correctly displaying the “cover image” for this one: I created a thumbnail that shows a young man climbing up a coconut tree, next to two small images of myself and Maude / ModVegan.)

Nick Knowles

Yo Eisel, i check Corey’s channel and i can’t find his response to you, so i guess both his rant and his response have been removed… Also his girlfriend seems to have removed all content from her channel haha interesting…

Eisel Mazard

They had a whole bunch of racist videos: the 48-minute one that I chose to highlight was not the only option.

Joseph Howell

You did a great job with this one! There’s a lot of ineffective anti-racism dialogue in this era of the ‘safe space’.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks. Part of the problem (IMHO) is that very few people think of politics in terms of sharing information: the information that I have to share may not be interesting to many people, but still, sharing information is a very different motivation from (e.g.) proving your opponent’s moral inferiority.

Aug 21, 2016 at 7:37am

See you in Thailand this December? How Drama Disrupts I.R.L. Activism.

ModVegan

I also hope things get patched up. But I like the idea of December in Thailand: Nerd Edition – with lots of trips to museums and historical sites, lol ;). On a tangent, it’s interesting that you like to connect “knowing and feeling”. If we’re keeping it real, I’m far more interested in the connection between “knowing and doing”. Plenty of people FEEL bad about animals dying. I was at dinner with friends on Friday and they were all outraged about the bear that was speared here in Alberta. But the angriest people were both eating meat and didn’t see the irony at ALL. They “felt good” for caring about the bear, which allowed them to totally forget about the other animals they were eating… And if I’m being honest, I don’t think it would be accurate to say that feelings made me go vegan, but maybe I’m in the minority.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “I’m far more interested in the connection between ‘knowing and doing’…” This reflects my personality: I wanted to study Pali and move to Cambodia, so I just did it (“no problem”… i.e., embracing a whole world of problems). There were a few people in Toronto who said, “You’ll never actually do it”, and my reply was pretty much, “You don’t know me”. I had one ex-gf who was much more in the camp of having trouble with knowing vs. doing; she struggled with a sort of emotional paralysis that’s completely alien to me (and that I don’t sympathize with, to be honest, i.e., “I know what the right thing to do is, but I’m gonna sit here and feel sorry for myself, because I feel like I just can’t do it” –and she was big on the feeling-sorry-for-herself aspect of the equation).

Pauline

Margaret: Do you think that, due to the profound prejudice that people imbibe from birth against certain animals, via their/our culture, they don’t actually *feel* the same way about some as others? If this prejudice against cows, pigs, sheep and chickens could be broken down, people might start to feel differently, and this could lead to some action? It’s amazing how people still think that these animals are almost devoid of awareness, feeling and emotion. I hear it in the way they talk about them all the time. “Cows don’t have memories”; “Pigs are so thick, they have no awareness of what is going on”; “Dumb sheep simply follow each other”, etc., etc. This could also be a type of subliminal and post hoc rationalisation of course. Personally, I went vegetarian (several decades ago, as a teenager) primarily out of emotion, but vegan, later, as a logical extension of that.

ModVegan

Hi Pauline! I’m sure people do feel differently about different animals because of the way we treat the various species. Melanie Joy’s concept of “Carnism” works really well in the West, although I think it starts to fall short when you try to apply it to other civilizations. For example, Chinese people can enjoy having dogs as pets and still eat them. But you’re right, objectifying and dehumanizing others is the first major step in torturing and enslaving them (think of the stereotypes about black intelligence used to justify segregation, or Nazi Germany’s portrayal of Jewish peoples). If we could reverse that process/educate people about animal intelligence, I’m sure it would be helpful!

Aug 21, 2016 at 1:11am

[Other voices:] ModVegan Follows Up on the Racism Controversy (Cory McCarthy, etc.)

For myself, also, the unfolding history of South Africa was a major childhood memory (I think that Maude and I are approximately the same age… ?). I can’t watch these videos without feeling an apprehension that it is just a matter of time until those plain-white bedclothes get ruined: if she puts her face down on the pillow-case just once without removing her makeup, the bedclothes are stained forever!

For myself, also, the unfolding history of South Africa was a major childhood memory (I think that Maude and I are approximately the same age… ?). I can’t watch these videos without feeling an apprehension that it is just a matter of time until those plain-white bedclothes get ruined: if she puts her face down on the pillow-case just once without removing her makeup, the bedclothes are stained forever!

The Truth of the Matter

I agree with you completely. I’m unsure why Charles dances around the hard truth when he finds the other subjects he speaks of with such ease. A bit odd really.

ModVegan

Yeah, it struck me as a bit odd. The term gets overused and applied to all sorts of things that are more insensitive than racist -like that whole debacle with Ellen Photoshopping herself being carried by Usain Bolt – insensitive, yes, but there’s no evidence the woman is racist. Kind of like all those accusations about Sorsha or Emily from Bite-Size Vegan. But anyone should be able to tell the difference between that and the in-your-face racist nonsense that Cory was spewing. And I think that stuff absolutely needs to get called out. Charles states his opinion on everything under the sun, so I really did find this odd. Of course, even stranger was the comment section of his video, where people were hemming and hawing over the whole thing. It honestly sickens me that Cory still has any subscribers. Oh, and thanks! (Re: Brooke Sheilds). Must be my crazy eyebrows, lol!

Nick Knowles

thank you for making this mod, most people just kinda freak out on this subject, but you kept very calm and classy

ModVegan

Thanks, Nick!

Aug 20, 2016 at 11:15pm

The Vegan Demimonde: Sex, Slander, Religion, Politics and Potential.

It’s about an hour and 45 minutes long, and covers pretty much every conceivable topic, including the meaning of life itself. That’s my summary.

Sean Donahue

I look forward to the time when Leah(sp?) decides to return to YouTube. I have watched several of her videos and have been enjoying her content and perspective; but was taken by surprise when she closed down her channel. (I was at least 2 videos behind when I discovered it wasn’t working and suspected that someone had been making fallacious copyright/privacy/etc. claims against her channel) I’d like to express support for Leah in whatever decision she comes to in that regard. If she does start up her new channel I would hope that she would feel comfortable sharing it on your patreon.

Aug 20, 2016 at 6:24am

Dogs vs. Wolves: Vegan Ethics and the Future of Activism.

Jacob Schröck

Who is that guy in the intro/outro?

Eisel Mazard

He’s a stand-up comic, primarily known for a podcast called, “The Brilliant Idiots”.

Melissa Renee

I took a few biology courses, I’m not an expert, but Unnatural Vegan is saying pets and humans have a symbiotic relationship that is mutualistic. The benefits for pets are shelter, food, water, and veterinary care. The benefit for humans is a play thing to care for. Humans owning pets is more comparable to slavery than the biological concept of symbiosis. “Ethically and morally, can’t we acknowledge the difference between those two things? Keeping an animal in captivity and providing it with training so that it can survive in the forest is not the same as keeping an animal in captivity, castrating it, and training it so that it can spend the rest of its life sitting in a human being’s living room, so that it can be reintroduced to be a toy and a play thing.” Definitely. This is important for vegans to acknowledge. “A sanctuary is not preparing those animals to be reintroduced to the wild, a sanctuary is just giving them a place to wait to die.” Yep, agreed, thanks again for talking about sanctuaries in a realistic way rather than an, “Aww, look at how cute and happy they are, don’t eat these innocent creatures!” way, which is pretty much the only manner I see them talked about. Like I said in my comment on the other video with jAe Costly, I’m all for your restaurant + gym combo idea. If someone who is vegan is looking to improve public representation of veganism and has the money to fund either a vegan restaurant or a farm sanctuary, the money would be better spent on a restaurant. More people will go to a restaurant than a sanctuary. Jon Stewart retired and partnered with Animal Sanctuary to open a fourth location. It would have been nice to see him use that money to instead fund a vegan restaurant. A vegan restaurant funded by him would have been more likely to be publicized and successful, and it would have reached a larger audience.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Humans owning pets is more comparable to slavery than the biological concept of symbiosis.” This is probably the single most controversial and shocking thing you can say, in a crowd of vegans, and yet it is obviously true. Re: “I’m all for your restaurant + gym combo idea…” We’ll see what happens: I may end up as the manager of a small (vegan) hotel in Taiwan.

Aug 20, 2016 at 3:07am

Upcoming content: American Unicorn, Jae Costly, Vegan Gains, etc.

I just recorded a great conversation with American Unicorn (formerly known as PlantBasedHippy) spanning about an hour and 45 minutes. I still have a ton of material to upload from my conversations with Jae Costly and Vegan Gains (I don’t know to what extent that material will be Patreon-exclusive: I’ve been making that decision on a case-by-case basis lately). Some of you may have noticed that American Unicorn recently deleted her youtube channel (like Zahria and Jake Eames –both of whom have appeared on my own channel in the past). So, part of our conversation is about the “poisonous atmosphere” within vegan youtube, that drives so many people to delete their channels, but there’s also a lot of talk about the meaning of life (from third-world conditions in Asia to organizing political events, etc.)

I just recorded a great conversation with American Unicorn (formerly known as PlantBasedHippy) spanning about an hour and 45 minutes. I still have a ton of material to upload from my conversations with Jae Costly and Vegan Gains (I don’t know to what extent that material will be Patreon-exclusive: I’ve been making that decision on a case-by-case basis lately). Some of you may have noticed that American Unicorn recently deleted her youtube channel (like Zahria and Jake Eames –both of whom have appeared on my own channel in the past). So, part of our conversation is about the “poisonous atmosphere” within vegan youtube, that drives so many people to delete their channels, but there’s also a lot of talk about the meaning of life (from third-world conditions in Asia to organizing political events, etc.)

Devon McAllister

She prob can’t post a lot of her truthful content cuz her subscriber base is a bunch of hippies drawn to her old account perhaps. Doubt her Republican views are going down well there … That is the last I recall…

Eisel Mazard

It is a LONG podcast, but she mentions that she despises the Republican party: she considers herself “a constitutional conservative”, who has no party that can represent her in the U.S.A., and that she regards the Republicans as a failure or bad joke of some kind.

Jacqueline Cohen

I haven’t commented in a while but I have been watching most of your content…. As a queer woman, I tend to be cautious around religious people, since I’ve had past experiences of “friends” that are deeply religious treating me in a very poor manner after coming out as a bisexual woman. Conservatives with negative views regarding LGBT+ people tend to frame it as “they’re just intolerant of my views/religion”, but if a queer person (I can only speak for myself, although anecdotally most of the queer people I know feel in a similar manner to this) has dealt with religious people treating them poorly simply because of their sexuality, it’s not merely about “disagreements.” I subscribed to Leah originally because her views on veganism are reasonable, despite my caution around religious people, and subscribed to her up until her video in response to a comment (which I didn’t find to be inflammatory, it seemed like the person was genuinely interested in her views on LGBT people). She reacted very defensively and emotionally, and didn’t give any reason other than because it’s what her religion says, and not backing it up reasonably. When I originally subscribed to her I gave her the benefit of the doubt because becoming vegan takes critical thinking about something so ingrained in most cultures, the consumption of animal products, and that she’s able to look at veganism with a rational eye. I silently unsubscribed other than making a joke comment to the “I have a gay friend” cliche, which is a red flag for me. I can only speak for my own experiences and not other LGBT people, I would not take kindly to being used as a token in expressing negative views toward queer people. (I think anyone in my life, other than family, that would use that nonsense, I have gotten out of my life.) A lot of what she said in that video were things former friends have said before being an ass to me either blatantly or in a passive aggressive “frenemy” manner. It brought back negative memories. With disagreements there’s a line to be drawn, this is true for everyone, there difference is where. I also draw the line at misogyny (by this I mean blatant misogyny, not picky things academia leftists are picky about and genuine ignorance). I hope my perspective in this is understood, I don’t mean any disrespect to Leah from this. Though I don’t know if people who don’t navigate the world as queer will fully get this. People with economically conservative views (from a US perspective) I can “agree to disagree” with, since most of the time there’s reasons to back it up other than “because my religion says so”. Even if this is a genuine belief of hers, it’s something I’m not comfortable with, and I’ve let it with former friends get to the point that I’ve described above. Every single deeply religious friend I had I lost after coming out. (I’m in the Northeast US it’s probably much worse for people in other parts of the US. Also noting this doesn’t apply to nominally/culturally religious people that don’t follow their religion deeply.) If someone believes in god, I don’t care as long as they’re not pushy about it and don’t support legislating their beliefs. I’m the person that will not bring up my atheism in day to day conversation unless it’s relevant because I don’t cause unnecessary drama. My honest opinion about religious beliefs is that they are silly, but I don’t bring it up most of the time, and I purposely seek out local atheist groups so if I want to talk about atheist stuff I can do so with other atheists. I’m also very private about my sex life, so once I made the coming out announcement on facebook, I didn’t bring up with subject in day to day conversation unless it was relevant.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “She reacted very defensively and emotionally, and didn’t give any reason other than because it’s what her religion says…”. As religions go, Mormonism relies on blind faith more than most. I’m hardly an uncritical fan of Buddhism, but it is possible to be a Buddhist without having a belief in much more than the tenet that life is suffering, all is impermanent, and there is no soul (etc.). Mormonism really does rely on blind faith, and on people having a high level of emotional and financial commitment to that blind faith.

Aug 19, 2016 at 12:24pm

[Other voices:] The Political Science of Veganism (a response to my channel).

Hey, I’m happy to see that I’ve managed to spark discussion (and serious reconsideration) of many of these fundamental assumptions (i.e., whether or not I agree with anyone engaged in these discussions, etc.).

Bianca Gibson

Another reason I have trouble taking the AJP seriously is that their candidates don’t seem that decicated to helping the animals. The one in my electorate wasn’t even vegan and another one I met seemed to think it was fine to feed their cats chicken because “it’s just chicken”.

Olivia

Oh really, Katrina Love from the AJP WA seems pretty legit, I’m going to see her talk this weekend so we we will see …

Eva Weiß

I tried to watch it with “subtitels”, because I thought then I would understand him better… but after reading somthing about the “legal rides of animals” and “just to give you an ID”, I realized I am better off without

Aug 19, 2016 at 12:20pm

[Other voices:] You realize the level of intelligence I’m dealing with here.

No big deal, but: I think everyone in this Patreon group already knows that the money (eventually) did get transferred, the lawyer did get paid, the paperwork got signed, and the charges got filed. I don’t know if Durianrider will speak honestly about it when it becomes obvious to him that he’s facing charges (i.e., it is possible that he will just stay quiet… or that he will for a while). I’d be surprised if it takes a whole week before we hear a peep, one way or another. Incidentally, I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS PRESSING CRIMINAL CHARGES (right now). I do know about at least two other cases (ongoing at the moment), but those are not my story to tell. In general, I do not watch Durianrider’s channel but (correct me if I’m wrong?) I haven’t heard him complain about any of the other cases against him, i.e., to my knowledge, he has remained quiet about other cases (minimum one) in which there should be absolutely no doubt in his mind that the paperwork is done, and charges are hanging over him (etc.).

No big deal, but: I think everyone in this Patreon group already knows that the money (eventually) did get transferred, the lawyer did get paid, the paperwork got signed, and the charges got filed. I don’t know if Durianrider will speak honestly about it when it becomes obvious to him that he’s facing charges (i.e., it is possible that he will just stay quiet… or that he will for a while). I’d be surprised if it takes a whole week before we hear a peep, one way or another. Incidentally, I AM NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS PRESSING CRIMINAL CHARGES (right now). I do know about at least two other cases (ongoing at the moment), but those are not my story to tell. In general, I do not watch Durianrider’s channel but (correct me if I’m wrong?) I haven’t heard him complain about any of the other cases against him, i.e., to my knowledge, he has remained quiet about other cases (minimum one) in which there should be absolutely no doubt in his mind that the paperwork is done, and charges are hanging over him (etc.).

Mr Hippo

I wonder if she pretends to sound that dumb and underneath she is actually an iintellectual scholar….. hahahahaha oh hahaha just made myself laugh there

Eisel Mazard

Here’s an even more tragi-comic thought: what if in the dystopian future, Vegan Ava is the most influential vegan leader in the world. If you think that’s impossible, take a look at the list of people who’ve held that title (or claimed to) in the recent past.

Steph

Typically 1.5x speed makes babblerants like hers mildly entertaining… failed this time. I’m losing my faith in technology!

Aug 18, 2016 at 11:29pm

Vegan Gains: Toronto Pig Save, the Police, Army and Prison.

Here’s part 2 (or excerpt #2) of my conversation with Vegan Gains.

Eisel Mazard

Incidentally (or not), I actually deleted several minutes of my own reflections on what a horrible place Toronto is to live (from the middle of this segment of the recording) to create the illusion that V.G. did a larger percentage of the talking. I don’t know if I’ll upload that snippet separately, or what.

Melissa Renee

Yeah, do it! Compared to Detroit it seems like a nice city, but that’s not really saying much. I’ve got an aunt & uncle who have lived there their whole adult lives and say good things about it. Then again they’re world travelers so they’re there maybe 50% of the time.

Jessica

I’ve lived in Cali my whole life, and I’ve never thought of anywhere in Canada as close But I feel like I’m missing context in this convo — what’s the American equivalent to Toronto, dear Canadians/anyone who knows about Canada? I hope VG talks more about his experience with the police/racism. (And you should totally publish your edits, maybe a Patreon exclusive.)

Eisel Mazard

Victoria is conveniently situated half-way between California and Alaska. You should visit some time when I’m there… because if I’m not there, you’d have nothing to do, TBH. [My review of vegan restaurants in Vic. City: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRLtwF08wvQ ]

Aug 18, 2016 at 5:33am

Vegan Cheetah, I’m Not Mad at You: My Divorce “In the News”.

Yes, I go through a lot of misery for my daughter, but you’ve got to admit: that’s the cutest baby picture in the world.

ModVegan

“One can only speculate!” I have to say that the whole missing person thing is seriously weird, and makes the other stuff about her contacting TFC seem a bit more believable (but still wacky). Of course, divorce proceedings rarely bring out the best in people. Oy. Anyway, seriously cute kid.

Eisel Mazard

Concealing legal proceedings (from the person harmed by them) is a pretty common trick: if the person doesn’t have the right to defend themselves, they can be stripped of their rights, property, etc. Now, however, the legal situation isn’t even (really) a matter of negotiating custody: I just have to prove (1) that I’m alive, and (2) my ex-wife knew that I was alive, where I was living, and that she could contact me, during the prior court-date. Those things are extremely easy to prove. It would be much more difficult for me to prove (e.g.) that I have a steady job/income (because I don’t!), but this is completely irrelevant to French law (in this scenario).

The Truth of the Matter

I still feel if VC was a decent “reporter” and “friend” he’d brought this to you, Eisel. He’s stated you’ve sent filthy vids to women and now this! I feel he’s angry with you for stating he’s wrong for how he treated The Vegan Mojo. Just my thoughts…of course but it didn’t start until after you made your vid.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I don’t know what the deal is: Cheetah seems to be a victim of a very vicious “short-term mentality”. It is peculiar that we can contrast his work to Joe Vegan, who is in some ways running a similar channel, but J.V. makes very different ethical choices, and manages to separate comedy from serious commentary, etc.

Aug 17, 2016 at 9:36pm

Vegan Gains, Part One: On Body Image

Richard and I spoke for an hour and a half, and it’s an interesting recording to listen to, but look, I’m just gonna warn you guys, straight up: I did the majority of the talking. You’re probably familiar with Vegan Gains from scripted videos on his own channel: keep in mind that he’s a guy who describes himself as “socially awkward”, and he doesn’t leap in to (rapidly) fill the silences in a conversation. I’m not complaining, I’m just warning my listeners: it’s a good conversation, but I do way more than 50% of the speaking (hopefully this pre-empts some of the complaints that may ensue).

Richard and I spoke for an hour and a half, and it’s an interesting recording to listen to, but look, I’m just gonna warn you guys, straight up: I did the majority of the talking. You’re probably familiar with Vegan Gains from scripted videos on his own channel: keep in mind that he’s a guy who describes himself as “socially awkward”, and he doesn’t leap in to (rapidly) fill the silences in a conversation. I’m not complaining, I’m just warning my listeners: it’s a good conversation, but I do way more than 50% of the speaking (hopefully this pre-empts some of the complaints that may ensue).

ModVegan

I’m really glad that you guys talked about this. I’ve really been enjoying Richard’s videos on body image, especially within bodybuilding. I listen to a sports podcast called Guru Performance – it’s an excellent podcast on sports science/performance. But what I’ve found most interesting is that these guys admit that virtually every single bodybuilding client they’ve ever worked with has body dysmorphia. Male or female. Even in individuals without a history of disordered eating, the extreme attention to physique causes even very well adjusted people to start seeing themselves very differently. And the diet (as Richard mentions), can be extremely tedious and removes pretty much all the pleasure from eating. So even if you don’t have an eating disorder, you’re sort of forced to engage in some disordered eating habits to get the results. All the while constantly focusing on your appearance because, well, that’s your job. Another strange observation: when it comes to appearance, I think it’s a little different for men and women. For women, I believe looking good has a lot more to do with power than with sex. There are so many studies showing that extremely good looking men do worse in business and life, very good looking women do better. Good looks are a power struggle among women. But I think it works slightly differently for (hetero) men. Being physically fit is a way to show your better than other guys, but I think most men feel that it will give them an edge with the ladies more than they feel it will make them get the job or career that they’re after (unless they’re in TV or something). I don’t think most women really are trying to be more sexually attractive than all other women – but I think they perceive that their status is closely connected to their looks.

Maddalena

“For women, I believe looking good has a lot more to do with power than with sex” I definitely think the power you’re talking is related to sex after all, this kind of power implies the independence from men financially, emotionally and sexually.

Jessica

I *really* hope you didn’t start talking to your ex about Cambodia at that precise moment LOL The usual reassuring “I love you, let me tell count the ways” spiel should’ve done the trick. I enjoyed this podcast — can’t exactly call it an interview ;P In the end, a lot of us want and worry about the same things. I also think it’s interesting that I’m digging Vegan Gains with a girlfriend more than the one without — way more chill.

Aug 16, 2016 at 7:36pm

Cory McCarthy: A Racist, White Supremacist Vegan Bodybuilder. (2 of 2)

Yep. Part 2. All new, all different.

Gunnar from Norway

uhhh Charles just posted a video about you Eisel. Shit is getting crazy with Charles lately and this video seems to take things even farther.

Eisel Mazard

I’ve posted a reply (you probably already noticed).

Liz

I actually really got a kick out of watching The Golden One’s videos for a while. Not because I agree with him at all, but because it was really fascinating to see an attempt to intellectualize neo-nazi culture. I took a lot of classes on WWII in university (didn’t end up graduating with a degree in history, but I did peruse it for almost 2 years) and, being German, have talked to a ton of survivors, a ton of ex-nazis, and have visited lots and lots of historical sites. Making light of the second world war is probably the biggest social faux pas one can commit in Germany, so even though there are a handful of “white trash” neo nazis, they’re rather seen than heard. His videos were the first time I saw someone try and make rational arguments defending that kind of an ideology, yet my education really made me sit up and disgaree with almost everything supposedly factual he had to say.

Aug 16, 2016 at 5:47am

What I Eat in a Day (#5), Fishing for Tigers.

You really need a summary? It’s only 3 minutes long.

VeganTacos

Off-topic, but Sargon of Akkad just made a video titled: “Cult Behaviour: An Analysis”, which comes across like a point-by-point dissection of Raw Till 4… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htqOIjzi-jE

Eisel Mazard

At 5:30, he mis-uses the verb “metastasize”, THEREFORE I completely disagree with this video. In general, I think that “cult studies” of this kind contain useful observations on human nature for other fields/disciplines (and that seems to be Arthur Deikman’s perspective, too, based on this summary).

Martin Grover

“A cage within a cage” My Vegan Goth Metal band’s first album title.

Aug 14, 2016 at 9:37am

[Other voices:] Quote, “I’m not racist” —Cory McCarthy.

Well… the main virtue of this video is that it is merely two-and-a-half-minutes long.The guy he cites in the closing minute (“The Golden One”) has been a Neo-Nazi (or very nearly so, by any reasonable definition)… and, also, has been addressed on my channel: [Title:] Vegan Neo-Nazis Actually Exist (Beneath Contempt).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmojqZQhv8

Well… the main virtue of this video is that it is merely two-and-a-half-minutes long.The guy he cites in the closing minute (“The Golden One”) has been a Neo-Nazi (or very nearly so, by any reasonable definition)… and, also, has been addressed on my channel: [Title:] Vegan Neo-Nazis Actually Exist (Beneath Contempt).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrmojqZQhv8

Rewi Stirrat

I tried commenting (in a really sycophantic manner) to try to get him to think about his views when he posted that Golden One interview a few months back (after cleaning up the vomit all over my laptop). He is pathetic, weak and stupid. I can’t even wish well for him at this point.

Eisel Mazard

I think his views have changed, too: I can remember speaking to him at a time (perhaps one year ago?) when he was careful to state that his views were NOT compatible with The Golden One.

Nick Knowles

You should debate this guy, but i know you won’t I wish you would

Nick Knowles

I wish you’d debate any of your detractors, we never EVER have debates between vegans on say livestreams in a social context, it’d be so nice to have one at least

Aug 13, 2016 at 11:27pm

Racism exists within veganism; racist vegans exist; discuss

Jay B

Also, if we’re speaking statistics, a quick search on an actual .org crime website tells you that white men are most likely to rape a woman of any race, and minorities are more likely to be raped in general. In conclusion, they’re cherry-picking their ‘statistics’ to justify their racism, whilst the biggest irony being that they’re vegan. They might as well eat meat, since humans have “conquered” non-human animals, right?

Alexa

Yeah, their presentation of “facts” (when they happen to think they have them) is biased, overly-simplified, and without relevant context. In addition to white men making up a higher percentage of convicted rapists, there’s also the fact that it’s difficult to gather accurate rape statistics precisely because so many rapes being committed in an inter-community and even interfamilial context (plus, y’know, rape culture), and that black defendants are almost a third more likely to be convicted as white defendants for the same crimes… as well as receive harsher sentences. And on the subject of Indigenous peoples: Native women in America are actually MORE likely to be raped by non-Native persons (unlike members of almost any other ethnic group, since as you say, rapes are usually committed within a shared community context). Their likelihood of assault is also disproportionately high. Far higher than for white women. But I guess the rape of white women is a horrible tragedy, whereas the rape of Native women is just a consequence of the conquered?

Michelle Mintmier

Eisel, you do a great job of simply, logically, (and kindly) explaining why he is wrong….his ego is getting the best of him.

Aug 13, 2016 at 4:33pm

[Other voices:] Vegan Racists Exist, and they Aren’t Too Bright.

What is “vegan news”? Sadly, TBH, you don’t see it on the Vegan Cheetah’s channel. Veganism’s right-wing (and racist?) couple has returned to youtube.

17 min. 24. sec. into this video (“Racists Break YoutTube”), they claim: “America was founded by whites, for whites, and I believe that was originally written in the original constitution, I’m not sure exactly which paperwork it was written in, but it was [written that the country was] for free, white men of good standing…” A few seconds thereafter, Corey (the male of the couple) justifies the enslavement and genocide of North America’s indigenous peoples in about two sentences.

Cory McCarthy is also known as a vegan bodybuilder and fitness guru, etc., with his own channel and a related business (providing advice on body-building).

After (temporarily) deleting their channel due to fear of censorship (in the U.K.) “Reality Calls” is back online, and representing the racist right-wing of veganism:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vwJXx7DR-3zSub4mwQNFg/videos

I note that they do defend themselves against accusations of racism (i.e., they do not overtly identify as racist), however, I am just using the word racist as a shorthand in this message: many people would consider what they say about American blacks and Jews to be racist.*

* (i.e., I use “blacks and Jews” as specific examples, in contrast to their broader message about immigration, Islam, etc.; I really don’t know what percentage of people would find the latter aspect of their approach to be “objectively racist”.)

For quite some time I have been pointing out that my fellow vegans make hollow accusations of racism where they do not belong (e.g., I seriously doubt that Sorsha is racist against black people), whereas real questions of racism within veganism get ignored. Of course, more generally, quite a lot of “hollow” drama gets promoted, while substantive questions get ignored, etc.

What is “vegan news”? Sadly, TBH, you don’t see it on the Vegan Cheetah’s channel. Veganism’s right-wing (and racist?) couple has returned to youtube.

17 min. 24. sec. into this video (“Racists Break YoutTube”), they claim: “America was founded by whites, for whites, and I believe that was originally written in the original constitution, I’m not sure exactly which paperwork it was written in, but it was [written that the country was] for free, white men of good standing…” A few seconds thereafter, Corey (the male of the couple) justifies the enslavement and genocide of North America’s indigenous peoples in about two sentences.

Cory McCarthy is also known as a vegan bodybuilder and fitness guru, etc., with his own channel and a related business (providing advice on body-building).

After (temporarily) deleting their channel due to fear of censorship (in the U.K.) “Reality Calls” is back online, and representing the racist right-wing of veganism:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9vwJXx7DR-3zSub4mwQNFg/videos

I note that they do defend themselves against accusations of racism (i.e., they do not overtly identify as racist), however, I am just using the word racist as a shorthand in this message: many people would consider what they say about American blacks and Jews to be racist.*

* (i.e., I use “blacks and Jews” as specific examples, in contrast to their broader message about immigration, Islam, etc.; I really don’t know what percentage of people would find the latter aspect of their approach to be “objectively racist”.)

For quite some time I have been pointing out that my fellow vegans make hollow accusations of racism where they do not belong (e.g., I seriously doubt that Sorsha is racist against black people), whereas real questions of racism within veganism get ignored. Of course, more generally, quite a lot of “hollow” drama gets promoted, while substantive questions get ignored, etc.

Alexa

You sure can make a lot of conveniently-bigoted assumptions* based on very little knowledge/research so long as you pepper what you’re saying with a lot of “I think,” “if I recall,” “I believe,” and “don’t quote me on this”-es. Such caveats kinda undermine the veneer of bullshit-intellectualism they’re attempting, but I suppose if you’re convinced you’re an inherently “intellectually superior” being, there’s less motivation to make sure you have any idea what you’re talking about. I used to watch Cory McCarthy’s channel occasionally and although I’ve never liked his awkwardly scripted delivery –which is like watching the face-side of a manta ray make a bad attempt at non-regional diction– and cringy sense of humor, I did appreciate a science-based approach to vegan fitness. Then, like 8 months ago or something? maybe earlier, he started openly fawning over white-supremacist Stretch Armstrong doll “The Golden One” and posted a video, ostensibly about Europeans “protecting” themselves against threats that he attributes to recently-emigrated peoples, that sounded like a thinly-veiled attempt to incite racial profiling and xenophobia. So I guess I knew he wasn’t someone with which I could ever be BFFs. I had no idea he was this overtly racist, though, or that he had a partner-in-crime in this self-flattering worldview. So I guess I won’t be joining his subscription site, then. *I mean, many of “America’s white founders” were definitely racist. I’m more referring to, say, the idea that white European culture was the single fount of all scientific/technological advancement. Or almost everything these two “know” about the history of Africa or the Middle East.

Marion Poliquin

“You sure can make a lot of conveniently-bigoted assumptions* based on very little knowledge/research” A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Gunnar from Norway

it says this video is private

Alexa

Well that didn’t take long.

Aug 13, 2016 at 1:24pm

Riddle of the Lion’s Roar: Animal Sanctuaries, Zoos & Wildlife Management.

Here’s the link to Jae Costly’s channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdV8ScPyJfgPL9mNxnCGgRw/videos

Lawrence S Taylor

After seeing a YouTube video of an animal sanctuary I had been wanting to ask the question: what is the difference between a zoo and a sanctuary?

Michelle Mintmier

This might help: http://animalrights.about.com/od/animalsinentertainment/fl/Whats-the-Difference-Between-a-Zoo-and-a-Sanctuary.htm

Michelle Mintmier

I have experience with both sanctuaries and zoos. I emphatically believe they are very different things. How individual animals are treated may be superficially similar, but the big difference is in how the public perceives the purpose and mission of each. At a zoo, it is clear that the animal’s primary purpose is for an entertainment. Any educational or conservation message is only conveyed in a half-ass, bullshit kind of way. In contrast, at the sanctuary I currently work at our express goal is to teach people (via the animal ambassadors) how to live harmoniously with wildlife so we don’t have to have any more animals in a captive situation. I say all the time, “we are not a zoo,” and most people really get that, they really get the distinction we are making and why we are making it. A culture with ethically run sanctuaries is very different than a culture with zoos.

Aug 11, 2016 at 8:58pm

Thailand: Permanent Vacation vs. Political Reality.

Thailand’s military dictatorship re-wrote the constitution. Did you hear about it on youtube? Given how many vegans we know that are based in Thailand (or claim they love Thailand, after going back-and-forth for many years), you might expect to hear SOMETHING about it… there’s more to life than a pile of fruit.

Thailand’s military dictatorship re-wrote the constitution. Did you hear about it on youtube? Given how many vegans we know that are based in Thailand (or claim they love Thailand, after going back-and-forth for many years), you might expect to hear SOMETHING about it… there’s more to life than a pile of fruit.

ModVegan

Wow, was this before or after the bombings? In some ways, I feel like it’s terrible that I associate Thailand with sex, drugs and corruption, when Colombia brings to mind the same thing. It’s interesting to me though, because so many expats see Colombia as a paradise and just choose to ignore the other problems. I don’t know how people can live in these places without facing reality, but they do. (The common observation that infuriates me the most? “Look how happy they are!” – I call BS. Just because you can’t be bothered to understand what’s going on, doesn’t mean the locals are all existing in ignorant bliss). Great video.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks. I’ve know a few people connected to Columbia, but all of them were living outside of Columbia when I knew them, and they tended to the opposite extreme: remembering Columbia as hopeless (and mired in what then seemed to be an endless civil war). It is what it is: you can only ask so much of people, and each of us (individually) only has so much to give. I’m open about the fact that (really!) I don’t have much to give.

Laura

This video was intense to watch. There are so many problems that go ignored, even with issues I care about I find myself tuning out/emotionally distancing myself because it gets overwhelming (not saying this is ok just what I notice myself doing). I’m thankful for when that gets challenged. There was a comment under the video justifying the regime under Pinochet. I admit I started crying because several of my family members endured torture under it. In a twisted way the comment ‘fit ‘the video, because it was a strong example of someone not caring about a political issue that to me is important. I don’t know, the contrast shown in the video was crass but real. (I hope this didn’t turn out too rambly)

Aug 9, 2016 at 3:58pm

[Patreon Exclusive:] PART FOUR of my Conversation with the Tofu Goddess.

The fourth and final part of the podcast, exclusive to my Patreon subscribers. Although I won’t attempt a summary of its contents here, complaints about the Green Party, and reflections on being vegan in Canada, are a considerable portion of our discussion.

Barbara

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/f4c58e4f-e2ec-4457-81d4-3566e516846b?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

Barbara

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/f4c58e4f-e2ec-4457-81d4-3566e516846b?ocid=socialflow_facebook&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook I figure these articles may explode in the Vegan Youtube community soon enough….the question is how well they will portray the stereotype is another thing. Either way, it shows the important need for Veganism to play a part in governing bodies, but also for it to be represented by respectable and knowledgable representatives.

Nick P

Its funny, I vote green here in Ontario, and if the party had any hope in hell of ever getting into power I’d not vote. I’m just throwing my vote into the general direction of where I want things to go, they definitely have no business being in power.

Eisel Mazard

Sad. It’s also possible that there isn’t a single person in that part now whom I knew (so many years ago). In B.C. we had the world’s lamest “animal rights etc. party”… they refused to call themselves “the vegan party” even though the newspapers referred to them as such. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Alliance_Environment_Voters_Party_of_Canada Yep… a lot of effort to get 1,700 wasted ballots.

Aug 9, 2016 at 3:28pm

Legal Situation (vs. Durianrider), a Very Simple Update.

I received confirmation today that the final stage of the financial process has been concluded (i.e., the law firm received the money!), and this means that the first stage of the legal process has begun (that legal team has had the paperwork ready-to-go for quite some time, I imagine). So, yes, Durianrider can claim that my fundraiser was a scam (again and again), but it wasn’t, and I don’t know if we’ll soon hear from D.R. himself that he’s now aware (directly) that it isn’t a scam. Perhaps he’ll just continue to pretend that nothing has changed/happened after the papers are served to him, I don’t know.(P.S., there’s a patreon-exclusive video uploading now: a further 27 minutes of the conversation with Tofu Goddess that will not be shared outside of the subscribers to this group. Hopefully, you’ll see that post here within the next hour.)

I received confirmation today that the final stage of the financial process has been concluded (i.e., the law firm received the money!), and this means that the first stage of the legal process has begun (that legal team has had the paperwork ready-to-go for quite some time, I imagine). So, yes, Durianrider can claim that my fundraiser was a scam (again and again), but it wasn’t, and I don’t know if we’ll soon hear from D.R. himself that he’s now aware (directly) that it isn’t a scam. Perhaps he’ll just continue to pretend that nothing has changed/happened after the papers are served to him, I don’t know.(P.S., there’s a patreon-exclusive video uploading now: a further 27 minutes of the conversation with Tofu Goddess that will not be shared outside of the subscribers to this group. Hopefully, you’ll see that post here within the next hour.)

The Truth of the Matter

Good. Finally those that have slandered and harassed you regarding the lawsuit can finally shut up. I do not see him changing his ways regardless of law or morals. Seems (actually it’s evident by his continued actions) he believes he’s beyond and exempt of laws, rules, etc. I’ve noticed lately he’s mention and posting about Kayla I. more and more too. Even though he agreed legally to never do so again. Stay strong Eisel.

Eisel Mazard

I think that part of Durianrider’s current plan (that may only last for 5 minutes) is to stay in Thailand “forever”, because he knows he has legal trouble waiting for him in Australia (as soon as he sets foot in Australia). With that being said, he really isn’t the planning type: I’m sure he could spontaneously decide to move more-or-less anywhere (in some ways, it is surprising that he doesn’t travel more, given how idle he is… and, so far as I know, he’s amongst the idle rich).

Melissa Renee

Before I joined Patreon I avoided the Durianrider videos because I’d heard talk that that guy was a nut and I thought the videos were just drama, so I wanted to listen to other ones first. I saw this post once I got on here and realized there was a legit legal situation in the works (didn’t see the video about donating until now). I got through most of them because I’m on break between semesters for a couple more weeks and have some spare time. I gotta admit watching the drama was entertaining. I didn’t laugh much at the videos of yours I watched first, but I was cracking up at these. That dude is outrageous, and your telling of the events so starkly contrasts with his irrational behavior I doubt there’s any chance you’ll lose this legal battle. Also got to witness you pissed off in the one about VegSource. I feel like I’ve seen a whole other side of you Eisel… maybe I should not be such a trusting young woman after seeing your temper. I kid– I appreciate that you pointed out his characterization of vegan women as delicate flowers you’re taking advantage of somehow. Bizarre. Also your remarks about the subtle shift of meaning in “What did you expect me to do?” Words matter. My undergrad in English was basically all examination of words. I can tell that you choose yours carefully and I appreciate that.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time, M.D. As I say somewhere (perhaps many, many times) it is an intentional choice to show a more emotional side of my character on youtube: I don’t act this way with my professors on campus, and I don’t act this way in a work/business context. However, I really (REALLY) do not think that a youtube video should resemble an academic lecture, nor a boardroom meeting. Re: “Eisel… maybe I should not be such a trusting young woman after seeing your temper.” You know that great quotation from Durianrider: “I don’t need you to trust me…”?

Aug 9, 2016 at 11:00am

This December in Thailand, the Concept & Current Options.

Jessica

I dunno, Eisel, this still sounds too active for me lol Where are the vegans who just want to sit by the beach drinking piña coladas? (Are those even vegan? But you get the idea.) Y’all better vlog the heck out of this. Eisel — that means you’re going to have to practice holding the camera still enough not to cause us, your poor viewers, vertigo ;P I kinda *wish* this was the beginning of a world tour. Have fun, guys!

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Where are the vegans who just want to sit by the beach drinking piña coladas? ” I think you could still do that for several hours per day.

Soi

I’m no activist but I would like to meet other vegans. Hope the dates are finalized soon.

Eisel Mazard

It would actually be interesting if we had two or three people from Japan: Haruki is interested in coming (but it’s too soon to know if he can come). I’m actually the administrator for a vegan-in-Japan facebook group (but I don’t think any of the members actually like me).

Aug 8, 2016 at 2:59pm

The Cult of À-Bas-le-Ciel (& The Tofu Goddess, PART THREE)

Difficult to summarize, but, for me, an especially meaningful set of reflections, although they really did come up haphazardly (in the middle of a three-and-a-half-hour conversation).

Bianca Gibson

I can see how people could follow you as a cult leader. I don’t agree with you all the time and you don’t cover some things that are very important to me, but I can see how someone more impressionable could end up blindly following you. I think you’ve had a very positive impact on me, through helping me rediscover my focus on making a positive impact from before I became seriously ill and had to shift focus to myself.

V L

If you ever start a cult, I’d like to join.

Eisel Mazard

We’d have the coolest matching outfits. Seriously: just went to a tailor (here in China). Wait for the update pics of the new suit.

Aug 8, 2016 at 3:05am

[Other voices:] Vegan Revolution, How Low Will He Go?

This video (from Vegan Revolution) contains near-zero information, and almost no argument (good or bad) to be responded to: if you fast-forward to the end, there is text on the screen stating V.R.’s opinion that I am (somehow) exploiting the fact that I’m “estranged” (his words) from my daughter to get money from the vegan community. Right. I think this video hasn’t had much of a negative response from other vegans, simply because V.R. is (by this point) “beneath contempt”, whereas (e.g.) we take questions of Cheetah’s conduct more seriously.

This video (from Vegan Revolution) contains near-zero information, and almost no argument (good or bad) to be responded to: if you fast-forward to the end, there is text on the screen stating V.R.’s opinion that I am (somehow) exploiting the fact that I’m “estranged” (his words) from my daughter to get money from the vegan community. Right. I think this video hasn’t had much of a negative response from other vegans, simply because V.R. is (by this point) “beneath contempt”, whereas (e.g.) we take questions of Cheetah’s conduct more seriously.

Jessica

Honestly, the best parts of this video were: Eminem’s rapping and your facial hair. THIS is taking someone out of context. I don’t know how anyone takes this guy (who talks a lot of shit underneath the comfort of his stupid mask) seriously. (I doubly can’t stand this kid after I saw him harass and trash his ex in a comment section.) Don’t waste your breath talking to this fool.

Nick P

I saw this video reposted a few days ago, I’m shocked anyone could make it to the end. The video was so boring and unfunny, I really don’t get it.

Aug 7, 2016 at 11:13pm

Replies to my Patreon Supporters! “Only” 22 min. long!

Replies to two questions from two new donors/supporters: one on hollywood’s potential (or actual) impact on the future of veganism, and another on what it takes to learn (independently?) within the university system (especially in a context such as the advanced study of Anthropology).

Aug 7, 2016 at 12:40pm

Not a Game: Veganism in Practice. PART TWO: The Tofu Goddess.

Ah, yes, I’m sure you’d like me to provide a chapter-by-chapter summary of this conversation… but it is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE to summarize this conversation.

Soi

Is there a part three? I find the difficulties in the daily life of being vegan very relatable. I’ve been vegan for almost a year now and people are finally understanding that I’m not doing it to lose weight. They really believed I was simply on a diet.

Eisel Mazard

We recorded three and a half hours of conversation (much of it intense)… I’m not sure how many parts I’ll manufacture out of it. You can send her fan-mail, asking her to come back on my “show” in future “episodes”.

Aug 6, 2016 at 7:26am

Vegan Cheetah is 100% Wrong: the “Slut-Shaming” of Vegan Mojo.

Nicole G

With all due respect, I don’t get every vegan YouTuber’s histrionic need to make a video response to their own friends. I have friends that are public figures in politics and activism. If one of them did something questionable, I would send him or her a private message. Not take out a full-page ad in the New York Times, and drag even more people into the nonsense. This story also didn’t start with Cheetah. Blue Wren got it going, as well as some of the pissed-off girls that Mojo apparently had a sorta romantic relationship with. If you caught Cheetah’s YouNow broadcast a couple days ago or Mojo’s YouNow broadcast last night, a friend of one of these girls guested on both shows. This girl (I think her name is Mia) is insanely angry and is making everything as public as possible. To her this has nothing to do with some sexting, but feeling her friend has been slandered publicly by Mojo. (Not saying that’s true.) Even if Cheetah hadn’t run with the story, there are other people making sure it gets known. Mind you, I’m not defending Cheetah for running with this story. (And that Mia girl needs to stop already and move on with life.) But in the same way it’s annoying to have a roommate leave a complaint note for you where your other roommates can see it, instead of talking to you face-to-face — I just wish YouTubers did their airing of grievances with friends in private. (Note I said “friends,” as these are people one actually has access to.) I also hope Mojo’s friends tell him to stop talking about everything and let this blow over. (Certainly stop guesting that Mia girl.) There’s a saying in politics, that “you don’t stop to kick every barking dog.”

Eisel Mazard

Re: “I just wish YouTubers did their airing of grievances with friends in private…” = genuinely irrelevant advice. Re: “Even if Cheetah hadn’t run with the story…” = these aren’t simple binary options (silence vs. speaking), and you know it. When Durianrider defamed me (or even when VegAnn defamed me), I didn’t just have two options: speak or be silent. Others who “covered” (or responded to) such things, also, didn’t have just two options. There are real questions of personal integrity, especially for someone like Cheetah who is (like it or not) in the role of a journalist (not involved in the story, and presenting it to a larger audience).

Karen Steinberg

Where is your video on Sam Harris? I’m curious what this dude wrote.

Jessica

I think it’s this one: http://youtu.be/h6oIf1kz-Y4 (It’s true — EM has been calling people idiots/stupid for awhile now)

Aug 6, 2016 at 7:25am

The Tofu Goddess: Education as Activism. Part One of a Vegan Politics Podcast.

Note: my sharing this via Patreon was delayed by Patreon itself. The website stopped working (within China) for about one day (and no, I’ll never know why).

Aug 4, 2016 at 8:15pm

Climate Change, a Vegan Perspective, by Mady Blueberry

Jessica

Those militant vegans -__- always discrediting/embarrassing the rest of us SMH

Leah Dawson

wtf

Aug 4, 2016 at 4:42pm

Autonomy vs. Dignity, Wildlife in Veganism and Ecology in the 21st century

Chris Takacs

Thank-you for your response. There are two rather distinct meanings to autonomy, political and individual. By autonomy I mean the individual freedom to act upon one’s own volition. I agree with you that both captive dolphins and pigs lack the dignity of a wild existence, but forced confinement is the chief cause of that loss. We also agree that humans, that government, has a role to play in wilderness management, to protect the habitat that allows animals to remain wild.

Chris Takacs

Perhaps I am wary of the term “dignity” when used in reference to wild animals, because I typically only hear it from hunters explaining the necessity of affording their prey a quick death and utilizing all of the carcass. Without an objective definition we face rhetorical assaults from those who see dignity in the “sacrifice” animals make so “that we can live”. Even among vegans, the idea that a beloved pet, has had something vital taken from it inspires hostility.

Aug 4, 2016 at 3:51pm

Shirtless selfie: progress / regress pic.

Lack of protein (in the vegan diet) is a bit of a taboo subject. The truth is, my life has been an uphill struggle since I ran out of protein supplements (carried with me from Canada). The protein-to-fat ratio on tofu is garbage, especially after the tofu has been cooked in oil. I’ve had to think very seriously and carefully about my diet, and I’ve made some very “artificial” changes. Sadly, I’m experienced enough to know as a practical fact that I’d have better results (by this point, given the lifting I’ve been doing) if I had a vegan protein supplement. However, as I’ve explained to my Chinese teachers, I’m not working out for the sake of vanity: I exercise simply for survival. If someone throws me down a staircase, I want to be able to get up and throw down.

Lack of protein (in the vegan diet) is a bit of a taboo subject. The truth is, my life has been an uphill struggle since I ran out of protein supplements (carried with me from Canada). The protein-to-fat ratio on tofu is garbage, especially after the tofu has been cooked in oil. I’ve had to think very seriously and carefully about my diet, and I’ve made some very “artificial” changes. Sadly, I’m experienced enough to know as a practical fact that I’d have better results (by this point, given the lifting I’ve been doing) if I had a vegan protein supplement. However, as I’ve explained to my Chinese teachers, I’m not working out for the sake of vanity: I exercise simply for survival. If someone throws me down a staircase, I want to be able to get up and throw down.

Jacob Schröck

If you buy my special deal package (scientist and bodybuilders hate me) you will get the best workout-plan and super effective meal-secrets for vegans. No protein needed. Seriously though, I belive there really is somewhat of a protein-hype, but since you seem concerned about the protein/fat ratio and want to get the best bang for the buck, you might actually want to look for some combination with high bio-avalability (which I usually am not concerned with in a calorie surplus or balance): beans+rice / beans+bread / corn+peas / soy (or tofu)+anything / different kinds of seed (hemp, chia and whatnot). Also, if you want to up your protein intake over the course of the day, soy milk is not a bad choice. I don’t know what’s available to you over there, but that’s the stuff that came to my mind right now.

Jessica

I know you’re being dead serious, but I found the thought of you throwing down hilarious. Guess that has to be your mentality when you piss so many people off ;P Have you ever considered sharing your Amazon wish list? I think a few peeps wouldn’t mind sending you things you actually want/need, like protein powder (assuming Amazon is allowed in China). I love receiving packages, but it’s also nice to give. I’d share my list if I were micro famous in a demimonde (yup — looked that up, too!)

The Truth of the Matter

@Jessica that’s a great idea!!!!!!!!!!! Brilliant.

Aug 4, 2016 at 10:54am

[Other voices:] A short situation-comedy about vegans/veganism.

Nick Knowles

Hmm, well they just called vegans hipsters, they didn’t seem to delve into too much else

Nick Knowles

I really don’t get the appeal of these cartoons they aren’t funny at all, like who laughs at literally anything that was said in this?

Aug 3, 2016 at 3:08pm

Militant Vegans, Real Talk.

A discussion of REAL problems of militancy in veganism, in contrast to the furore over Sorsha, Freelee, Unnatural Vegan & Pewdiepie.

Devon McAllister

Not surprised those vegans jumped on her n judged her.

Nick Knowles

Hey Eisel, please go on Vegan Revolutions Podcast and clear the air with him i’m tired of his baseless accusations against you, he even invited you at the end of this vid he just made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh9m4ANcInk

Eisel Mazard

The dude is a joke, and I’d have nothing to gain by talking to him. Cheetah did talk to him (you may recall), and he later regretted it (bitterly), although no harsh words were exchanged between them in that conversation (technically, I’d say that V.R. said some harsh words against myself in that discussion, but not against Cheetah). At that time, Cheetah’s total viewership was smaller than V.R.’s, so he felt it was a positive move for his career. Today, do you think V.R. could ever get promoted by Cheetah (who has the larger channel)? Nope. No chance.

Aug 3, 2016 at 11:23am

[Other voices:] Parody book review… of… my new e-book.

Liz

Obvious fake! Didn’t mention Laos or Cambodia in the title anywhere!

Bianca Gibson

Funny, but doesn’t mention Cambodia

Aug 3, 2016 at 5:41am

Knowing vs Feeling: Effective Activism & Effective People.

Liz

Eh, I don’t mind “passive” vegans that do nothing but “lead by example”, or even those that come with negative attitudes and views in other regards. As you said, at the end of the day we all share the same plate, and if nothing else, that bottom line is at least one thing they’ll have a positive impact on. They also help raise demand for vegan alternatives for cheese and meat and just generally vegan options in restaurants.

Michelle Mintmier

Yeah, this pretty much how I feel about it, too. I’m ‘passive’ ‘lead by example’ vegan….completely on purpose, because I believe my lifestyle example is enough in most cases. I just don’t aspire to turn anyone vegan by being ‘loud’ all the time, I honestly think I would turn people off. In fact I have turned people off with it, and have had better success by simply being vegan, and letting people ask me about it, which happens all the time. I have plenty of opportunity to talk about it and inspire.

Devon McAllister

Community …. ohhhhhh… i get it. A group of ppl where you decide who is moral or immoral…. honest or dishonest…. stupid or intelligent…. No Thanks.

Eisel Mazard

I have three words for you: The Spanish Inquisition.

Aug 1, 2016 at 11:12pm

Why nobody on youtube is dating / sleeping with anybody else.

This video is much more honest than could be reasonably expected, but no, it isn’t 100% honest, because that would be gross.

Alexa

Did you gift one of your signature white t-shirts?

Jessica

Maybe that’s why he’s been wearing so much black lately

Jessica

Haha, “you’re not even guaranteed to get that with me.” # 2: Men who love animals is an attractive, long-term quality for me; it could be associated with a hypersensitive, caring nature, blah blah…You could add # 12: filters — especially ones in Snapchat — make us all look better (does anyone look bad in B&W? ;P) What do you have against makeup? Overall, good video — I’ll take my marriageless, childless and FWBfull(er) self to the corner and cry lol (And, NO, I don’t try to ‘matchmake’ people hoping for a breakup, especially if they seem like decent people. My heart did break for Henya when I watched their video. Sadly, I’m just a hopeless romantic who loves love. #Swayzel was just an innocent joke for me, it was never meant to ‘bully’ you two together, FTR. Sorry if it came across that way :/)

Eisel Mazard

Pff. You couldn’t bully me if you tried. Just look at Durianrider: he tried.

Aug 1, 2016 at 11:09pm

No, it’s not a scam: Durianrider, we’ve done this before.

This video consists of clips from three prior videos (as I’ve already addressed Durianrider’s allegations… he continues to recycle them, with new lies mixed in to some extent). However, the outro (the law few minutes) does show a screen-shot from the contract with the law-firm, and a screen-shot from the (still ongoing!) delays in payment-transfer from Generosity/Indiegogo. So, as the title indicates: no, it isn’t a scam.

This video consists of clips from three prior videos (as I’ve already addressed Durianrider’s allegations… he continues to recycle them, with new lies mixed in to some extent). However, the outro (the law few minutes) does show a screen-shot from the contract with the law-firm, and a screen-shot from the (still ongoing!) delays in payment-transfer from Generosity/Indiegogo. So, as the title indicates: no, it isn’t a scam.

Jul 31, 2016 at 6:46am

PODCASTS: WHO’S NEXT?

You may have noticed that I’ve been uploading fewer podcasts, and more videos (than previously / than expected). Well, the internet here in China works in curious ways: since the time of my conversation with Vegan Lass, I’ve basically found it impossible to upload audio-files to Patreon… whereas I have been able to upload to Youtube (sometimes with extreme patience, but also, sometimes, upload speeds were better than download speeds… most peculiar). I really struggled to get the audio files for the discussion with Lass onto Patreon as a downloadable file, but, right now, my viable options seem to be (1) youtube and (2) archive.org (both blocked in China, BTW, yet working better than Patreon… lately).Just today, I recorded more than three hours of material with The Tofu Goddess, and I’ll have to look into editing it into some format in the days ahead. I’ve got another conversation pending with Jae Costly (“the vegan guy who knows about zoos”): we actually started recording a podcast last week, but were cut off by purely technical factors. I’ve also offered to speak with Joe Vegan several times (and, in fact, his channel was relatively small and unknown when I first made the offer!) but we haven’t managed to schedule it… yet. And, yes, there’s the question of the next appearance of “repeat offenders” like Jason Pizzino and Charles / The Vegan Cheetah (both of whom I’ve vaguely promised to record podcasts with… soon…).But hey, I reiterate: I’m still really interested in talking to real people who are not on youtube: I thought the last conversation I had with Steve Feit (the lawyer in D.C.) was really worthwhile, and I’d be delighted to track down more interviews of that kind… possibly from within the talent-pool of my Patreon supporters.

You may have noticed that I’ve been uploading fewer podcasts, and more videos (than previously / than expected). Well, the internet here in China works in curious ways: since the time of my conversation with Vegan Lass, I’ve basically found it impossible to upload audio-files to Patreon… whereas I have been able to upload to Youtube (sometimes with extreme patience, but also, sometimes, upload speeds were better than download speeds… most peculiar). I really struggled to get the audio files for the discussion with Lass onto Patreon as a downloadable file, but, right now, my viable options seem to be (1) youtube and (2) archive.org (both blocked in China, BTW, yet working better than Patreon… lately).Just today, I recorded more than three hours of material with The Tofu Goddess, and I’ll have to look into editing it into some format in the days ahead. I’ve got another conversation pending with Jae Costly (“the vegan guy who knows about zoos”): we actually started recording a podcast last week, but were cut off by purely technical factors. I’ve also offered to speak with Joe Vegan several times (and, in fact, his channel was relatively small and unknown when I first made the offer!) but we haven’t managed to schedule it… yet. And, yes, there’s the question of the next appearance of “repeat offenders” like Jason Pizzino and Charles / The Vegan Cheetah (both of whom I’ve vaguely promised to record podcasts with… soon…).But hey, I reiterate: I’m still really interested in talking to real people who are not on youtube: I thought the last conversation I had with Steve Feit (the lawyer in D.C.) was really worthwhile, and I’d be delighted to track down more interviews of that kind… possibly from within the talent-pool of my Patreon supporters.

Markus Murto

As a free software supporter I really approve the use of archive.org instead of Youtube. Maybe some kind of VPN would work when uploading video/audio?

Eisel Mazard

Quite a few of my podcasts have been uploaded (as audio/MP3) to archive.org (search for my name there, or for “à bas le ciel”, and you’ll find them).

Jul 30, 2016 at 3:33pm

Veganism will not make you happy, being vegan may make you even more miserable.

In that photo… I really look like a candidate for small-town mayor. I could just add an image of kids playing hockey in the background, and start making stump speeches at this point.

Jessica

Haha…that awkward moment when some pseudoscience that I subscribe to is here. (Have I mentioned that I’m not an intellectual?) I do believe food is energy and has energy. I did have a completely surreal and random moment cooking tofu once seeing water (a life source) come out of it, versus the blood (death) that I had grown numb to. But I still think that the lightness veganism can offer in spirit and consciousness IS magical. However, ultimately you switch the burden of being part of the problem for the burden of being part of the solution. The awareness in both knowing and feeling that comes with veganism doesn’t help my pre-veg depression or make me happier. I still manage and cope because I know it’s nothing compared to what the animals go through. And someone totes needs to edit this pic to make you into a real politician; sadly, I think a hater would because they’re some of your biggest fans. Smile more, Eisel. Actually, smile hardaaah — totally coined in this forum, folks. (And I totally hate when random strangers tell me to smile in public, so feel free to ignore me, too.)

Nick Knowles

Vegan Revolution is trying to do an impression of you the first few minutes of this podcast https://soundcloud.com/the-vegan-revolution-1/the-vegan-revolution-podcast-139-my-fox-amongst-my-chickenz-testing-my-purple-principle-bar

Jul 30, 2016 at 11:38am

I respect you enough to disrespect you (“ethical” cow-milk & watered-down veganism)

Barbara

Out of curiosity, are you familiar with Ayn Rand? And if so, what are your thoughts on her philosophy? It seems that the fundamental ‘doing the best you can’, and holding onto your moral code and principles is a theme she also strongly advocates for. I’ve just started reading her two best selling books, and it has helped me a lot in regards to deciphering the bull-shit in the world.

Eisel Mazard

As you haven’t yet read the books you’re alluding to, you may or may not be horrified to learn that I regard Ayn Rand as “the lowest of the low”.

Renee Sanborn

I had a situation happen to me somewhat recently concerning ahimsa milk. I was at the grocery store with my father, and he came up to me with a carton of ‘ethical’ milk. My father is a meat eater, and I can tell that my ethical stance on the exploitation of animals truly bothers him for personal reasons. He raised me to be very pro-hunting, pro-meat, ecetera. I don’t actively talk about veganism with him most of the time, but even so, it’s something that causes some cognitive dissonance for him in the way he sees me as an individual. For this reason, he wants to find some common ground with me. I think for himself more than anything, he doesn’t want me to reject the culture he provided me with, and by extension, he doesn’t want me to reject him. So, he came up to me in the grocery store, with this ahimsa milk very excited that this would be some leniency that he could wedge into my vegan stance, and I told him I didn’t want it. He started getting very red in the face, and very angry, when I explained that there was absolutely no reason for me to buy that and that I found dairy disgusting by it’s very nature and on every principle. I could tell he found this personally offensive. After this, he still was trying to sell me on it, boasting that the back of the container claims these cows lead ‘happy’ lives (as if products never make false claims). I basically had to explain to him my stance on animal exploitation in the middle of the grocery store. At which point he yelled at me in front of everyone, and stormed away. He ended up buying a normal gallon of milk himself. I points you have made in this video cause me to reflect on this, because I guess in the beginning of being a vegan years ago, I was far more utilitarian in my approach, and when I reflect on the reasons why that was, it was largely for acceptance from my family and friends. In actuality, my utilitarian reasons for being vegan where probably third or forth on my set of reasons, but I pretended it was baseline to discourage my family from seeing me as having gone off the deep end. I didn’t want to divorce myself from everyone I had ever known in some sense, from my family’s core values and collective ideas about the world and really it causes me to even see the history of civilization in a far different light. It doesn’t translate to something nearly as harsh when you make exceptions in your diet for animal products sometimes, and I feel like people won’t be nearly as offended if you will occasionally drink ‘ethical’ milk or consume ‘ethical’ honey. It implies that eating animals can not only be necessary but it can also somehow remain ‘good’. People truly want to believe that the exploitation of animals is fundamentally not a bad thing in and of itself and there are good reasons to indulge. This is probably one of the roughest parts of being a vegan is completely breaking away from this notion entirely. I don’t disagree with every point UV has ever made, but I think her method of trying to breach the gap between vegans and non-vegans, however well meant, is never going to be effective or catch on as clearly laying out some baselines and groundwork for what ethical veganism and animal exploitation really is and what it really translates to in our daily activities and norms. It might make guilt ridden animal consumers reduce their intake for a short period of time. Baby steps work in some ways, in some circumstances, but when it comes to something like politics, or ethics, I don’t think you can baby step yourself into veganism (though I will never discourage anyone for trying). People are moved by passion and strongly held values. For this reason, utilitarianism is never going to be effective. It’s a philosophy that doesn’t answer any question that doubts the nature of itself a bit like a religion in some ways.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for writing in: I don’t have much to say aside from thanking you for your contribution/reflections. Re: “I don’t disagree with every point UV has ever made, but I think her method of trying to breach the gap between vegans and non-vegans, however well meant, is never going to be effective or catch on…” The good news is that we get to try about 100 different tactics simultaneously, i.e., one doesn’t preclude the others. I do think the approach of, “as long as the cow doesn’t suffer” is extremely lame, but it is consistent with “as long as the dog doesn’t suffer” (something you’ve already heard me object to at tremendous length, whereas U.V. defends it). For people who basically want to defend the keeping of domesticated animals within veganism, the focus on suffering (and “utilitarianism”) makes sense… although I reject it entirely.

Jul 29, 2016 at 4:42pm

Appendix 1 on Sorsha, Durianrider, Unnatural Vegan & Pewdiepie

The Truth of the Matter

This is not positive publicity! This is bad!

Jessica

Agreed. Maybe good for her, but we all look even more ridiculous SMH

Jessica

Are you trolling us? LOL PDP basically reiterated your points (e.g. yoga pants can’t be future of veg, cults are no bueno, being confused about and mocking ‘Carb the Fuck Up’). And he did it in an entertaining way, which is why I gave him a thumbs up. I don’t think UV was stupid enough to think Sorsha’s the epitome of militant veganism, she’s just a relevant example. Sorsha’s (questionable) comedy isn’t funny at all to me, and his viewers will PERCEIVE her as serious, uncompromising and with a superiority complex — that’s why UV used her as an example. Yeah, his defense was weak; Throwing money at problems isn’t what we should be striving towards. But vegans mocking non-vegans isn’t exactly better or conducive to a more meaningful existence. You say we should be happy for Sorsha, but why can’t we be happy for PDP? And Sorsha even (thankfully) recognized that she needs to rebrand. [Please join me in 1) hoping Vegan Ava doesn’t make a vid on the topic; 2) if she does, PDP never finds it because then we’ll officially be the laughing stock of YT.]

The Truth of the Matter

I agree. I don’t think Felix is “Throwing money at problems” but is providing some proof that he does more than make gaming vids. He’s asking if what he does do for the world and people is negate because he’s not up to Sorsha’s standards.

Jul 29, 2016 at 1:32am

Happiness is overrated, narcissism is overrated.

Devon McAllister

Mathematicians can be brilliant ppl but we can make poor conversationalists. I haven’t studied the topics we cover here … I maybe took one history class… they have political science classes? Not where I went. ./smile I can think u come off like a d**k sometimes… but I’d probably sound like a d**k when I talk about the crap I’m comfortable talking about. That was helpful.

gina lachman

your content is resonating with me in many new ways after returning from the middle east. you’re always able to pinpoint the nuances of my cohort that so piss me off. very thankful x

Jul 29, 2016 at 12:15am

Equality and inequality: activism is “unequal”, political friendships are “unfair”.

Devon McAllister

A sad truth. My panic disorder made me too unreliable too work commercially anymore. It also limited my responsibilities… no more presentations… no conferences or big meetings… no more travel… no more drinking (which was strangely important in my male working environment). Its unfortunate when you go from being able to do so much to being able to do so little. My pride may tell me I still have these abilities and perhaps I do … but I’ll never be a fireman. ./smile

Lawrence S Taylor

I think the reality of scientific racism is not well known to rationalists here in the US. Many associate these ideas with the uneducated. Carleton S Coon at Harvard in the mid 20th century comes to my mind.

Jul 28, 2016 at 12:11pm

“Leading by Example” is Not Leading Anything at All.

A reply to one of the comments right here on Patreon.

Michelle Mintmier

Wow…finally a video in which I completely disagree with you. LOL I know you are using it as a relatively inconsequential example, but as as ex-smoker the main reason I quit was because of other people not smoking. Simple peer pressure. People ‘leading’ me to not smoke only made me angry and rebellious and want to smoke more. Totally weird, I know, but true nonetheless. Also, as a parent of a 20 year old boy who got in a lot of trouble as a teen, I also had to learn to ‘let go,’ stop leading him so much (he only rebelled) and ‘trust the process’ of him going through his own shit…..and then finally coming around to gravitate toward the example his parents are setting for him…..as we simple lead by example. “Monkey see, monkey do” is what I believe drives most of us, most of the time. There are plenty of opportunities within this paradigm for people to change simply because they want to be like everyone else they are around.

Liz

I don’t disagree with the core of your point at all, but I do think there is room for leading by example within veganism at this current time in a lot of cultures. The way people percieve non-smokers and vegans is fundamentally different right now in most parts of the western world. Smoking is considered a bad thing and the majority of people that do smoke are aware of how they’d be better off not smoking and the only thing stopping from taking that step them is their addiction. That’s not really the case with veganism. Eating a standard diet and using animal products is considered “normal” and healthy, being vegan is considered hippyish and overly idealistic at best, and unhealthy, cult-like and plain freaky at worst. I think there’s a lot of room for leading by example and showing people that you CAN be a reasonable and non-pseudo-science based Vegan, that you CAN be healthy (even more healthy than before!) as a Vegan, how easy it is to make an impact on the world by taking the simple step of chosing plant based ice cream instead (which is equally delicious!) instead of cow based ice cream. My fiance has gone 95% vegan because of my “good example” (he still eats grandma’s happy chicken eggs once in a while but that’s it), my sister has gone vegetarian and egg-free, and my mother has drastically reduced her meat intake and is actually going to do a segment on veganism in the social studies class she’s teaching in her high school next term. It’s not so much about you showing you how cool and trendy something is, it’s more about proving that something they might have not thought to be viable, IS in fact viable. Of course you didn’t plant the idea of veganism/reduced meat intake in their head, but to a certain point making an effort boils down to a “are they/aren’t they” issue, and you’re helping them flip the switch from “aren’t they” to “are they”. Of course this isn’t the same as reaching thousands or millions of people with a movie or a legal change, and I wholeheartedly agree with you that “I don’t want to do activism because it’s less useful than leading by example” is a really bad and harmful way of thinking, but leading by example still something that is needed as well. If every Vegan managed to turn even one other person Vegan along with them we’d be set.

Jul 27, 2016 at 1:32pm

A Diet is Not a Movement. A Protest is Not a Community.

(Warning: 27 minutes long.)

The White Pariah

It’s only tragic for you really. Your examples gave the impression that your knowledge and understanding of mental illness is fairly limited, as does the way you talk about it in some of your other videos. The paranoia in the last but one paragraph could almost get you a diagnosis…

Eisel Mazard

Yes, yes, thank you for the insult Pariah. I’m terribly impressed with your conduct the moment I happen to have an opinion that is contrary to yours in any way.

Jessica

Maybe I’m in the minority, but I’ve missed your longer vids. It’s true — many communities are exclusive and, usually, people don’t have a problem with that. But I feel like veganism (at least with how it’s represented today) is associated with an elitism that already turns people off. The whole thin, fit, mostly white, able-bodied, able to afford organic food, etc. privileges. I saw this really sad video of a vegan woman saying she’s the heaviest she’s ever been, and she feels like she’s letting the animals down. I guess she attracted a lot of interest in the diet when she lost weight, and now she’s met with a lot of judgment. It’s sad, and I know what she means; it’s probably why I don’t go out of my way to say I’m vegan , or why I always feel the need to qualify why I’m vegan (e.g. not for health). Even though my rational mind knows that even if I became the physical ideal, a lot of people would just find another reason to discredit veganism because of me. But vegans are also a pretty judgemental group. It is surreal how vegans can feel connected to a network of strangers for one reason. I’ve felt that sting of betrayal and judgment before re: ex vegans, but I’m working on it. Moral of the story: not all judgement is bad, we just need to channel it effectively. And I don’t think I’ve ever said this — but thanks for caring about my First Nations relatives

Jul 26, 2016 at 2:38pm

[Other voices:] Meanwhile, people are still discovering veganism…

It ain’t deep, but it’s real.

Martine van Haperen

Joe Vegan stepped up his Eisel impersonations to another level https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8SzUdEyQNQ

Adelina Amza

say what you will, but that guy Infinite Waters is influencing a lot of people to do the 7-day vegan challenge and eventually go vegan. if this guy couldn t go through with it, doesn t mean others won t. Also, the poor guy was on complete junk food for the 7 days. Also, he could avoid the stress of the ingredients of processed foods by taking an easier, simpler, whole-foods route. And this is where ”health” you tubers would come in with some tips. I know i m preaching to the choir here though…

Eisel Mazard

Different people have different things to offer. It is with no false humility that I say I really don’t have much to offer (although what I offer is, apparently, unique)… currently memorizing a page of vocabulary in Chinese every day, etc., not leaving all that much of my time, energy or brain for anything else, TBH.

Jul 25, 2016 at 6:31pm

Vegsource defends Durianrider, I defend myself (my response to “Nina and Randa’s Dad”, Jeff Nelson)

This is not even worth talking about, honestly. Jeff posted some really lame excuses for why he’s “against” me, such as complaining that I never explained why I was in Chiang Mai, etc., but the reality is (1) that he never asked me (not by e-mail, etc.), and (2) if he had asked me, he would have AT LEAST gotten an answer as good as the one I provided to Joe Best (i.e., someone who didn’t deserve an answer, but received a very good one anyway). That is, in fact, a question I’ve answered both publicly and privately, so to pretend that I’m somehow mysterious or untrustworthy for failing to answer it is both idiotic and deceptive.Anyway, in both the e-mail I sent Jeff, and in the comment I just left below his video, I state that he and I still can build some kind of positive communication in the future, simply as two vegans who are supposedly “saving the planet”.

This is not even worth talking about, honestly. Jeff posted some really lame excuses for why he’s “against” me, such as complaining that I never explained why I was in Chiang Mai, etc., but the reality is (1) that he never asked me (not by e-mail, etc.), and (2) if he had asked me, he would have AT LEAST gotten an answer as good as the one I provided to Joe Best (i.e., someone who didn’t deserve an answer, but received a very good one anyway). That is, in fact, a question I’ve answered both publicly and privately, so to pretend that I’m somehow mysterious or untrustworthy for failing to answer it is both idiotic and deceptive.Anyway, in both the e-mail I sent Jeff, and in the comment I just left below his video, I state that he and I still can build some kind of positive communication in the future, simply as two vegans who are supposedly “saving the planet”.

Gosia

Eisel, no, you swear?

Jessica

There’s a BIG difference between some mean comments (and his daughters didn’t need his help to say those nasty things to TVC) in vegan drama and malicious illegal activity. Jeff’s just as bad as Mommytang (and I put Nikocado in the same category now). Wow, they gave his daughters a shout out and sold his son a discounted bike — they’re automatically swell people. He’s a coward (for personal or professional reasons…one can only speculate) who only knows how to deflect, deflect, deflect. (But DR’s content is substantive?) On a lighter note, loved the transition from fade and ‘fuck you’ talk to apologia…some serious vegan political gangsta ish

Jul 24, 2016 at 2:11pm

[Other voices:] The Vegan Cheetah’s Grand Apologia.

Admittedly, there’s an open question as to what should and should not be posted here under the “other voices” heading, however, in this case, it is fair to say that many members of this group might appreciate the opportunity (or excuse) to comment on (or joke around about) this stage of the unfolding furore with Cheetah vs. Freelee/Durianrider.For the record: I actually am old enough to remember when D.R. made a videotaped statement in support of Cheetah, via V.R., etc. –a time when all of the “alliances” were very different. I’m glad to say that since that time my own channel has dragged several issues from the shadows into prominence (e.g., vivisection, etc.) in addition to directly challenging much of the formerly-prevalent wisdom of “lifestyle activism”. In other words: it isn’t just drama.

Admittedly, there’s an open question as to what should and should not be posted here under the “other voices” heading, however, in this case, it is fair to say that many members of this group might appreciate the opportunity (or excuse) to comment on (or joke around about) this stage of the unfolding furore with Cheetah vs. Freelee/Durianrider.For the record: I actually am old enough to remember when D.R. made a videotaped statement in support of Cheetah, via V.R., etc. –a time when all of the “alliances” were very different. I’m glad to say that since that time my own channel has dragged several issues from the shadows into prominence (e.g., vivisection, etc.) in addition to directly challenging much of the formerly-prevalent wisdom of “lifestyle activism”. In other words: it isn’t just drama.

Russ Trotter

Ugh, how is all the “one can only speculate… ” and coating assertions with “in my personal opinion” any different than what DR did to EM ? VC is on a slippery slope here. Trying to troll DR (the self-proclaimed professional troll) is … counter productive. I mean sheesh, if we wanna go watch a dude hit a hornet’s nest with a bat, just watch “epic failz” vids all day long. While VC is a neat and cool guy, to put it in vernacular that’s apropos here on EM’s channel but his content is beneath contempt and while I won’t go far to say VC *is* stupid, his content in its current form sure is.

Eisel Mazard

In my own way, I’ve tried to draw attention to the “double-edged sword” phenomenon involved here: I don’t think the problem is good vs. evil so much as non-fiction vs. fiction.

Nicole G

Yesterday on VeganCheetah’s YouNow broadcast a really incredible thing happened. Sorsha’s boyfriend, James, whom VC has joked about in videos (i.e. why the heck was he laying on the floor in that one video and why did she have no pants on?), came on to harass VC. James asked to “guest” on that broadcast, and most people would’ve said ‘no,’ because he was obviously trolling. But VC was super cool and let him. Of course James starts off by mocking VC and just being really stupid and spiteful (i.e. making fun of VC for not having the latest iphone, essentially calling him poor). Long story short: VC didn’t attack back or kick him off. He laughed off the things James was saying and continued to ask meaningful questions and get to know him. James turned out to be a really interesting guy with a rough background, that you couldn’t help but sympathize with. Moreover, by the end, the two were completely friendly and all the people in the chat who were hating on James, were ultimately cheering him. It probably sounds silly, but it was actually a really beautiful display of VC’s ability to set aside his own ego and diffuse an otherwise nasty confrontation. POINT BEING — Charlie is not a spiteful guy and really goes out of his way to extend an olive branch to people. He has tried to be friendly in the past with DR & FL and has sent private messages to them. They are the ones that got it to this point. I hope people with a negative view of Charlie will at least recognize that. He’s indeed showing a lot of bravado here, but it’s been a long time coming.

Eisel Mazard

Different people can contribute in different ways: someone like V.C. has something very different to offer than someone like myself (and I’ve now been saying that for years… or, at least, for more than one year…). Of course, not everyone can appreciate that, but if even a few thousand people CAN appreciate it, then that’s a wonderful thing in its own way.

Jul 23, 2016 at 11:39pm

Durianrider says I’m “pro-vivisection”: what does “anti-vivisection” really mean?

Michelle Mintmier

“I’m interested in winning.” So simple, really. Great video!

Jul 23, 2016 at 7:26pm

More than just “What I Eat in a Day” (from the Kunming zoo, etc.)

It’s odd: most of what I thought would be covered in patreon-only material (as semi-private) I now find feel compelled to put on the main youtube page. I think that if I didn’t show (and talk about) what my life in China was like (outside of Patreon), the whole endeavor would feel a bit artificial (even if only a small number of people enjoy these videos).

It’s odd: most of what I thought would be covered in patreon-only material (as semi-private) I now find feel compelled to put on the main youtube page. I think that if I didn’t show (and talk about) what my life in China was like (outside of Patreon), the whole endeavor would feel a bit artificial (even if only a small number of people enjoy these videos).

Michelle Mintmier

Thanks for the zoo footage and commentary. While zoos comprise only a very small percentage of exploited animals, I think criticism of the industry is extremely significant. Zoos are one of the first places we learn to normalize animal captivity and use. It is like the bizarre ‘theater’ where we begin to allow ourselves to objectify others.

Vince Green

Haha, the rotation of your plate made me laugh. Can’t have anything left unseen. You even went the extra mile to dissect the pile of vegetables. It’s strange to look back at childhood memories from zoos. The fascination for the animals was all that existed. It’s saddening to think that my parents have a subscription so they can go for unlimited relaxing walks among the locked up animals, thinking they support wildlife conservation. I don’t know much about the culture in China, but practicing and playing music in public they do there seems so nice. I sometimes see it in videos and it always relaxes me. I imagine myself one day joining one of those little groups (I play some Chinese instruments, not good enough [yet?] though), although it probably will never happen.

Eisel Mazard

I do try to show you what the green vegetables (on the plate) really are: many of them have no name in English.

Jul 22, 2016 at 9:01am

[Other voices:] In the case of vegans vs. Onision, we won?

Sort of an interesting footnote: you will recall that in a recent video I made a moderate statement about Onision’s peculiar position as “vegan in principle, but not in practice”. Apparently, internet debates did (eventually) inspire him to try being 100% vegan.

Nick Knowles

wow shes cute

Nicole G

Yeah, not sure I consider this a success. A guy gets bullied and publicly shamed into veganism (something he was already making efforts towards), and that’s a win for our side? Moreover, you have to wonder if his struggle with acne is his greater motivation, instead of all this harassment. Either way, Vegan Gains and the like will no doubt be patting themselves on the back for this.

Eisel Mazard

Yep. It’s a bit strange. Conversely, Onision himself is a bit strange. I wouldn’t be surprised if he enjoyed the process (i.e., I doubt he actually felt shamed).

Jul 22, 2016 at 5:55am

[Other voices:] Brazil’s “Vegan Just” (Hula-Hoop Monologues!)

This is a new channel… and, in some ways, a new art-form.

ModVegan

So funny. I love the direction she’s decided to go in. We need more levity in the vegan community

Sean Donahue

Subbed. Thx

Jul 21, 2016 at 3:54pm

Castration: vegan excuses for enslaving animals.

Yes, inevitably, Unnatural Vegan gets a mention in there.

Patricia Perennes

I do not think unatural vegan is stupid. I really like most of her videos. I just think that on thons very precise topic she is blinded by the fact she “owns” pet and “loves” her cats. Therefore, she is not able to think wisely about this issue and gives the same kind of argument than meat eaters claiming they care about animal well being. Good example of cognitive dissonance.

Patricia Perennes

However her position on this one issue does not discredit her entire work. Saying that her entire work is bullshit because on this one issue she suffers of cognitive dissonance is really going to far. This misanthropic conclusion sounds like some of Gary Yourofsky statement : I do not like humans, everything is black or white, you are either with is or against us, etc. I do not agree with Swayze on this issue but I still think she is one of the few vegan that is not creepy on YouTube. She hais dine great video (I remember one about Cheerios). Eisel you should not alienate her because you disagree on this topic.

Eisel Mazard

To me, she has been much worse than “creepy”.

Jul 21, 2016 at 2:10am

(1hr+) The Vegan Lass on The Permanent Vacation Podcast.

I’m going to attempt to attach the (downloadable, MP3) audio-only version of the podcast to this same “posting” within Patreon (but it may take some time). This will avoid having two separate posts for the same podcast (one audio, one video).

Noggy Goggy

Great interview, would have loved for it to have gone even longer. Vegan Lass is adorable.

Jul 19, 2016 at 12:22am

The most offensive video I ever made (Advice nobody wants to hear)

Pauline

I didn’t find the video at all offensive either. It was pertinent in so many ways. It’s been one of life’s mysteries to me as to why some people care about stuff and others just don’t, no matter how much information is put in front of them. If you take veganism, animal suffering and killing as an example (although I also once had a manager who said he didn’t care if people in Ethiopia starved when there was famine there, which took me aback – but at least he was honest). In regard to veganism (and going back to when I first became vegetarian during my teens), I’ve been talking to people around me about the unnecessary killing of animals – the fact that they want to live, have a right to live, have lives worth living, and that enjoying the taste of their flesh in our mouths isn’t sufficient justification to kill, etc. – for several decades now, and I see that most people simply don’t care – or certainly not enough to make any efforts to change. They seem dead inside if the topic comes up, and sometimes actually say they don’t care. I think attitudes, the ability to empathise, a sense of curiosity, passion (and compassion), moral concern, a desire to develop, etc. are things that are largely learned or acquired when young, or, at any rate, the seed is planted then. There is a spark that is lit which can grow to a flame later in life; it could be lit by a variety of things (an event, incident or experience, a person, a relationship, etc.), but is likely to become incipiently embedded in the consciousness as a child. It could be stimulated more by emotion than intellect. If people have never had any example to follow, they may find it hard to develop it autonomously. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but that it’s much less likely to. Going off at a slight tangent, but I think it’s related, I was very struck by one of your previous videos, which stayed with me, in which you said something like (not a word for word quote exactly): In order for ethics to work, the link between knowing and feeling has to be strong. This isn’t the case for a lot of people. Many people don’t feel differently on the basis of their knowledge. The question of knowing the right thing to do in principle and being motivated to actually do it is very different in different people. “The prospect of ethics relies on there being a connection between knowing and feeling. If there’s no connection there, if you can know something and it doesn’t change how you feel about something, then we’re really no longer really talking about ethics”.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “The prospect of ethics relies on there being a connection between knowing and feeling.” This is (lamentably?) part of my own, original philosophy, and it is something I’ve been talking about since I was about 21 years old, i.e., its earliest applications had nothing to do with veganism. That whole line of inquiry/argument originates with myself (it can neither be attributed to Buddhism, nor to any of the European philosophers I’ve studied, etc.), and, for the same reason, it is very likely to be forgotten/ignored.

Pauline

This article is interesting and argues that attitudes and behaviours can be infectious (both positive and negative). It makes sense, with humans being profoundly social animals, who often readily synchronise with and even mirror those around them. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/kindness-contagion/

Jul 17, 2016 at 11:36pm

[Video-podcast:] Organizing Youtube Vegans Into Real-World Activists (Eisel Mazard & Steven Feit)

This has an edited intro (circa 4 minutes long) added at the start, but is otherwise the same as the audio-only version of the podcast I’ve already shared with you. Obviously, the audio-only version has the advantage of being portable… and the video version has… well… I suppose it has a youtube comments-section?

This has an edited intro (circa 4 minutes long) added at the start, but is otherwise the same as the audio-only version of the podcast I’ve already shared with you. Obviously, the audio-only version has the advantage of being portable… and the video version has… well… I suppose it has a youtube comments-section?

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

Thanks for mentioning me and my work! Trying hard. Got some street interviews going up on my channel this week and a big expose on mink farming. Busy busy. But my channel is starting to grow

Louise J

A vegan was wrong on the internet and I’m ignoring it, even though it drives me up the wall. I’ve done my bit.

Jul 17, 2016 at 1:38pm

The Vegan Lass Podcast (7 min. promo/preview)

The whole thing is over 90 minutes long, and coming soon.

Genevieve Jackson

Great pic of Lauren

Harari

You know you’ve been in china a while when you read ‘Guile’ as 贵了!

Jul 17, 2016 at 5:33am

[Podcast:] Organizing Youtube Vegans into Real World Activists

Instead of making this particular podcast patreon-exclusive, you can download the audio from this (publicly-available) link:

https://archive.org/details/OrganizingYoutubeVegansIntoRealWorldActivists

Instead of making this particular podcast patreon-exclusive, you can download the audio from this (publicly-available) link:

https://archive.org/details/OrganizingYoutubeVegansIntoRealWorldActivists

The White Pariah

I’m listening to this now. For me, the single most important thing we have amongst the smaller Youtubers is passion/anger, call it what you will, and an understanding of how it does need a focus in order not to start turning in on itself. No matter how easy it is to fall into the trap of discounting the audience as drama-whores, if we can sell the idea of channelling this ‘everyday veganism’ as I call it towards organisation. Vegans in all walks of life, situated at every level of society, perfectly poised to begin normalising veganism. I personally believe that barely any real change can happen on either a social or political level if we are constantly ‘othered’. As you know (I think?), my personal experience is of mental health and disability activism, and my efforts just in my day job have actually materially shaped not just who I work for, but in so doing I’ve also influenced a number of large institutions. Without saying too much about my day job, it’s something absolutely central to society that has a global footprint. I also work another part time voluntary role for a charity, who use the approaches that Steven was referencing. I would have like to hear him talk more on this, and since I’ve also co-organised a disability conference to bring together many disparate parties and been left feeling that this wasn’t really affecting any change. As Steven said, concrete everyday organisation is the way I think we should be looking to go. I’d very much like to link up with others who want to talk about this further.

Jul 17, 2016 at 3:19am

Two really wonderful podcasts to upload (A.S.A.P.)

Uploading from China has been difficult, so I just post this as a warning: I have two wonderful podcasts to share (a.s.a.p.), both over an hour long:• My first conversation with “The Vegan Lass” (Lauren). This covers a huge range of issues, from the personal to the political.

A brass-tacks political conversation about organizing vegan activism with Steven Feit, who is a lawyer living in Washington D.C. with long-term ambitions linked to veganism and ecology.

Uploading from China has been difficult, so I just post this as a warning: I have two wonderful podcasts to share (a.s.a.p.), both over an hour long:• My first conversation with “The Vegan Lass” (Lauren). This covers a huge range of issues, from the personal to the political.

A brass-tacks political conversation about organizing vegan activism with Steven Feit, who is a lawyer living in Washington D.C. with long-term ambitions linked to veganism and ecology.

Jul 17, 2016 at 12:04am

Onision, vegan in principle, not in practice

And, in case you don’t know me by now , I’ll warn that this 22-minute video discusses much, much more than its title suggest (oh, I think we’ve got a solid 10 minutes on Cambodia and Vietnam, among other ethical parallelisms present). And, yes, the video on youtube presents you with a link to “That Vegan Mom”, who appears in the first few seconds, as I recall:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC76RjmepqqU50CsgGtscwAA/videos

https://www.instagram.com/thatveganmom/

And, in case you don’t know me by now , I’ll warn that this 22-minute video discusses much, much more than its title suggest (oh, I think we’ve got a solid 10 minutes on Cambodia and Vietnam, among other ethical parallelisms present). And, yes, the video on youtube presents you with a link to “That Vegan Mom”, who appears in the first few seconds, as I recall:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC76RjmepqqU50CsgGtscwAA/videos

https://www.instagram.com/thatveganmom/

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Genevieve Jackson

Probably.

Genevieve Jackson

If he stays vegan that will be amazing. His pretty face lures lots of young girls into the fold. Sorry, big crush on Onision.

Jul 16, 2016 at 11:57pm

Update on lawyers, Durianriders and judges riding bicycles.

“And the judge shows up on a lime green Bianchi…”

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

I linked my back account to my PayPal and have used it internationally. It takes for days to transfer payments from PayPal to my bank account. Side note, the final sentiment of this video is really depressing lol.

Eisel Mazard

The European account can’t do China, and the Chinese account can’t do Europe, neither do Canada, and Paypal would not allow me to transfer money between the two accounts, etc. etc. (I could say more, but the details are boring and unhelpful).

Sheldine Cooper

I work for PayPal Eisel. If you need me to look into anything for you.

Eisel Mazard

Sure, if you can help, I need help. The crucial account is linked to my public e-mail (eisel.mazard@gmail.com). I assume, at this point, I need to delete my (second) Paypal account in China, open a new Paypal account in Canada, and then try to send the funds between the two accounts (from Europe to Canada). Sending to China has already proven to be impossible, and the staff were unforgivably terrible.

Jul 16, 2016 at 3:33pm

Veganismo: quiero una comunidad real. [Spanish translation]

The question of the title to assign the Spanish translation remains unresolved… ? As requested, the translation will just be credited to “Jessica” (no last name stated).

Jessica

I wonder who that Jessica person is? ;P Sounds good to me, what do you want it to say?

The Truth of the Matter

Great job, Jessica!

James Souroujon Henderson

“Quiero una comunidad real” just means “I want a real community”, not sure if that’s what you were going for.. plus the wording is slightly awkward, i think instead of real i would say “verdadera”… not sure tbh

Jessica

Originally, I used ‘verdadera’ in the copy, but the characters were limited in the translation fields, so I opted for shorter words; I had to cut and shorten a lot because I didn’t know that at first. Agreed — ‘verdadera’ sounds better than ‘real.’

Jul 16, 2016 at 3:23am

Utilitarianism (reply to a patron on Patreon)

UNDER TEN MINUTES LONG! ;-)Here’s the link to the earlier video (mentioned) on Nihilism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F59Rx7uoRpo

And, much to my own amusement, I said “three noble truths” instead of “three marks of existence”.

UNDER TEN MINUTES LONG! ;-)Here’s the link to the earlier video (mentioned) on Nihilism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F59Rx7uoRpo

And, much to my own amusement, I said “three noble truths” instead of “three marks of existence”.

ModVegan

Thanks very much for expanding a bit on this, Eisel. It makes complete sense that utilitarianism is quite “useless” in your life. And a useless philosophy isn’t worth that much now, is it? Having grown up catholic (and later presbyterian), suffering is probably lauded more than god himself (perhaps one of the reasons that so many catholics are fascinated with buddhist philosophy – not that they understand it). Personally, I have always suffered from a bit of a justice complex and so I think suffering is unfair, and I want to stop it by any means necessary (and I really do mean that – I have no problem with altering nature and humanity in order to prevent suffering). But, back to the video, I enjoyed it a lot, and the link to your other video too, which I either misinterpreted previously, or didn’t watch (I’ve been so busy lately I’m not sure which!). Saludos.

Dan Helman

Thanks, Eisel! This (along with the linked video) has given me a lot to think about. A few thoughts right off the bat though: As a naturalist/materialist, I share with you a basic nihilistic view of the world. I should think most (all?) thoughtful materialists/naturalists will have implicitly adopted nihilism at some fundamental level, though many will also have finessed this nihilism in ways similar to how you have — I’m referring here to your other video, where you very clearly explain how, given nihilism, one cannot derive meaning from the world, but is rather responsible for creating it, much like a painter. Of course, our nihilism will not inform our behaviour directly: nihilism by itself is merely descriptive (meaning can not be found in the world), and cannot tell us how to act in the world. One must adopt additional, adjunct philosophies/belief systems that will help us make decisions and move through the world. Thus, one typically goes through life operating on the basis of several philosophies (this I think is not controversial). You point out that these philosophies are tools, useful for defining and responding to problems. But tools are specific to certain projects. A hammer is the tool to bring to a construction site, whereas rocket fuel (not hammers) is what is required on a shuttle launch pad. Similarly, a communist philosophy is an appropriate tool to bring (though you and I would agree there are better, sharper tools one could bring) to questions of how to organize ourselves socially and politically, but is not a useful tool to bring to questions of metaphysics or existentialism. So too, determinism is an appropriate philosophy to bring to questions of human behaviour and how society should respond to ‘undesirable’ behaviour, but will not be very useful at all in questions of about how to organize ourselves politically (and probably is not very useful in questions about ethics, either). Utilitarianism (and here’s my main point) is an appropriate philosophical tool to bring to questions of suffering, though it may be (as you point out) useless for questions concerning what sorts of relationships states should have with one another. I take your point that a utilitarian philosophy is going to have nothing substantive to offer in questions about whether or not one state should war against another (if for no other reason than that the variables of suffering are too many, and exist in too complex a relationship to each other, to admit of a utilitarian analysis). It probably also has nothing important to offer in considerations about whether or not languages should be allowed to die (an interesting question, though at the moment I don’t recognize how it is a moral one). But it certainly *is* an appropriate philosophical tool to apply to questions like: should I murder the fish in order to continue surviving on this desert island, or should I refrain from murder and allow myself to perish of starvation. Or (a question that recently came up for me): should I eat the mashed potatoes I’m being served (and, I have just been told, have dairy in them), or should I avoid them and remain mildly hungry (eating only the leaf lettuce, olives and crackers I have been served). I see utilitarian approaches to suffering as being, first, very helpful in identifying such problems *as problems*, and, second, as being quite a useful tool in helping to answer such problems (utilitarianists would answer, I think: eat the fish; avoid the mashed potatoes). Again, utilitarianism may not be appropriate or helpful for answering many important questions about how to behave in the world, but does this mean that it is *never* a helpful tool? Should we discount the usefulness of a hammer in constructing a building, because it is of no help in launching a space shuttle? Wouldn’t it be better (for me) to have in my toolbox both a hammer (for when I construct building) and a gallon of rocket fuel (for when I launch rockets)? I should note that I have no real skin in this game. If utilitarianism turns out to be a flimsy and ridiculous as you say it is, then so be it. I’d be happy to adopt another, better philosophy in it’s place. But at the moment I am not entirely convinced that it is flimsy and ridiculous (though, again, I enjoyed the thought-provoking critique you provided in your video, and will continue to think on it). Thanks again!

Jul 15, 2016 at 6:37pm

What I eat in a day #3: elephants in chains.

Yes, BTW, the ingredients do include dried meat. And seaweed.

Genevieve Jackson

That’s what the zoo was like when I was a child. There were even mice running around. It was horrifying.

Genevieve Jackson

I will have nightmares about meat floss now. Thanks.

Jul 15, 2016 at 1:08pm

[Patreon Exclusive:] Ancient Religions vs. The Future of Veganism

This is partly is response to ModVegan, as stated.

Gunnar from Norway

I enjoyed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F12iCJOKLIA

Genevieve Jackson

I loved it. As someone who got into veganism in 1991-1992 between age 15 and 16, and at eleven read Plain Facts by Dr. Kellogg I was ecstatic! I love creepy old newsletters, menus and books. Lots of that fun imagery in the video.

Genevieve Jackson

Veganism+ might be good. So many people become aware of ethics after going vegan for health.

Jul 15, 2016 at 11:14am

The Black and White Issue (I disagree with Cheetah for once)

At one extreme, some vegans describe the cause as if it eclipsed all other moral concerns, and all other humanitarian ambitions; disillusioned with this, some vegans instead discuss veganism as if (1) it were morally equivalent to any other ambition (to make the world a better place), and (2) as if meat-eaters engaged in humanitarian work were equal to (or even superior to) vegans attempting to do the same job. For once, I disagree with Vegan Cheetah.

At one extreme, some vegans describe the cause as if it eclipsed all other moral concerns, and all other humanitarian ambitions; disillusioned with this, some vegans instead discuss veganism as if (1) it were morally equivalent to any other ambition (to make the world a better place), and (2) as if meat-eaters engaged in humanitarian work were equal to (or even superior to) vegans attempting to do the same job. For once, I disagree with Vegan Cheetah.

Genevieve Jackson

My sister and brother both live on foodstamps. My brother eats Duck, my sister eats vegan. They know basic cooking which is not inaccessible to anyone in the USA.

Nicole G

Side note — the Old Testament consistently speaks of prostitution in a negative way, and always with dire consequences. In many cases it is used as a term of rebuke (i.e. Exodus 34:15). It most definitely does not affirm it in any way.

Eisel Mazard

I disagree: in the context of a legal code that condemns everyone to death for practically everything, the old testament is (1) soft on whores, and (2) even softer on patriarchs who sleep with whores (or even with their own blood relations masquerading as whores, etc.). Proverbs 23:27: “…a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman is a narrow pit.” Have I mentioned lately that I’m a nihilistic atheist?

Jul 14, 2016 at 1:43pm

“We now return to our regularly scheduled program…”

Believe it or not, I wanted to upload two videos today, minimum, one of them being patreon-exclusive. I could have uploaded four, if the internet allowed it. There’s no point in complaining (no, really…), I just note: sometimes the internet here just doesn’t co-operate, and my uploading slows down (or stops). Of course, it would make more sense if I stopped uploading because I was actually busy (e.g., learning Chinese)… but, currently, that’s not the case.

Believe it or not, I wanted to upload two videos today, minimum, one of them being patreon-exclusive. I could have uploaded four, if the internet allowed it. There’s no point in complaining (no, really…), I just note: sometimes the internet here just doesn’t co-operate, and my uploading slows down (or stops). Of course, it would make more sense if I stopped uploading because I was actually busy (e.g., learning Chinese)… but, currently, that’s not the case.

Jessica

Cool, à-bas-le-ciel broadcasting corporation

Eisel Mazard

Overnight, I was only able to upload 10% of a video. When things like this happen, I just wonder, “What if it stays this way?” What if I really can’t upload to youtube anymore, etc. The internet has good days and bad days here, often linked to political events (or, at least, this was the case when I was here 9 years ago, and there were “crackdowns” on the internet, linked to specific events/controversies).

Jacob Schröck

If shit hits the fan, you can always write stuff. I think the people here on patroen don’t care too much about the format (although I always enojoy podcasts for their convenience) and will continue commenting on the things you have to say. By the way: Didn’t you say in one of the podcasts that you were leaving sooner than expected? Do have any idea, where you will go after that (some place without these kind of internet-restrictions)? Keep your head up

Jul 14, 2016 at 1:24am

You know my steez.

BTW, if you don’t know the video I’m alluding to here (‘with Zahria”), here’s the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne6BMFTjZ44

Genevieve Jackson

I just looked up steez. I feel so white. I didn’t used to be that way when I lived in Chicago.

The White Pariah

I’d like to become a friend

Jul 13, 2016 at 4:22pm

Yes, I love my daughter.

Renee Sanborn

My best friend has nothing but lucid dreams also and they are always incredibly insightful. Best wishes on your situation with your daughter. And did you say you have some experience in theater?

ModVegan

Everyone loves to offer advice – I understand (and I’m guilty, too) of the urge to offer useless advice when the best thing is really just asking the other person how they’re doing and offer support. One of my mom’s close friends recently went through cancer and she said the most difficult part was having to kindly dismiss all the bizarre, ill-informed advice she kept getting (ie, it’s your fault, you don’t think positive! Have you tried baking soda? Hypnotherapy? Hydrotherapy? lol.). I think it’s some sort of maladaptive evolutionary glitch most of us have to fight against (offering useless, usually unsolicited advice). Anyway, all the best.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I know the sort of things you’re talking about, Margaret, but I can’t recall even one example on that level of legitimacy: most of it was just along the lines of, “You should not be in China/Thailand right now, you should be with your daughter, and there is no possible legitimate reason as to why you would be in China”.

Jul 13, 2016 at 2:48am

[Video:] Bullfighting, animal individuality and human civilization.

I was reluctant to upload this, as noted yesterday. I slept on it, listened to it once this morning, and decided to give it a chance. Hopefully the tone and purpose of the thing isn’t horrendously misunderstood.

Maddalena

Just so you know things are changing in Southern France, bullfights are no more considered part of the official cultural heritage like it was before and several mouvements are making big efforts to make it illegal. . This song is extremely popular in France and it describes the horror of bullfights: definitely not your type of music though http://www.thomasriggs.net/blog/index.php/2010/04/french-pop-song-of-the-week-la-corrida-by-francis-cabrel/comment-page-1/

Devon McAllister

Then try writing the purpose in the description.

Jul 12, 2016 at 5:30pm

[Podcast:] Bullfighting in Laos & Civilization Itself [17 min.]

Bull-fighting_podcast_featuring_Minimalist_Mark.mp3

This podcast features Vegan Minimalist Mark, whose channel you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/c/markgardiner1976/videosThe image above shows Motherwell’s “Elegy to the Spanish Republic” series of paintings: this is, in fact, an image related to bull-fighting.

This podcast features Vegan Minimalist Mark, whose channel you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/c/markgardiner1976/videosThe image above shows Motherwell’s “Elegy to the Spanish Republic” series of paintings: this is, in fact, an image related to bull-fighting.

Marion Poliquin

Víctor Barrio was an idiot who died an idiot’s death. I won’t shed a tear for him, but I’m not applauding either. The whole damn affair is a tragedy: for the idiot’s loved ones, for the innocent animals, for the soul of a nation and for whatevergood the idiot had in him that he had yet to give. It’s a tragedy and a waste on any level. A polished turd is still a turd and sometimes that light at the end of a tunnel is an incoming train.

Genevieve Jackson

I always thought that substandard abstract expressionist work by Motherwell the fame whore and interloper of the movement was meant to represent his cock and balls? I had no idea he was so deep:)

Jul 12, 2016 at 9:36am

The Death of a Dream (yeah, it’s about veganism… surprised?)

I suppose the full title could be, The Death of a Dream: Veganism After the End of HCLF / RT4.

Genevieve Jackson

The younger generation hates cooking so much they would prefer to devolve into fruit munching apes. That’s the real story. If Detroit gets turned into a giant urban farm the fruit cult life could really take over:) Watch out! My wish is that they develop one plant that was nutritionally complete, and that would be all you need. Sort of a soylent green plant:)

I_See_Stars

https://huel.com/ not quite a single plant, but heading in the direction of vegan soylent.

Jul 11, 2016 at 3:21pm

Friends, strangers, activists (w. Conradical Vegan)

The dorky sound effects that pop up from time to time basically exist to remind you that this is an edited podcast: the conversation lasted more than an hour, and it has been trimmed down.

The Truth of the Matter

Oh geez, Eisel. You’re supporting DR also now. Lmao.

丈之介

I would just like to point out that there is no hyphen in sound effect.

Eisel Mazard

I follow Chicago Manual guidelines: a hyphen may be used at any time that it would avoid misapprehension of the meaning of the sentence as a whole.

Jul 11, 2016 at 8:17am

[Other voices:] The WW2 Holocaust Analogy.

I’d say you can skip to the 6:45 mark to start with. Obviously, this is posted here because I think it is interesting enough to be discussed/shared (i.e., please don’t presume that I agree with her). This raises interesting questions, but keep in mind: I listen to rap music, a genre absolutely laden with profanities (etc.), and my own tolerance for political incorrectness is very high.

I’d say you can skip to the 6:45 mark to start with. Obviously, this is posted here because I think it is interesting enough to be discussed/shared (i.e., please don’t presume that I agree with her). This raises interesting questions, but keep in mind: I listen to rap music, a genre absolutely laden with profanities (etc.), and my own tolerance for political incorrectness is very high.

Jessica

(Sorry it’s so long :/) Finally finished vid. So I’m not personally offended by these comparisons, and I’ve used them in the past in a public way. I was influenced by learning things like: “Henry Ford, who was so impressed by the efficient way meat packers killed animals in Chicago, made his own special contribution to the slaughter of people in Europe. Not only did he develop the assembly-line method the Germans used to kill Jews, but he launched a vicious anti-Semitic campaign that helped the Holocaust happen.” Charles Patterson, Ph.D. (Admittedly, I never researched it in depth.) In hindsight, that probably wasn’t a great idea. I feel like I have some more leeway than the average white person (just keeping it real) because I can check genocide (holocaust?) and slavery boxes in my ancestry. It’s obvious in my phenotype, and I do think that it’s a factor in how people respond to me using it, TBH. But I could get even more leeway because if you talk to me/see my SM, it’s clear that I’m not pulling the my-ancestors-were-victims-of-X-card JUST when I’m trying to fit it in my vegan narrative/agenda. I still very much care and follow issues from the past to the present. It’s not me being strategic, it’s me being myself — and I think (hope) others can pick up on that authenticity. That being said, I think that there are ways to strategically talk about human and animal exploitation. But I think it’s best left to do in one-on-one convos, where someone knows what you’re about and you know what makes them tick. For example, an indirect way that I’ve advocated for veganism is by reminding people (who I know are into colonialism, native history, etc.) that we built entire civilizations on vegan foods, e.g. corn, squash, potatoes, beans, quinoa, etc. Yes, there was meat and stuff, but our ancestral staples and the cornerstones of many of our societies were vegan, so no it’s not just a hipster, white thing. (I know of at least one vegetarian book that explores “decolonizing our diet” and returning to our roots.) There’s also the whole thing of Hitler supposedly being inspired by the native experience in the States (e.g. reservations). See: “‘Hitler’s concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history,’ Toland wrote in his book, Adolf Hitler: The Definitive Biography. ‘He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America’s extermination—by starvation and uneven combat—of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity.’” By combining this with the assembly-line/slaughterhouse inspiration, then you could make a case that human and animal exploitation are related. (Again, I’m not claiming to be an expert on the topic.) Personally, I do believe that both exploitations are related, but I won’t lead with that in a public way. I’m sensitive because I know that there’s unresolved historical trauma and frustration that things haven’t drastically changed in 2016, especially when brown and black bodies are concerned. Our suffering — past and present — has received little acknowledgement and validation. Heck, people still celebrate our genocide and enslavement in the form of national holidays. So I can see how it could feel like a slap in the face to demand others to acknowledge animal suffering when they’re still grappling with their own. The path to true human healing will have to start with acknowledgement and validation (like the example Michael Moore uses in the “Where to Invade Next” documentary — 2 thumbs way up, I had no idea that the doc would take me on such an emotional roller coaster). Just like the Pity Olympics, most people aren’t going to respond well to the Oppression Olympics. It just turns them off, and, ultimately, that’s a disservice to the animals. The good news is that we can still open hearts without reopening unhealed wounds. Sometimes you just have to let the animals tell their own stories. I balled my eyes out when I saw the mama cows crying out and chasing their babies. I could never look at dairy the same way.

Genevieve Jackson

Thank you for speaking out against Gary Yourofsky.

Jul 10, 2016 at 10:50am

Vegans vs. the Wildlife Management Paradigm.

Check out the channel of “AmericanUnicorn”: https://www.youtube.com/c/plantbasedhippy/videos

Dana-Zoe Gest

I have been devoting my photography and art towards Urbam Open Space/Recovery and Wilidlife Advocacy since 2006 when i moved into a tidal Mill over the Chelsea River, an estuary that flows out to the Boston Harbor and Atlantic Ocean. The actual site over the Mill Creek: the tidal plains and waterways fall under the auspices of the Boston Harbor Authority since the River is still a working, commercial port for offloading oil and Natural Gas we buy from Venezuela to fuel the entire New England Nation. My work was documenting the daily appearance of birds, aqautic, wildlife and Flora changes since the Recovery of the Saltmarsh started in 1996. ( it takes about 20 years, on average to see real lasting change, so i am still documenti g this- most recently identifying about 30 of the wildflowers on the plains to understand how the early settlers depended on them. It is my hope tjat the area be reclaimed as a protected species and wildflower habitat with the Department of Conservation and Recreation. I was able to photograph repeatedly the Golden Plover, almost extinct, which is making a very slow return in Tidal Marshes and Beaches. I enter daily data with the Cornell Lab or Ornithology, along with photos of identified birds. Along the way a story happened where a juvenile mute swan held in captivity, i believe, was dumped at our Mill Cove, and i followed his story thru to Adulthood, mating and three years of cygnots. A local woman took to trying to manipulate the Swan into a pet, the Animal wildlife Agency could not legally remove the swan from the creek. While Swans are protected by the North Atlantic Flyway Act, they are not counted, banded or populations monitored be ause they are a naturalized species which many people dislike and often try to harm, chase off and even kill. They do not even fall under the ptorection of The Department of Wildlife Management or Natural Resources, and respective town’s Animal Control, although with no auspices over these birds, will remove them at will of they find it convenient. Some local Ring cities that have citizen Groups aurrounding open ponds and lakes and waterways protect the swans with City Resource Dollars. In the end, it came down to not one agency willing to assist when the Swan arrived injured and ill, or years later when the woman began moving their nest ono her property and exclusively feeding (more like overfeeding) the swans to keep them coming back, and feeding them on land. As awful as it is for all the wildlife being part of our Natural Resources to do with as they see fit, hunt, kill, relocate, disperse, exterminate, or protect, these birds, now proliferated all over the NorthAmerican Atlantic Flyway have no protections at all, and honestly, i do not know which is worse. There is no piblic education to warn people not to ffed them on land, to not feed them himan food, to not clip their wings to hold them hostage or shoot them to presrve a fishing ground. So i am still working on this project with the hopes that one day they will be absorbed into a government department that will fully help their populations.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in, Dana. I have nothing to say, except to note that I did read your entire narrative.

Dana-Zoe Gest

+Eisel Mazard thanks for reading my story – I apologize for the lack of spell-check..

Jul 10, 2016 at 6:27am

Durianrider is Innocent (Not a Joke, Not Trolling)

Human rights: either everyone has them, or nobody has them. Procedural justice needs to apply to the worst people in your society, not merely the best and the brightest.

Marion Poliquin

It’s a reality of life that when you’re in a conflict with someone, you can’t always predict who’s going to have your back. This can have fortunate and unfortunate consequences. The “unfortunate” consequences are that we have little to no ability to monitor and effectively rein in what is being said in our support or even in our name, and you’ll often have people coming in who were only watching for an opportunity to pile on and hurt “the other side” – which is just the kind of behaviour that started the whole mess in the first place. Often your biggest detractors will be people who were “on your side” or pretending to be and whom you had to ask to calm down.

Joe Vaillancourt

“and you’ll often have people coming in who were only watching for an opportunity to pile on and hurt “the other side” – which is just the kind of behaviour that started the whole mess in the first place. ” Holy Moley, this! Check out Durianrider’s tumblr (ask durianrider), it’s full of people pestering him to weigh in on something, and sometimes I think the submitters are asking him things in bad faith (questions worded in a manipulative way to elicit a reaction) and Harley is too dumb to see it.

Liz

Well apparently he literally is innocent here. The guy who started the rumor came out and debunked himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvFpBBCJyWo . What a tasteless joke though, especially given the context… it’s nice to hear that DR didn’t do the deed with Julia (didn’t believe it for a minute tbh, not necessarily because of him, but she doesn’t seem like the kind of 16 year old who’s sexually active, and I don’t mean that in regards to her weight at all!), but it still speaks volumes about some of the people present (and welcome!) at the festival that they think rumors like these are in any way appropriate. Not only is it an insult to actual victims of child abuse (like… Vegan Ava’s boyfriend??), I also genuinely feel bad for Julia since she doesn’t seem to be the kind of person who’s happy to have to deal with this kind of story.

Virginia Robards

Why… why would someone do this? I am pretty ok with tasteless jokes when genuinely funny, but I fail to see the humor in this. Just seems gross and cringey in a bad way.

Jul 10, 2016 at 3:18am

Suffering and Sympathy: Learning from Others.

“Who do you think you are, don’t you know who I think I am?” This is, partly, a response to comments made here within Patreon (as described).

Devon McAllister

I have a great example for this. Suppose there once was a young lady (we will call her little Devon) …. when she was 16 she had an abusive bf …. we’re talkin hours of abuse…. This experience traumatized her well into her 20s and colored all her experiences. Little Devon thought this experience to be the worst she would ever experience and judged other girls who complained about their cheating/mean/dismissive boyfriends. If you take a snap shot at that point in time, Little Devon was in misery and constant fear. Fast forward to Lady Devon experiencing her first of many many crippling panic episodes (panic attacks occuring in succession for up to 2 weeks) …. Obviously panic (for those of us who have experienced it) is much more painful and scary than being bashed around by a loved one. However, I would never go back in time to tell Little Devon that she is a baby and hasn’t seen anything yet. That pain is her own and although the physical abuse doesn’t seem like much to Lady Devon …. Little Devon thought her world was crashing at the time.

ModVegan

So true. (And yes to the panic, too! I think anyone who’s experienced life pre- and post- panic attacks would agree with you!). Interestingly, panic is the main reason people seek medical help for mental health issues – you could be living on the brink of suicide for years, but once you experience panic, the experience is so acute that it will be the thing that drives you to get help. I love Andrew Solomon’s description of panic in Noonday Demon. If any of you out there haven’t seen it, his TED talk on depression is the best discussion on the topic I’ve ever seen. It should be required watching

Gosia

This was very interesting, thanks for sharing. I cannot resist to tell you that I may be such person you never met. I had a similar, in some ways, experience. I grew up in Poland, escaped communism as a refuge with few belongings in Greece, then ended up in Australia as a single mum with a little boy and a couple of suitcases. I sufferred and struggled a lot, but I also learned and matured a lot. I would not belittle someone else’s experience. There is no competition here. Sufferring has taught me to be more empathetic towards others. Also, I tend to have this scientific perspective and accept the fact that humans differ a lot in how they think, which makes it very diffcult to understand one another. So I tend to give others some slack.

Jul 9, 2016 at 10:28am

Life isn’t fair, save the planet anyway.

a.k.a. “When the revolution comes, YOU AND YOUR C-MINUS BODY CAN G.T.F.O.”

Rosa Löfman

Hi eisel, I was wondering if you’ve ever read the works of Lierre Keith, an ex vegan. I’m currently reading “the vegetarian myth” and it sounds like it makes sense, but I’m not really smart or educated enough to tell wether it actually makes sense. Are you aware of her arguments against veganism? What do you think of them?

Virginia Robards

Rosa, I have read Lierre Keith’s book. Her work reflects a complete lack of scientific literacy and is full of bizarre logical fallacies. It’s been a while since I read it, but I can’t think of a single major claim she made that had any serious merit. It would take a very long time to address the whole thing in full. Is there something specific that you found compelling?

Virginia Robards

Well, it’s hard to evaluate the claims as rigorously as one would like, bc I don’t have the book and I can’t easily look at her primary sources. As I recall though, she did not exactly conduct a serious review of the scholarly literature lol First of all, I don’t understand her argument that sustainable agriculture depends upon slaughtering domesticated livestock. She does a remarkably poor job supporting that position, and I can think of several examples that directly contradict it. And the idea that vast numbers of grass-fed cattle somehow doesn’t “damage the planet” in discernible ways is obviously spurious. I can see little reason to believe that such livestock would contribute significantly less to climate change – especially if you were to exponentially increase their numbers. Pasture-fed ruminants emit just as much greenhouse gas and consume at least as much water. She also places too much emphasis on the environmental toll of mass transportation of food, when production is a far more serious concern. Another thing she does is seriously misrepresent the actual food production capacity of farms like Polyface, relative to how much land they take up. The math doesn’t add up at all when you try to scale it up to the American population. Which is no doubt why she also advocates dramatic reductions in population. How she hopes to achieve this goal in the relative near future is not clear. Some sort of totalitarian government? Zombie apocalypse? Soylent Green, as @Noggy Goggy suggests? Cutting out meat and dairy is something that almost anybody in the industrialized world can do RIGHT NOW. You don’t have to wait for the world to change. In general: When you’re wondering about the credibility of specific claims being made, I would recommend to look at their primary sources. Where people get their information to build their case – and what evidence they choose to omit – is really really important.

Jul 9, 2016 at 5:14am

Vegans can be idiots, too. Activism is fake, stupidity is real.

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

I have to admit that if Ava actually thinks she can be this IG model, or ANY sort of model, she’s going to have to step up her booty game. Maybe lift some heavy weights. She could get my B-minus body and hey, if she was dedicated, maybe she could surpass that. LOL Sorry the rating system here is cracking me up. She really looks like someone who is unhealthy. She’s not the image the both Harley and Freelee project of what vegans “look” like. They’d never let her lead because she’s not the perfect bodily image like Freelee. But let’s be honest, she can’t lead and vegans, REALLY don’t need a leader… LOL. Also, am I the only one who was shocked to learn that she’s that young? I thought she was older than me.

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

Additionally, I just want to point out the hypocrisy here. Apparently it’s okay for Vegan Lass to call Vegan Ava brainless, but it’s not cool for Eisel to call VegAnn “too stupid”. Just because you love VegAnn and don’t like Vegan Ava? If you care about “hurting peoples feelings” then you’d be upset about Vegan Lass’ words to Ava. That being said, I’m not upset about what Eisel said, or what Vegan Lass said…. because I’m not 5.

Anna Vegana

I criticized Veganlass for that as well. And, honestly, do you really want to compare Vegan Ava and Vegann? They don’t have that much in common, do they?

Jul 9, 2016 at 1:42am

[Other voices:] The “drop out of school” problem.

This is just two minutes long. Implicitly, the point is here, SHE DROPPED OUT OF UNIVERSITY AND MOVED TO THAILAND (where I find it difficult to imagine she could ever get a legitimate job). I have actually never received any criticism for the advice I have given to teenagers (and university students) myself… my own advice may be terrible (I’m open to considering that possibility!)… but, yes, I do regard the advice given by other vegans as astoundingly terrible (short-term and long-term).

This is just two minutes long. Implicitly, the point is here, SHE DROPPED OUT OF UNIVERSITY AND MOVED TO THAILAND (where I find it difficult to imagine she could ever get a legitimate job). I have actually never received any criticism for the advice I have given to teenagers (and university students) myself… my own advice may be terrible (I’m open to considering that possibility!)… but, yes, I do regard the advice given by other vegans as astoundingly terrible (short-term and long-term).

Gosia

H & FL have a long history of total disdain for education and science. FL openly expressed such feeling towards ‘intellectuals” on her 30bad forum, she despised me (a scientist wit a PhD), and desipsed my writings (e.g. “Harley and Freelee use science”). They have this urge to mould others into an image of themselves. Uneducated, unable to think critically, ill informed, narrow minded.

Eisel Mazard

They seem to sincerely believe that they’re living the happiest possible life, and they want to induce others to live the same “lifestyle”… it is a delusion familiar to me from some ancient philosophies (including some aspects of ancient Buddhism). Among other problems with this model is simply the refusal to admit how narrow a spectrum of society *could* live such a life (even if they wanted to), and how small a minority would feel happy if they did so, etc.

Laura

It irritated me when she talked about her former life, because I know that part of Germany. It blows my mind to see it represented as this dangerous place full of crime. I mean of course every place has it’s problems but I know the city she is from… and I’m just wondering what she is comparing it to? Just seems bizzare to me. Probably a really minor aspect to get upset about (obviously DR’s advice is horrible) , but it stuck out to me.

Eisel Mazard

They’re simply ignorant of crime in Thailand: if you don’t talk to local people (and don’t even read the newspapers, etc.), how would you have any idea what level of risk is “normal” in your neighborhood? I was in a charming neighborhood in downtown Vientiane that had a remarkable body-count (e.g., a shoot-out at the gold-shop, etc.), but you’d never know about any of the deaths/dangers if you didn’t ask people (in the local language, or via a translator, etc.). One thing I can say with absolute certainty is that RIDING A BICYCLE in Chiang Mai is vastly more dangerous than street-level exposure to violent crime. All the same, you are very likely to be robbed (to have goods stolen) during your Thai vacation (your camera stolen, etc.), and only an idiot would suggest a paucity of petty crime of that kind. Based entirely on anecdotal evidence, I must say, the criminal drugging of women at nightclubs is probably a bigger problem in Thailand than anywhere else in the world, and white women are indeed targeted (I knew someone this happened to, and read articles from the perspective of hospitals dealing with these cases), etc. etc. Really, the whole thing isn’t worth responding to, it just reflects (again) the fact that people who choose to keep their eyes closed can’t see social problems –not even problems that may pose a direct threat to themselves.

Jul 7, 2016 at 10:20pm

Your Dog Hates You: “Service Animals” and Airplane Pillows.

Shout out to Jae Costly, find his channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdV8ScPyJfgPL9mNxnCGgRw/videos

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Alexa

I think the inability to recognize or acknowledge the moral contradictions of pet ownership is a further symptom of vegans who are primarily motivated to veganism as a way to indelibly “achieve” a status of moral superiority. Whether or not they’re conscious of that priority, vegans who are vegan to self-fellate their identity as an officially “good person” or use veganism as a shield against any question of personal immorality are vegans who’ll want to defend whatever they’re doing as above scrutiny/reproach. It’s a lot easier to use “vegan” as simply a label — “philosophy” or “practice” are more laborious — but like many labels (including “good person”), without ongoing examination and effort it’s essentially meaningless. No one’s going to force all pet owners to surrender their Vegan Club Card. But if you refuse to even THINK about the question, what’s your veganism for?

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, this is part of what I call “the Catholicizing tendency” in veganism. A large part of personal purity in Catholicism is in refusing to think about (certain) things –even the thought (of some things) makes you impure. And, of course, Catholicism is not entirely unique in this aspect, but the idea that you have a durable identity as someone who is “saved” (etc.) fits into these habits of thought in a dynamic way, along with the ritual shunning of those who are damned (or, worse, those who infiltrate the one true faith, etc.).

Louise J

I can’t believe that people quit your patreon, en masse, because you called UV’s stance on pet ownership stupid and beneath contempt. There are better reasons to quit than that. I disseminated her pet video and it was stupid. She said at one point: “Your refusal to participate [in the institution of pet ownership] will not tear down the institution of pet ownership or further any kind of liberationist cause” Yeah, isn’t what meat-eaters usually think about vegans?

Eisel Mazard

I can’t complain: I had about 100 people quit and 5 new people join when my position on pet-ownership became clear. Those 5 new people (whoever they may be) are worth more to me, and they joined knowing what my position was (on these ethical issues) –not despite them. U.V. said many, many things that were immoral, dishonest and stupid: the single example of her claim that dogs cannot possibly be aware that they are castrated serves to illustrate the problem as a whole, I.M.H.O.

Jul 7, 2016 at 12:38am

The Wrath of the White Pariah

This is a “two birds with one stone” video (and W.P. is a member of this forum, so the video can remain private if she disapproves, or I could produce a different version, etc.). This basically promotes Pariah’s channel (in the same way that I’ve lately promoted a bunch of nearly-unknown vegan channels, like Jerry V. Egan), and it also address the SUPPOSED ALLEGATIONS I made against the infamous JOE BEST. As you’ll see here, what I had to say to Joe was actually part-and-parcel of an analysis of the permanent vacation phenomenon, and it was advice that I gave him (not an allegation at all), etc. –but Joe himself continues to misrepresent this (and so does the fellow in the red t-shirt, etc., based on things Joe has said). So… what I actually had to say on the issue was less shocking and more interesting than you might expect… but (many months later) Joe is still trying to make a scandal out of this stuff (and even the guy in the red t-shirt falsely suggests that I’m just-as-bad as Durianrider, because of what I said about Joe… and, as you’ll see, that isn’t true at all).

This is a “two birds with one stone” video (and W.P. is a member of this forum, so the video can remain private if she disapproves, or I could produce a different version, etc.). This basically promotes Pariah’s channel (in the same way that I’ve lately promoted a bunch of nearly-unknown vegan channels, like Jerry V. Egan), and it also address the SUPPOSED ALLEGATIONS I made against the infamous JOE BEST. As you’ll see here, what I had to say to Joe was actually part-and-parcel of an analysis of the permanent vacation phenomenon, and it was advice that I gave him (not an allegation at all), etc. –but Joe himself continues to misrepresent this (and so does the fellow in the red t-shirt, etc., based on things Joe has said). So… what I actually had to say on the issue was less shocking and more interesting than you might expect… but (many months later) Joe is still trying to make a scandal out of this stuff (and even the guy in the red t-shirt falsely suggests that I’m just-as-bad as Durianrider, because of what I said about Joe… and, as you’ll see, that isn’t true at all).

Richard

The problem with RT4 is that it’s two founders abuse and bully people (both vegan and non-vegan) and use veganism as a shield to defend their behaviour. I think this should be the focus of any criticism about the RT4 movement rather than denigrating the wider RT4 crowd – most of which do not actively engage in abuse or bullying. I see nothing morally or technically wrong with lifestyle veganism or with people who are part of RT4 or the bike festival calling themselves a community. I would prefer they referred to themselves as “the RT4 community” or “our vegan community” and not “THE vegan community”, but I see no reason to further alienate these people or create more hostility and division by protesting the matter.

Liz

Agreed. We, as the “vegan community”, really need to really do away with calling people “fake vegans” if they disagree with us and hide behind “for the animals” when we do something morally questionable. The problem isn’t that everyone goes around calling out “fake” vegans and that we all do morally questionable things all the time, but that we let fellow vegans get away with that behavior.

The White Pariah

Anyone else have Patreon problems? It keeps asking me to pledge again, and then some videos disappear and then come back again when I refresh the page…

Eisel Mazard

Try “clear browser history”, or just loading it up in an entirely new browser. Patreon is not perfect. When there’s a problem, you need to clear browser history to force it to re-load data (in my experience).

Jul 6, 2016 at 3:20pm

[Podcast:] Talking to a mainstream journalist (about the scandal in Thailand)

Honestly, I think this interview will be much less interesting to my regular viewers than the interview I provided to the Vegan Cheetah on the same day. However, for your interest, here is the audio recording of an interview I provided to a mainstream (American) journalist. [35 minutes long.]

Honestly, I think this interview will be much less interesting to my regular viewers than the interview I provided to the Vegan Cheetah on the same day. However, for your interest, here is the audio recording of an interview I provided to a mainstream (American) journalist. [35 minutes long.]

Journalist, July 6, 2016, smaller file-size.mp3

Journalist, July 6, 2016, higher sound-quality.mp3

Melissa Renee

Aha, found it. Well she does say it’s going to be a profile of Freelee.

Eisel Mazard

But it wasn’t even a profile of Freelee! She didn’t even do that!!!!

Melissa Renee

Oops, Patreon is annoying with the “enter” = post thing. Well anyway I listened to the whole thing now, I think the most notable thing she said was: “What’s interesting to me is that there’s a lot of sort of ‘drama’ going on and a lot of cruelty going on in pursuit of this noble goal.” Also, you should like the sound of your own voice, I’ve listened to it for many hours so I’m biased, but I think you provided a ton of information for this interviewer off the cuff that she didn’t include in her article. She mostly just focused on the drama (like she said she was most interested in) probably to get more views to the site ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Eisel Mazard

It is a bit absurd when people try to “shame” you for “enjoying the sound of your own voice”… uh… if you don’t enjoy talking, don’t get into the broadcasting game… and broadcasting on Youtube really does involve talking (unless you’re gonna put together a mime channel on veganism?).

Jul 6, 2016 at 11:48am

One Hour Conversation with Cheetah via Younow

I’m going to try to “adapt” the conversation into a podcast, to upload it to Patreon directly (V.C. said he’d walk me through the technical details), but if you’re clever enough with Younow, you can (theoretically) find and play the video-tape now. (Full disclosure: I have never figured out how to play “old” content on Younow. Somehow the interface allows you to play past episodes, I am told, but I’ve never figured out how to “click your way through” to that.) The conversation is over an hour long, and, in my opinion, is both entertaining and substantive (it includes reflections on our personal lives, etc., not just vegan-activism, nor just youtube controversies).

I’m going to try to “adapt” the conversation into a podcast, to upload it to Patreon directly (V.C. said he’d walk me through the technical details), but if you’re clever enough with Younow, you can (theoretically) find and play the video-tape now. (Full disclosure: I have never figured out how to play “old” content on Younow. Somehow the interface allows you to play past episodes, I am told, but I’ve never figured out how to “click your way through” to that.) The conversation is over an hour long, and, in my opinion, is both entertaining and substantive (it includes reflections on our personal lives, etc., not just vegan-activism, nor just youtube controversies).

Eisel Mazard

https://www.younow.com/thevegancheetah –> Look for a “tab” (on the menu) that says “Replays”… he is wearing a blue shirt that reads “Nirvana” in the correct episode. (See comments from other users, below, who managed to play it.)

Marion Poliquin

When you say Melanie Joy is gone, do you mean relative to the expectations people had of her? Because she’s still very active.

Jul 6, 2016 at 4:48am

What I Eat in a Day #2: The Dark Side.

Joe Vaillancourt

Your rap game is on fleek.

Jessica

I was waiting for “on fleek” to show up here

ModVegan

Love the rap The grocery store is pretty swank! My daughter drags me to chinese grocery stores constantly (she goes to a mandarin school). It is honestly a bit tough as a vegan. Mostly because she is is so insensitive about the whole thing. Last week they were actually cutting up a a full grown pig with a saw blade in the back of the store. The sound was sickening. I guess it’s the ultimate “meet your meat” experience. Btw, I’d die without bread. I use 10 k a month to make bread alone (yeah, we’re pretty much on your bagel diet, except it’s bread I make). I can’t imagine not being able to find bread without animal products ;(

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Love the rap”. IT IS A VERY GOOD THING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU’RE ALREADY MARRIED.

Jul 6, 2016 at 2:45am

Vegann is no longer a member of this discussion forum.

Not really big news, but hey: Amy (the Vegan Transition) thinks it is big news, so this is here as a “placeholder” for you guys to discuss it if you want to.

Liz

Can someone give a tl;dr on what happened? So VegAnn was hem hawing with Joe Best and being all “idk you make some good points” about his videos on Eisel?

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, basically, Liz, Ann and I spoke directly (via Skype) while I was in Thailand, and patched up what had been (before then) a rocky/bad relationship. We agreed to ground-rules, I let her join this patreon, and it seemed like we were on a positive (friendly) basis. I discovered that she was continuing to “boost” (i.e. support) channels that are devoted to denouncing me (and this is something we specifically talked about via Skype, previously) –even when she knew that what they were saying could not possibly be true (from this Patreon, or from talking to me, etc.). Basically, I told her that I could possibly have a Skype session to “straighten her out” every two weeks, and that she was too stupid to play the game she was playing (i.e., “playing both sides”). So, we could have left it at that, but she made a 40 minute video denouncing me as a cult leader, so (as a result of her using my private e-mails to denounce me) it became an internet sensation for 5 minutes. The 5 minutes are now over.

Lauren Mackenzie

I’m constantly being asked about this situation. A million questions on my tumblr/email about it, and I’m not going to reply. Because I really don’t have the time to delve into everything, and like many of you on here, I find that things are very wearing. So I hope people don’t mind that I’ve not really said much about this issue as I’m really trying to focus on my recovery and things like this can and do big me down a bit.

Eisel Mazard

There’s no reason for you to have an opinion on it, Lauren. Everything I have to say about it is already stated in the “save the planet” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WoDz_aEML4

Jul 6, 2016 at 1:37am

[Other voices:] Jae Costly reflects on pets for disabled people, trained “service animals”, etc.

The first five minutes are a bit slow, but this is more substantive than 98% of what you see on youtube. This guy (Jae Costly) has experience working within zoos, and he provided an interview to “The Vegan Transition” on that topic in the past.

ModVegan

There was a really interesting article about anthropomorphism and how it affects our understanding of animal behaviour here: http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/commonly-misinterpreted-captive-animal-behaviors/. Basically, we misinterpret a lot of zoochosis to suit our own purposes. For example, just because your dog is happy you finally agreed to take it for a walk, does that mean you’re a great pet owner and your dog is living in bliss? I think there’s a hefty load of bias right there.

ModVegan

Btw, Eisel, have you thought about seeking a product placement deal for your little snowball mic? I am seeing them EVERYWHERE. You’ve started a movement A snowball mic movement

Jul 5, 2016 at 3:25am

Vegans, Gay Rights, and Riots. [Promo for ModVegan]

Jacob Schröck

(I know this comes in a little late and should have been posted under the podcast, but I wasn’t shure, if anyone would still see it over there) My two cents on commenting/community/political activism: I really enjoy your content and the contributions of (most) other people here, but did not really comment a lot so far, because I don’t really know how to express myself in English (sometimes not even in my native language) on these topics in a serious manner, which lead to the quite unsubstantial sarcastic comments, that I actually did post here. Although I doubt that I will have much to say here in the future, your videos and podcasts have inspired me – this morning – to finally get more active on a political level. That being said I don’t exactly know how to go about it yet. So far the only „action“ I have done is paticipating in some public protests (for animal rights basically, not “vegan” protests), which went… ok I guess. It is nice to see that quite some people, from meat eaters to vegans, are willing to walk down the streets and shout silly catch-phrases, but at many points it really had this passive-aggressive attitude of some individuals leaving the crowd and going into shops that sell fur and leather, just to scream at customers or hold signs under their noses, when it should be totally obvious, that this kind of behavior doesn’t change anyones perspective. It also does not help to have members of the black block or drunken punks yell insults at the policemen, who are guiding the very protest through the streets. I also looked for some vegan community in my hometown Hamburg, but it seems, that the only existing group split up about a year ago since there were just a handful of people left and everything else I could find was more of a monthly vegan picnic. A coworker of mine, who studies politics and is actually a member of a political party, told me today that my best option would probably be to 1) start a petition with a clear goal if I want to change something on a municipal level or 2) find an existing ngo or association to support. If there are any German peeps with some experience in these political games I would really appreaciate some advice or some feedback on local vegan organisations. Has anyone ever worked with Vebu or with the Vegane Gesellschaft? I understand, that my questions might sound a little naive, but this is simpply due to the fact that I have zero experience in political activism. Peace, bitches

Eisel Mazard

Jacob, these are definitely issues I’ve talked about in the past, and they’re issues I will talk about again: several videos have “effective activism” in the title, and there are several videos with DxE in the title, etc. What you’re thinking about here is pretty close to my own set of “core interests” (or core concerns) in veganism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlDRJ8SPZjM

Devon McAllister

Is there anything about creating a district defined by philosophical beliefs that we should avoid? Does it bolster Us versus Them beliefs?

Jul 5, 2016 at 1:24am

Sex, Money, Fame, Cookbooks: Will Vegans “Save the Planet”?

Partly about veganism but also, in large part, just about my life: remember that when I’m talking about these other people on youtube, I’m not talking about “celebrity gossip”, I’m talking about real people I know –and people I’m trying to co-operate with in supposedly “saving the planet”.

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

HAHAHA, if you listen to my trolls, I’m apparently the WORST person.

Devon McAllister

Could you aid us by summarizing what your main points in the description? I would get so much more out of these if you provided your main points rather than me extract them from your sometimes verbose content. Much appreciated!

Eisel Mazard

Entirely cogent summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTOKJTRHMdw

Jul 4, 2016 at 3:24pm

[Other voices:] Vegan Gains is Against Pet Ownership. Here’s Why.

The first few minutes of this are slow, so I’ve provided a link that skips most of the preamble, but this is an earnest set of reflections from someone who came to conclusions comparable to my own FROM A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

The Truth of the Matter

I found this vid by an ex zoo keeper. I think he makes some really great points in it. https://youtu.be/kJMDCFoFcLU

The Truth of the Matter

@Eisel, I also see where he has some resemblance to you! From his style, mic, hair/no hair, poster in the background………….. Maybe it’s just me, I dunno!

Melissa Renee

It’s a bummer that they just got a dog…

Eisel Mazard

You’ve got a point there.

Jul 4, 2016 at 2:44pm

Tattoos, Lies & Lifestyle Activism.

Allaunira

I am reminded of a TV show, unfortunately the title isn’t coming to mind at the moment. There’s a character who isn’t very intelligent and he has a large tattoo across his chest reading, “NO RAGRETS”.

Jessica

Don’t shoot the messenger! Random ?: Do you have any tattoos?

Eisel Mazard

Yes, sadly, “don’t shoot the messenger” is salient here. I am currently tattoo-free (and several job-applications in Japan asked this question).

Jul 4, 2016 at 1:35am

[Other voices:] Kerry McCarpet tells the tale: a tale you’ve heard before.

I’m posting this here because some of the members of this group may enjoy discussing it, however, YOU MAY BE BORED OF HEARING THIS STORY, i.e., although Kerry has her own perspective, commentary, etc., please don’t force yourself to watch this if you feel you’ve heard it all before.

Nicole G

Her dry wit is fantastic. Great editing too. Definitely worth the watch.

Gosia

I must admit I feel overwhelmed (due to my busy schedule) with the volume of your posts though at the same I appreciate the other voices theme. By the way, would you be so kind and mention whose (and what) questions you are answering in your QandAs, in the written description, for convenience of locating them? Thank you in advance.

Eisel Mazard

The final part of the Q&A did have a “table of contents”, because I answered so many questions, but the earlier videos just answered two questions each, so I did not bother to provide this sort of information.

Jul 3, 2016 at 12:32pm

[Other voices:] Durianrider giving “advice” to teenagers.

Look, I’m gonna be honest with you: I spend a lot of time at my desk, studying Chinese. I can listen to stuff like this in the background. If you’re busy, download my podcasts, carry them around in an MP3 player, etc., and don’t waste your time watching this. However, truth be told, this is REALLY HILARIOUS in a low-key way. The link I’ve provided here jumps to his advice on sex and relationships… well, I’ll leave you guys to comment.

Look, I’m gonna be honest with you: I spend a lot of time at my desk, studying Chinese. I can listen to stuff like this in the background. If you’re busy, download my podcasts, carry them around in an MP3 player, etc., and don’t waste your time watching this. However, truth be told, this is REALLY HILARIOUS in a low-key way. The link I’ve provided here jumps to his advice on sex and relationships… well, I’ll leave you guys to comment.

Genevieve Jackson

I actually think DR might be right about Julia’s DNA. I am around lots of pros. She just needs a new coach.

MJB

The bizarre thing is that in some ways, Durianrider appears to have a legitimate place as a motivational speaker. In other ways, if taken at face value and interpreted as if everything he said were objectively accurate, he gives scientifically invalidated advice. He has a narrow view of the world, but I don’t think he’s bad at inspiring people. I think people can look past the tunnel-vision sort of advice though, if not for him blatantly falsely accusing people of things. Suggestive click-bait titles are one thing even, but the way he made absurdly false allegations against Eisel was both pathetic, and reprehensible. We can’t “save the planet” if we’re going to defame people who disagree with us.

Jul 3, 2016 at 12:15pm

On the very concept of “Abolitionism” (podcast excerpt)

In theory, you guys may have already heard this, because the whole audio-recording has already been shared within Patreon. However, this short excerpt was posted to my youtube channel, so some of you may want to comment on it here… and, of course, some of you might not have time to hear the whole podcast.

In theory, you guys may have already heard this, because the whole audio-recording has already been shared within Patreon. However, this short excerpt was posted to my youtube channel, so some of you may want to comment on it here… and, of course, some of you might not have time to hear the whole podcast.

Genevieve Jackson

As an off and on vegan for many years I sympathize with Amy. I am actually really grateful for YouTube. I can find vegans I relate to. I was always alone before. I still am in a sense. I could go to meetups, but most aren’t child friendly, but I am patient. My daughter will be older soon. In school etcetera.

ModVegan

Do it, Genevieve! Honestly I kind of just see YouTube (and by extension, this Patreon) as a meet up Where I live, every meet up is pretty much 7th Day Adventists, so if you aren’t of that persuasion, it’s a bit of a let down. The internet is pretty much the only place on earth to find people with the same obscure interests you have (I used to blog about Pre-Raphaelite Art – try finding other people in the real world that are interested in that stuff, lol!).

The Vegan Transition (Amy Brander)

I started organizing my own meet ups but that’s not everyone’s bag obviously and it’s harder in more rural areas. I think a lot of people will argue that the city I live in is actually a rural area LOL in comparison to American cities LOL. That being said, it’s a steady grow for people to come out but I HAVE actually met people here that I can work with and I’m shocked and amazed by it.

Jul 3, 2016 at 12:00pm

[Other voices:] Reducetarians are NOT QUITE the devil.

(1) Not a strong objection, but I think it may not be useful to refer to reducetarians as a movement: unlike the explicitly political message of my own channel, I really do not think that reducetarians would ever (similarly) compare themselves to the gay rights movement, nor would they present themselves as seeking to organize a community in pursuit of social change (etc. etc.). (2) I have doubts about the reports on China’s supposed meat-reduction plan: The Guardian utterly failed to substantiate the claim, and this really could be (yet another) case of sloppy reporting on Chinese social policy (I need to see a direct citation of what the “writ” of the policy says, if there even is a written policy in question here!). (3) No offense, but ModVegan is actually better-looking than Freelee. Okay, fine: be offended. I said it anyway.

(1) Not a strong objection, but I think it may not be useful to refer to reducetarians as a movement: unlike the explicitly political message of my own channel, I really do not think that reducetarians would ever (similarly) compare themselves to the gay rights movement, nor would they present themselves as seeking to organize a community in pursuit of social change (etc. etc.). (2) I have doubts about the reports on China’s supposed meat-reduction plan: The Guardian utterly failed to substantiate the claim, and this really could be (yet another) case of sloppy reporting on Chinese social policy (I need to see a direct citation of what the “writ” of the policy says, if there even is a written policy in question here!). (3) No offense, but ModVegan is actually better-looking than Freelee. Okay, fine: be offended. I said it anyway.

ModVegan

Sadly, they really were that drunk (aside from Millais and William Morris). And even that sorry state of affairs was an improvement over the 18th century and early 19th, when pretty much every wealthier Briton was plastered from dawn till dusk.

Jessica

I support them, too! But I feel my tolerance wane when I see “part-time vegetarian/vegan” propaganda -__- I feel “the vegan asshole” side emerge when I see that crap.

Jul 3, 2016 at 2:04am

[Podcast:] “Real Life” Update (& Swimming on the First Date)

Yes, this podcast includes the secret story of “swimming on the first date”, not previously revealed, but this also updates you on my professional and personal life in various ways.

Real Life Update, July, 2016, smaller file size.mp3

I_See_Stars

Try being a six foot Scottish woman, still – what doesn’t kill you I guess… I used to live in Glasgow before I defected to Edinburgh, and each is interestingly different from the other. Both are better than England though, regardless of their flaws Hello to the other PhD students, when you are able to raise your head above the parapet!

Melissa Renee

Here I am, creepin’ on old posts again. When I scrolled through to find the Gawker interview, I realized there were quite a few posts from before I joined Patreon that I’d like to hear. I made a list of ones I was interested in listening to so that I could check them out when I had spare time, so I listened to this one today on the job while I was making alterations to the office buildings’ directories. My best friend (someone I’ve recommended your channel to and wish was on this Patreon group!) showed me this channel today, one video in particular. Obviously I’m making this connection because I happened to listen to both on the same day, and the statement has stuck with me all day, but there were echoes of your statement: “Changes in what you know result in changes in how you feel” in it: https://youtu.be/evbyTkZ2k8M And I feel like you may like this video. Maybe not, but based on this she seems to have a vegan YouTube channel that’s not beneath contempt… Less vaguely related is the fact that as I was scrolling through her channel, there are videos about Durianrider and Freelee as recently as 3 months ago. I haven’t watched them yet though.

Eisel Mazard

Nothing creepy about it, Melissa. I do know “Kerry McCarpet” (and she knows me), and I invited her record a podcast/conversation with me months ago (when she made her statement in support of me, vs. Durianrider).

Jul 2, 2016 at 1:18pm

[Other voices:] “Durian” isn’t just the name of a rider…

I stood next to Jake, translated Thai, and bargained for this Durian. He happily carried it home in a plastic bag (after we ate dinner together, in a restaurant in Chiang Mai), with the sharp spikes poking through the plastic. I could hardly imagine what happened next. Admittedly, this will not be as hilarious for all of you as it is for me… but, as forewarned, this Patreon channel is about my life, not just about veganism (and not just about politics).

I stood next to Jake, translated Thai, and bargained for this Durian. He happily carried it home in a plastic bag (after we ate dinner together, in a restaurant in Chiang Mai), with the sharp spikes poking through the plastic. I could hardly imagine what happened next. Admittedly, this will not be as hilarious for all of you as it is for me… but, as forewarned, this Patreon channel is about my life, not just about veganism (and not just about politics).

Marion Poliquin

I quite enjoy durian. But it is so rich and fatty that I can’t eat much more than one pod’s worth at a time.

Eisel Mazard

It has always been strange to me that advocates of an ultra low-fat would endorse such a high-fat food.

Jessica

I think that Jake just scarred me for life How comparable is durian to papaya in smell and taste? Because I can’t stomach the smell of papaya, but I can eat it after it’s been in the fridge.

Jul 2, 2016 at 11:16am

The Vegan Violence Problem (D.R., G.Y. & Me)

I told you I had a lot to upload today.

Nicole G

How does Gary have any relationships in life? He’s like a raging child, who only knows to threaten people who disagree with him. Does anyone know if he’s ever actually been violent? Because my second thought is his big talk is just macho posturing and major over-compensating for a guy who otherwise feels powerless. (Sorry, a little armchair psychology.) I also think career Youtubers are in this fantasy world where they can spout this unfiltered venom, because they have no boss and no accountability. The rest of us would be fired for public behavior like this.

Jacqueline Cohen

That’s probably why they’ve turned to youtube, they can’t hold a job, while on youtube this is an asset.

Renee Sanborn

i hate to admit this, but i was largely inspired to go completely vegan by Gary Yourofsky, not fully understanding what he was all about. First i started off with his speech, which was fine since it is an introduction into veganism and he explains himself civilly enough, but then in the coming weeks, i got curious and looked up other stuff he had done. I remember feeling really weird about the way he frantically talked about killing people. Then, there is some video out there, where he is talk