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Aug 24 at 3:18pm

[Part 2:] Casey Taft (author) responds to my book-review.

And here’s part two.

You know, there are advantages and disadvantages to having a PhD. There are also advantages and disadvantages to NOT having a PhD (living without one). I think that people within the “mutual praise matrix” of the PhD system tend to forget that the rest of us really do have a right and a responsibility to be honest about these things: when something’s laugh-out-loud awful, we can (and should) laugh out loud about it. However, that review (that many of you may not remember) did not misrepresent the source in any way: it quoted the book correctly, I backed up and explained my points (e.g., I did not merely complain that it was poorly written, but I really reflected at length about the way in which it was poorly written, and how this relates to my past experience as an editor of academic non-fiction, etc.).

And here’s part two.

You know, there are advantages and disadvantages to having a PhD. There are also advantages and disadvantages to NOT having a PhD (living without one). I think that people within the “mutual praise matrix” of the PhD system tend to forget that the rest of us really do have a right and a responsibility to be honest about these things: when something’s laugh-out-loud awful, we can (and should) laugh out loud about it. However, that review (that many of you may not remember) did not misrepresent the source in any way: it quoted the book correctly, I backed up and explained my points (e.g., I did not merely complain that it was poorly written, but I really reflected at length about the way in which it was poorly written, and how this relates to my past experience as an editor of academic non-fiction, etc.).

Stan

+1 for sincerity.

Aug 24 at 2:58pm

[Part 1:] Casey Taft (author) responds to my book-review.

I wouldn’t blame you if you’d completely forgotten about the book-review by now, but here it was, and here it is:

Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59ckXsUcgI

I wouldn’t blame you if you’d completely forgotten about the book-review by now, but here it was, and here it is:

Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59ckXsUcgI

Aug 24 at 1:39pm

This Big Beef Exposes The Ugly Underbelly of Vegan Vlogging | Backchannel

When

Anna Scanlon logged onto the video streaming site YouNow last

Halloween, her stomach sank. Vegan Cheetah, a popular vlogger within the

online vegan community, had uploaded a four-hour video in which he

accused Scanlon of flashing him her genitals against his consent and

propositioning sex via Skype.

WIRED

Wired Magazine Covers the Vegan Cheetah Lawsuit.

Hey, the most legit coverage my case (vs. Durianrider) has gotten (in the English language) was via Gawker media (shortly before the corporation declared bankruptcy) —but apparently Scanlon-vs.-Cheetah has made its way into the pages of Wired magazine.

In Canada, I can say that Wired is a genuinely famous magazine —however, fewer and fewer people read magazines.

Hey, the most legit coverage my case (vs. Durianrider) has gotten (in the English language) was via Gawker media (shortly before the corporation declared bankruptcy) —but apparently Scanlon-vs.-Cheetah has made its way into the pages of Wired magazine.

In Canada, I can say that Wired is a genuinely famous magazine —however, fewer and fewer people read magazines.

Augusto Guerrero

yea but i’m sure it’s still very popular as the website, hopefully cheetah gets what he deserves

Eisel Mazard

It is plausible that Younow canceled its contract with Cheetah because of the negative coverage in Wired. We’ll see.

Aug 24 at 7:03am

Weeping on camera, for a change (vs. humane slaughter).

This is a short, strange video (and yeah, I break down weeping). The only reason it wasn’t published earlier was that I was too busy in Kunming: I basically uploaded it, and then forgot I’d uploaded it (so it remained unlisted). Honestly, this was not self-censorship: this is just an odd moment that got “lost” (until now). I guess I was busier learning Chinese (during that period of my life) than I thought I was.

This is a short, strange video (and yeah, I break down weeping). The only reason it wasn’t published earlier was that I was too busy in Kunming: I basically uploaded it, and then forgot I’d uploaded it (so it remained unlisted). Honestly, this was not self-censorship: this is just an odd moment that got “lost” (until now). I guess I was busier learning Chinese (during that period of my life) than I thought I was.

Aug 24 at 5:22am

[Question, me asking you:] In what video did I first say/discuss…

Here at the 8 min. 37 sec. mark, I allude to my own “dogmatic” view of veganism, and I allude to the fact that in just one other video I discuss this issue (of how I define veganism, and how my own definition of veganism is simpler than many other people’s, and allows quite a bit more “wiggle room”, e.g., for outright killing animals in the course of wildlife mangement, etc.).

However, I now cannot find that earlier video: I don’t remember its title (and I don’t think it is included in any playlist).

I’m looking for the video in part because it might be something I have to restate (and it might not be).

The principle of the thing here is that I explain my own “conservative” definition of veganism as the belief that (1) if I cease-to-purchase animal products, it will (in some small way) make the world a better place (in terms of ecology, my own health, animal-use, etc. etc.), and (2) if more and more people likewise cease-to-purchase animal products it will, likewise, make the world a better place (ecology, human-health, animal-use, etc.).

Yes, that’s a simple point, but it comes up under many strange headings (in dialogue with “advanced”/committed/long-term animal rights activists) as I speak with many people who really do use fundamentally different definitions of veganism/A.R. (e.g., I was just reading comments from people who view the movement as defined by the act of “rescue”, etc.).

So, yes, I’m trying to track down my own (past) video… maybe someone remembers the one I’m talking about?

Here at the 8 min. 37 sec. mark, I allude to my own “dogmatic” view of veganism, and I allude to the fact that in just one other video I discuss this issue (of how I define veganism, and how my own definition of veganism is simpler than many other people’s, and allows quite a bit more “wiggle room”, e.g., for outright killing animals in the course of wildlife mangement, etc.).

However, I now cannot find that earlier video: I don’t remember its title (and I don’t think it is included in any playlist).

I’m looking for the video in part because it might be something I have to restate (and it might not be).

The principle of the thing here is that I explain my own “conservative” definition of veganism as the belief that (1) if I cease-to-purchase animal products, it will (in some small way) make the world a better place (in terms of ecology, my own health, animal-use, etc. etc.), and (2) if more and more people likewise cease-to-purchase animal products it will, likewise, make the world a better place (ecology, human-health, animal-use, etc.).

Yes, that’s a simple point, but it comes up under many strange headings (in dialogue with “advanced”/committed/long-term animal rights activists) as I speak with many people who really do use fundamentally different definitions of veganism/A.R. (e.g., I was just reading comments from people who view the movement as defined by the act of “rescue”, etc.).

So, yes, I’m trying to track down my own (past) video… maybe someone remembers the one I’m talking about?

David Marsan

protest based diet springs to mind.

Theo Slade

Veganism is NOT a Social Justice Movement. https://youtu.be/b5O4xypPurs Published on Jan 19, 2017 0:00 Definition of Veganism 1:25 Social justice as theory 5:04 Anti-speciesism as impossible practice 9:42 Blind spots; wild animals 11:18 Incoherence as inference 16:00 Reading Casey Taft’s book “Motivational messages for vegan advocacy” Why do we have political theory in veganism at all? Isn’t veganism such a simple idea that any child can understand it? Isn’t vegan such a simple idea that it doesn’t need volumes and volumes of academic discourse on the political philosophy of how to influence the movement? You know, political theory can get you into trouble, but it also helps get you out of trouble, it helps avoid problems before they even start. I might take a very simple, very humble, very consumer centred definition of veganism as the most practical way to talk about veganism, especially to outsiders in most circumstances, something like this: The central idea of veganism is if you refuse to buy animal products you’re making the world a better place, if we can convince more and more people to refuse to buy animal products then collectively, on mass, we are making the world a better place. Of course you can get into details about in what way we’re making the world a better place, in terms of ecology, or use of resources like water or in terms of reducing animal suffering etc. Etc. We can expand on this almost infinitely, but that’s a very simple and very limited idea, it’s very easy for people to understand and it is implementable, it’s very clear how you would put this into practice in your own life. Now by contrast right now, right now in 2017, I would say the dominant idea of veganism in the academic discourse, in terms of the political theory of veganism is to approach it from a WILDLY different perspective. Is to approach veganism as follows, there are people who say the fundamental problem with modern Western civilization is speciesism, you must understand speciesism as a form of oppression, therefore veganism is a social justice issue and speciesism as they use the concept entails that to treat an animal as less than a person, to treat an animal something other than a non-human person is discrimination parallel to treating black people as inferior to white people or Mongolian people as inferior to Chinese people. This is an argument that relies on the inherent equality in some sense of animals and people. and that is claiming that any one fails to recognize and respect that equality is a bigot, is equivalent to a racist, they are a speciesist. Now I do not think the concept of speciesism is completely worthless, I actually think in some context, in some conversations, it’s meaningful and useful, one that’s come up on this channel is when you’re challenging people; why do you think that a pig should be treated so differently from a dog? Why do you think that a bear should be treated so differently from a dog? When we’re challenging I think divisions we have, cultural distinctions we have between different classes of animals, I think it can be useful to talk about speciesism and really to talk about the kind of cultural ideologies that we attach to humanity, to the status of particular species, why is it the people assume you know fish don’t matter and cats do, in some contexts it can be meaningful. But by approaching veganism in this way, as a matter of fact, we’re creating many insoluble problems for ourselves, Gary Francieone likewise, he starts from the speciesist perspective and then he tries to push very hard on a false dichotomy that the whole world is only separated into persons and inanimate things – objects, persons and objects, therefore we must recognize that animals are non-human persons and therefore we must give animals a set of rights, not quite equal to human rights, but and all kinds of absurdities ensue from this. Including really a very thin-skinned and hysterical attitude towards anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and if you’ve been in veganism for a long time, you may have gotten out of touch with the fact that for ninety-nine percent of humanity the very concept of speciesism is laughable, it’s ridiculous, it’s hilarious, it’s insane, it’s actually laugh out loud funny, for a meat eater, for someone who’s not familiar with the discourse, to hear a vegan claiming that because they regard a rat or a cockroach or a pigeon as inferior to a human being, they are in effect racist, they are speciesist against those animals, okay? And the reality is vegans can preach this, they can make this the center of their ethical and political practice, but vegans do not actually practice it, we do not actually believe in it, the vast majority of people living watching this video right now, the vast majority of people watching are living in a major city, even if you are vegan I challenge you to take the time to talk to your apartment building manager about the reality of pest control where you live. When I was living in Victoria BC Canada, I was living in an apartment that had hollow walls, very common, it’s an apartment building, but the walls are hollow, there’s a little layer of wood and this artificial facing material, it’s a perfect home for rats and cockroaches to live in the walls, when you have hollow walls like that. In Canada any animals that can move into the building, will move in, rats, cockroaches, bedbugs. Currently I’m living in a solid concrete building, very different situation, I remember thinking I was just lucky and that it was just a matter of time before that building had rats cockroaches and bedbugs infesting it. And actually when I moved out, my last couple of days there, you know when you move out of an apartment you have to meet up with the building manager a few times, we were discussing these things and he mentioned to me they had a pest control expert coming in every week, they had someone setting traps for mice and rats, spraying chemicals, not just chemicals to kill insects but to detect if you’ve got an infestation, you know to detect the presence of cockroaches and bedbugs and that kind of thing, they were paying a regular fee to have a professional company of exterminators come in like clockwork on a regular basis and that’s why I never saw any of those animals. The reality is my rent money is going to kill animals like rats, the reality is every time you buy bread you are paying money for that wheat farmer to kill rats, in Canada rats and groundhogs, many, many other animals. In practice we do not believe in equal rights for all animals, we do not believe in this particular paradigm of speciesism and none of us could live by this definition, by this political theory if we wanted to, when I lived in Taiwan, yes pious vegan that I am, I personally can try to avoid killing cockroaches. Taiwan I have been told has the world’s greatest climate for cockroaches, cockroaches really flourished there. When a particular cockroach comes into my house I can take the time to take a porcelain cup and trap the cockroach and put it outside with the cup, I can do that, yes and I can pat myself on the back and say that I’m morally superior to someone else who doesn’t take that time. Guess what when I was in Taiwan, every single day I benefited from the fact that the city government, the local government was going out and putting poison in the storm drains, to see this poison was remarkable, I think it had dry ice as part of that, it was crackling and emitting fumes they would put really serious pesticides in the storm drains all over the city, you know the government is actively spraying and killing cockroaches all the time, so that my house is not overrun with cockroaches, so the whole neighborhood is not over overrun, and as a vegan I’m benefiting from that, okay bed bugs are the ultimate example, there’s no way to negotiate, if you are vegan and you lived in an apartment building with a bedbug infestation, I’d love to see you live up to this principle. Okay it matters, why would you embrace a political theory, a political philosophy that first of all makes vegan sound ridiculous to outsiders, there’s no advantage in that, second of all makes vegans appear to be hypocrites, to their fault vegans, gives us a set of principles we can’t live by and thirdly creates more problems than it solves, ultimately what is philosophy? To me philosophy is a problem-solving method and then over time with the discipline of philosophy, of collecting together and studying examining those problem-solving methods, learning from the contrast and comparison between problems on the methods, ultimately there’s no point having political philosophy at all if it’s not going to solve some problem. And I do see tremendous unbelievable blind spots in this approach, this speciesism first approach, where the first principle is anti-speciesism and then we approach mechanism. Wild bears in the forest are not property, wild bears are not going to be liberated by this switch in focus from regarding animals as property, to regarding animals as in some sense equal, it’s irrelevant, this approach really you can see it’s based on the status of domesticated house pets like dogs and cats. Saying dogs and cats, you’ll be elevated to have these other rights and it neither applies in a coherent way to the status of animals in the wild, nor to animals that we regard as vermin like rats. So on the level of rhetoric, it seems to me you’re making tremendous sacrifices as a vegan by embracing this model and what do you get, what is the benefit of this model, the benefit clearly is the use of this term social justice, I’ve heard Francieone say this, I’ve seen other books, other authors playing this game lately. For some reason, some vegans, including Francione, are very much afraid of anyone who does not regard veganism as a social justice movement, whatever that means, it’s a painfully vague phrase, if you don’t regard it as a matter of social justice, then you’ll merely be a reducitarian, you’ll merely try to reduce, meliorate the situation with the slaughterhouse industry, you won’t try to abolish it absolutely. Now I really don’t know, to me that’s an illogical and incoherent leap of inference. I also think, I mean I’ve been recently reading this book, probably the future I’ll have more discussion of this book and I’ll invite other youtubers to come on and maybe discuss it with me, the same way with ModVegan, before with a great discussion of Gary Francione, on his latest book, there’s a new book; “Motivational methods for vegan advocacy” by Casey Taft PhD, so interesting book, like most of the stuff, somewhat floored, 2016 book, you know contribution to the literature on veganism in theory and in practice, as a social movement, how to convert new people to veganism, when I look at passages in this book that lean so heavily on this word ‘social justice,’ I often question, I question myself and I sort of question the author, why not write what you really mean? I look at a sentence that just throws in this term ‘social justice’ as an adjective, you know what do you gain by saying animal agriculture is a social justice issue, I think what you really mean is, animal agriculture is an injustice that our whole society ought to care about, that’s really the meaning of this sentence, but social justice itself has become a very strange abstract catchphrase and it’s very strange for me to see people on the one hand saying, really arguing at length that veganism must be a social justice movement, again Francione does that, Casey Taft does this etc. If it’s not a social justice movement then we’re going to disintegrate into merely being vegetarians or reducitarians, to me that’s completely illogical, and then also the idea that we must form veganism in the image of a social justice movement. We basically have to imitate a preconceived ideal, a preconceived bunch of assumptions about how social justice movements work because veganism is supposed to be social justice movement, this is the ultimate self-defeating political philosophy, right? Why? I mean, look comparisons are odious, okay an allegory can easily become a trap, yes we can speak allegorically about the ways in which veganism may resemble struggles for civil rights for African-Americans and history in the States, we can talk about that, it’s an allegory okay. But we can also talk about the ways in which veganism is similar to efforts to get labeling on cigarette packages, health reforms, legal reforms, related to trying to abolish the rights we can talk about I love this example how well organized and successful Mothers Against Drunk Driving was you know movements look we can talk about the seatbelt reforms we can look at all kinds of examples of well organized highly successful social movements that were not necessarily social justice movements and we can learn from all of those comparisons and none of the comparisons is going to be perfect okay there’s no point don’t send me hate bail giving me a list of all the reasons why organizing vegans to advocate for veganism is fundamentally different from organizing people to try to prevent drunk driving try to change your culture of alcoholism it is different in some ways but do you want to make a list of how different veganism is from the abolition of slavery in the American Civil War do you think there’s going to be a vegan Civil War all right my main criteria here I mentioned earlier how absurd and ridiculous the species is first approach is where species ism is the main item in your logical theoretical approach I have mentioned at the beginning that Outsiders regard that is ridiculous but I do not think that’s the most important criterion I think if you have a really well working philosophy if you’ve got a political theory that really works and you can put into practice that really solves problems for you then maybe it’s okay if Outsiders think it’s ridiculous because over time outsiders are going to see how it works in practice you’re going to prove the viability of that political theory for me fundamentally the problem with this kind of approach is that it is incoherent even within veganism it’s actually counterproductive and self-defeating I mean that very sincerely okay so I’m going to read a couple of passages here from a Casey Taft PhD motivational message for vegan advocacy I guess they can give a link below this video its any whales wants to read that book again I think in the next few weeks there’s going to be more discussion that of that book on my channel maybe I don’t like some other youtubers onto to talk about it okay um for quote page quote for every social justice movement that has led to great change those are the forefront were able to change the way that we see certain oppressed groups such as women people of color non straight people trans people and so on the same is needed for animal advocacy and a shift towards veganism get pause really so logically here on the level of political philosophy what is he doing he’s saying we must must treat social justice movements already a painfully vague you know category really he’s primarily talking with civil rights are african-american we must treat that as the template we must treat that as the pattern for veganism to imitate or to aspire to okay why it’s an incredibly weak argument there is an allegory there is a comparison we can make between animal rights and the evolution slope yes but it’s only one comparison other people make the comparison to the extermination of Jews by the Nazis in the Holocaust it’s a comparison I understand why people make that comparison often they’re interested in even the aesthetics of the gas chamber because gas chambers are now being used to kill chickens the aesthetics of the actual you know equipment used for this kind of mass slaughter it’s a comparison it’s evocative do you think really there are lessons we can learn from World War two and how that Nazis were defeated that we’re going to apply to the slaughterhouse industry that we’re going to apply the McDonald’s no do you think do you actually think we’re going to fight a civil war to abolish speciesism in the same way that I mean do you think is going to be a civil war against McDonald’s there are so many obvious ways in which we should have the maturity just say yeah you know what this is one comparison this is one interesting question to ask but only one comparison of the many there’s no way that this should be a mold for veganism to pour itself into ok and again on a psychological level you can say to somebody you can say to somebody look humanity had to learn that when you regard a black person you should basically regard them in the same way you regard a white person there were there are differences between black people white people but you know what they’re kind of trivial you have to set them aside and relate to this black person as your equal or the you ask to relation in the same way you would relate to a white person basically that’s that’s that’s a psychological aspect of racial equality right ok so we all understand that it’s worth how were you gonna apply that to a rat how are you going to put it to a cockroach how are you gonna play that to a bear and a forest and why are we even fucking asking the question of that money I I realize there are people who have been inside the movement and inside the academic discourse for so long that they don’t see why that’s problematic or counterproductive okay but but taking the earth starting from the position you have to look into the eyes of a bear in the forest and see him as your equal if you have to overcome your speciesist a version that is bear or this rat or this these bedbugs that are infesting you’re out really you really think that’s the most effective way to approach even within the being really um the same is needed for animal advocacy says and a shift toward veganism we will never be able to shift the paradigm for animals if we continue to go along with the oppressive notion that we can epically do harm to animals in moderation okay well my approach is completely different Casey Casey has to be out there um I think that just like war and peace ultimately the way humans relate to animals relies on lines being drawn on a map I think that ultimately human beings draw lines in a map and they say inside this area inside this zone we are going to preserve the forest and we are going to preserve bears living in the wild in their natural habitat and humans are not even allowed to feed the Bears is we are not allowed to domesticate the Bears we’re not allowed to have them in a circus performing for us we’re not allowed to even give them food because that leads to dependency etc okay but you know what if the berries cross the line and that happens it’s completely inevitable that some of the Bears are gonna smell human garbage or just out of curiosity we’re not going to have perfect barriers once in a while bears leave the forest and break into somebody’s basement happens all the time in Canada they forced their way through the windows and end up in somebody’s basement okay and you know what human beings are going to shoot the Bears dead it would be better if they can use a tranquilizer gun we better if you can just tranquilize the bear and return the force that would be better okay but Casey I actually do not believe that bears have equal rights to human beings I have sympathy for everyone involved if I had to shoot a bear in my own basement in Canada I’m sure I’d be traumatized and horrified or if I call the cops and the cops show up and shoot the bear it’s awful I’m not celebrating it okay I’m not celebrating it as a sport but if you start from this perspective that all animals should be treated as know human persons with the same rights as people because you’re hung up on this bullshit social justice paradigm because you’re hung up on this species you start on because you approach this as if the problem with Western civilization is the riddle of the difference between objects and persons that only persons have rights you created a political theory that is worse than having no political theory at all okay you’re not solving problems with this theory you’re only creating problems this is really self-defeating and destructive for the movement and I know you can’t see it that way that’s why I’m making this video I know I know you’re only trying to help I know you’re only trying to make the world a better place these are fundamental assumptions built into your book and build into many many people right now in the abolitionist side of veganism even this is built into the so-called citizenship side abolitionists and citizenship approach we need to think about this from a different angle okay to examine whether we are treating animal use as a social justice issue all we need to do is to hypothetically place an oppressed human group in the place of non-human animals okay cause really I come I understand where is going this most you already know where this really can we really ask ourselves this bear do we treat this bear the same way we would treat an oppressed human being whether the bear is in the forest or that there has come into the city and it’s starting to cause trouble for people do we treat rats the same way as an impressively do retreat bedbugs and cockroaches no we don’t we’re never going to okay not in the city not in our homes not on the farms where we raise fruit and vegetables and wheat all of those forms of farming kill animals and not just insects I remember a video maybe two years ago where durianrider more than durianrider was just reflecting on how much he would love to own and operate his own farm we really just determining mature fruit farm I remember him using with this is back when during writer felt he had a lot of money to burn I don’t know if he still feels that way and I remember watch the video thinking during writer do you have any idea what kind of work is involved in running a farm and this is specifically his fantasy with a fruit farm in Thailand okay in Thailand on a fruit farm you don’t just kill rats you don’t just kill go first I don’t think I have go first you kill pigs you kill monkeys okay you take a fuckin rifle and you shoot monkeys they come on to the farm to take the fruit I live in the real world I do not live in an imaginary playpen where we can pretend that in any of these interactions we treat animals equal to human beings we don’t and we’re never going to my approach is the wildlife management approach I want to draw lines on a map and say over there bears live and die on their own terms yes with some intervention from humans you know if a plague breaks out if the Bears are all going extinct for sure there’s some level Park Park wardens are like this for a national park if there’s some disease that breaks out some level of veterinary care there are some kinds of intervention to prevent overpopulation or you know species extinction within Park sure there are some role for humans overseeing wildlife in a national park in a in a zone fenced off to before the wilderness but that’s about it folks I neither see animals as our equals and our partners with in this society NORs are equals in any of these in these contexts and I’ll play something my model works because my model sells more problems than it causes I got an email a few days ago asking me about yes implies technology that’s about questions now coming in a boat managing deer population and so on great questions I got a question a few days ago asking me about backyard chickens and this is somebody who approached veganism from instead this not not my perspective I guess from the common perspective and this person really sincerely felt that my approach the wildlife management approach fails to address whether or not it’s okay to eat eggs from chickens raised in your backyard in a coop but it’s the world’s most comfortable chicken coop all this bullshit this animal welfare is approach bullshit right and I was able to write back and say look you obviously haven’t watched even one of my videos on what the wildlife management approach to veganism is and why argue it okay not only do I think it’s immoral for you to eat the chickens eggs that are raised in your backyard I not only don’t think it’s immoral for you to raise them in captivity of any time I think it’s immoral for you to feed the chickens my philosophy can be summed up with a sign we’ve all seen please do not feed the Bears I do not want animals several relationship of dependency on human beings at all I reject domestication of animals entirely okay the Bears in the forest should try to feed themselves and when they can’t feed themselves they should starve that’s the life of a bear in the wild period dogs should not be our pets we should not pretend to dogs are our friends dog should exist only in the wild where they can feed themselves or starve and guess what folks it’s literally a dog-eat-dog world if you know anything about our dogs exist in the wild dogs do kill and eat other dogs right and there’s a line of the map and I don’t think the bears have the right to come in and live in the city I don’t think the bears have the right to come in and eat the garbage out of your garbage can obviously it’s dangerous and the practical reality is do you know any philosophy of veganism but even addresses the question of how do we raise fruits or how do we farm wheat if we actually believe in this bullshit that we should treat the rats and the Gophers as having right equal to human rights it’s a pretty obvious flaw gay people on the level of political theory this is not a tiny or subtle problem in this approach okay my approach again is simple and obvious you draw lines in a map in one area animals have all the rights in the world the forest the National Park whatever you say and in their other area whether it’s the city or a farm basically we have a different set of right two different set of principles and we would never treat human beings that way we would never draw lines in a map and say okay over there is the First Nations reserve where native Canadians or Native Americans live and as long as they stay on that reserve they have human rights but if they cross the line and come into white society then all of a sudden it’s different we would never do that human beings in Canada we have a terrible history of doing exactly that human beings right so there are some comparisons so but I don’t think we can think our way out of this problem via speciesism or via this idea that we have to declare animals to be so-called non-human person it’s ridiculous and counterproductive okay I continue Casey tasked quoting quickie to test here right so I’ve already questioned us why is he framing this in terms of a social justice issue what does that phrasing win us why aren’t we instead making comparisons to the abolition of cigarettes step by step including new laws you also where you can smoke where you can’t new law pardon me new laws about how the cigarettes are packaged the labels limits on advertising cigarettes can you imagine so this is all bullshit that species of shit look what a breakthrough would be if we had a law making it illegal to pay money to advertise meat and dairy products there will be an epoch-making law many many Western countries have those laws against advertising cigarettes they restrict the right of companies to advertise tobacco or completely eliminated right where you can’t have billboards up advertising zeros because we know that there’ll be a huge huge advance if we said look eggs and bacon are scientifically proven to Terrell for help no more advertising to them make that illegal a huge huge advance huge huge win for veganism there’s nothing to do with this but it wouldn’t have anything to do with claiming pigs are non-human persons or that kind of legal reform right so there are comparisons to the cigarette smoking struggle which is a long term struggle the next years we’re not going to see tobacco disappear but you know it’s a real it’s a real political struggle regulating cigarettes out of existence step by step over the next years it’s a struggle that has meaningful comparisons to veganism Mothers Against Drunk Driving to mention a million times maybe the most successful civil society organization in his United States of America tremendous political influence and again Mothers Against Drunk Driving you think they were a joke they’re doing classroom instruction sessions in high schools across America thousands and thousands of thousands of high schools have a representative for Mothers Against Drunk Driving coming in and giving them a lecture vegans have anything like that you think it’s a bullshit comparison it’s not the Civil War the American Civil War is not the only meaningful comparison your guys and those are not social justice issues cigarette smoking not a social justice issue not a human rights issue drunk driving alcohol change the culture of alcohol drinking not a social justice issue non human rights issue and guys the biggest clients front of all here is just ecology itself okay ecology is not a social justice issue and on some level all of us know we wouldn’t even dispute veganism is an ecological issue and vice versa ranked ecology defined in terms of the water in terms of the air in terms of the forest in terms of habitat conservation in terms of the melting the polar ice caps none of those none of them are social justice issues so why take social justice as a straightjacket that veganism has to fit into it doesn’t make sense okay so you can see these not going to be too much more of this for example quote for example would we ever promote only a reduction in racism or a baby steps approach towards ending racism rather than demanding a complete end to racial racist practices would we encourage those who engage in domestic violence she merely reduce their physical violence towards their partners or would we demand that society refuses to not condone any intimate partner violence look guys to me this is complete bullshit written by someone who has no experience in the real world of political science or politics full stop period guess what tolerance does matter guess what most countries have made a transition lasting five hundred years about racism and if you want to have a society that right in locked up every white American who made a racist statement and put them in jail than American society were disintegrated right in reality America did go through baby steps I’m not I’m not going I’m not glorifying it but you know the American transition from slavery to racial equality even in the th century it was it was a long series of baby steps and there has to be tolerance on both sides there had to be tolerance for may be extreme you know black liberation group and there had to be tolerance to the fact that there were a lot of people’s mean old white grandparents making racist statements and we all had to live in a society together without having another Civil War without being in a constant state of Civil War because guess which side guess which side ultimately would have won if starting would be you know the uplifting of the oppressed and the week tolerance does matter even with an example like you know domestic partner violence as he says ok we have huge problems in Canada I’m sure this exists in the US or some statement us where the police on paper of a zero-tolerance policy towards wife beating or husband beating domestic partner violence you know we have this situation all the time a couple comes home from the bar they’re in their apartment they’re drunk and they’re yelling at each other and one of their neighbors called the cops when the cops show up they beat the crap out of both people that beat up the husband and wife they put the husband in in handcuffs and take him off to jail and it has huge negative impacts on the couple’s lives as soon as the wife is saying he never even beat me this is ridiculous they were just yelling at each other and the neighbors want to hear it I’ve heard lots of stories that mistake actually hate to tell you in practice in terms of actually policing and legislating how you handle something like domestic run over real life is not about making demands real life is not just about demanding equality and then assuming that demand will solve the problem real life is full of these terrible gray areas how do you actually manage the transition from an intensely racist society to a broadly speaking a gala tarian site how do you actually manage on a human level and in terms of legislation the protocol for what police should do when someone phones them because they can hear screaming to people screaming at each other in the next department okay this is actually laughable and I know people inside the movement don’t realize how laughable and ignorant this is okay with racism give you an example it was crucially important absolutely crucial board and basically every western country in the world to have racial equality laws when a bank considers an application for a loan it was in the Rue not-so-distant past mid s a black person could not buy a house or could not get money loan to them to build their own house in the same way of life person good crucial crucial institutional change to try to bend of it but on the other hand in United States of America they never had laws that forced a Christian preacher in a white only church to stop saying racist things against black people they never deprive that person of their freedom of speech okay so it is complicated and he says you cannot possibly solve these problems through baby steps on the contrary he’s choosing examples of problems that are only sold two baby steps ultimate self defeating approach to veganism okay while individual advocates may not think of themselves as speciesist he continues Casey Taft they promote a species of paradigm when they convey acceptance of any non-human animal abuse that would never under any circumstances be considered acceptable if human animals were those experiencing the injustice okay so to me I guess that’s a good point to ramp up on its just observe it’s just absurd sometimes we shoot bears I mean sometimes we shoot people too if you really try to sit down and legislate what rights do bears have when they’re in the forest what rights do bears have when they cross the barrier and come into the city what rights do bears have when they come into a human home and over the basement there is no way you could start from or end with this standard that we can never treat bears we can never treat bears in a way we wouldn’t treat a person it would be an injustice to treat a person this way therefore you can’t treat a bear this way and bears are pretty easy folks what are you going to do with the rat what do you can do with the cockroaches what are you going to do with millions of cows if just one factory farms shut down and decide to liberate all those cows what are you going to do with those cows domesticated cows does exist on a farm but they can’t survive in the wild what are you going to do with those cows it’s just one farm owner turns vegan and liberates his cows and donate some donate thousands of cows to an animal shelter okay they’re all kinds of impossible to solve problems here and meanwhile in the midst of all this I think the majority of you vegans watching this video you have pet cats every day you’re paying money to kill a cow to put the cows flesh in a fucking metal can so you can feed it to your cat so would you do that with a human being would you buy human meat to feed your cat it’s it’s not a workable or useful of political theory it’s just not so I come back to this look fundamentally veganism is a practice in search of a political theory veganism is a working method that lacks a political philosophy and that is much much better than being in the situation of having a political philosophy that lacks any method we all know what to do with veganism we know how to take this method and put into practice and I think that’s because my first definition what if the start of this video is really the true and more useful definition at core at bottom the method or the the conceit of veganism is if everyone stopped peeing for animal products the world would be a better place would that solve all of our problems no but if everyone did what I do every day and just refuse to buy animal products the world would be a better place okay simple does that mean that rats will have equal rights to human beings no does that mean that we’re going to abolish wheat farming because wheat farming involves killing Gophers and rats and mice no does it mean that if a bear breaks into your house you have to treat it the same way you would a human no it doesn’t have any of those implications all right that’s just the core consumerist practice the method we all agree to as vegans and we could leave it at that.

Eisel Mazard

Wow… thank you… you can see why I had trouble finding it (the title does not job my memory, as to the video containing this aspect, concerning the definition of veganism itself).

Aug 23 at 6:29pm

Vote now! [Dept. of Minor Ironies]

I admit, it was accidental that I created the poll to close after only 24 hours (so… vote now, or never)… however, yes, this poll was primarily intended to express my surprise/exasperation at the high level of intelligence in the comments below my most recent video (on rap music) in contrast to the discourse I’ve had with my fellow vegans (Cheetah and Durianrider included, etc.).

I admit, it was accidental that I created the poll to close after only 24 hours (so… vote now, or never)… however, yes, this poll was primarily intended to express my surprise/exasperation at the high level of intelligence in the comments below my most recent video (on rap music) in contrast to the discourse I’ve had with my fellow vegans (Cheetah and Durianrider included, etc.).

Aug 23 at 10:43am

Anthony Fantano is WRONG: “Black Ken” by Lil B (Album Review)

Footnote to history: the video was seen (and commented on) by Lil B himself (i.e., the rapper whose work is discussed in the video). He simply made the one-word comment, “Love” from his official youtube account.

Note to Patreon supporters: some of you may know hip-hop discussion forums (on Reddit or Facebooks) where you could post the link to this video: please do so. I am not connected to any such forums at the moment, and I’d like it if this video reached an audience outside of the regular, jaded vegans –i.e., I do think quite a few people who care about Lil B (etc.) would appreciate this video, and they won’t find it hidden away in the vegan department.

You’re telling me that Lil B gets 5/10 from the same critic who gave The Death Grips a 10/10? And for a genuinely innovative tape like “Black Ken”? This is in part a vindication of Lil B’s recent album and in part an examination of the problematic role of the rap critic in an era when downloading is instantaneous (and often free).

Oh, and I guess I’m gonna coin the pseudonym, “Based Cog” (#BasedCog) for this and some future videos (on rap music and, conceivably, in further criticism of Based Zeus).

Footnote to history: the video was seen (and commented on) by Lil B himself (i.e., the rapper whose work is discussed in the video). He simply made the one-word comment, “Love” from his official youtube account.

Note to Patreon supporters: some of you may know hip-hop discussion forums (on Reddit or Facebooks) where you could post the link to this video: please do so. I am not connected to any such forums at the moment, and I’d like it if this video reached an audience outside of the regular, jaded vegans –i.e., I do think quite a few people who care about Lil B (etc.) would appreciate this video, and they won’t find it hidden away in the vegan department.

You’re telling me that Lil B gets 5/10 from the same critic who gave The Death Grips a 10/10? And for a genuinely innovative tape like “Black Ken”? This is in part a vindication of Lil B’s recent album and in part an examination of the problematic role of the rap critic in an era when downloading is instantaneous (and often free).

Oh, and I guess I’m gonna coin the pseudonym, “Based Cog” (#BasedCog) for this and some future videos (on rap music and, conceivably, in further criticism of Based Zeus).

Tom Lewis

God, Eisel will you ever stop making videos, bullying people in vegan YouTube?? (I kid) I found it interesting what you said regarding music critique in a world where music is so easily accessible. The idea of relying on a (personally) respected reviewer to direct how to spend your money has less value in a world of cheap, free and often pirated music. However, I still really see value in the general music criticism. I like how you talk about the value you hold in a track, rather the the way in which an album is composed together. I’m not big in the hip hop/rap scene and have always held a lot of value of an album having structure, theme and concept. The idea of deleting a track, even if i dislike it, feels wrong. I’m also a big fan of “The” Death Grips Will be checking out Lil B mixtape turning my lab work tomorrow!

Eisel Mazard

Hey, now I feel like I’ve got to warn you: there are probably 10 to 15 tracks on the album that you’ll hate.

Dorney

I haven’t got around to listening to it but I think I will after this. I would call myself, at least at the moment, a “dilettante” music critic. I agree that “grades” are pretty much superfluous now with so much being hurtled at us. I always find myself regrading records when I return to them as well. I think long-form reviews are ridiculous, i.e. the Pitchforks and so on, making something immortal out of an art form that is futile 99% present of the time. Sometimes Fantano’s reviews are too technical, i.e. he doesn’t delve into the “meaning” of a record enough for me and talks a lot about “instrumentation” and “beats” which I try to avoid as much as I can when I’m reviewing records. Though a lot of art forms are futile in terms of “real-world” meaning, music has changed my life and placed me on a completely different path, even if it is “just” an entertainment medium. It pushed me towards veganism, writing, and reading more. For that I’m grateful and I also feel I need to thank it more by critically-analysing and listening to it as much as I can. That’s why I review records, anyway, at least in an amateur status.

Eisel Mazard

I found it a bit absurd that Fantano described both the music and lyrical style as “objectively” bad on the album. For example, he’s completely contemptuous of the instrumental intro (opening track). I really have to ask, “compared to what?” Compared to any major, mainstream rapper, that instrumental is really creative, well-executed, musically-interesting, and sets up track 2. I just don’t see how Fantano dismisses it to that extent, as if it were objectively a poorly-played keyboard (again… compared to anything else in hip-hop???). His comments on the lyrical delivery, again, just don’t hold up: he makes the comparison to Tupac, whereas both the off-kilter delivery and some of the sound effects (echoey scratching noises) are VERY DIRECTLY mimicking Scholly D (whose work has not aged well: it now does indeed sound “poorly rapped” by today’s standards). Anyway, blah blah blah.

Eisel Mazard

Footnote to history: the video was seen (and commented on) by Lil B himself (i.e., the rapper whose work is discussed in the video). He simply made the one-word comment, “Love” from his official youtube account.

Genevieve Jackson

Ha. This reviewer likes, and has made a few videos on some of my favorite records by Future of The Left so this will be interesting. I’m impressed he is a vegan.

Aug 22 at 8:11pm

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Five hundred U.S. dollars. Not Australian dollars. Five hundred U.S. dollars for one month of “unlimited” advice by email. But I warn you: this man uses a very strange definition of “unlimited” in his diet advice (“unlimited calories”)… so you may get less than you’d bargained for.

Five hundred U.S. dollars. Not Australian dollars. Five hundred U.S. dollars for one month of “unlimited” advice by email. But I warn you: this man uses a very strange definition of “unlimited” in his diet advice (“unlimited calories”)… so you may get less than you’d bargained for.

Aug 22 at 7:55pm

[Other voices:] “This trial was based on incendiary devices…”

Long-time viewers will know that I’m against violence in veganism (both in principle and in practice) and I make some effort to draw attention to “slippery slope” excuses for violent protest within the vegan movement.

Here’s a very down-to-earth discussion from Roger Yates of how his former movement’s involvement with “incendiary devices” led to him getting a 4 year jail sentence.

To some extent, he takes responsibility for what was wrong with his former movement (and the violent means it employed)… and to some extent he doesn’t.

His current mode of activism is simply “tabling”, BTW.

Long-time viewers will know that I’m against violence in veganism (both in principle and in practice) and I make some effort to draw attention to “slippery slope” excuses for violent protest within the vegan movement.

Here’s a very down-to-earth discussion from Roger Yates of how his former movement’s involvement with “incendiary devices” led to him getting a 4 year jail sentence.

To some extent, he takes responsibility for what was wrong with his former movement (and the violent means it employed)… and to some extent he doesn’t.

His current mode of activism is simply “tabling”, BTW.

Aug 22 at 9:28am

[Podcast version:] On Reading Philosophy, How & Why.mp3

On_Reading_Philosophy_How__Why.mp3

Yep, here’s the MP3 version, for the sophisticated cynic on the move.

ModVegan

I really enjoyed this one. As someone who spent far too much time studying philosophy, I have a rather dim view of certain philosophers (I’m actually thinking about making a video about Fear & Trembling, which puts Kant’s CPR to shame in terms of wasting space on apologetics). Interesting to hear you describe Herodotus and Thucydides as philosophers (I suppose, if pressed, I see them as philosophical historians – but I’d say the same of Hegel). I need to think it out a little more myself, but I believe many people read philosophy (and religion) for the sociological, political, and psychological content. At least I do. And perhaps that’s why I don’t mind less-than-stellar philosophers. 2d

Eisel Mazard

In what sense is Martin Heidegger’s essay on “Language” a work of philosophy? It is, IMHO, much less philosophical than Thucydides: it simply sits on that shelf, because that’s where it will sell. There’s nothing philosophical about it –because there’s nothing problem-solving about it. Thucydides doesn’t just talk about history: he talks about methodology, epistemology (how-do-we-know) and problem-solving methods –thus, he contains more philosophy than many philosophers.

Aug 22 at 9:19am

On Reading Philosophy: How & Why?

Yep, it’s another installment in the longest-running playlist on the channel: “ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR!!!”

(That series began before the channel even had playlists, TBH.)

I believe this is now Episode 11.

Aug 22 at 8:03am

[Podcast version:] The Vegan Identity: “Ghosts” of Public Perception.

The_Vegan_Identity_Ghosts_of_Public_Perception.mp3

10 minutes? Who’s got 10 minutes to sit and watch a video on youtube… when you could be listening to the same content while scouring dishes, under the disapproving stare of your loved-ones. MP3 attached.

David Marsan

I agree with your normcore approach to being visibly vegan as outlined in your Rules For Radicals response. Lose the weirdness and adversary mind set. Lose the terror-types. At the same time, what indicates an appropriate time and way to express vegan ethics? Without alienating people. Without implicating it in foreign religious beliefs or roleplaying as a sort of young person from 50 years back. A little press release does the body good.3d

Eisel Mazard

You raise two different topics I could make new videos about: the “normcore” issue I’ve never discussed (although I do appreciate your interp. of the Rules for Radicals video as indirectly having this meaning –indeed, it does) whereas issue #2 I definitely have discussed before (hey, we’re over 700 videos now) but I could/should discuss again. Check the “Vegan Mind Tricks” playlist for prior, direct answers to your second issue/question: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7o-xDppIDvXLZziqoNILs5m

Aug 22 at 8:00am

The Vegan Identity: “Ghosts” of Public Perception.

Aug 20 at 12:34pm

We baked a strawberry cake (me + gf + 4 year old daughter).

THE PYREX CAKE-DISH (on the right) WAS PROVIDED BY A PATREON SUPPORTER JUST LIKE YOU… AND SHE’S NEVER GOING TO GET IT BACK!! HAHA AHAHAHA HA HA HA!*

* [She brought over hummus in this container, and we re-purposed it.]

We made a chocolate cake first (together with my daughter). The strawberry cake was largely improvised.

THE PYREX CAKE-DISH (on the right) WAS PROVIDED BY A PATREON SUPPORTER JUST LIKE YOU… AND SHE’S NEVER GOING TO GET IT BACK!! HAHA AHAHAHA HA HA HA!*

* [She brought over hummus in this container, and we re-purposed it.]

We made a chocolate cake first (together with my daughter). The strawberry cake was largely improvised.

Aug 20 at 12:06pm

[Follow up:] There are OTHER FACTORS in S.B.’s anti-depressant use…

This is, as indicated, a follow-up video: the meaning of the word “depression” is itself contestable, and it turns out that Cammy (Supreme Banana) had OTHER reasons for “depression and anxiety” –and OTHER reasons to be in therapy.

Long story short: she had an ex-boyfriend extort her into having sex with him (on camera) after the break-up, through the contrivance of a false internet persona (demanding such a video).

This is, as indicated, a follow-up video: the meaning of the word “depression” is itself contestable, and it turns out that Cammy (Supreme Banana) had OTHER reasons for “depression and anxiety” –and OTHER reasons to be in therapy.

Long story short: she had an ex-boyfriend extort her into having sex with him (on camera) after the break-up, through the contrivance of a false internet persona (demanding such a video).

Nick Knowles

this fucker is pure evil wow

Aug 19 at 5:38pm

New Album from Lil B (I may well manage an album review / discussion)

I have A LOT to talk about within vegan politics these days (and I don’t know how many days I’ve got until I’m back to work here in Dehong)… however, this is a new album from Lil B with a strikingly different creative direction from anything he did before.

David Marsan

Lil b is vegan politics. Poster-man for the reducitarian angle. Berkeley local as well.

Aug 14 at 4:09pm

Met with just one Patreon supporter in France (the other two got pregnant!)

While we were in France (and we still are until the 16th, BTW) we met with just one Patreon supporter (whom I’ll treat as anonymous here, for no particular reason).

We talked for over an hour before she mentioned that she just gave birth to her second child two months ago (!). I know (from direct experience) how difficult it is to do anything just two months after the birth of a new child –so I was surprised she made the time/effort to come and meet us while we were here.

She was the same person mentioned (very briefly) in the conversation with the New York vegan as planning for activism circa 20 years into the future –a situation I can sympathize with. Doubtless, this is partly because her duties with her two kids will keep her busy for at least the next 15 years.

Meanwhile, we were planning to meet two other Patreon supporters (one male, one female) but they canceled because they got each-other pregnant (so to speak). Don’t get me wrong, that’s a great reason for a cancelation, but, also, somewhat amusing/surprising. Presumably I’ll meet up with them, also, in 15 to 20 years.

While we were in France (and we still are until the 16th, BTW) we met with just one Patreon supporter (whom I’ll treat as anonymous here, for no particular reason).

We talked for over an hour before she mentioned that she just gave birth to her second child two months ago (!). I know (from direct experience) how difficult it is to do anything just two months after the birth of a new child –so I was surprised she made the time/effort to come and meet us while we were here.

She was the same person mentioned (very briefly) in the conversation with the New York vegan as planning for activism circa 20 years into the future –a situation I can sympathize with. Doubtless, this is partly because her duties with her two kids will keep her busy for at least the next 15 years.

Meanwhile, we were planning to meet two other Patreon supporters (one male, one female) but they canceled because they got each-other pregnant (so to speak). Don’t get me wrong, that’s a great reason for a cancelation, but, also, somewhat amusing/surprising. Presumably I’ll meet up with them, also, in 15 to 20 years.

Eisel Mazard

NO, THE VIDEO IS NOT RELATED TO THE TEXT: READ THE TEXT, THAT’S THE POINT OF THE POST… the video is only obliquely related via the topic/theme of pregnancy.

Eisel Mazard

But yeah, I know enough about post-WTC hip-hop to be shocked by the news in the video, too.

Maddalena

Hey, I took the time to meet you because I care not because I have nothing else to do I just wanted to point out that, to my eye, I am an activist. Maybe not by definition, but definitely feel like it. Yes I have no time to organise a vegan gathering, to run a vegan business, to participate in a street protest etc ( I actually got kicked out from the local street activist group because I could not commit to going to every single street protest they would organise) BUT every day for the past year and a half (since discovering your channel) I’ve being active on vegan groups/forums/networks to get people informed mainly about the importance of B12 supplementation. To me, B12 supplementation is VITAL to the future of veganism, I read about vegan people with B12 deficiency all the time and it’s SCARY. You won’t believe how many vegans still to this day do not wash their vegetables to get the « most natural » b12 from dirt (!!), or eat seaweed thinking it’s a reliable source, or do not take supplements because they think it’s toxic. I’m especially concerned about breastfeeding mothers not supplementing correctly and vegan/vegetarian children. B12 deficiency goes very fast in children and the consequences are very serious. I do not want vegans to fail at being vegan and I especially do not want to risk veganism being labeled as dangerous by the media or the general opinion. To me this is just as important as having an organized vegan mouvement and to do that, I took an online course in nutrition for 2 years and read hundreds of papers about B12. I’m also a decent cook and I give advice to people on how to cook vegan stables, how to make vegan cheese and vegan meat substitutes etc because there is this idea going around about veganism being expensive and I really don’t like that even if for me it’s much less important than B12. As for the workout routine, everyone should find the type of activism that works for them, that fits into their schedule.

Eisel Mazard

Well, the glass bowl (pyrex) that you gave us… you’re never going to get it back. We used it to bake a strawberry cake. I’ll send you a photo of the cake.

Aug 14 at 3:21pm

Conversation w a New York Vegan: Languages, Life & Activism.

Okay, it’s got a title now.

Eisel Mazard

Here’s the description I added below the Youtube version, BTW: ———- If you want to support the future of the channel (or just talk to me, and get a reply, etc.) you could sign up with Patreon (costs all of $1 per month), BTW. A significant percentage of my content consists of responses to questions (and links) sent to me via Patreon. The original idea was to create a basis for people to actually network and start doing “real activism” (at least as real as my children’s book, etc., maybe as real as lobbying parliament, etc.) –but the “long term” nature of such aspirations is discussed (and lamented) toward the end of this selfsame video (above). https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel

Aug 13 at 12:42pm

Workout/Weight-lifting: Vegan Parent & Teacher & Student.

This is “Version 0.9a” —I should make another video with actual footage of the push-ups and hill-climbing involved.

ModVegan

When are we getting the book? “Always Prepared: Eisel Mazard’s Definitive Guide to Fitness Anywhere: Prisons, Airports and other Confined Spaces.”

Eisel Mazard

It’s titled, “my autobiography”.

Aug 12 at 1:09am

Need more content? 30 min. as-yet-untitled video (DIALOGUE!).

Here’s a dialogue with an anonymous new yorker (you’ll learn a fair bit about him in this discussion, although he remains anonymous).

This will EVENTUALLY be shared on Youtube (I should probably come up with both a title and a table-of-contents, etc.).

For the record: as the video opens, I’m eating PEACHES (chopped up by the girlfriend).

Here’s a dialogue with an anonymous new yorker (you’ll learn a fair bit about him in this discussion, although he remains anonymous).

This will EVENTUALLY be shared on Youtube (I should probably come up with both a title and a table-of-contents, etc.).

For the record: as the video opens, I’m eating PEACHES (chopped up by the girlfriend).

David Marsan

How bout Talking Tongues for the title? Or at least the first section. Then maybe Hell’s Kitchen 86 the meat.

Aug 11 at 10:16pm

Racism: Where Do You Draw the Line? Why Draw the Line?

Hm… I have a bunch of videos on this issue (racism within veganism, etc.) but no playlist for it… yet.

Unusually (for my channel) this is circa 5 minutes long.

Emmet Larrissy

Myself and Modvegan had a discussion with VeganRev last week. He takes the view that he is being very open minded, when what he is saying is clearly deeply racist.

Eisel Mazard

Henh????? Was this discussion “on the public record”, or private?

Emmet Larrissy

Since you started making videos tackling racism, it has really taken a strong hold on the internet. I find many videos using a set of biased IQ tests to justify racism. I could only find one video explaining how the IQ tests had been deliberately manipulated to give a false perspective. I also see people becoming increasingly radicalized and neo-nazi ideas being normalized and sanitized on youtube. Charles is the kind of person who will along with any stupid idea that happens to be fashionable at the moment.

Eisel Mazard

I’d be interested to see the one video in question (on I.Q. test misrepresentation). In my own experience, I.Q. tests tend to fail to measure what I’m really interested in (whereas I conceded that they have some use for measuring lower strata of intelligence, e.g., is someone mentally capable (or incapable) of driving a car, after a brain injury or aneurysm, etc. –this type of low-level testing (for competence) can be extremely legally significant, but in many other provinces the test does not seem to show the type of differences I’m interested in (at higher levels of function/reasoning/capability).

Marion Poliquin

About that short video you made about that grown-up holocaust denier guy: what is the source of the clips of the young woman in white praying to the gods of social media from?

Eisel Mazard

“She” is an art-house-pop-music-project called “Poppy”, easier to google if you search for “ThatPoppy”. https://www.youtube.com/user/thatPoppyTV

ModVegan

Well said. It’s absolutely terrifying how popular white supremacists are on YouTube. Is it okay to call anyone racist anymore? I try to tell myself that it’s just social media and not the general population, but when I make a polite, suitable for anyone over the age of 7 video where I argue white supremacists are on the wrong side of history and YouTube demonetizes it…I wonder.

Aug 11 at 8:01am

Based Zeus is WRONG (about sex / dating / everything)

AND NOW, FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT…

Marion Poliquin

Can you elaborate on your opinion the people who make and market video games are doing something productive, but the people who consume said video games are wasting their time? You often mention video games in general as being a waste of time, but do you make allowances in there for some video games sometimes not being a waste of time? I mean that in the sense that all people need some outlet for escapism to recharge and that not all video games are equal. Do you find that video games are something enjoyable that you choose to set aside because you consider them unproductive, or do you just dislike video games in general? What part does that play in your opinion of video games in general? I ask this as someone who habitually alternates between small periods of heavy video games use and long periods of not touching video games.

Eisel Mazard

This is (long story short) now on my list of “things to do”. (Reply sent from Bangkok, BTW.)6d

ModVegan

Not to point out the obvious, but some people aren’t interested in meaningful relationships, or meaningful interests, for that matter. And isn’t that precisely this guy’s audience? But now at least I know who to blame for all the annoying kids in the gym telling me about their favourite video games. HOWEVER, if we’re being completely real, I’d rather have some kid annoying me with unfiltered enthusiasm than grown men pestering me to death about my perceived interests (this is one reason I don’t go to the gym unless it’s too cold or dark to be outside). At least with the former I might get an interesting tip about what kids are into these days.

Eisel Mazard

It’s a surprise to myself that I have so much to say on this topic, but I really do: I can imagine making 5 or 10 videos along these lines.

Aug 10 at 6:38pm

Accusations of Insanity Within Veganism (NorVegan, Durianrider, NPD)

This one is a bit slow-paced, but worth hearing for the opening anecdote about Sri Lanka (2nd half may not be as interesting to regular viewers, IMHO).

David Marsan

0:00 seemingly senile cenobite 4:45 mah daughter 6:35 insanity 13:50 teetotal talk + tying it all together

Eisel Mazard

I think I’ve legit never seen the word “cenobite” in use before: Buddhists tend to prefer “eremite” & “eremitic”.

David Marsan

Could you expound on the monk’s life? I have just done some in depth research on searching the Sri Lanka during the second world war Wikipedia page. He flee to India or stay behind?

Eisel Mazard

Actually sounds like a good idea for a video (i.e., the monk’s life, in general) –for a LONG TIME, this was a real “career option” for me. I don’t think my gf would be cool with me becoming a monk at this point, but still…

Aug 9 at 11:08pm

Vegan Youtube is Dead.

Yeah, it’s a lot more meaningful than just the title might suggest, IMO, but this is Patreon: you can tell me I’m wrong.

Dynamic Eye Studios

Have you seen Whitman Edmiston’s vegan content on facebook and how it’s going viral? He also has a YouTube channel that hardly has any views… https://www.facebook.com/WhitmanEdmiston/videos/446293905736237/

Eisel Mazard

I’ve seen it now.

Aug 5 at 10:35pm

[Self-Parody:] Happiness, obduracy and the meaning of life.

Aug 5 at 10:24pm

Happiness, obduracy and the meaning of life.

Yep, the meaning of life in UNDER 15 MINUTES.

Seth Meyers

Hey man look at you! Weeks of uninterrupted (surmise) time w your daughter. I’ve been following you long enough to know how big a deal this is and at least something of what it took to get here. Plus you’re there w someone you love. . Damn son things have improved a lot in your life. So good that you recognize it! Lots of people don’t. I think it’s also worth reflecting on how absolutely sure you are that you wouldn’t get things to this state this quickly you had all sorts of ideas about which way the French legal system is going to take you and absolutely you were justified in a bit of pessimism but wow things work out better than expected quicker than expected so for me I’d take away something of this experience the next time things look super dark anyway wow so happy for you definitely a little optimism to my day!

Eisel Mazard

You’re correct about the short-term situation: it’s astoundingly wonderful. However, there are long-term problems: legally, I’m still not divorced (I JUST PROVED THAT I’M ALIVE (not dead), etc.) and I’m still looking at a bleak array of education-and-career options, etc. etc. —but yeah, short term, wonderful situation. And while my job in Dehong (as a university teacher, etc.) is peculiar, it is a real job, and I have a real home, as well as a real girlfriend and (now) a real relationship with my daughter.

Theo Slade

Forgot to say really powerful stuff, my go to person expressing well in a really simplified form the existential meaning one can find in life was Cori Wong on movement in choices and responsibility – https://youtu.be/CIxY17D123o?t=7m6s – but can’t beat your video for authenticity in bringing to bare your gritty bare bones experience

Aug 4 at 9:25pm

Stop treating vegan restaurant owners like infants.

QUOTE

You think you’re helping veganism by giving a positive review to this restaurant either (1) just because it’s vegan, or (2) because you’re friends with the owners? GROW UP. The future of the vegan movement is not going to be OVER-PRICED, TERRIBLE FOOD. If I took my mom to eat here, what would her impression of veganism be? Terrible. Meanwhile, I’m a dedicated (ethical) vegan, just trying to get a decent meal (at a decent price) AND THIS AIN’T IT. Just looking at the food and looking at the price-tag, I wanted to laugh. No, this would not even be impressive if your brother made it for a picnic: relative to the standards of REAL CUISINE, this is a bad joke. Grow up, vegans: maybe some of these positive reviews are really “fake” (maybe owners of restaurants trying to promote themselves, etc.) –but I suspect some of them are “sincere but misguided”. I’m a busy parent: this was a crushing disappointment that I didn’t need. The owners asked me if the food was good (at the end). I didn’t lie to them. It was terrible. Not “so-so”, it was TERRIBLE.

CLOSE QUOTE

QUOTE

You think you’re helping veganism by giving a positive review to this restaurant either (1) just because it’s vegan, or (2) because you’re friends with the owners? GROW UP. The future of the vegan movement is not going to be OVER-PRICED, TERRIBLE FOOD. If I took my mom to eat here, what would her impression of veganism be? Terrible. Meanwhile, I’m a dedicated (ethical) vegan, just trying to get a decent meal (at a decent price) AND THIS AIN’T IT. Just looking at the food and looking at the price-tag, I wanted to laugh. No, this would not even be impressive if your brother made it for a picnic: relative to the standards of REAL CUISINE, this is a bad joke. Grow up, vegans: maybe some of these positive reviews are really “fake” (maybe owners of restaurants trying to promote themselves, etc.) –but I suspect some of them are “sincere but misguided”. I’m a busy parent: this was a crushing disappointment that I didn’t need. The owners asked me if the food was good (at the end). I didn’t lie to them. It was terrible. Not “so-so”, it was TERRIBLE.

CLOSE QUOTE

Genevieve Jackson

I so relate! Although many vegans near me seem to have low standards. The wax poetic about horrible places.

James Newman

I agree entirely. Vegan places should know that some/all their food is crap. I’m hoping to begin my own bakery (with a focus on mostly French pastries); I graduate with a culinary degree/business admin minor two months ago. For example, Vegan croissants are pretty rare and I’ve been told mine are one of the best people have had. I don’t know if it’s cost or laziness but god the only other croissants I’d had in the city (Philadelphia) are horseshit. I kind of want to tell them it, too. I’m also not a fan of Organic Vegan places with shitty food. If you’re going to be organic, food should at least be worth the extra cost. Ok, my rant is over.

Eisel Mazard

Organic + gluten free are both excuses for overpriced, small-portion, lousy food.

Jul 30 at 11:14pm

Mutiny and “Elections” at Direct Action Everywhere.

20 minute discussion: a “reaction video” for the PDF already shared (as an attachment) within this Patreon group.

Jul 30 at 8:02pm

Mutiny at DxE?

The title of the document is “Steps to Healing Our Community”, but you don’t need an eyepatch and a saber to be part of a mutiny: and yes, this is an attempted mutiny, over at DxE.

If you don’t know what DxE is (or why I’m reporting on this news), check my playlist dedicated to the subject, here: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

If you already know what I’m talking about, click on the attachment to download the PDF, and see if you can read between the lines (if you know what I mean, and I think that you do).

The title of the document is “Steps to Healing Our Community”, but you don’t need an eyepatch and a saber to be part of a mutiny: and yes, this is an attempted mutiny, over at DxE.

If you don’t know what DxE is (or why I’m reporting on this news), check my playlist dedicated to the subject, here: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

If you already know what I’m talking about, click on the attachment to download the PDF, and see if you can read between the lines (if you know what I mean, and I think that you do).

Steps-to-Healing-Our-Community-DXE.pdf

Emmet Larrissy

It all looks a lot like a YouTube cult.

Jul 30 at 9:24am

Advice from an artist: don’t do it.

[This is an email from an artist who saw my recent videos on my career/education options.]

Here’s some unsolicited advice from an artist:

don’t do it. Hahahaha.

No, seriously: don’t do it.

It is a waste of your time, skillset and determination.

When has art ever changed anything? It might document the zeitgeist if you’re lucky but that’s about it.

It certainly means a lot more to the person making it and to a select few. If you haven’t already got an addiction to art making and have been obsessed with visual art your whole life, there is no point.

Every job has its good and bad bits. In art the ratio is way off.

I am about to start my MA Fine Art at _____ [a very prestigious university] (currently ranking no.1 world wide) and I am under no illusions. Full disclosure: my motivation is partly to see how far I can push my practice within the contemporary art discourse, partly stubbornness.

Most mature artists (with gallery representation) that I look up to still have to do various part time jobs to survive. It’s pretty grim.

I’m sure you have the philosophical background to construct decent concepts etc. but no matter how good the concept, anyone in the art world can spot a painter, who’s done some short courses instead of a/multiple degrees. It’s something about the laying of concepts, art history context, composition and techniques. And what you mentioned about selling to hotels doesn’t quite make sense because the vast majority of hotels couldn’t give a flying fuck about concepts.

On the other hand, I’d be interested to watch your channel turn into an artistic journey channel. Entertaining.

All the best,

_____

[This is an email from an artist who saw my recent videos on my career/education options.]

Here’s some unsolicited advice from an artist:

don’t do it. Hahahaha.

No, seriously: don’t do it.

It is a waste of your time, skillset and determination.

When has art ever changed anything? It might document the zeitgeist if you’re lucky but that’s about it.

It certainly means a lot more to the person making it and to a select few. If you haven’t already got an addiction to art making and have been obsessed with visual art your whole life, there is no point.

Every job has its good and bad bits. In art the ratio is way off.

I am about to start my MA Fine Art at _____ [a very prestigious university] (currently ranking no.1 world wide) and I am under no illusions. Full disclosure: my motivation is partly to see how far I can push my practice within the contemporary art discourse, partly stubbornness.

Most mature artists (with gallery representation) that I look up to still have to do various part time jobs to survive. It’s pretty grim.

I’m sure you have the philosophical background to construct decent concepts etc. but no matter how good the concept, anyone in the art world can spot a painter, who’s done some short courses instead of a/multiple degrees. It’s something about the laying of concepts, art history context, composition and techniques. And what you mentioned about selling to hotels doesn’t quite make sense because the vast majority of hotels couldn’t give a flying fuck about concepts.

On the other hand, I’d be interested to watch your channel turn into an artistic journey channel. Entertaining.

All the best,

_____

Nick Knowles

Dude’s head is in the wrong world lol… Gallerys? haha theres a whole world of freelance and illustration jobs in the film game and advertising industry that is yea, tough to meet the skill barrier, but requires no degrees. How do you know if you’re ready to get those jobs? https://www.artstation.com/artwork?sorting=trending If youre at least as good or better than any of those pieces, you can get fantastic paying work. That’s it; no degrees, no gallerys, just good crafstmanship getting work. If the artist writing that above is showing his work, I’m afraid that ain’t gonna cut it, not by a long shot. Fundamentals every day like fulltime job. Anatomy, lighting, color, composition etc. 8+ hrs a day or more. After a few years of that, you WILL get work because you’ll be useful for companies. Feel lost? Many have been to, don’t kid yourself. https://noahbradley.com/dont-go-to-art-school/ If you’re ready to get serious about improving, learn from the best of the best here, for a very reasonable price of 40$ a month. more videos and tutorials than you can wrap your head around http://www.newmastersacademy.org/ I know this stuff is an obscure industry, it’s all behind the scenes, but all those names in the credits in animated films or video games etc. are people who know about this field. This dude who wrote this has no clue. He thinks this old gaurd way of selling to galleries is how to make cash. People who think making a painting a month is an accomplishment, lol FUCK ME. I really pity the academic art institution in pretty much every country. They do a great job of burying the real field, because well; none of them would want their students knowing tuition is not necesarry and the most a degree can get you in art is something to “Wipe your ass with.”

Eisel Mazard

I’m aware that many/most academic institutions FAIL to provide hands-on training (actual painting, actual drawing, etc.) —but that is precisely why I regard V.I.S.A. (Vancouver Island School for the Arts) as an unusually positive opportunity. To all reports it is NOT academic at all: it is really providing just hands-on training in “art making”, as they say (as well as studio time, etc.).

Nick Knowles

There are some fantastic ateliers if someone wants hands on training like Watts Atelier, Atelier Stockholm, as well as some design schools like Art Center, or Feng Zhu Design Academy in Singapore.

Alexa

I agree about art school, generally (which is why I didn’t go for very long). But there’s also a HIGH volume of nerds vying for those jobs: many of whom have been working on their technical skills (drawing/digital illustration) for most of their lives, and are willing to do the most boring of said jobs–box art for shitty toys or games no one will play–for crap pay simply to be “in the industry.” As you said, there’s a pretty high “skill barrier” you’d need to break for design or matte painting work in actual animated films and games… it’s a level of skill that, honestly, most people can’t gain from a few years of study. Two or three years of serious life-drawing and training on TOP of years drawing as a hobby, maybe, but not four years from nothing. Non-garbage film and game studios have a million highly-skilled applicant portfolios from which to choose. Trying to break into that field from square one in your 30’s or 40’s JUST to pay the bills, without a real passion for the industry..? I suppose you could get really lucky, but otherwise, only if job descriptions like “UI artist for Emoji Movie 3DS tie-in game” sound good to you.

Nick Knowles

Cant really disagree with any of that

Genevieve Jackson

Succeeding as an artist has quite a bit to do with the artist’s connections. Lucien Freud is Sigmund’s grandson. You’re a mythical YouTube mastermind, it will definitely ad to your prestige.

Jul 30 at 7:48am

[Other voices:] Canadian watches documentary, becomes vegan.

From Thunder Bay, Ontario.

Pauline

It’s great if it encourages people to go vegan. I watched it a couple of months ago and did feel that some of the claims were over-stated, however, and was dubious about some of the instant turnarounds. I was unconvinced by the apparent instant cures. Although there are undoubted health benefits in eating a well-planned plant-based diet, I don’t think it’s good to make dramatic unsupported claims based on one or two instances. I always think it’s better to promote the ethical arguments, with the health benefits as a secondary factor. There was this review, which is probably a bit harsh, but I agree with some of the points made. It can backfire if people find that the claims are overblown and exaggerated. vegan.com/posts/vegan-dietitian-review-what-the-health/

Eisel Mazard

My girlfriend and I watched the documentary (“What the Health”) together and, yes, long-story-short, we think it is poor quality film-making. However, obviously, it reaches an audience my videos will never reach, and it appeals to certain kinds of people (people who wear baseball caps to formal meetings with the directors of major agencies, etc.).

Pauline

Yep; I would agree with that.

Genevieve Jackson

Glad he didn’t listen to Swayze Foster’s and Ginny Messina’s idiotic critiques.

ModVegan

Thanks for sharing this! I was disappointed in the film, since Cowspiracy was frankly better, and I thought a second film would be as good or better than the first. But I’m glad that it’s been able to reach more people. My mom actually enjoyed the film, and it really inspired her to adopt a plant-based diet (interestingly, she saw it because her best friend watches my channel, and she went vegan about 6 months ago and has been pestering my mom to watch my videos, lol!).

Marion Poliquin

Ah yes, that feeling when your mother will only take your advice when it comes from someone else.

Jul 29 at 7:39pm

Zoom in on this one: China to France via Thailand.

I’m typing this, now, from the edge of a very different beach in France (Nice, Côte d’Azur) but this photo was taken in Thailand (we saved money by flying via Bangkok). Notice the moon in the top-left corner, and, yeah, that’s me in the bottom-right.

Alena

Beautiful!

MarMar Zaiats

This is a stunning photo!

Pauline

They’ve been having a lot of wildfires in the South of France recently. Hopefully they’re out now.

Eisel Mazard

I think the fires were just on the island of Corsica, not the mainland.

ModVegan

Wow! Great photo!

Jul 27 at 10:05am

“Dogma”: Axiomatic & Pragmatic Thinking in Vegan Politics.

Yep. It’s me, talking about vegan politics. In Thailand.

Tom Lewis

In regards to the flat earther Tim Shieff it might be interesting to know that he was on BBC Two this morning, along with others to promote veganism and his effort was congratulated by The Vegan Society. It’s a shame to someone who denies aspects of science may become a familiar face in the UK in regards to veganism. https://www.facebook.com/TheVeganSociety/photos/a.417518913645.206695.9999613645/10155802295773646/?type=3&theater EDIT: also ‘propaganda’ is another word that people perhaps should get over

Tim M

Hi Eisel, sorry in advance for the off-topic comment, I know this is bad internet etiquette – I haven’t watched the video above yet but I thought this might be the best way to get your attention do you have any thoughts about vegans boycotting vegan products? Perhaps you’ve already voiced your opinion on this and I’ve missed or forgotten about it.. The current instantiation of this phenomenon is with the boycotting of Daiya for selling out to a big pharma.. I would love the hear your thoughts! (Is this the best method of contact or should I have left a comment in the community section of Patreon?)

Eisel Mazard

I have a video on “the boycott mentality” itself (which I remember as being unusually good… by my own strange standards) but I’ve never addressed this phenomenon specifically: I’d say that, for some, boycotting itself becomes a bit of a bad habit —or perhaps the sense of moral superiority (behind the boycott) becomes a habit.

Jul 27 at 9:54am

[Podcast version:] Episode 7.2 was AWFUL!

zzz_got_7-2_raw.mp3

Yep, 40 minutes is a long time: here in podcast format (audio only / MP3) maybe this will be a pleasant distraction from long hours of disinfecting surgical instruments, or checking blueprints for load-bearing flaws. I dunno, whatever you people with “real” jobs do.

James Newman

There’s one more season after season 7; It’s only going to have six episodes, though.

Jul 27 at 9:43am

Episode 7.2 was AWFUL! (Game of Thrones) (ASOIAF)

40 minutes solid (a lot of “book vs. show” discussion).

Belinda

I keep wondering if dragons are an allegory for nuclear weapons. Just throwing that out there.

Theo Slade

Definitely analogous – Game of Thrones: Why Dragons Halt Progress Nerdwriter1 – https://youtu.be/PDdKmx0PW7s

Jul 26 at 3:26pm

You guys know I do livestreams, right?

https://www.younow.com/EiselMazard

^ That’s the link to Younow, where I livestream. My girlfriend just suggested that I post a link here —I usually don’t (because I assume Patreon people are already in the loop).

Max. 30 minutes of the livestream was about Game of Thrones, I hope / promise / not really. Plenty about Thailand / veganism / the meaning of life / I guess.

https://www.younow.com/EiselMazard

^ That’s the link to Younow, where I livestream. My girlfriend just suggested that I post a link here —I usually don’t (because I assume Patreon people are already in the loop).

Max. 30 minutes of the livestream was about Game of Thrones, I hope / promise / not really. Plenty about Thailand / veganism / the meaning of life / I guess.

Jul 26 at 5:16am

Meanwhile, in Thailand (a Very Temporary Vacation)

Yep, we’re in Thailand in-between flights: next major stop is the south of France (côte d’azure / Nice).

Jul 25 at 4:37am

Toys for my daughter (marble madness + Peppa Pig)

We’re currently in Thailand, BTW, _en route_ to France.

The most complex toy (as seen in the thumbnail) is a sort of assemble-it-yourself race-track for marbles.

NotKurtis

You should consider an original pressing of Eazy-Duz-It.

Sam Wigman

I always wanted videogame stuff growing up when my parents were against videogames. Now I’ve massively overcompensated with a large game collection I mostly don’t choose to play because I’m not all that much of a gamer in fact.

KaiRoosaar

Oh God that is sooooo much! I know your views on minimalism. Is the mom of your daughter also not a minimalist? I would get so mad… That amount of things at once (or at all) would make me anxious as hell. It’s painful to look at the video Other than that: I wish you both a really good trip and time! I have a son at a same age and I see every day how important the daddy is, too. I’m in Europe but still too far to come to the meetups sadly.

ModVegan

Wowza! It is a lot of stuff, but then again, he hasn’t seen her for a very long time, so I can understand the desire to shower her with gifts. He’s only human, after all. The marble tower is pretty cool!

V L

I had no idea you were a Homestar Runner fan.

Eisel Mazard

There have been a few (direct) allusions to homestar/strong-bad on the channel (e.g., in a recent riposte to Vegan Gains).

Jul 22 at 11:11am

Next Book Review?

For the record, Tobias Leenaert was not offended by the last video I made about him (i.e., a critique of his views) —at that time, we had a few messages back-and-forth on Facebook.

Title: “FAKE VEGANS (Andy Warski & Tobias Leenaert)”

Link: https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=D1nHrC8Wsgs

Just one other video (on my channel) broached Tobias’s approach (although, I think, somewhat more vaguely/generally, not dealing with any specific argument or article he’d written):

Title: “Ethics: Vegans, Vasectomies, Flexitarians… questions of good and evil.”

Link: https://youtu.be/qhKiQ_E7dik

For the record, Tobias Leenaert was not offended by the last video I made about him (i.e., a critique of his views) —at that time, we had a few messages back-and-forth on Facebook.

Title: “FAKE VEGANS (Andy Warski & Tobias Leenaert)”

Link: https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=D1nHrC8Wsgs

Just one other video (on my channel) broached Tobias’s approach (although, I think, somewhat more vaguely/generally, not dealing with any specific argument or article he’d written):

Title: “Ethics: Vegans, Vasectomies, Flexitarians… questions of good and evil.”

Link: https://youtu.be/qhKiQ_E7dik

The Vegan Police

First off, don’t waste your time reading the book. The misnomered “vegan strategist” (formerly VeganSapioSexual) doesn’t understand veganism or animal rights. Despite what he would have you believe. Having read it, I have to say that it has to be the worst “vegan” book I have ever read. If you listen to Matt Ball’s recent ARZone podcast interview, it becomes clear why the anti-vegans stick together, and promote each other’s work. That being said, I highly doubt Tobias would participate in any “interview” that doesn’t blow wind up his Khyber and talk about how great he is. If you get a chance it is interesting to listen to the ARZone podcast featuring him and Roger Yates where Tobias’ true colours came out.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Having read it, I have to say that it has to be the worst “vegan” book I have ever read.” BUT THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO REVIEW IT!!!!!! And yes, BTW, this book has already been endorsed and promoted by Peter Singer himself… or by whatever robot/zombie controls his twitter account!

ModVegan

Well, at least it’s available in a kindle edition. I think I’ll read it this afternoon. I’ve followed Tobias for a long time – pretty much since I went vegan, although I haven’t paid much attention to him for the last year. I first ran into Cameron in the comment section of his blog (am I wrong in thinking you may have been banned for disagreeing with him, Cameron?).

The Vegan Police

I have been banned from his facebook page, and he has me blocked from his personal profile, and his twitter profile. I think he has banned me, though I haven’t tried commenting again to test it out. I also wouldn’t be surprised if he reports the email requests for a podcast discussion as spam. I guess he doesn’t want to step outside of the safety of his dogmatic echo chamber

Jul 22 at 4:04am

Learning languages: how did this become such a major part of my lIfe?

mamandeloulavegane

yr story is sad, i also think you very smart and care about many things

Jul 21 at 2:54am

[Other voices:] Henya on struggling to quit anti-depressants.

This was an unexpected contrast: already (so soon!) we hear about Henya’s struggle to quit anti-depressants and their “addictive” quality, withdrawal symptoms, etc. (note, this is only a few seconds long, after the 10 min. 30 sec. mark).

ModVegan

I know we have differing views on this, but I think calling them “addictive” is a bit of a misnomer (I realize she called them that in her video). I do think the side-effects of anti-depressants are important to take into account when weighing their continued use (for example, I eventually chose to quit anti-depressants because of Neutropenia – a rare side effect that causes a severely depressed immune system and basically makes everyday bacteria in your environment life threatening). But even after four years of taking the drugs daily, it only took a couple of weeks of tapering to quit them completely. Obviously, any drug that affects your brain enough to stop you from being suicidal is also going to affect your brain when you stop taking it…which is why anti-depressants are definitely not an appropriate treatment option for everyone.

Jul 20 at 7:39am

Reducetarian Pragmatism vs. Vegan Optimism. [Brass Tacks]

This is part of the “Brass Tacks” playlist: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

The Vegan Police

Reducetarism was created by Brian Kateman because he wanted to give himself a label that would give in an excuse for not consuming animal products at particular events. After the book came the conference, and who knows what will be next. The anti-vegans like Tobias, Vegan Bros, etc have adopted this ‘approach’ because they want to appeal to the lowest common denominator, under the pretence of being “effective”. They all want to redefine veganism to be more ‘inclusive’ and an easier ‘goal’ to reach. There is more that I could add on reducetarians, though I think I might be repeating myself… Then we come to Matt Ball. He was a co-founder of Vegan Outreach, and isn’t a fan of the word vegan. IMNSHO, the whole “one step for animals” thing has very little to do with frustration, and more to do with money. It is far easier to get money out of people if their message is take ‘one step for animals’, than it would be to get them to give up animal products all together. Matt Ball is way off the mark when he claims that vegan education has been around since Singer’s book, which doesn’t actually mention veganism, when it hasn’t. Notice how he mentions pure, etc a number of times? There is more on this, though most of what I would say would be repeating something similar to what Roger Yates has said http://onhumanrelationswithothersentientbeings.weebly.com/the-blog/reducetarian-movement-snatchers-or-matt-ball-should-leave-vegans-alone What they all forget or deliberately ignore are the rights violations that go with their reduetarian message. And that is where their dogma fails.

Eisel Mazard

Although it isn’t addressed to these particular names, Police, I think you’ll find a lot of these issues addressed in the hour-long podcast I did with ModVegan (many months ago), i.e., I provide the link in case you missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ5RwzvthY In particular, I’d draw your attention to my repeated critique of “purity” as a concept, even within veganism, and even within abolitionist veganism. There’s another issue here that I addressed more than a year ago on the channel (maybe more than two years ago now), of people who are vegans themselves recommending reducetarianism FOR OTHERS, i.e., implicitly, “you poor thing, you can’t possibly live up to the standards I set for myself”. This is, frankly, worth philosophizing about (I could make another video on that topic: it was A LONG time ago that I addressed it… from my perspective, it comes down to central questions of, “Do I care about this person enough to be honest with them?”).

Genevieve Jackson

I started off as a reducatarion, because I had failed as a vegan before. It actually worked for me, but I had an end goal. I quit dairy/eggs overnight. I was really paranoid about DHA so I ate a bit of fish for awhile. I still have very little compassion for fish( except for betas at the pet store), but the smell is appalling now. It used to be a favorite food! In fact the meat department really smells to me, whereas I before I couldn’t smell a thing.

Marion Poliquin

I don’t believe in reducetarism because the whole philosophy relies on people being moderate and mindful of their habits, two things that humans are incredibly bad at. Most people are delusional about their eating habits. They will claim to “eat very little meat” yet have dairy, eggs and meat at almost every meal and draw the vast majority of their calories from animals. So that’s where we’re starting from. Am I supposed to believe that the average person can be mindful enough to reduce their animal consumption by half and have it last for more than a month or two? You don’t tell an alcoholic to cut back on the number of drinks they have, you don’t tell a smoker to cut back on the number of cigarettes they smoke and you don’t tell a junky to cut back on the number of syringes they stick in their eyes. You tell them to stop.

Eisel Mazard

When I was younger I would have agreed with you on this. Today, I’d say that SOME percentage of people actually make moderation/reducetarianism work —but it really remains-to-be-seen what percentage that is (i.e., it may be even smaller than 2%). Although I regard cocaine as bad (to be blunt), there are people who are occasional cocaine users (i.e., bad) without ever becoming addicts (worse). Meanwhile, most people don’t like being hypocrites: Reducetarianism really does require that you subscribe to a sort of active and ongoing hypocrisy, in never quite practicing what you preach, etc. Reducetarianism basically requires that the adherent regard what they’re doing as bad (vs. worse) while propounding it as saving the planet, etc. Sort of a weak footing, but we’ll see what percentage of people prefer it (evidently, some do).

ModVegan

Both my husband and I started out as reducetarians. I had a clear goal of veganism, and I gave myself several months to go completely vegan. My husband did not intend to go vegan at the beginning. After I announced I was going vegan, he agreed that our home would be vegan, but that he would be vegetarian at business meetings and eat animals once a week. I think the hypocrisy of the whole thing got to him pretty quickly, because it didn’t take very long before he decided he couldn’t stomach reducetarianism So, it definitely “works” (or doesn’t work if the goal is “some animal consumption”) for at least a few people.

Steven

I’m curious if there are any data about The commitment and consistency in behavior for reducetarians (although I don’t see how it’s possible for us to have acquired any at this point). Even accepting arguendo that it is better to have 10,000 reducetarians than 1,000 vegans, does it stick? 10,000 people at 50% for two years is not better than 1,000 vegans who remain so their entire lives, even using the overly simplistic math employed here. And why do we think that reducetarians eat at 50% their former meat consumption? How do even a valuate that? What’s the endgame? /rant over

Eisel Mazard

I think we have to admit to ourselves that a reducetarian is, by definition, “a person lacking commitment and consistency in their behavior”. We can’t expect them to be highly committed to NOT being committed.

Jul 17 at 4:37pm

Why We Listen to Rap: Middle Aged, Middle Class, White Vegans.

Yeah, right: just in case we didn’t upload enough HOURS of content within the last 5 days… another 27 minutes.

IMHO, I think the first few minutes of this one are a bit weak, but once it gets rolling, there’s a lot worth hearing here: the whole history of how we (each) got into rap music, going all the way back to Sega Genesis and C64.

Yeah, right: just in case we didn’t upload enough HOURS of content within the last 5 days… another 27 minutes.

IMHO, I think the first few minutes of this one are a bit weak, but once it gets rolling, there’s a lot worth hearing here: the whole history of how we (each) got into rap music, going all the way back to Sega Genesis and C64.

Emmet Larrissy

Sadly there is already enough really bad vegan music out already, without Eisel making mock rap videos wearing a baseball cap. In fact, it would still probably be better than some of the vegan music out there.

Genevieve Jackson

Sakars is amazing though.

Emmet Larrissy

I listen this a YouTube channel that just plays videogame style music. The band MEGADRIVE is probably the best thing I have heard on there.

Genevieve Jackson

I was just listening to that Gaia anti-fur rap.

NotKurtis

Not listening unless Eisel can confirm for me that Riff Raff is doscussed at least once in this video

Eisel Mazard

Yep: he comes up just once, toward the end, as you’ve effectively foreshadowed here.

jack’s Afer effort

Black Moon > Migos > Beatles.

MacGregor Malloy

I would describe my own interest in the more provocative styles of rap as a kind of catharsis. There is also something very realpolitik about it that I appreciate.

Jul 17 at 3:29pm

[Podcast Version:] Captive Animals ARE NOT Companion Animals (Unnatural Vegan is NOT Vegan)

Captive_Animals_ARE_NOT_Companion_Animals_Unnatural_Vegan_is_NOT_Vegan.mp3

The podcast version (MP3) …for those who are too busy conducting rust-checks on outdoor fire escapes to be sitting around watching Youtube!

Charlie Wallau

Hey Eisel, I do not understand why you don’t like utilitarianism. In your video “Utilitarianism is rubbish, innit?” you say that utilitarianism isn’t concerned with your interest in preserving Native American languages. You are implying that the preservation of Native American languages won’t bring happiness to anybody. Why are you interested in preserving Native American languages if doing this won’t bring happiness to anyone? You aren’t making any sense. What is your fundamental problem with the claim that a moral action is one that maximizes happiness and minimizes suffering for sentient beings? I don’t understand how anyone could disagree with that statement.

Eisel Mazard

I do disagree with the fundamental premise of utilitarianism, and I disagree with the idea that happiness provides a purpose/direction/objective for humans as individuals —and I disagree with the further idea that this idea of happiness can be used as the purpose/direction/objective when discussing society in aggregate. I think you’ll find this discussed as much in the videos on Nihilism, Buddhism and even “the philosophy of Ted Carr” as you will in the (few) videos directly discussing utilitarianism: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7pT2VULD2abhlVRlXy80uk2

Charlie Wallau

What could humans possibly have as a goal besides happiness? I agree with you that people shouldn’t spend their whole life indulging themselves on a permanent vacation; they should feel a moral duty to help less-fortunate people and make the world a better place. But isn’t the definition of the world being a better place that the world has more happiness in it? I am a nihilist like you; I don’t think that morality is intrinsic to the universe. Morality is a concept that exists in the minds of human beings. We recognize that we desire happiness ourselves, and we want other beings to be happy. Why are you a vegan? Aren’t you a vegan because you don’t want to cause unnecessary suffering to sentient creatures?

Eisel Mazard

No, I do not see my own reasons for veganism in that way, and I do not see suffering (in the utilitarian sense) as the defining criterion here: you raise (in another comment) the example of oysters, and, simply, no, the question of suffering is not (from my perspective) the criterion that defines what I should do —or what is “doing the best that I can do”. Here’s an old video (with 7,000 viewers, I’m surprised to see) on how I became vegan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTA_4zDa8r0

Charlie Wallau

You said in a conversation with Modvegan that when debating whether or not it is ethical to eat oysters it is irrelevant whether or not they are sentient. How the hell is that not relevant?

Eisel Mazard

You need to stop approaching this from the perspective, “Either Eisel agrees with me, or else he can’t possibly have any valid perspective/argument of his own”. My approach to veganism is (evidently) profoundly alien to yours: my reasons for being vegan are, evidently, very difficult for you to appreciate —and, I think, you’re not accustomed to speaking to anyone who has a profoundly different view of veganism. Some vegans are Buddhists. Some are Hindu. Some are right-wing conservatives. Stop approaching these questions as if I MUST (implicitly) agree with your own line of reasoning: I don’t.

Charlie Wallau

Hum. Well thanks for answering my questions.

Charlie Wallau

Another question: what do you think about the issue of places where humans must graze animals for food because the climate is too arid to grow crops. I think I heard that there are regions like that in Africa. To the best of your knowledge, are there places like this? And do you think it makes sense to advocate for veganism in those places? Or can we only advocate for veganism in certain regions, depending on the climate type?

Jul 17 at 3:20pm

Captive Animals ARE NOT Companion Animals (Unnatural Vegan is NOT Vegan)

Captivity is not companionship.

Genevieve Jackson

I would probably choose death than a lifetime of prison.

MacGregor Malloy

Interesting discussion. Your reference to the argument that captivity is better than death has always been a (possible) point of contention between my own views on pet ownership and yours. I believe that this argument is similar to the argument that Gary Francione advances for adopting dogs and holding them captive (he refers to them as “refugees”), despite his commitment to abolitionism. I know he recognizes the added difficulty for cats but I haven’t paid enough attention to what he has to say about that. It doesn’t seem possible to answer the question about whether a life of domestication, invasive sterilization and captivity is better or worse than death. The problem of anthropomorphization seems intractable. I am not entirely convinced that adopting a dog, for example, that is facing imminent death, and feeding it a vegan diet of course, is wrong compared to letting it die. Cats seem like a clearer example given their carnivorous nature. I consider myself lucky to have found myself without any cat captives at the time of coming to this conclusion, because I have no idea how I would resolve that problem amicably. My care for their “well being” would probably leave me admitting my own moral failings while continuing to hold them captive, paying humans to kill various creatures to feed to them. I am curious as to how your girlfriend (sorry I do not know her name) managed to deal with that problem.

Eisel Mazard

(1) Re: “It doesn’t seem possible to answer the question about whether a life of domestication, invasive sterilization and captivity is better or worse than death.” Hey, step one is ASKING THE QUESTION. When I opened this line of discussion on Youtube, the majority of vegans were shocked and horrified: a lot of people had NEVER thought about it before. Frankly, I think that just asking the question (openly) will lead to a different aesthetic and moral quality for the movement. Very strange comparison: just asking the question, “Why do bank-machines in Canada not have any native language (Cree, Mohawk, etc.)?” leads to a sort of change in the aesthetic and moral quality of the political discourse about language education (i.e., it ain’t the French or the Chinese who are being oppressed here). (2) Yep… the girlfriend’s cats were, in fact, the girlfriend’s ex-boyfriend’s cats… and that’s where they remain.

Alena

Eisel, what do you think about the new Vegan flag? I think it’s a positive step towards politicizing veganism. I appreciate it that someone took the time and effort to create a flag at all. I got a comment on Instagram: ” The creator of the flag is Israeli. So to have a flag that bears the two colors of Israel’s flag doesn’t seem coincidental. Besides, this movement is for the animal, it is not about us. Having a flag makes it all about us and further devides us from other potential converts to veganism.” I disagree with this comment. I’m curious what do You think about the flag. Some say vegans don’t need a flag and that it’s just for the sake of making money on merchandise. They say thr flag will further devide the vegans. We are already very diverse and devided, maybe a flag can help to unite all of us in a way, to be a symbol we all can identify with..

Alena

An article from Ecorazzi critisizing the flag http://www.ecorazzi.com/2017/07/13/why-i-wont-be-waving-a-vegan-flag/

Alena

Thanks for the reply. That’s a good point about Lattin letter V and other world languages.

Theo Slade

What would you do if you were the head of PETA say and a big donor left 10 million to you in their will on the condition that you did something practical towards tackling the problem of pet animal suffering? What share would go into animal sanctuary/ domestic animal safari parks, where you helped them from starving and let people visit for a fee towards rewilding? How much on free tubular litigation procedures? Just curious, I think there’s a good case to be made for adopting plenty of dogs and cats from over-populated, low demand, no kill shelters if you live deep in the countryside where they can roam and you don’t have to worry about them being run over, every farm and new age traveler site I ever knew had dogs and cats roaming freely. What do you think of tribes that keep animals as family and would never eat anyone they adopt even after they let them back into the forest? Penan relationship to animals https://youtu.be/ODG42xzqxUU Awa Amazon tribe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYLMhHzKocE Are Humans the Only Animals That Keep Pets? https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/animals-and-us/201006/are-humans-the-only-animals-keep-pets The guy being quoted by UV in this video from the philosophicalvegan forum also wrote this: On Adoption/Rescue: “Adopting pets probably does not qualify as effective altruism due to the large cost and small impact. It’s also not entirely clear whether adoption is good for a cat or not (even among consequentialists, this is debated). The ideal case seems to be rescuing two female cats from no kill shelters which are fed vegan (let meat eaters adopt the male cats and feed them the meat they may need to avoid urinary issues) kept indoors to prevent them from killing animals or being harmed themselves, and with enrichment like a cat patio or other activities. Yet we do not know what extent of boredom, confinement, or isolation over a lifetime make it better to have been euthanized. Be mindful that adopting an animal and making it miserable is probably worse than not adopting at all and keep in mind the difficulties involved in providing for the animal before making that commitment.” On Donation/ other Activism: “With respect to donation and volunteering, a disproportionate amount of current effort and money is devoted to pet rescue, so in terms of contributions to any efforts (even more effective ones like TNR) the point of diminishing returns is probably reached much sooner than with funding efforts to reduce farmed animal suffering.” https://philosophicalvegan.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3292&start=10 Would be interested to know how far your approach differs. I know you would disagree with them thinking cats should be kept indoors, I’m torn on that because of cats being glutenous hunters, killing for fun and basically an invasive species that are too good for their environment, unlike the wildcat they share a common ancestor with which consumes all its food and has a working niche that is threatened by feral cats, so probably wouldn’t get a cat from a shelter, but might adopt the burden of checking on a friends cat if they had to move house to the city so the cat could keep it’s environment rather than have to be put down.

Eisel Mazard

I’m really tempted to give the answer that Durianrider prepared everyone for: “I’d spend it all on hookers and fried chicken from K.F.C.!” —presumably the hookers would not actually be provided by K.F.C., but for ten million dollars, maybe you could even get a branch of K.F.C. to go vegan (…i.e., it would be even easier to get them to act as a brothel, I imagine). Ahem. But all joking aside… …I think the reality (in 2017) is the economic opposite: groups run shelters as their major source of funding/donation, and then use some small percentage of the funds raised (primarily FOR the shelter) to take on other projects (such as public education). Animal shelters are popular with donors —including meat-eating donors. So far as I know, P.C.R.M. does not operate shelters, so there’s an exception, but, e.g., “Go Vegan World” started as a (highly affluent?) animal shelter in Ireland —and then built their empire (so to speak) on the relations with donors that the shelter created (they seem to have multi-million dollar advertising budgets now… but I have never seen an actual budget, nor an actual figure for total cost per annum, etc.).

Jul 16 at 2:45am

[Podcast version:] Karl Popper’s philosophy in/and my life.

Karl_Poppers_philosophy_in_my_life.mp3

Only 14 minutes long, but still: some of you may appreciate having the recording in a portable, MP3 format, for those long hours of chopping firewood (I hope you don’t watch youtube videos WHILE chopping firewood).

Jul 16 at 2:39am

Karl Popper’s philosophy (in/and my life)

This is not the first time Karl Popper’s name has been mentioned on the channel, but, obviously, it’s the first discussion of his work at any length/depth. I remember I actually did receive hate-mail the last time I mentioned him.

Saci-pererê

Looking forward to this

Genevieve Jackson

I like that drawing

Jul 15 at 9:39am

Q&A: The Future of this Channel (à-bas-le-ciel)

I don’t think the answer is going to shock/surprise anyone who is a regular supporter on Patreon, but there are a few different possibilities explored here: in one hypothetical future scenario I broaden my mission-and-mandate to start discussing more non-vegan politics (foreign policy, economics, politics within Canada, etc.) and in another I start broadcasting from my studio, while mixing paint / priming canvas.

I don’t think the answer is going to shock/surprise anyone who is a regular supporter on Patreon, but there are a few different possibilities explored here: in one hypothetical future scenario I broaden my mission-and-mandate to start discussing more non-vegan politics (foreign policy, economics, politics within Canada, etc.) and in another I start broadcasting from my studio, while mixing paint / priming canvas.

Emmet Larrissy

Most of the political debate I have seen on YouTube is worryingly bad. It is probably the main platform for neo-nazis. I don’t think these groups use other platforms as often.

Eisel Mazard

If I wanted to hold debates on my channel, at this point, there’s almost nobody on youtube for me to debate with. I think I’d be better off inviting people who knew me in high school to joke about old times, etc. —you ain’t gonna get Bite Size Vegan on my channel, debating dog-castration.

ModVegan

I’m definitely down with doing book reviews any time. As for he non-profit for schools – it has to happen. I need to work on finding a few people besides my husband and myself who are interested, but I think it’s an idea that has a lot of potential…well, obviously

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: a large part of it rests on WHERE I’m living for the next few years in Canada.

Jul 14 at 6:02am

The Vegan vs. Vegan Thing: Gary Francione vs Melanie Joy.

Self-explanatory.

The Vegan Police

A few things. Francione doesn’t consider himself as part of the current ‘movement’. Instead, he likes to think that he is starting a ‘counter movement’. Melanie’s views have changed over the past few years. And now that she is married to Sebastian, and fallen in with Tobias, she is all about ‘effectiveness’, and joining the anti-vegan reducetarian bandwagon. As for conflict within the ‘movement’. Every one has them. The wordpress community is full of it. The cryptocurrency community has it, which is why so many other ‘coins are starting. There was a huge one in the Ethereum one which caused the hard fork and created Ethereum Classic. Even Bitcoin has one with the August 1 soft fork. If the conflict is embraced, it is the way that the community and movement grows and matures. If it is avoided or shunned, as it is in the vegan ‘movement’, the results are what we are seeing now with the rise in anti-vegans.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “Melanie’s views have changed over the past few years.” ~ I would tend to assume that this is linked to the failure of her prior organization, adumbrated in the video. “Sebastian” is a name i don’t know, whereas Tobias is both a name and a person whom I know. Generally, no, I don’t think we can just say, “Cryptocurrency is doing it, why shouldn’t we?” We could give a thousand counter-examples: surgeons can’t insult one-another this way, nor can real-estate agents, etc.

ModVegan

“Bizarre screeds,” lol. But it’s what he does best!

Eisel Mazard

Man with a hammer regards everything as a nail, etc.

Jul 14 at 12:59am

Career: Painter, Baker, PhD, Language-Educator… or What?

The open-ended question of how I’m going to earn a living (when I go back to Canada) continues.

Emmet Larrissy

The biggest hurdle in running a food business is having a professional kitchen. To serve food to the public you need an appropriate place to prepare food.This is particularly problematic to people who are living in student-esque accomadation.

Eisel Mazard

Yep: most baking is done at an industrial-sized shed in the suburbs, passing both cleanliness and fire-safety requirements. No, I would not enjoy making that drive several times per day, etc.

Emmet Larrissy

You can do a lot of food courses on the internet at a very low cost. Food safety is about $150. The course is pretty similar in most countries I think. One of the good things about the course is that it gives you a perspective about what it will be like trying to start a food business. It is also mandatory for most food handlers.

Emmet Larrissy

I don’t really have so much to say about becoming an artist. It is much more of a personal thing than baking.

Eisel Mazard

The role of repetition in each is significant, too.

Jul 11 at 12:21pm

[Podcast version:] Schopenhauer’s philosophy (in/and my life)

Schopenhauers_philosophy_and_my_life.mp3

Saci-pererê

This series is great, it’s difficult to communicate the nuances of subjective experience to others. Schopenhauer is an appropriate figure to illustrate how academic works influence our subjective experience. Likewise, the concept of Sprachspiel has allowed me to understand the wording subtleties that impact how we perceive what information is being communicated.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in: it is interesting that I’ve gotten so much positive feedback from/for these videos (compared to, e.g., the book-review series I did, etc.).

Jul 11 at 12:16pm

Schopenhauer’s philosophy (in/and my life)

Dorney

I’m reading Schopenhauer’s Essays and Aphorisms at the moment, the Penguin Classic translated by R.J. Hollingdale. It’s good stuff and the widely-regarded opinion was he was a “pessimist”. One man’s pessimist is another man’s realist, I suppose. I enjoyed how, in the 19th century, he saw animals being able to “think” (in the year 2017 many don’t actually feel animals can do this, frighteningly). The difference between us and them was our ability to see into the future and look back at the past while being in the present moment while animals could only “think” in the present, according to Schopenhauer. I thought it was quite forward-thinking for the time. That being said, his opinions on women were pretty dark-age material (even for the 19th century). He seemed quite open to “atheism” for his time, or whatever the equivalent was. He was staunchly monarchical as well, which surprised me a bit. I’m halfway through, looking forward to the rest.

Eisel Mazard

Another example of why Patreon comments pwn youtube comments.

Seth Meyers

I’m really loving the Philosopher series! Thanks!

Eisel Mazard

I’ve already recorded one more (philosophy of Karl Popper) …and I could do yet another video on Buddhist philosophy… but, after that, I’m not sure how many more videos I could have in the series without actually reading more/new philosophy.

Jul 11 at 12:09pm

[Podcast version:] Max Stirner’s philosophy (in/and my life)

Max_Stirners_philosophy_in_my_life.mp3

Rewi Stirrat

Dude this is a fantastic resource! I’ve always wanted to be able to explain this to people when they ask me about the volunteering or charity initiatives I take part in. “I’m not a martyr!” is what I want to yell at people. I like doing these things, I feel a moral obligation, and most of the time I get something out of it too (not to be confused with taking an instagram/charity vacation). It’s who I am – and yes, I’m proud of it and I do think it makes me a good person – but I’m not acting selflessly. I’m not sacrificing myself, I’m doing exactly what I want to do.

Eisel Mazard

This is an especially interesting comment from you, Rewi, because I can easily imagine a parallel university in which you (or someone in your position) might have written to me with the diametric opposite sentiment. I wouldn’t want to venture a guess as to how many people in the charity industry can relate to what I say here about my own “mentality” (charity work as self-expression) —I can imagine some who wouldn’t let themselves admit the extent to which it might be true.

Jul 11 at 12:04pm

Max Stirner’s philosophy (in/and my life)

Tom Lewis

Really bizarre that you bring up how arbitrary though meaningful borders are as I was scrolling down the Wikipedia page ‘List of Euroregions’ where countries collaborate cross-border. (Looking for a non-permanent holiday) The current debate about egoism and ‘selfishness’ is interesting as often I hear those who speak of any form of ego as negative are also focused on well being (of the self) and a lot of their philosophy revolves around ‘feeling’ good, often in the moment. I assume a lot of this stems from ideas of utilitarianism, where suffering is actively avoided rather than it being seen as a nature part of a meaningful life. Self interest is not inherently bad; its execution is more telling as you say. Interesting what you say about how many present the falsehood behind their ‘sacrifice’. Own your real suffering, don’t inflate what’s not there. Going to look into Stirner’s views regarding working unions as next week I visit the home of the world’s largest ever working union, Solidarity.

Jul 9 at 1:48pm

Brass Tacks: Critique and the Making of a New Movement.

“Brass Tacks” is now a playlist, and this is the second video in that list so far.

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

Yeah, I’ve been asking these same questions for some time on this channel (“How do we get organized? What now? What next?”) but I have the sincere delusion that I’m actually saying something new and useful with this series.

The observations provided in this video (and the first Brass Tacks installment) are definitely new —and taking a somewhat different direction from earlier videos on the topic.

Meanwhile, in my private life, discussions of exactly what my career will be, and exactly what kind of foundation I’m going to register, continue to coalesce.

“Brass Tacks” is now a playlist, and this is the second video in that list so far.

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

Yeah, I’ve been asking these same questions for some time on this channel (“How do we get organized? What now? What next?”) but I have the sincere delusion that I’m actually saying something new and useful with this series.

The observations provided in this video (and the first Brass Tacks installment) are definitely new —and taking a somewhat different direction from earlier videos on the topic.

Meanwhile, in my private life, discussions of exactly what my career will be, and exactly what kind of foundation I’m going to register, continue to coalesce.

Pete McHugh

Criticism is sadly a lot easier to generate than praise. I feel a certain frustration at my inability to even choose campaigns to support. As someone who works full time in an industry about as different from political activism as possible I would love to just defer to others and donate to campaigns, but being a charitable donor or political actor is a lot harder than just having the desire to help. Efficacy is evasive, empowering charities can be counter-productive and yet money is ultimately the arbitrator of which campaigns have reach. My head hurts.

Emmet Larrissy

I think emerging faux meat industries are a good thing to invest in. Although you need to look at the diffetent technologies.

Emmet Larrissy

It does feel as if the vegan YouTube community is finally becoming the kind of institution that it could be. And this must partly be because it was opened up to criticism and debate.

Eisel Mazard

It may also be that you’re now watching a selected list of youtube channels that more closely resemble this aspiration (i.e., your own selective viewing may give you more of a sense of exterior, objective change in the movement). I still discover new channels (i.e., new to me) from vegans who are declaring that they want to drop out of school, do youtube full time, post videos of themselves trying on clothes, etc.

Tom Lewis

“But, Eisel, you’re hurting the movement! Whenever people search up veganism they find your videos and are completely put off the idea. I would rather believe that this is true and just convince people to join a ‘big tent’ movement with no structure, direction, checks or balances” – some YouTuber with a cringy username, probably

Eisel Mazard

Gary Francione is an interesting comparison on that: I’ve seen video of him really screaming at (vegan) anti-fur protesters that they’re all sexist (and that anti-fur protests are evil, etc.) …that is, really, divisive, and arguably hurts the movement in a way I never have, etc.

jack’s Afer effort

What’s Curious George up to these days? I couldn’t help it.

Eisel Mazard

I only exploit tofu monkeys. Wearing my tofu hat. In the tofu jungle.

Jul 9 at 2:03am

Beijing: Vegan Restaurants and Airports (Not Much Else)

This one is only two-and-a-half minutes long. By contrast, our live-stream from the Beijing airport lobby was more than two hours long.

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I think we were in Beijing for less than 48 hours (if you don’t count the time wasted in-and-around airports). 在这个星期,北京飞机场很乱糟糟:two of the three airport runways were being renovated and, reportedly, there were thunderstorms as an excuse for the chaos, too.

This one is only two-and-a-half minutes long. By contrast, our live-stream from the Beijing airport lobby was more than two hours long.

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I think we were in Beijing for less than 48 hours (if you don’t count the time wasted in-and-around airports). 在这个星期,北京飞机场很乱糟糟:two of the three airport runways were being renovated and, reportedly, there were thunderstorms as an excuse for the chaos, too.

jack’s Afer effort

Gail Dexter Lord? Amazing.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, that’s my mom. Picture posted to twitter, too: twitter.com/eiselmazard

ModVegan

The vegan restaurant seemed really neat! Vitamin supplements and vegan literature to boot!

Jul 8 at 12:38pm

[Podcast version:] Am I a Vegan Psychopath? (with JOE BEST!)

Psycho_audio.mp3

The video is OVER AN HOUR LONG!!!! YOU AIN’T GOT TIME FOR THAT!!!! Download the MP3/podcast version, and listen to it while you’re washing dishes or whateva.

NotKurtis

Dogg the day I spend 1hr24min washing dishes is the day i leave my mediocre life behind to become a mediocre, homeless rapper

Eisel Mazard

Dude, you can move to a gold-mining town in Arctic Canada, and make $20 per hour, washing dishes in a windowless (and yet poorly insulated) room.

Emmet Larrissy

Internet not been working lately. You could get a psycho tshirt (from the movie perhaps). Then you could wear it whenever in Thailand.

Jul 8 at 12:31pm

Am I a Vegan Psychopath? (with JOE BEST!)

[DESCRIPTION???? IT’S INDESCRIBABLE, THEREFORE, THERE’S NO DESCRIPTION!!!!]

The Vegan Police

At the time of writing this comment I have not watched this clip, though I will be later. I would like to ask one question though, why give this ‘expert’ opinion of Joe’s any credibility by responding to him? Joe calling Harley “name withheld”, hardly puts him in a position to be passing judgement on others. Come on, seriously! Are we all 12 years old, where we think if we don’t mention someone’s name they don’t exist? If the people like Joe, and yourself want to take away the power that Harley has on YouTube, stop referring to him as his brand. His name is Harley Johnstone. Anyway, I might rant some more once I have watched the clip…

Eisel Mazard

All ranting is welcome.

Jul 8 at 12:23pm

(Another interesting example of an interesting person becoming vegan because of my channel.)

Jul 8 at 8:06am

[Podcast version:] Veganism: Socratic Method is Dead.

Socratic_Method_is_Dead_July_2017.mp3

This one is PATREON EXCLUSIVE as both a video and a podcast. It is 17-and-a-half minutes long, so you can decide whether you’d rather watch it with the video (already posted) or listen to it while running up and down the stairs (etc.).

NotKurtis

Washing dishes, running up and down stairs… man you whip your audience, huh?

Eisel Mazard

#facts

Grant TB

Listening now. Thanks for this. Quick fyi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uwiFqrF49g

Eisel Mazard

I studied Pali, not Greek.

Jul 8 at 8:02am

[Patreon Exclusive:] Veganism: Socratic Method is Dead.

This is a reply to a Patreon supporter JUST LIKE YOU!!!!

Emile Bontes

Socratic method is most certainly Not Dead! A great example of it being used properly is the conversations Joey Carbstrong has with non-vegans. Check out his latest video where he has a very positive and productive (Socratic) conversation with a family of four non-vegans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gy5A_JslR8 When I was talking about insincere people I was talking about people that for instance Vegan Gains has debated recently and who all have an obvious resistance towards veganism from the start and who are all insincere and inconsistent about their reasoning and intentions. I could be completely wrong, but I don’t think it would be very productive to use Socratic method in those conversations. I agree that showing people who you are, why you are this way and feel the way you do, and leading by example can be more productive when dealing with, for instance, friends and family because you’re not coming off as judgmental and forcing this way. But I guess it all just depends on the situation and who you’re talking to that determines if it’s more productive to use Socratic method, fact-based logical reasoning, expressions your personal emotions and convictions, or a combination of these.

Eisel Mazard

I have definitely seen at least one video in which I’d say Joey Carbstrong was indeed using Socratic method, in the strictest sense of the term, i.e., he was saying, in effect, “Well, I don’t know what’s wrong or right… you can tell me why that is…”, etc.

Theo Slade

Page 34-35 of ‘Therapy and Desire; Theory and Practice in Hellenistic Ethics’ could be of some help here: . . .Cicero said that deductive argument does little to engage the ordinary hearer, or to probe into and alter the hearer’s life. The philosopher who records and systematizes ordinary beliefs can use familiar dialectical arguments. She can elicit the ordinary beliefs by calm questioning and then do whatever dialectical maneuvering needs to be done to achieve consistency. Medical philosophy cannot take this course. . . For its task requires delving deep into the patient’s psychology and, ultimately, challenging it and changing it. Calm dialectic does not probe deep enough to elicit hidden fears, frustrations, angers, attachments. If confusions are rooted deeply enough, it will not find them. Thus medical philosophy, while committed to logical reasoning, and to marks of good reasoning such as clarity, consistency, rigor, and breadth of scope, will often need to search for techniques that are more complicated and indirect, more psychologically engaging, than those of conventional deductive or dialectical argument. [27] It must find ways to delve into the pupil’s inner world, using gripping examples, techniques of narrative, appeals to memory and imagination-all in the service of bringing the pupil’s whole life in to the investigative process. Imagine, for example, how workers from the rural development authority would need to speak to the woman in rural India who says she does not want more education, if they want her to take the idea seriously and care about what they have to say. Clearly, a one-shot logical argument would do nothing to engage her; such a procedure would only reinforce her conviction that education has nothing to do with her. Nor would the exchange get very far if the development workers sat down with her like Aristotle in his schoolroom and asked her a number of calm and intellectual questions about what she thinks and says. But suppose, instead, they spent a long time with her , sharing her way of life and entering into it. Suppose, during this time, they vividly set before her stories of ways in which the lives of women in other parts of the world have been transformed by education of various types- all the while eliciting, from careful listening over a long period of time, in an atmosphere of trust that they would need to work hard to develop, a rich sense of what she has experienced, whom she takes herself to be, what at a deeper level she believes about her own capacities and their actualization. If they did all this, and did it with the requisite sensitivity, imagination, responsiveness, and open-mindedness, they might over time discover that she does indeed experience some frustration and anger in connection with her limited role; and she might be able to recognize and to articulate wishes and aspirations for herself that she could not have articulated to Aristotle in the classroom. In short, through narrative , memory, and friendly conversation, a more complicated view of the good might begin to emerge. In short, what philosophy needs, practiced in the medical way, is an account of complex human interactions of a philosophical kind. And for this it needs to think about the uses of the imagination, about narrative, about community, about friendship, about the rhetorical and literary forms in which an argument may be effectively housed. Each Hellenistic school does this in its own way. But all agree that philosophy is a complex form of life with complex arts of speech and writing. [27] For a contemporary argument along similar lines, see Charles Taylor (1993 ).

Eisel Mazard

I do not see Cicero quoted much anymore… I also cannot remember ever reading an entire book by Cicero… should probably add to my “to do” list.

Jul 8 at 2:38am

[ASOIAF:] Book vs. Show: Great Literature vs. Pop Art.

A.S.O.I.A.F. = “A Song of Ice and Fire”, i.e., the books of George R.R. Martin (G.R.R.M.), also known under the title “Game of Thrones”, used by the T.V. adaptation to refer to the series as a whole. more comments6 of 9

Genevieve Jackson

I only watched Game of Thrones because of my attraction to the Tyrion. Mostly. Fingersmith is hot as well.

Emmet Larrissy

Fingersmith is a great novelso

Emmet Larrissy

Struggling to use patroon on my phone, as my internet has been useless. Novels do not have any nude photos in them, unlike the TV series! And that is why Game of Thrones is so popular with teenagers.

Eisel Mazard

I dunno, man: there’s nothing erotic about the nudity, and in 2017, nude photography is NOT hard to come by.

ModVegan

I find the lack of science and technology frustrating (yes, I realize it’s supposed to be the late Middle Ages, but it still gets to me). My mom likes the books, but she says George RR Martin seems to be becoming a better writer over time. My favourite character on the TV show was Tywin (I know he’s clearly evil, but at times he seemed like the only intelligent person around – aside from Tyrion who is too emotional). I’ll keep watching the show, but good lord. And I totally agree with Melissa that the treatment of sexuality is just weird. I feel like half of the show is about the fact that George RR Martin feels ugly and it has coloured his entire life.

Eisel Mazard

(1) Preston Jacobs insists on interpreting all of the magic as “misunderstood technology” —and the whole story as science fiction. (2) On the T.V. show, they made Tywin an interesting and somewhat sympathetic character (e.g., his dialogues with Arya… they don’t happen in the books!). In the book, by contrast, the main thing that is “positive” about Tywin is that he was (as is said at his funeral) “a man who did what needed to be done” (an evaluation of his political legacy, “for the realm”). (3) Yes, George’s lifelong struggle with his own obesity and ugliness is a factor, and is even more obvious when you contrast the ASOIAF novels to his (relatively short) science-fiction work. However, these are themes millions of people can relate to (my own experience with studying Laotian and Pali simultaneously —for years— and then suddenly never being able to use either language (ever again)… not for a mass audience, by contrast).

Jul 7 at 3:42pm

Dept. of “Not Everyone is an Idiot”

This sort of repartee does amuse me slightly.

“Just a few days ago you were speaking of collaborating with him and today you’re calling him a sociopath? [Actually, he called me a psychopath.] Something smells fishy about this.”

Jul 7 at 3:30pm

[Other voices:] Joe Best calls me a psychopath about 10 times.

The easily-made claim that I don’t accept criticism is, in fact, easily refuted: I have a 47 minute long video that does nothing but respond to criticism (although that criticism was rather rude, included personal insults, etc.) to give just one example out of many (on a channel with over 500 videos, etc.).

[Title:] Martyrs Make Lousy Leaders: Beyond Gary Yourofsky.

[Link:] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UesYWGqb3d4

HOWEVER, just calling me a psychopath is not “criticism”. I’d really be very eager to respond to anyone who criticized my political views (about veganism or otherwise) —e.g., if Joe Best criticized what I said about political organization in the movement, if he criticized what I said in a book review, or what I say about vivisection, domestication, etc. etc.

But that ain’t what this is. This isn’t criticism that anyone could reply to productively: it really isn’t about the movement —and it isn’t even about me.

As in my interactions with two other vegan youtubers lately, I really can’t understand how these selfsame people pretend to be SO OFFENDED by (e.g.) my comments on Nina and Randa, while they find no fault in themselves when they post this kind of crude character-assassination.

The easily-made claim that I don’t accept criticism is, in fact, easily refuted: I have a 47 minute long video that does nothing but respond to criticism (although that criticism was rather rude, included personal insults, etc.) to give just one example out of many (on a channel with over 500 videos, etc.).

[Title:] Martyrs Make Lousy Leaders: Beyond Gary Yourofsky.

[Link:] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UesYWGqb3d4

HOWEVER, just calling me a psychopath is not “criticism”. I’d really be very eager to respond to anyone who criticized my political views (about veganism or otherwise) —e.g., if Joe Best criticized what I said about political organization in the movement, if he criticized what I said in a book review, or what I say about vivisection, domestication, etc. etc.

But that ain’t what this is. This isn’t criticism that anyone could reply to productively: it really isn’t about the movement —and it isn’t even about me.

As in my interactions with two other vegan youtubers lately, I really can’t understand how these selfsame people pretend to be SO OFFENDED by (e.g.) my comments on Nina and Randa, while they find no fault in themselves when they post this kind of crude character-assassination.

Alena

Veganism is for everyone, including idiots or people we don’t like. This is what happens when idiots join the movement and create usless and actually harmfull content like this video that I’m not going to watch. I think the problem is you are very confident and state your opinions bluntly (like saying to Josh “I think you are an idiot. I question your intellectual integrity. Just listen to yourself “) Most people are used to more tact in interpersonal communication and would consider you rude. The fact you seem to have no problem with this behaviour alienates many, I think. I feel like some things you say are belittling, offensive even if they are true. The directness and confidence, the simple fact you dare to say them is not how most mortals communicate. My own husband is a bit like that too. He isn’t shy to call his employees or relatives stupid in their face, and some people dislike him or are afraid of him. I just accept it, that’s part of his caracter, people are different. I also understand that men communicate in a different way than women. I’m torn whether to admire your bluntness or to disapprove of it. But it’s surelly amusing to watch. I wonder if you consider yourself rude at times? You studied politics, is it important for politicians to be diplomatic and tactful in general for a successful career? If you become a head of a vegan organisation, would you still be calling vegan authors idiots for example? Do you think you are controversial? YouTube world is like a political scene in a way and you made a lot of enemies. I think part of it is herd mentality. Like kids who bully someone simply because others do. It’s “trendy” to hate on Eisel, so all the trolls jump on the bandwagon and anyone else who ever had a fall out with you. It unites them in a way. It’s sad to see.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “I wonder if you consider yourself rude at times?” Sure, but these people I’m “debating” with (not really debates) don’t hold themselves to any such standard (as they would hold me to). Josh phoned my ex-wife and threw absurd allegations/insults in my face in that conversation —much worse than anything I said to him (and, likewise, he stated publicly that I should not have the right to see my own daughter, he made criminal allegations against me, claimed I worked for the C.I.A., etc. etc., in the worst way possible). So, in that context, my “rudeness” is a rather venial sin (and I did reach out to him positively to record the podcast in the first place, etc.). I could say something parallel about Joe Best in this scenario, etc. etc.

Jul 7 at 3:03pm

[Podcast version:] I’m not cool with Joe Best… etc.

joe_best_live.mp3

Well, if you listen to this as an MP3, you miss out on seeing us in bathrobes in Beijing… but, otherwise, no special effects, no text on-screen, etc.

Jul 6 at 9:20am

NorVegan says I can’t handle criticism… about Nina and Randa?

It is completely dishonest —completely— for Norvegan to pretend that any “breakdown in communication” was due to Nina-and-Randa.

NorVegan seems to be extremely self-pitying —and he seems to be trying to manufacture yet-more-drama out of a banal situation.

Anyone who watches my channel regularly must realize that I’d be willing to have Norvegan appear in a Skype call (or Younow live-stream, etc.) —and if he wanted to talk about Nina and Randa, I could have a totally relaxed conversation about that. So, yes, this is a really bizarre sleight from NorVegan —especially given the fact that he has asked me NOT to discuss the situation (nor to discuss anything concerning his girlfriend on my channel).*

* [I would have mentioned Josh’s bizarre invectives against Hannah Chloe (in the infamous Vegan Revolution interview) if NorVegan had not made this request that I avoid discussing her.]

It is completely dishonest —completely— for Norvegan to pretend that any “breakdown in communication” was due to Nina-and-Randa.

NorVegan seems to be extremely self-pitying —and he seems to be trying to manufacture yet-more-drama out of a banal situation.

Anyone who watches my channel regularly must realize that I’d be willing to have Norvegan appear in a Skype call (or Younow live-stream, etc.) —and if he wanted to talk about Nina and Randa, I could have a totally relaxed conversation about that. So, yes, this is a really bizarre sleight from NorVegan —especially given the fact that he has asked me NOT to discuss the situation (nor to discuss anything concerning his girlfriend on my channel).*

* [I would have mentioned Josh’s bizarre invectives against Hannah Chloe (in the infamous Vegan Revolution interview) if NorVegan had not made this request that I avoid discussing her.]

Jul 6 at 9:10am

Meeting the Mom.

My mother is wearing an agate stone that I gave her as a gift just a few hours earlier (as a part of this meeting/reunion). Yep, we dragged her to a vegan restaurant in Beijing.

Jul 6 at 8:07am

I’m not cool with Joe Best: Digital Demimonde Drama Discussion.

NotKurtis

Alliteration: a new creative direction for ABLC Broadcasting???

Eisel Mazard

You’d have to discuss that with Morty: his new job title is, “Creative Director”.

Jul 6 at 2:53am

Most “Lit” Broadcast Ever: Beijing Airport LIVE!

TWO HOURS SOLID from an airport lobby. It was really hilarious. We “recruited” talent from the crowd (as you can even see in this short clip). I wonder if anyone recorded it. A lot of Q&A about my relationship with Melissa, SOME discussion of veganism, and the blonde guy had about six beers and acted the fool throughout (no shade).

TWO HOURS SOLID from an airport lobby. It was really hilarious. We “recruited” talent from the crowd (as you can even see in this short clip). I wonder if anyone recorded it. A lot of Q&A about my relationship with Melissa, SOME discussion of veganism, and the blonde guy had about six beers and acted the fool throughout (no shade).

Jul 3 at 7:27am

Vegan Politics: The Logical Fallacies Fad.

And… now I’m flying to Beijing.

Marion Poliquin

If I had been (and still were, to some extent) Johnstone’s useful idiot to such a ludicrously high and humiliating degree, I’d be paranoid too.

Eisel Mazard

You will not be surprised to hear that he does not perceive himself that way… not at all.

Emile Bontes

Great topic! The problem with debating non-vegans who are insincere from the start about their intentions and who’s only agenda seems to be to give themselves a good feeling about their eating habits, is that by using the Socratic method you tend to give them more opportunity to strengthen their own illogical beliefs and convince others of them. So they actually force you to point out the inconsistencies in their reasoning and show them, and probably most of all the audience, that it’s wrong to have those views. I think the main goal of these “logical debates” is to convince foremost the audience, if not so much the person who is debated, of the inconsistencies and contradictions of their moral views and to show them the negative impact these views have on themselves and the world around them. I would personally love to see more emphasis on questions like; “Why don’t you care?” and “How can we make you care?” in these Vegan VS Non-Vegan debates to gain a better outcome. But maybe we should start having a debate among vegans first about how to answer these questions because these are actually much harder to answer than questions about if it’s immoral to kill animals for food.

Eisel Mazard

Talked about this comment in a live-stream; will probably make a video about it if i ever get out of this airport.

Marion Poliquin

About wasting time in Beijing Airport: I spent 21 and a half hours in Beijing Airport Terminal 3. Good times.

Emile Bontes

That’s awesome Eisel. I’m really curious about your thoughts on how to answer the “hard questions”.

Jul 2 at 6:51am

Meet me in France, Thailand or Beijing.

==TRAVEL DATES==

We’re in Beijing July 4th & 5th.

We’re in Thailand (Jomtien Beach) July 24th — July 27th.

In France we’ll be in the Côte d’Azur (Nice) from July 28th to August 15th.

If you wanna get in touch with me, BTW, Patreon is the way to do it:

https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel

==TRAVEL DATES==

We’re in Beijing July 4th & 5th.

We’re in Thailand (Jomtien Beach) July 24th — July 27th.

In France we’ll be in the Côte d’Azur (Nice) from July 28th to August 15th.

If you wanna get in touch with me, BTW, Patreon is the way to do it:

https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel

Tom Lewis

Ah! I’m will be flying back to Frankfurt from just outside of Nice the weekend before! Fancy meeting me in Gda´nsk, Poland instead? haha

Eisel Mazard

Henh! More connections to the south of France than I would have guessed in this Patreon group.

Richard

I live in France during the summer – nowhere near Nice though. My place is in Mayenne. From what I remember of my trip to Nice in 2014, there was only one 100% vegan restaurant run by a little old lady from California.

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: our landlord sent us a hopeful message, indicating that there were at least three downtown… however, he isn’t vegan himself, so “we’ll see”. Fundamentally, France has the advantage of soy-yogurt in the grocery stores: I may just eat bread and soy-yog the whole time.

Jul 1 at 12:44pm

Vegan Footsoldier: Haunted by my Past Videos on Nina & Randa?

Footsoldier,

At both a deep and a shallow level, I think the problem is that you’ve watched very few of my videos: I have a video (15 min) just uploaded a few hours ago, in which I’m talking to Klaus (of Plant Based News) in the middle of a very “hot” dispute (we didn’t hate each-other, but there was real friction/tension between us).

Very generally speaking, in ways both deep and shallow, I’m both “not the type of guy” you think I am —and I’m not the specific guy that you think I am.

Really, genuinely, e.g., I went back and listened to my most offensive video on Nina and Randa (just now, after walking up a mountain) because you claimed you were offended by what I dared to say about them. Here’s the link before I continue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcMZ-M0WKs

It’s 15 minutes long, but I think you’d get the point (and the tone) after about 7 minutes: I honestly (HONESTLY) do not think the video is offensive —and I honestly (HONESTLY) do not think it is sexist. I discuss Nina and Randa in the comparative context of Will Tuttle and Gary Francione, and I talk about the extent to which physical appearance shouldn’t matter (ideally) but sometimes it does, etc.

Now, do I believe that NOBODY would be offended by that video? No, I think SOME PEOPLE would be offended by that video (but, really, I think you haven’t seen it, and you really imagine it to be very different from what it is).

HOWEVER, someone who is a fan of Durianrider should be used to much, much more harsh/castigating/offensive content. That’s the part that baffles me.

If someone is even an ex-fan of Durianrider (or, e.g., The Amazing Atheist) I don’t see how it’s possible that they’d be offended by that video about Nina and Randa (link above).

For me, it is not a fallacy to ask, “Why not hold Durianrider to the same standard?”

More generally, I’d just say: in politics, people often use fallacies, and you still need to treat their argument “in good faith” as an imperfect expression of a real problem/situation. To give an example (of the same type of fallacy: _tu quoque_) I have been in situations where people really say, “Well, country _x_ killed over a million people in this mass-murder, but how can you criticize it when country _y_ also killed over a million people in the same decade?” That may indeed be a fallacy, but it is also a human being making an imperfect attempt to describe a real, complex situation that the political debate needs to deal with (e.g., mass-murder in Cambodia did not happen in a vacuum: no, some other mass-murder isn’t an excuse, but people really do raise comparisons, and questions of, “Why is Cambodia held to a different standard than some other country?”).

You say:

> 1) you accuse me of general non specific wrongdoing…

No, again, I think this is really a product of your having watched very few of my videos: I’m not making accusations. I’m really just trying to have a reasonable conversation with you —and you’re being (from my perspective) unreasonable.

> I am *questioning *someone who is making accusations, that is not objective wrongdoing.

You seem to really think of this conversation as “a witch-hunt”, as if my point/objective is to pin you down on a specific wrongdoing. That is really the opposite of my intention: I’m giving you the opportunity to do something positive (even if that is just speaking in a reasonable way about your past unreasonableness) SO THAT THE PODCAST WILL PROCEED ON MORE OF A POSITIVE FOOTING.

The last thing I would want to do is go back through every video (and every youtube comment) you’ve made to pin down your “past wrongdoings”.

Again, this may reflect something about your own character, or it may reflect something about the character of people you’re used to dealing with in the past.

In general, again, I think you suffer from a lack of familiarity with my actual content (as opposed to mean things people SAY about my content: the gap between what you think I said about Nina-and-Randa and what I actually said is an instructive example —but, generally, you’ve spent a lot of time listening to Durianrider and comment-section-trolls about me, with relatively little awareness of how far removed these people are from reality).

> 2) If I am correct in my assumption, you would like me to publicly apologise to you…

No, again, that’s totally wrong: that’s not the way I deal with people, that’s not the way I deal with problems, and that’s not the way I talk to people in podcasts (see my new video talking to Klaus, or see 100 other examples).

I’m not trying to force an apology out of you at all, and, as stated above, I do not want to create a “catalogue of wrongdoing” or anything of the sort.

> because a feeling of indignation I have caused you.

I don’t feel indignation: if I’m going to be honest, I do feel astounded at your stupidity, because, e.g., it just seems amazingly stupid to me that (e.g.) you would still ask Durianrider what “the truth” was on a topic he’d repeatedly lied about (and that he’d been proven to have lied about), etc. etc. —but this doesn’t make me feel indignation, it just makes me feel astounded at how stupid you are.

I do mean that honestly: in this example (e.g.) I don’t think you were trying to harm me, and I don’t think you were being mean-spirited from your own perspective, you really were stupid enough to sincerely write a letter to Durianrider asking him “to set the record straight” —despite the MOUNTAIN of evidence that I’d been telling the truth, and he’d told an enormous variety of lies (concerning this knot of related issues). And, yes, at the same time, you were refusing to talk to me, refusing to hear my side of the story, and you were refusing to speak to me via Skype, etc. —but all of that seems to be rooted in stupidity (not evil) from my perspective. You’ve also stated that you have regrets about your past conduct in this category, and that, also, must reflect some kind of better wisdom / hindsight on your part.

> I do not apologise for making response videos directly to you and i don’t feel I have substantially misrepresented you.

Oh, okay: well I’m not angry about it, but your response videos really do misrepresent me.

They often edit out the point of what I’m saying, and respond to a segment of a sentence taken out of context and badly misunderstood, etc. —I attributed this to a mix of stupidity and malice on your part, but it may have been pure stupidity. You also do, often, state things that are factually untrue (based on internet rumors, Durianrider or whatever misc. assumptions) although I believe you when you say that you’re genuinely UNAWARE of how untrue they are. There are many examples of this in your videos (and you’ve said you’re not interested in discussing it, but) and these are genuine “misrepresentations”, i.e., not necessarily intentional lies on your part (as you’ve been misled yourself, as well as misleading others). One very simple example of this was your claim (made self-righteously and repeatedly) that I did nothing to create peace in the community: this is untrue —and it is untrue to an absolutely absurd extent. Many of the other specific claims you made about what I did in Chiang Mai (and what I didn’t do) are GENUINELY FALSE. Again, I assume you’re unaware of this (thus you keep repeating that your videos aren’t misleading, when they are) and I don’t assume you’re acting with malice (whereas other people like Vegan Cheetah really do act with malice in this way, intentionally inventing lies). Your assumptions about what my intentions were (in doing/not-doing various things) is, thus, even more false.

However, I did not respond to this by trying to pin you to a specific set of complaints: I responded by asking in an open-ended way if the recent documentaries by Norvegan made any impact on you. You consider yourself an intelligent man: I assume that part 3 (e.g.) would have really shocked you into realizing how many of your assumptions/claims about me were false —but perhaps it didn’t have this effect on you.

> Sunday 17:00 Beijing time (11:00 Berlin time).

I have to go to a dinner-party (celebrating the birth of a new professor’s baby), so I’d need to make the call either earlier or later.

> The thing is, if you wilfully disregard the nature of the podcast and start attacking the host live on air, it will only look bad on you…

Again, I think you really suffer from a lack of having seen my actual videos (or examples of my actual podcasts/discussions with other youtubers, etc.).

E.M.

Footsoldier,

At both a deep and a shallow level, I think the problem is that you’ve watched very few of my videos: I have a video (15 min) just uploaded a few hours ago, in which I’m talking to Klaus (of Plant Based News) in the middle of a very “hot” dispute (we didn’t hate each-other, but there was real friction/tension between us).

Very generally speaking, in ways both deep and shallow, I’m both “not the type of guy” you think I am —and I’m not the specific guy that you think I am.

Really, genuinely, e.g., I went back and listened to my most offensive video on Nina and Randa (just now, after walking up a mountain) because you claimed you were offended by what I dared to say about them. Here’s the link before I continue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XcMZ-M0WKs

It’s 15 minutes long, but I think you’d get the point (and the tone) after about 7 minutes: I honestly (HONESTLY) do not think the video is offensive —and I honestly (HONESTLY) do not think it is sexist. I discuss Nina and Randa in the comparative context of Will Tuttle and Gary Francione, and I talk about the extent to which physical appearance shouldn’t matter (ideally) but sometimes it does, etc.

Now, do I believe that NOBODY would be offended by that video? No, I think SOME PEOPLE would be offended by that video (but, really, I think you haven’t seen it, and you really imagine it to be very different from what it is).

HOWEVER, someone who is a fan of Durianrider should be used to much, much more harsh/castigating/offensive content. That’s the part that baffles me.

If someone is even an ex-fan of Durianrider (or, e.g., The Amazing Atheist) I don’t see how it’s possible that they’d be offended by that video about Nina and Randa (link above).

For me, it is not a fallacy to ask, “Why not hold Durianrider to the same standard?”

More generally, I’d just say: in politics, people often use fallacies, and you still need to treat their argument “in good faith” as an imperfect expression of a real problem/situation. To give an example (of the same type of fallacy: _tu quoque_) I have been in situations where people really say, “Well, country _x_ killed over a million people in this mass-murder, but how can you criticize it when country _y_ also killed over a million people in the same decade?” That may indeed be a fallacy, but it is also a human being making an imperfect attempt to describe a real, complex situation that the political debate needs to deal with (e.g., mass-murder in Cambodia did not happen in a vacuum: no, some other mass-murder isn’t an excuse, but people really do raise comparisons, and questions of, “Why is Cambodia held to a different standard than some other country?”).

You say:

> 1) you accuse me of general non specific wrongdoing…

No, again, I think this is really a product of your having watched very few of my videos: I’m not making accusations. I’m really just trying to have a reasonable conversation with you —and you’re being (from my perspective) unreasonable.

> I am *questioning *someone who is making accusations, that is not objective wrongdoing.

You seem to really think of this conversation as “a witch-hunt”, as if my point/objective is to pin you down on a specific wrongdoing. That is really the opposite of my intention: I’m giving you the opportunity to do something positive (even if that is just speaking in a reasonable way about your past unreasonableness) SO THAT THE PODCAST WILL PROCEED ON MORE OF A POSITIVE FOOTING.

The last thing I would want to do is go back through every video (and every youtube comment) you’ve made to pin down your “past wrongdoings”.

Again, this may reflect something about your own character, or it may reflect something about the character of people you’re used to dealing with in the past.

In general, again, I think you suffer from a lack of familiarity with my actual content (as opposed to mean things people SAY about my content: the gap between what you think I said about Nina-and-Randa and what I actually said is an instructive example —but, generally, you’ve spent a lot of time listening to Durianrider and comment-section-trolls about me, with relatively little awareness of how far removed these people are from reality).

> 2) If I am correct in my assumption, you would like me to publicly apologise to you…

No, again, that’s totally wrong: that’s not the way I deal with people, that’s not the way I deal with problems, and that’s not the way I talk to people in podcasts (see my new video talking to Klaus, or see 100 other examples).

I’m not trying to force an apology out of you at all, and, as stated above, I do not want to create a “catalogue of wrongdoing” or anything of the sort.

> because a feeling of indignation I have caused you.

I don’t feel indignation: if I’m going to be honest, I do feel astounded at your stupidity, because, e.g., it just seems amazingly stupid to me that (e.g.) you would still ask Durianrider what “the truth” was on a topic he’d repeatedly lied about (and that he’d been proven to have lied about), etc. etc. —but this doesn’t make me feel indignation, it just makes me feel astounded at how stupid you are.

I do mean that honestly: in this example (e.g.) I don’t think you were trying to harm me, and I don’t think you were being mean-spirited from your own perspective, you really were stupid enough to sincerely write a letter to Durianrider asking him “to set the record straight” —despite the MOUNTAIN of evidence that I’d been telling the truth, and he’d told an enormous variety of lies (concerning this knot of related issues). And, yes, at the same time, you were refusing to talk to me, refusing to hear my side of the story, and you were refusing to speak to me via Skype, etc. —but all of that seems to be rooted in stupidity (not evil) from my perspective. You’ve also stated that you have regrets about your past conduct in this category, and that, also, must reflect some kind of better wisdom / hindsight on your part.

> I do not apologise for making response videos directly to you and i don’t feel I have substantially misrepresented you.

Oh, okay: well I’m not angry about it, but your response videos really do misrepresent me.

They often edit out the point of what I’m saying, and respond to a segment of a sentence taken out of context and badly misunderstood, etc. —I attributed this to a mix of stupidity and malice on your part, but it may have been pure stupidity. You also do, often, state things that are factually untrue (based on internet rumors, Durianrider or whatever misc. assumptions) although I believe you when you say that you’re genuinely UNAWARE of how untrue they are. There are many examples of this in your videos (and you’ve said you’re not interested in discussing it, but) and these are genuine “misrepresentations”, i.e., not necessarily intentional lies on your part (as you’ve been misled yourself, as well as misleading others). One very simple example of this was your claim (made self-righteously and repeatedly) that I did nothing to create peace in the community: this is untrue —and it is untrue to an absolutely absurd extent. Many of the other specific claims you made about what I did in Chiang Mai (and what I didn’t do) are GENUINELY FALSE. Again, I assume you’re unaware of this (thus you keep repeating that your videos aren’t misleading, when they are) and I don’t assume you’re acting with malice (whereas other people like Vegan Cheetah really do act with malice in this way, intentionally inventing lies). Your assumptions about what my intentions were (in doing/not-doing various things) is, thus, even more false.

However, I did not respond to this by trying to pin you to a specific set of complaints: I responded by asking in an open-ended way if the recent documentaries by Norvegan made any impact on you. You consider yourself an intelligent man: I assume that part 3 (e.g.) would have really shocked you into realizing how many of your assumptions/claims about me were false —but perhaps it didn’t have this effect on you.

> Sunday 17:00 Beijing time (11:00 Berlin time).

I have to go to a dinner-party (celebrating the birth of a new professor’s baby), so I’d need to make the call either earlier or later.

> The thing is, if you wilfully disregard the nature of the podcast and start attacking the host live on air, it will only look bad on you…

Again, I think you really suffer from a lack of having seen my actual videos (or examples of my actual podcasts/discussions with other youtubers, etc.).

E.M.

Jul 1 at 5:45am

Plant Based News talks to à-bas-le-ciel

Will Klaus Mitchell and Eisel Mazard ever patch it up? No, probably not. BTW, I’d like to make a video (ASAP) talking about the absurd feud between Gary Francione and Melanie Joy… this is a recurrent feature within veganism, at all levels, and in all categories… although, as you’ll hear in this recording, I do reach out positively to other youtubers in general, and I reached out positively to Klaus, specifically, even in a tense situation such as this: Klaus did make a video (that he has now deleted) in which he referred to my court case as “a scam”, backing up lies that were then created by Durianrider and Vegan Cheetah.

Will Klaus Mitchell and Eisel Mazard ever patch it up? No, probably not. BTW, I’d like to make a video (ASAP) talking about the absurd feud between Gary Francione and Melanie Joy… this is a recurrent feature within veganism, at all levels, and in all categories… although, as you’ll hear in this recording, I do reach out positively to other youtubers in general, and I reached out positively to Klaus, specifically, even in a tense situation such as this: Klaus did make a video (that he has now deleted) in which he referred to my court case as “a scam”, backing up lies that were then created by Durianrider and Vegan Cheetah.

Alena

C’mon.. if you can’t patch it up with a likable guy like Klaus, then with whom you can? He apologised and removed the video He sounded pretty humble and friendly to me. I look forward to him showing you the vegan community in UK and making somd videos with you.

Eisel Mazard

Hey, totally reasonable question, but I tried FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS to patch it up with Klaus: during that time, he sent me quite a bit of “fan mail” for how much he appreciated specific videos on my channel (and at least one message objecting to a video, that was totally “fair enough”, i.e., he was expressing a dissenting opinion as a viewer). However, Klaus basically freaked out when (after my day in court) I wrote to him on Twitter, drawing his attention to the fact that he’d never apologized for (nor corrected) his video describing my court-case as “a scam”. After that, Klaus has basically never spoken to me again.Load 1 reply

Jun 30 at 9:25pm

“Vegan” is a trademark worth $500,000 per year.

The Vegan Police

The logo is protected internationally. In Australia it is protected under classes 3, 10, 29. 33 https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/1214732/details Essentially, what it means is that if the logo is used in those classes that they can hit you up for a fee to use the logo, or get you to legally remove it as it is infringing on their copyright. What makes things even more interesting is that the term “animal liberation” is also protected in Australia. Unfortunately, that is by a group that is based on the book by Singer, and doesn’t do anything to actually “liberate” other animals…

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in with this, T.V.P. I have nothing intelligent to say in reply, I just wanted to write SOMETHING to show that I appreciate this kind of information being posted to the forum.

Theo Slade

Heya, it’s an interesting subject so cleaned up the auto transcript into essay form: As I mentioned in a few videos recently, I am the sort of guy who reads annual financial reports from major vegan foundations and institutions because I’m trying to learn from their experience. I’m trying to learn from what they’re doing right and what they’re doing wrong. And I was surprised when I found in the pages of the Vegan Society’s Annual Report, they claim that the word vegan is their trademark. Not only do they have the word trademarked, they are successfully using this trademark to generate quite a lot of money, you can see the exact amount of money in British pounds on screen, it works out to be more than half a million U.S. dollars per year. That’s a surprise, I think for anyone who conceives of veganism as a political movement, as an ideology, or even as a diet, you’re shocked to find out that the word vegan is held as a trademark. If it’s going to be held as a trademark, I’m happy to learn that the vegan society owns it as a trademark and it’s not owned by some other for-profit company or entity or corporation, that’d be even stranger. But nevertheless, I can’t say I’m really comfortable with the idea of anyone having a trademark on the word vegan, I don’t think anyone can be comfortable with seeing that there’s a trademark on their own political ideology. And I have over the years seen some products avoid using the word vegan, they use these other terms like plant-based, or they just have a whole other sentence on the package saying it “does not contain any animal products or any animal derived products.” It never occurred to me that some of those products might be avoiding the use of the word ‘vegan,’ because it was trademarked or because there’d be an expectation for them to actually pay money to a foundation or agency, to be able to use the word. Now I don’t have any reason to think that the vegan society is abusing their power in holding this trademark, I’d be very interested even to know if anyone wants to email me if they’ve heard something or read something about what the implications of this are for companies who are using the word vegan. I just feel that we already have too much of a problem, with individuals and political movements avoiding the word vegan. It’d be a much longer video if I got into that, but I’ve seen that, I’ve even seen formal political movements within Canada that said no, they didn’t want to use the word vegan, that we’re using these other complex terms about animal rights and ecology and what-have-you. And I really do like the simplicity and directness and honesty of the word vegan, I like its simplicity in a reference to a diet and ethics and ecology and as a political heading. I don’t want to stop using the word vegan because someone, somewhere, holds a trademark, has the copyright, has the exclusive rights to determine what isn’t vegan. I felt as though this was a word that all of us owned, and all of us participated in and that all of us were working towards. You know starting out for ourselves with veganism met in our own lives and yeah it comes as a bit of a shock, it is fundamentally a little bit weird to find out that no, it’s a trademark, even if it’s the vegan society themselves they hold that trademark and that it’s a trademark that is being milked for half a million dollars a year. ____ A philosopher I like trademarked their video series ‘Think for a change’ – https://coriwong.com/my-philifesophy/ And I had a knee jerk reaction of distaste when I read it aha, though I’m sure they had perfectly valid reasons, of being a struggling writer trying to make a buck. I’m for copy-left creative commons which basically means use and share liberally as long as no profit is being made unfairly claiming an other’s work.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks, I can copy-and-paste this into the “transcript” function of Youtube.

Lawrence S Taylor

I am surprised to first learn this after being vegan for 5 years now.

Eisel Mazard

I feel the same way.

Richard

I have some experience of both registering trademarks for my businesses and the legal issues involved when I’ve infringed on trademarks owned by other entities (albeit accidentally). The Vegan Society registered a trademark back in 1990, the text of which only contains the word “Vegan”. The trademark is for the COMPLETE logo and protects its use. The trademark doesn’t grant the society the exclusive use of the word “vegan” – no matter what their website says. You can see their registered trademark here (note the Mark Details section): https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00001418381 A search on the same website shows many other organisations have also registered marks that contain the word “vegan” – something that couldn’t happen if The Vegan Society had exclusive use of that word. Here are some examples: https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/4/EU015253271 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003062646 https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003127113 The long and short is that The Vegan Society registered a trademark for their sunflower vegan logo and they licence the use of that unique logo to companies who produce vegan products. Companies do not have to use The Vegan Society’s logo; they’re free to create their own vegan logo (as other food vegan producers have done) or just write the word “vegan” somewhere on the packaging. Companies pay to use the official Vegan Society logo because it gives the product credibility – and I imagine the society will also promote these products on their website. I’ve seen this trademark (logo) used on restaurant menus and at vegan events, and almost certainly this usage infringes on The Vegan Society’s intellectual property. I’ve also seen alternative vegan logos using parts of this registered trademark – just Google “vegan logo” for examples. The Vegan Society can take legal action against anybody who uses their logo (or parts of it) without their permission.

Eisel Mazard

Thank you very much for writing in with this information, Richard. I will have to make a follow-up video (and I’ll “unlist” the original video when I do). The strange thing is that the Vegan Society seems to be intentionally misleading people on the issue (i.e., they pretend that this is something other than just licensing a particular logo).

Jun 30 at 2:34pm

Letter from a viewer, not (yet?) vegan.

Pauline

I do wonder, when I see people – on Facebook for example – posting 5 or 6 vegan or AR related (often very passionate and emotive) posts a day (every day) – and nothing else – how vegans must come across to the nonvegans in their circle. I can see how people get totally consumed with the issues and frustrated and upset that there seems to be so little change, that so few seem to see what they see, but coming over as obsessive or one-dimensional probably isn’t the best way to get “outsiders” to relate to us, people who don’t care a jot about what we care about. I think we should show some restraint when posting publicly and find a range of ways of trying to win people over, hard though that may be. People can become irritated and lose sympathy when they think we don’t care about anything else in life. We’re talking about very, very deep-seated cultural attitudes here, and so many still think of nonhuman animals as one up from objects, worthy of little consideration.

Eisel Mazard

I hope to make a video about it soon, but I think the contrast between G. Francione and M. Joy on this is “illustrative” of this issue: M. Joy is very much preoccupied with how “invisible” veganism is from the meat-eater’s perspective, and Francione can only respond to that with over-the-top outrage (“Of course it isn’t invisible!!!”). I think vegans need a healthy awareness of their own invisibility (or incomprehensibility) from the perspective of the majority. Even if it is just to prevent us from going insane.

Jun 30 at 5:10am

Dead-End Losers & the “Attainable Fantasy” of Youtube Fame.

This includes an account of meeting “Angry Vegan” in Chiang Mai, Thailand (he is one of the last die-hard supporters of Durianrider, and he is, also, one of the last die-hard believers in the fantasy of gaining youtube fame by imitating Durianrider’s methods/content).

James Newman

When do you plan to be in France? I may be in Montpellier sometime in September.

Eisel Mazard

I’ll posts the dates soon —but no, it’ll be August, not September.

NotKurtis

Aye dogg, where my mp3 at?

Eisel Mazard

Oh, okay… will do.

Jun 30 at 4:21am

Out of Limbo? Career, Education, Ambition & Vegan Activism.

“Real life” talk with the girlfriend.

Alena

Have you ever considered UAE as a place where you could be teaching while getting a degree yourself? English teachers are in high demand here and salaries are higher than in Asia. Maybe you could teach history, politics, philosophy at some university and study there at the same time. We have many English speaking expats working in various fields and particularly in education. I think there are opportunities here. Just an idea.

Alexa

U! S! A! U! S! A!

Brendan Cross

If you move to Seattle, dinner’s on me at our finest vegan establishment!

Jun 29 at 3:58am

Beginnings and Endings: Durianrider, Freelee, NorVegan’s “Unmasking” & Me.

Check out my earlier, more interesting video, “The wonder that was Freelee”, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJd6wQlMW5Y

Novegan’s two hour long documentary is titled, “THE UNMASKING, part 3: The Projections”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5n_e8he_rk

Check out my earlier, more interesting video, “The wonder that was Freelee”, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJd6wQlMW5Y

Novegan’s two hour long documentary is titled, “THE UNMASKING, part 3: The Projections”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5n_e8he_rk

Katherine de Roet

Really, really enjoyed this. I started trying to move towards a vegan diet about a year ago so I began to look online for advice etc and unfortunately came across Harley/DR on one of my first searches. Even worse, it was right around the time of all the rt4 bike fest shite. Right from the beginning, DR’s behaviour absolutely HORRIFIED and disgusted me to the point where I started to think all vegans were insane and I didn’t want to be painted with the same brush by association. I’m a bit embarrassed to admit that as I know that sounds bad, but considering I saw his videos during my “introduction” to the “online community”, it was a case of first impressions lasting. Thankfully I found dom bower and you as well as few other creators in the nick of time lol I’m so glad your name is being cleared and DR is being exposed for what he is. Good on you for sticking to your guns and keeping your class through this whole shit show I really like the diversity of your content and I’m looking forward to the future of your channel. Cheers!

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for writing in: it is actually interesting for me to hear that people like particular videos (as bland/general as that may seem) —as I felt this video wasn’t really edgy/raw enough (didn’t really push home any new conclusions, etc.) and I was left wondering if I should upload it at all, TBH. So, yes, it is interesting for me even to hear the first sentence out of this comment (i.e., that a long-time viewer and Patreon supporter enjoyed it / found it interesting). Of course, my feeling about the video, also, probably just reflects “Durianrider fatigue” on my part.

Jun 28 at 3:40am

Two Hour Documentary: Me vs. Durianrider.

This is the documentary that was mentioned/foreshadowed within Patreon months ago, now published under the title, “THE UNMASKING, part 3: The Projections”.

It is two hours long, and, at this moment, I haven’t even seen ten seconds of it (i.e., I’m posting it to Patreon before viewing it myself).

This is the documentary that was mentioned/foreshadowed within Patreon months ago, now published under the title, “THE UNMASKING, part 3: The Projections”.

It is two hours long, and, at this moment, I haven’t even seen ten seconds of it (i.e., I’m posting it to Patreon before viewing it myself).

NotKurtis

Well, gonna have to find me some vegan popcorn for tonight.

Jun 27 at 6:08am

[Podcast Version:] Brass Tacks: Authority in Vegan Organizations.

Authority_cooked.mp3

Yep, for the cynical vegan on the go, this is the podcast version of the video posted here a few hours ago (in black and white), “Brass Tacks: Authority in Vegan Organizations.”

Jun 27 at 5:59am

Not Vegan: Sperm Whale Hair Conditioner.

Killing whales to make hair-care products? Yep, it happens. Apparently, in 2017, the sperm whale is STILL being hunted to manufacture beauty products out of a fluid found in their heads… in some countries… and China is one of them.

[BTW, I think I WILL post this publicly after a few days… so it is just temporarily patreon-exclusive. This certainly has a lighter tone than the black and white video just posted before it.]

Killing whales to make hair-care products? Yep, it happens. Apparently, in 2017, the sperm whale is STILL being hunted to manufacture beauty products out of a fluid found in their heads… in some countries… and China is one of them.

[BTW, I think I WILL post this publicly after a few days… so it is just temporarily patreon-exclusive. This certainly has a lighter tone than the black and white video just posted before it.]

NotKurtis

Vegan Revolution would argue that, as a bald* man, you’re unqualified to discuss hair care. *he would intentionally emphasize “bald” to try to baldness-shame you despite the fact that you clearly have shaved your head since forever

Eisel Mazard

And yet I’m eminently qualified to give a bald perspective on hair-care. ;-)Load 1 reply

Alena

I’ve seen a toothpaste, “Zendium” that has milk proteins and egg whites. There’s also body soap with camel and goat milk available here. Once I was gifted with a bottle of snail oil that has anti wrinkle properties. Imagine smearing slug slime all over your face. A vegan can view such products as weird and disgusting, and the use of animal components as obsolete and actually being a disadvantage of the product. While many non-vegans view the usage of such natural animal components as a product’s advantage. Such products are often marketed as natural, pure, better, traditional, healing. Many traditional remedies contain animal components. My father, a veterinarian in rural Russia, used to make a medicine for cold with dog and geese fat for example. From one hand we have people who don’t want to see animal components in their food, cosmetics and medicines in 21 century. Then there are those in “natural living movement” who actually value traditional products that have animal ingredients. Such clashing views in the modern world, such different perception. It’s similar how most people are ready to pay lots of money for an expensive leather bag because it’s “genuine” leather, a prestigious object of desire. While a minority doesn’t want leather goods exactly because they are leather. Such a long way to go before the culture, the perception of animal-derived goods changes.

Eisel Mazard

You have to admit: “Zendium” could be a great name for a youtube channel.

NotKurtis

Finally got around to watching this. Don’t worry guys Australia got your back (in between eating our national animals). In the last 5 years I’ve gone from buying shampoo online by necessity to having 5-10 vegan (and labelled so), affordable shampoos on the mainstream supermarket shelves, so that’s a big positive.

Timothy William Basham

This makes me wonder, where is the demand for whale oil hair conditioner? Is this the most economical way of attaining the desired effect of the conditioner, do consumers insist on putting spermaceti in their hair?

Eisel Mazard

Searching on the internet, I found remarkably little (in English) responding to this phenomenon (within China or otherwise).

Alexa

Yeah, my understanding is also that China has laws requiring animal testing for all beauty products sold on the mainland. Even if it means post-market testing of foreign products. Makes it nigh-impossible to find truly “vegan” Asian beauty products. (EDIT: Actually, I guess requirements for animal testing on foreign brands is even more strict… Chinese brands manufactured there aren’t always required to do animal testing [though they still can and usually do] but foreign brands generally have to be tested. The requirements don’t apply to foreign products purchased online though, only ones physically sold in China, so I guess if you want to take on the financial burden of having all your hair products shipped from overseas…)

Eisel Mazard

China has had such a long string of health scandals (e.g., poison baby-formula, etc.) that I presume this motivates the government to require more testing. Many things here follow the same pattern: it’s becoming impossible to teach English because of new legislation/restrictions that would (SUPPOSEDLY) keep “bad” English teachers out (but it’ll just keep everyone out), etc.

ModVegan

One thing I’m curious about – is it the oil that’s being used? Or ambergris? Because ambergris is cruelty free, though not vegan (since it comes from an animal). Ambergris is used for scent, I have no idea what the appeal of whale oil would be for anyone who has access to petroleum (or pretty much any other oil).

Eisel Mazard

It is the “wax” from inside the head of the whale: “spermaceti wax”. This is not ambergris. It is a bodily fluid.

Jun 27 at 4:47am

Brass Tacks: Authority in Vegan Organizations.

ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR [Ep. 010]

https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel (Support this channel for $1 per month. The comments section is on Patreon.)

Footnote: the ultimate origin of the quotation (from the F.B.I. director) is R.W. Emerson, “An Institution Is The Lengthened Shadow Of One Man”.

ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR [Ep. 010]

https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel (Support this channel for $1 per month. The comments section is on Patreon.)

Footnote: the ultimate origin of the quotation (from the F.B.I. director) is R.W. Emerson, “An Institution Is The Lengthened Shadow Of One Man”.

Dynamic Eye Studios

I really loved this video. When I was homeless I would show up at the DXE headquarters to get free vegan food including their vegan donuts and hang out with vegans. After their meeting I would ditch them for other vegan events or personal happenings with friends. I attended one disruption because it was in my home county and many of my vegan friends were going. It was interesting to experience the adrenalin rush during the disruption even thought I felt silly joining them. After the disruption they build each other up almost as a form of “aftercare” a word used in the BDSM community. Eisel, you really need to get on steemit and just do an introductory post, They are what generate the most revenue for a new user. You could get picked up by the “whales” like “teemsteam” who is vegan and he is currently catapulting Ted Carr’s posts into probability: https://steemit.com/@teamsteem Also check out the wallet of a “whale,” the social media and economic power they have over new users called minnows. https://steemit.com/@teamsteem/transfers You already have all the content, all you need to do is steemit…

Jun 25 at 5:41pm

Asking “Go Vegan World” for their Financial Details.

Hello, I’m a vegan activist (1st B.A. in political science, 2nd in Asian studies). I currently live back-and-forth between China and Canada —my primary home is on the Myanmar-China border. I have studied many examples of vegan activism (some good, some bad) and I’m genuinely interested in learning from the example of Go Vegan World. Organizations like P.E.T.A. post an annual report (stating the details of fundraising, organization, and how the money is spent, etc. —often called “form 990” in the U.S.) —I would be genuinely interested in reading an annual report of this kind for G.V.W. I have seen interviews in which Sandra Higgins is asked about the success of the advertising campaign, and she simply thanks the donors for their generosity: it would be genuinely useful for me (and other aspiring activists) to be able to see detailed reports on how that success actually works (i.e., the financial reality of that success) —even if it were just for the purpose of comparing costs, running projections, discussing the feasibility of similar projects in Canada, etc. I say again: my first diploma is in political science, and I am (genuinely) the sort of person who reads P.E.T.A. annual reports, to learn from their experience/example. Thank you for your patience in reading this message.

Hello, I’m a vegan activist (1st B.A. in political science, 2nd in Asian studies). I currently live back-and-forth between China and Canada —my primary home is on the Myanmar-China border. I have studied many examples of vegan activism (some good, some bad) and I’m genuinely interested in learning from the example of Go Vegan World. Organizations like P.E.T.A. post an annual report (stating the details of fundraising, organization, and how the money is spent, etc. —often called “form 990” in the U.S.) —I would be genuinely interested in reading an annual report of this kind for G.V.W. I have seen interviews in which Sandra Higgins is asked about the success of the advertising campaign, and she simply thanks the donors for their generosity: it would be genuinely useful for me (and other aspiring activists) to be able to see detailed reports on how that success actually works (i.e., the financial reality of that success) —even if it were just for the purpose of comparing costs, running projections, discussing the feasibility of similar projects in Canada, etc. I say again: my first diploma is in political science, and I am (genuinely) the sort of person who reads P.E.T.A. annual reports, to learn from their experience/example. Thank you for your patience in reading this message.

Pauline

I must admit, I had been wondering how they can afford it, being such a small organisation. Several years ago I thought that a billboard advertising campaign – or even just one large strategically placed advert – could be very effective. But, any time I raised it, people said advertising space is phenomenally expensive and no vegan group could afford it. I was amazed when all these posters started popping up all over the place in different arenas – some of them very large and prominent.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, the whole series of stages leading up to this success would be worth knowing: it may be that just one (millionaire) donor was responsible at the start, or it may be that they had some particular method of fundraising —at this time, I know nothing more than vague platitudes (about how generous their donors are).

Jun 24 at 6:38pm

Vegan Politics: when science doesn’t tell you what you want to hear…

The link to the article alluded to: https://medium.com/direct-action-everywhere-dxe/a-potential-summary-of-disagreements-and-agreements-on-direct-action-18fb8703f409

The link to the article alluded to: https://medium.com/direct-action-everywhere-dxe/a-potential-summary-of-disagreements-and-agreements-on-direct-action-18fb8703f409

Genevieve Jackson

I’ve got mad love for Sakars. He’s the best decision DxE has made in awhile. Like they should do his dance and song at a disruption. That would be comedy gold.

Jun 24 at 5:30pm

Dept. of Inside Jokes on the Outside.

From my twitter account: https://twitter.com/eiselmazard

It would be difficult to imagine just how few people are eagerly anticipating my interview with Vegan Footsoldier… but it is a few.

Jun 24 at 1:34pm

Living in the Moment: the Permanent Vacation Mentality.

The third and final installment of “the Ted Carr trilogy” —all three of the videos in question are, in fact, a censored version of what was originally a single, long, live broadcast.

And, yes, BTW, Ted Carr does have his own playlist, as the set of videos I’ve made about him do add up to a sort of critique of the Permanent Vacation paradigm unto themselves:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

The third and final installment of “the Ted Carr trilogy” —all three of the videos in question are, in fact, a censored version of what was originally a single, long, live broadcast.

And, yes, BTW, Ted Carr does have his own playlist, as the set of videos I’ve made about him do add up to a sort of critique of the Permanent Vacation paradigm unto themselves:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

NotKurtis

1) a family friend has worked for a British charity which travels to Kenya and teaches circus to poverty-stricken children. No shit. 2) The suggested video below this on YouTube was “car crash compilation” lol

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I knew a Canadian woman who ALLEGEDLY went to Yugoslavia (during the civil war) with some combination of circus-performing and circus-teaching… she was, however, “an unreliable narrator”, and I don’t know how much of her story I can believe.

Dynamic Eye Studios

*Sarcasm* Ted is working the crypto currency. Perhaps you could learn something form him. They are gobbling his content up on steemit… https://steemit.com/life/@tedcarr/i-m-getting-rich-off-cryptocurrency

Jun 24 at 4:12am

Will I end up in culinary school after all? (VEGAN BAKING COURSE)

Meanwhile…

https://coned.georgebrown.ca/courses-and-certificates/vegan-baking/

Yeah, I do find myself spending time researching options of this sort. Because that second diploma in Asian studies is getting me nowhere… aside from being a professor (teaching ESL) in Asia. Really, even if I got an M.A. in Asian studies, the job I’ve currently got is about the best job I could get (e.g., I could switch to being a professor in Taiwan, but that’s about it).

Meanwhile…

https://coned.georgebrown.ca/courses-and-certificates/vegan-baking/

Yeah, I do find myself spending time researching options of this sort. Because that second diploma in Asian studies is getting me nowhere… aside from being a professor (teaching ESL) in Asia. Really, even if I got an M.A. in Asian studies, the job I’ve currently got is about the best job I could get (e.g., I could switch to being a professor in Taiwan, but that’s about it).

NotKurtis

My wife is strongly considering a culinary course to improve her skillset for her business. Might be harder to find such a course in Brisbane, Australia

NotKurtis

I.e. a vegan course

Alena

There’s an online course in vegan deserts. I don’t know if it’s any good but I might try one of their courses just to improve my cooking at home. https://rouxbe.com/vegan-desserts/

Eisel Mazard

For myself, also, the prospect of cooking for my own daughter is a significant consideration. However, two more years in college = a big decision.

Jun 24 at 2:47am

[Podcast version:] Protest-Based Diet? Revolutionaries & Restaurateurs.

Protest-Based_Diet_Revolutionaries__Restaurateurs.mp3

The audio-only version, for those who want to hear it “on the go”.

ModVegan

I think it’s time for a fundraising drive so you guys can get an omni directional mic and stop having to hand the snowball back and forth.

Eisel Mazard

You may already know the anecdote, but at one point Vegan Gains tried to send me a better microphone in the mail, because he hated the sound quality on my channel. He didn’t do it because the cost of shipping was greater than the cost of the mic.

Jun 23 at 4:12pm

A Protest-Based Diet? Revolutionaries & Restaurateurs.

A discussion (myself & the girlfriend) spanning 40 minutes. I will upload a podcast version (ASAP) for those who’d prefer to hear it while at the gym, etc.

Mark

The “general form of atherosclerosis” is arteriosclerosis, just FYI.

Pauline

That perennial question that so many vegans ask themselves: “What can I do to make a difference?” Like so many, after I’d been vegan for a couple of years (vegetarian before that for most of my life), and had tentative conversations with those in my life – family, friends, co-workers, etc. – that basically went nowhere, and were greeted with more or less indifference, I did look around to see what might be going on that I could get involved with, in a vague attempt to be more effective in making a difference and reaching more people within the very limited time I had/have available (working long hours, with various other commitments, etc.). I’ve been on an assortment of street protests or demos, including two DXE protest days, Close the Slaughterhouses marches, Meat is Murder, International Animal Rights Day, International Vegan Day demos, vegan leafleting, etc. I’ve not bothered with single issue campaigns, as I think Gary Francione is right in saying that if everyone went vegan all these other things would die out, so that is the focus of my efforts. ‘Though I’m not averse to them, as he is, and think they could capture the imagination of some – with an empathy that could be transferred to other areas. I’ve also not done the so-called “Earthlings Experience” demos, whereby people stand in a row wearing masks and showing videos of Earthlings. I prefer to focus on the right to life aspect rather than the industry-cruelty aspect. And the film Earthlings is quite old now and people are dubious about things still being as portrayed in the film. I currently do a once-per-month “Awakening Compassion” demo (and have been doing this on and off for the last 2.5 years), basically a silent demo, whereby people stand still, holding posters with pictures of animals and different slogans or quotes underneath. Several others give out vegan leaflets to passers-by. Conversations are struck up – some fruitful, others not. Incidentally, one of the other participants said that she went vegan after reading just one leaflet, having never thought about it before, which is pretty amazing, and shows that some people just take a small prompt. It’s often about planting seeds. There will always be those with an empathy deficit, who will never care, who are too selfish to think of anything beyond their own gratification, or who still readily objectify animals so as to think they aren’t worthy of consideration, are more or less “empty vessels”. But there are others who are borderline or latent carers. I recall a visit to Cambridge as a young teenager (several decades ago), and there was a street stall with a few people quietly protesting against vivisection, displaying posters and giving out leaflets (students probably). I’d never once thought about it before and knew nothing about it, but the images and ideas stayed with me to this day. More seeds planted. I agree about the DXE protests: that shouting and shaming people are probably not very effective, with people’s defences and antagonisms raised instantly – although could work on the odd person. I think the word “screaming” is probably an exaggeration. My experience is that people go into venues with placards, make a short speech (spoken loudly, but not “screamed”) and then leave in a line within 3 or 4 minutes, give out leaflets and talk to people outside the venue. They then go onto another venue. After two of these days, I decided I wouldn’t attend any more – although on the first day, I have to say, three random strangers joined the protests for the rest of the day, saying they totally agreed and thought it was “brilliant”. So, different strokes for different folks, as the cliché goes. Regarding Peta’s poster campaign, there has been a better one, I think, run by Sandra Higgins of Go Vegan World, whereby for several months the whole of the UK was plastered with vegan billboards and notices (on minicabs, buses, trains, advertising hoardings, the sides of buildings, etc.). I think this has been quite effective in countering the ongoing, pervasive, big bucks corporate meat and dairy industry advertising campaigns. It could be that Peta even got the idea from this, as theirs took place a couple of months later. Another effective campaign is Veganuary, that takes place every January, with large numbers going vegan for the month of January, and many remaining vegan beyond January. I was surprised at some of the random people I met last December who said they would be “doing Veganuary” the following month, when two or three years ago, veganism was a pretty alien concept in the mainstream. I think Youtube definitely helps, especially among young people and the online social media generation. There are one or two good channels out there, The Vegan Activist being one – although he seems to have gone quiet of late. People need to do what they’re good at, and hopefully, the various collective actions combine to have a cumulative exponential effect. There’s no doubt there is room for improvement, and it’s a never-ending struggle for development. I was struck when on the “Big Animal Rights” march last October in London – which garnered about 1.5K people – on arriving at Trafalgar Square there was a small Black Lives Matter demo (maybe 6 or 7 people). One of the guys was apoplectic with rage, intermittently filming our march and shouting: “This disgusts me more than anything I’ve ever seen”, “This sickens me to my very stomach”, “I can’t believe some people care more about animals than people”, blah, blah. Which shows how animal rights are going to be perceived by chunks of the population. No matter that many will have, over a lifetime, been on numerous marches in support of humans. My view on marches, having been on dozens over a lifetime, their being a way of life in my youth, several decades ago, is that, although most don’t have any effect, if they are very large and well-planned, they can affect the sub-conscious of some. Although they are unlikely to change current policy, they can form part of the psychological backdrop and borne in mind for future policy making. For example, the massive anti-Iraq war demos (with about 1.5 million participants in London) were never going to reverse the decision at that late stage, but, it seemed inconceivable that any government would rush to war on such a flimsy pretext for some time after that – partly as a result of the manifest devastation caused, but also because of the vehement and furious demonstrations. It is well established acceptance that the anti-poll tax riots in 1990 made Margaret Thatcher reverse the policy and abandon it as a means of local taxation. Having said this, those who care about animals are such a miniscule minority that we aren’t at that stage where we can enlist enough support and be anything other than a tiny group of seeming peripheral “nutters” and “fanatics”. Which will probably be the situation for the foreseeable future. I’ll leave this with film of the recent Close the Slaughterhouses march in Paris. They always seem to have the largest marches there (5,000 apparently, the same as last year), but then the French have a tradition of marching. How much effect they have, I don’t know. https://www.facebook.com/l214.animaux/videos/10155355287214757/?pnref=story

Pauline

In the interests of accuracy, I subsequently read that the French demonstration actually had 3,500 participants, and not 5,000, as I heard someone previously state. I did read that the number for last year was 5,000 however.

Eisel Mazard

Many different things I could respond to in this comment: one difference between DxE and the examples of protests you’ve attended is dignity itself. The pose of the “silent vigil” is used precisely because it suggests a certain sort of seriousness, dignity, etc. By contrast, the DxE protests discussed here both fail to treat others with dignity, and fail to present the vegans themselves in a dignified manner.

Pauline

Yeah, I agree. Intuitively it didn’t feel right – especially as a couple of the participants did get into a bit of a slanging match with members of the public (basically because they were inexperienced and pumped up, losing control), which was ridiculous. How many minds are you going to change like that? I had discussions with some of the people, and the view was that you need to do different types of protest and this one shakes people out of their complacency, while others are easy to ignore. But, if it doesn’t engage and also affirms people’s views of animal rights activists as crazy, hysterical and obsessional, who they can’t relate to, it’s counter-productive. I’ve seen people laughing at and mocking the protesters, ostentatiously revelling at putting animal products in their mouths. I can also identify with the person you mentioned who gave up because it took an emotional toll. On both occasions I was filled with dread at doing it, and don’t think it’s anything I would ever get used to.

Jun 22 at 6:28pm

Wild flowers, picked on campus.

The arrow adds a slightly high-art feeling to a spontaneous photograph.

Yes, I took them home and put them in a tiny (tiny!) vase, for my girlfriend.

NotKurtis

Pair it with a haiku: “Hey babe I’m vegan, I know that you’re vegan too, Let’s eat these flowers”

NotKurtis

P.s. typing on a phone eliminates new lines, follow the commas

Vegan AF

Oh baby girl, what is you doing?! Eisel, please think of her future as she is still young.

Eisel Mazard

Henh?

Jun 20 at 8:05pm

[Podcast version:] An interview “for the future of the vegan movement”.

Vegan_Revolution_UNEDITED_audio.mp3

WORST INTERVIEW EVER.

Nick Knowles

that was rough, but entertaining

ModVegan

The best part was Melissa’s sardonic comment about his name at the beginning! That says it all. I’m not surprised he had 2 hrs to do this…his comments always end up in my spam folder on YouTube because he never stops talking. Why does he wear a mask? Because it is literally the ONLY interesting thing about him.

NotKurtis

Hahahaha, brilliant

NotKurtis

So now we know Melissa isn’t just there to replace Morty (though she did), only love could keep a woman in China after watching you gruesomely beat a man to death from the other side of the world. Also, your Canadian comes out when you spit fire lol.

Eisel Mazard

Alexa

Ayooooo Sega Master System shout-out.

Eisel Mazard

An independent company just did a reissue of “The Dragon’s Trap” (without the name “Wonder Boy”).

Nick Knowles

what a bloodbath lol

Daniel Paterson

Guy got absolutely recked. His he on the autistic spectrum?

Tim M

“I’m really not interested in what you feed your unicorns” – my fave bit!

Alex

I have read some of the reactions and it’s rather curious that the followers of Footsoldier (but maybe that’s to be expected) take more offense at the subjectively percieved tone of Eisel and not that VR thought of it as reasonable (just as one example) to contact his ex-wife and poke around in his private life… This was really cringey as the intellectual capabilities of VR reminded me of a bad pupil in elementary school. Can’t even understand simple questions. Wait, that was wrong. I know he understood them – he was just too simple minded to quickly think of a way to weasel out of them.

Matthias K.

it’s funny: He says a critic should have an experience of what he’s talking about. And yet he’s telling people online that vegan meat substitutes taste exactly like the real thing. [He’s a life-long vegetarian]

Genevieve Jackson

I wish vegans would stop saying that shit. They taste better at times. Gardein has some products that do in my opinion. I ate lots of meat at certain times in my life. I did miss braised meat for awhile, but many vegan versions are extremely delicious.

Peter W.

Eisel records interviews with a single microphone: he uses the same microphone that he is speaking into, to also record the voice of the person he is talking to, coming through his computer speakers. This means he can, and frequently does, mute the other person from the recording simply by picking up the microphone. In this recording he has used this method to mute a very substantial chunk of what Josh said. The version Josh has upload onto his Vegan Revolution podcast is a proper recording, with each person on a separate channel. Listening to this is a significantly different experience. I suggest people listen to this before judging Josh’s performance in the conversation. https://soundcloud.com/the-vegan-revolution-1/the-vegan-revolution-podcast-172-sophistry-aka-datda-benjamin-eiselmazard-lord-his-sidekick

Marion Poliquin

I could hear Vegan Revolution perfectly and I was listening outside with light traffic in the background.

Eisel Mazard

On the other hand, the video shows my facial expressions: also a significant part of the conversation. I don’t think you can really beat the video.

Peter W.

You can hear VR clearly until Eisel picks up the microphone. Whenever Eisel picks it up, you can’t hear anything VR is saying. For example, if you listen to VR’s podcast at approximately 30:49, you can hear him saying he’s read 3 books about Gandhi. This is completely inaudible in Eisel’s video at 29:31. (The timecodes are different because the podcast has extra audio at the beginning.)

Peter W.

The obvious way your video can be “beaten” is by syncing his audio to it.

Marion Poliquin

Please tell me that “youngest of nine” is your new trekkie handle.

Eisel Mazard

I am, also, “the seventh son”.Load 1 reply

Peter W.

Here’s the audio from VR’s podcast synced to Eisel’s video: https://youtu.be/0-L_26ZLHlI This version features a fairer audio recording: you can hear everything Josh/VR said, a surprising amount of which is cut off on Eisel’s version, due to his recording method (explained in my other post).

Jun 20 at 7:38pm

An interview “for the future of the vegan movement”.

WORST INTERVIEW EVER.

Genevieve Jackson

I think it’s a real misconception that people are different in real life. I can really tell via messaging/video/pictures if I will resonate with a person in real life.

ModVegan

I agree! And if you’re a backstabbing jerk online…chances are you’re also one irl.

Matthias K.

“I have nothing to hide” LOL

Matthias K.

love the thumbnail, joaquin is vegan, too

Genevieve Jackson

I’m actually looking forward to the footsoldier interview

Eisel Mazard

Footsoldier can’t do worse… OR CAN HE???

Belinda

‘I don’t know how much personal info you want to share, but…’ -> this whole thing could have gone off on a very different tangent…..

Eisel Mazard

I admit, in that split second, I thought she was going to use the “penis size” card… just something about the tone of her voice, I guess.

Marion Poliquin

Just watched the first couple of minutes. Gonna switch to podcast for the rest.

Peter W.

Eisel records interviews with a single microphone: he uses the same microphone that he is speaking into, to also record the voice of the person he is talking to, coming through his computer speakers. This means he can, and frequently does, mute the other person from the recording simply by picking up the microphone. In this recording he has used this method to mute a very substantial chunk of what Josh said. The version Josh has upload onto his Vegan Revolution podcast is a proper recording, with each person on a separate channel. Listening to this is a significantly different experience. I suggest people listen to this before judging Josh’s performance in the conversation. https://soundcloud.com/the-vegan-revolution-1/the-vegan-revolution-podcast-172-sophistry-aka-datda-benjamin-eiselmazard-lord-his-sidekick (I’m posting this comment under both the video and audio-only posts, as it is relevant to both, and there seems to be discussion on-going in both comment sections)

Eisel Mazard

On the other hand, the video shows my facial expressions: also a significant part of the conversation. I don’t think you can really beat the video.

Cameron Herkes

LMAO, man. I’m 50 minutes in and I still don’t really get the point of the interview. So far it’s all been about Eisel’s character, and sometimes Josh’s, and questioning each other’s motives. At some point I think it would’ve been good to say “maybe Josh is a terrorist, and Eisel is part of the CIA, but let’s talk about these issues objectively anyway.” I don’t think Eisel having an inferiority complex caused by being the youngest of 9 siblings is a fruitful conversation point… I think this could have been a much better discussion if Josh would just set aside the personal issues he has with you.

Eisel Mazard

It is totally absurd: I stated at several points what I wanted the conversation to be about (and why I invited him to talk to me at all), i.e., “the future of the vegan movement” —but he really had nothing on his mind aside from old-fashioned “character assassination”. It’s even more ridiculous, because 99% of people couldn’t care less if I was guilty of the “crimes” he accuses me of (e.g., that I allegedly phoned Ali Tabrizi 3 times during the same week —i.e., even if I did, who the fuck cares?).Load 1 reply

Cameron Herkes

A log of soggy weetabix…. this is frigging hilarious

Eisel Mazard

Man, it’s good to know SOMEBODY got SOMETHING out of this.

Peter W.

Here’s the audio from VR’s podcast synced to Eisel’s video: https://youtu.be/0-L_26ZLHlI This version features a fairer audio recording: you can hear everything Josh/VR said, a surprising amount of which is cut off on Eisel’s version, due to his recording method (explained in my other post).

Jun 20 at 2:36am

“Am I too late to be a revolutionary?” Or, perhaps, “Am I too late to be on the side that’s winning?”

Genevieve Jackson

Most people are Johnny Come Latelys.

NotKurtis

I feel like a regular feature here, Eisel: are you grooming me to become your replacement? It’s okay if/that you are, I was always the obvious choice.

Eisel Mazard

I think we’d just “pluralize” the E. Mazard identity (the same way that Bite Size vegan said she was gonna have employees take over writing her email, etc. …but then she inexplicably burnt out and disappeared from social media instead). Like, you’d become the secret hand behind my twitter account, etc. Maybe we could spin off a hand-puppet version of myself, and you could make videos for the channel, too, using the hand-puppet.

Genevieve Jackson

Emily seems to be speaking publicly more. I imagine her quitting might have to do with the fact that she’s pretty much run out of material for her style of YouTube video.

Jun 19 at 3:54pm

Shout Out to Vegan Footsoldier and TheGlucoseNetwork… One Year Later?

This video has nothing to do with Durianrider. No, wait, it has everything to do with Durianrider, but, for that reason, has nothing to do with veganism.

{THE VIDEO IS ONLY ONE MINUTE LONG, OKAY, GIVE IT A CHANCE, YOU SNOBS!!}

NotKurtis

I saw the beginning of the title and thought “why the fuck do these guys deserve shoutouts?”… luckily you cane through with the goods

NotKurtis

Okay final thought… both seem to claim that their stance changed as a result of DR’s behaviour worsening, and not just because they were too stubborn and waited until the last second. Joey too. At least VG joined the hate wagon early on, but that’s probably all Eisel’s influence. Meanwhile, Eisel’s the wagon conductor, and there’s no first class carriage – 100% economy.

Eisel Mazard

In many cases (of people turning against D.R. now/lately) you can’t say, “his behavior worsened”, you can only say, “now he’s doing it TO YOU (or to your friend), instead of doing it to someone else”. Anyone who cared about the future of the movement would have cared back when the victim was somebody else / anybody else.uture of the movement would have cared back when the victim was somebody else / anybody else.

Jun 19 at 1:16pm

[Other voices:] #LaptopGate (Impossible-to-summarize D.R. controversy)

Uh… look… I managed to come up with #laptopgate…

Beyond that, don’t ask me to summarize the situation.

I’ve already admitted that it’s impossible to summarize.

This is linked to the controversy covered (in boring detail) in the latest video on NorVegan’s channel.

Nick Knowles

could this guy talk any slower

Nick Knowles

thank goodness for X2 speed

NotKurtis

Yeah this + GN’s videos + Footsoldier’s video total 1h50m I could be spending headbutting a wall or jerking off, both of which burn more calories.

Jun 19 at 9:50am

Alexandra and me and a lion and a duck and a frog.

NotKurtis

Awwwwww

NotKurtis

“… and nobody was eating nobody”

mamandeloulavegane

too cute!!

Jun 20 at 2:36am

“Am I too late to be a revolutionary?” Or, perhaps, “Am I too late to be on the side that’s winning?”

Jun 19 at 3:54pm

Shout Out to Vegan Footsoldier and TheGlucoseNetwork… One Year Later?

This video has nothing to do with Durianrider. No, wait, it has everything to do with Durianrider, but, for that reason, has nothing to do with veganism. :-/{THE VIDEO IS ONLY ONE MINUTE LONG, OKAY, GIVE IT A CHANCE, YOU SNOBS!!}

NotKurtis

I saw the beginning of the title and thought “why the fuck do these guys deserve shoutouts?”… luckily you cane through with the goods

NotKurtis

Okay final thought… both seem to claim that their stance changed as a result of DR’s behaviour worsening, and not just because they were too stubborn and waited until the last second. Joey too. At least VG joined the hate wagon early on, but that’s probably all Eisel’s influence. Meanwhile, Eisel’s the wagon conductor, and there’s no first class carriage – 100% economy.

Eisel Mazard

In many cases (of people turning against D.R. now/lately) you can’t say, “his behavior worsened”, you can only say, “now he’s doing it TO YOU (or to your friend), instead of doing it to someone else”. Anyone who cared about the future of the movement would have cared back when the victim was somebody else / anybody else.

Jun 19 at 1:16pm

[Other voices:] #LaptopGate (Impossible-to-summarize D.R. controversy)

Uh… look… I managed to come up with #laptopgate…Beyond that, don’t ask me to summarize the situation.

I’ve already admitted that it’s impossible to summarize.

This is linked to the controversy covered (in boring detail) in the latest video on NorVegan’s channel.

Nick Knowles

could this guy talk any slower

Nick Knowles

thank goodness for X2 speed

NotKurtis

Yeah this + GN’s videos + Footsoldier’s video total 1h50m I could be spending headbutting a wall or jerking off, both of which burn more calories.

Jun 19 at 9:50am

Alexandra and me and a lion and a duck and a frog.s

NotKurtis

“… and nobody was eating nobody”

mamandeloulavegane

too cute!!

Jun 19 at 7:39am

Critique of Earthling Ed: Vegans can’t offer “Social Justice” for animals.

This video offers a different angle on some of the issues raised in the current approach of “Earthling Ed” (from a fellow vegan) —perhaps drawing attention to some of the assumptions about “Social Justice” that may have been left unexamined by others in the movement.

Eisel Mazard

And there’s now a playlist (only two videos long!) on the social justice concept within veganism! https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

NotKurtis

Hey man, I put off watching this because all I expected was “Eisel talks about some bearded asshole” but this was actually really good, this is one I’d suggest to nonvegans if they were curious e.g. about the sorts of topics addressed here

Eisel Mazard

Just goes to show: you can’t judge a vegan by his beard.

Jun 19 at 1:17am

[Podcast Version:] Critique of Earthling Ed.

Earthling_Ed_podcast_version.mp3

[The video version is uploading presently: should be online within a few hours.] Critique of Earthling Ed: Vegans can’t offer “Social Justice” for animals.

This video offers a different angle on some of the issues raised in the current approach of “Earthling Ed” (from a fellow vegan) —perhaps drawing attention to some of the assumptions about “Social Justice” that may have been left unexamined by others in the movement.

[The video version is uploading presently: should be online within a few hours.] Critique of Earthling Ed: Vegans can’t offer “Social Justice” for animals.

This video offers a different angle on some of the issues raised in the current approach of “Earthling Ed” (from a fellow vegan) —perhaps drawing attention to some of the assumptions about “Social Justice” that may have been left unexamined by others in the movement.

Jun 16 at 5:46am

DxE: Arrests, Lies, Videotape (Direct Action Everywhere)

The link to the article mentioned in the first few minutes:http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.jp/2016/05/1954-1979-wars-in-china-cambodia-vietnam.html

The link to the playlists section of the channel (where you will find a playlist with about 10 videos (so far) on DxE / Direct Action Everywhere, and many others related to questions of effective activism in/for the vegan movement):

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

vegan / vegans / veganism

The link to the article mentioned in the first few minutes:http://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.jp/2016/05/1954-1979-wars-in-china-cambodia-vietnam.html

The link to the playlists section of the channel (where you will find a playlist with about 10 videos (so far) on DxE / Direct Action Everywhere, and many others related to questions of effective activism in/for the vegan movement):

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

vegan / vegans / veganism

Marion Poliquin

I really should write about my recent experience with DxE in Columbia when I have a day or two of free time.

Eisel Mazard

Still to this day, I’ve never had a DxE member (or ex-member) willing to talk about their experience (the good and the bad of it) on my “show”. If you send me an email, I can probably make a video (reading & reacting to your letter).

Genevieve Jackson

Marion, I’d be interested as well. I’m pretty sure Pittsburgh will never start a chapter. If I do anything it will be with PETA here. Their representative talks to me quite a bit. She’s pretty cool. I’ve not felt that kind of spark with any other group here.

Jun 14 at 2:06am

Offering to talk (to people who say they hate/dislike me).

“Emily Uncensored” was in Thailand one year ago, and she mentions very briefly in this video that she dislikes me, but, nevertheless, is aware that what Harley did/said against me was wrong/bad.Okay.

I do reach out to many, many people (from very different walks of life) positively, and offer to have them appear on the channel (just because they’re vegan, basically).

As I’ve said recently, I reach out to people even as awful as Vegan Ava herself, etc.

And they very rarely respond positively. They are very rarely willing to talk. They are very rarely willing to listen.

Here’s the link to “Emily Uncensored” describing what her experience with Harley/Durianrider (in Chiang Mai) was really like, one year too late to make a difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F11VzPTKOw

“Emily Uncensored” was in Thailand one year ago, and she mentions very briefly in this video that she dislikes me, but, nevertheless, is aware that what Harley did/said against me was wrong/bad.Okay.

I do reach out to many, many people (from very different walks of life) positively, and offer to have them appear on the channel (just because they’re vegan, basically).

As I’ve said recently, I reach out to people even as awful as Vegan Ava herself, etc.

And they very rarely respond positively. They are very rarely willing to talk. They are very rarely willing to listen.

Here’s the link to “Emily Uncensored” describing what her experience with Harley/Durianrider (in Chiang Mai) was really like, one year too late to make a difference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F11VzPTKOw

Marion Poliquin

Going from exchanges we had last year, I don’t think that Emily’s reasons for disliking you have anything to do with Harley.

Eisel Mazard

Hey, I’d be interested to know more —esp. if it can make a positive difference at this juncture. However, I doubt this is about the Nelson twins.

Mike On Raw

The tolerance need in veganism is very, very high. Why isolate yourself further by not wanting to talk with other vegans simply because you don’t feel they would be your friend? If everyone had to be friends to move veganism forward, it would never happen.

Jun 13 at 1:32pm

“Who knows what darkness lurks in the hearts of men?”

Dept. of minor ironies.

Nick Knowles

lol dat last one

NotKurtis

I occasionally find some joy in the wit that Twitter’s character limit can inspire

Jun 13 at 4:39am

Especially hilarious “fan mail”.

I also sent a copy of this to Vegan Gains, for his amusement.IT’S ALL ABOUT THE BENJAMINS, PEOPLE!!!! s

NotKurtis

As a side note on this: not to pry into the specifics of the a bas le ciel Broadcasting Corporation’s offshore Cayman Islands fetty chedda reserves, but for ~$0 from Youtube per month and a couple of hundred at most from Patreon per month, as a gainfully employed person (as is Eisel) with personal interests like rap, vegan lovemaking, eating and sleeping, I would not want to spend the amount of time Eisel does on making content. I’d make more picking up a job stacking groceries on nightshift for two nights per week, and wouldn’t be accused of being a pedophile in the process! So, at a bare minimum, one could at least conclude that obviously Eisel has other intentions and interests beyond money in doing this.

Grant TB

Ballin outta control.

Jun 12 at 4:32pm

Wheat Kills: vs. Vegan Gains (vs. No Bull$hit)

More on “the wildlife management paradigm”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTvMore on Palm Oil (and the often incoherent arguments of vegans against it):

(1) Vegans vs. Palm Oil; Agriculture vs. Habitat. (Veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccfY0T1eq4

(2) Vegan Lass is Wrong: Deforestation, Palm Oil & Progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hw02rfVUvs

And here’s the link to the more recent Vegan Gains debate often referred to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZU

More on “the wildlife management paradigm”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTvMore on Palm Oil (and the often incoherent arguments of vegans against it):

(1) Vegans vs. Palm Oil; Agriculture vs. Habitat. (Veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccfY0T1eq4

(2) Vegan Lass is Wrong: Deforestation, Palm Oil & Progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hw02rfVUvs

And here’s the link to the more recent Vegan Gains debate often referred to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZUs

Genevieve Jackson

The reason to avoid palm oil is for health. I feel like much of the palm oil campaigning comes from the dairy industry. It’s puts the focus on a more relatable animal, to sell “real butter.” I think the whole casualties in agriculture is greatly exaggerated. Rodents and lagomorphs retreat when they hear the machines. There isn’t blood all over the wheat. Lierre Keith started that anti- agriculture nonsense.

Dynamic Eye Studios

AS A METAPHOR, they way I see it is that vegans are in the industry of manufacturing commercial airliners and we factor in that occasionally plains will crash and sentient beings will die, will that stop us from doing business, no. Meat eaters on the other hand are assembling nuclear weapons, deploying them, every year, killing trillions of sentient beings and depleting entire environments that could be used to feed people in need. Perhaps this metaphor will bring someone to a laugh…

Eisel Mazard

I think that a witty meat-eater might object: “you are in the industry of manufacturing aircraft while protesting, ‘abolish the aircraft industry’, and that is the essence of the problem.”

Jun 12 at 4:31pm

[Podcast Version:] Wheat Kills: vs. Vegan Gains (vs. No Bull$hit)

Wheat-Kills-vs-vega-gains-etc.mp3

[THIS IS THE PODCAST VERSION… THERE IS ALSO A VIDEO VERSION… BUT THIS ONE IS EASIER TO “ENJOY” WHILE DRIVING / OPERATING HEAVY MACHINERY.] More on “the wildlife management paradigm”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTvMore on Palm Oil (and the often incoherent arguments of vegans against it):

(1) Vegans vs. Palm Oil; Agriculture vs. Habitat. (Veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccfY0T1eq4

(2) Vegan Lass is Wrong: Deforestation, Palm Oil & Progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hw02rfVUvs

And here’s the link to the more recent Vegan Gains debate often referred to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZU

[THIS IS THE PODCAST VERSION… THERE IS ALSO A VIDEO VERSION… BUT THIS ONE IS EASIER TO “ENJOY” WHILE DRIVING / OPERATING HEAVY MACHINERY.] More on “the wildlife management paradigm”: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTvMore on Palm Oil (and the often incoherent arguments of vegans against it):

(1) Vegans vs. Palm Oil; Agriculture vs. Habitat. (Veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccfY0T1eq4

(2) Vegan Lass is Wrong: Deforestation, Palm Oil & Progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hw02rfVUvs

And here’s the link to the more recent Vegan Gains debate often referred to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZUs

Jun 12 at 3:14pm

Don’t ask me to respect the audience. Ask the audience to have some self-respect and basic decency.

In related news, BTW, the “playlists” section of the channel (alluded to in the image above) has continued to expand:https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

Jun 12 at 11:39am

Straight murder.

And they say a vegan diet is “non-violent”.My boss (or one of my bosses) actually picked this jackfruit off a tree herself. of 4

Nick Knowles

this picture is actually symbolic of the lawsuit

Genevieve Jackson

That’s enough latex for a bodysuit.

Jun 12 at 5:43am

[Other voices:] Even Joey Carbstrong Rejects Durianrider’s Leadership.

My comment below his video: ———- Joey, let’s make it official: do a Skype call with Eisel and appear on à-bas-le-ciel. I think that anyone who really cares about the future of the vegan movement has to recognize at some point that the future of the movement ISN’T DURIANRIDER (nor his tactics).

My comment below his video: ———- Joey, let’s make it official: do a Skype call with Eisel and appear on à-bas-le-ciel. I think that anyone who really cares about the future of the vegan movement has to recognize at some point that the future of the movement ISN’T DURIANRIDER (nor his tactics).

John Edward

Even though I always thought Durianrider’s advice ( from a factual perspective) was frustratingly bad, I still managed to remain a huge fan for quite a while because I saw him as characteristic and sincere. Its amazing how thoroughly he has managed to debunk the his image of being a guy that kept it real and being extremely honest, even among-st his greatest friends :/. I wonder if he does go to prison if he’ll pick up on his youtube channel,

Jun 11 at 2:18pm

Reddit: Opening the Door for Jordan Peterson’s Fans a Wee Bit.

Some of you use Reddit, some of you don’t.If you’re into it, you may or may not want to click through to see the reactions to the video (if any) as I’ve posted my newest video to Jordan Peterson’s fan-forum on the website.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6gl9b7/plutarch_vs_jordan_peterson_vegans_have/

I honestly can’t remember the last time I did this… I’m absolutely certain that (at some point) I invited the attention/scorn of Noam Chomsky fans by posting my excoriation of Chomsky to SOME Reddit forum full of his supporters. You only live once.

Some of you use Reddit, some of you don’t.If you’re into it, you may or may not want to click through to see the reactions to the video (if any) as I’ve posted my newest video to Jordan Peterson’s fan-forum on the website.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6gl9b7/plutarch_vs_jordan_peterson_vegans_have/

I honestly can’t remember the last time I did this… I’m absolutely certain that (at some point) I invited the attention/scorn of Noam Chomsky fans by posting my excoriation of Chomsky to SOME Reddit forum full of his supporters. You only live once.s

Jun 11 at 7:26am

A lot can change in one year (Flashback screen-shot)

I think this screen-shot is from exactly one year ago. “In the most vegan way possible, you’re killing two birds with one stone…”

Jun 11 at 7:18am

Insects on the mountain stairs.

Well, they call it a mountain in Chinese (山), but it takes us less than an hour to walk up it and back again. At any rate, here you see one beautifully camouflaged moth (bottom-left) and one eye-catching shield bug (from “the mountain stairs”).s

Jun 11 at 7:08am

A moment from my ordinary life.

Well, this wasn’t 100% ordinary: we took the bus home after I was commanded to take promotional photographs for the department (at the university) —including a group photo with the other professors. At the start of the term, they also made a short promotional video with me. So, it was a slightly non-ordinary day at work.I brought my girlfriend, and I helped her study Chinese on-campus for about an hour an a half (before, after and during the photo-shoot).

Well, this wasn’t 100% ordinary: we took the bus home after I was commanded to take promotional photographs for the department (at the university) —including a group photo with the other professors. At the start of the term, they also made a short promotional video with me. So, it was a slightly non-ordinary day at work.I brought my girlfriend, and I helped her study Chinese on-campus for about an hour an a half (before, after and during the photo-shoot).s

Jun 11 at 6:14am

Plutarch vs. Jordan Peterson (vegans have philosophers, too)

Recorded around midnight (after a long day at work) —if I look exhausted, it’s because I am exhausted. ———Links to sources salient to the video:

(1) A discussion of the current state of vegan politics, with extensive reference to the debates between Peter Singer and Gary Francione (reflecting on the ways in which Singer is now “unfashionable”, and why most vegans now reject his legacy): “Vegans: Beyond Abolitionism (Beyond PETA & Peter Singer, too)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ5RwzvthY

(2) On leather (and the surprisingly strong health-science and ecological arguments against its ongoing use), ModVegan: “Leather is not Vegan, Humane, or Healthy”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5jjioaNEk

(3) Plutarch on vegetarianism/veganism (one of the most famous and influential authors of ancient Greece and Rome):

(3.1) http://www.think-differently-about-sheep.com/Animal_Rights_A_History_Plutarch.htm

(3.2) https://ivu.org/history/greece_rome/plutarch.html

(4) In the intro I refer to myself as a harsh critic of Will Kymlicka, and so I might as well provide the link to the harshest of my videos on this subject: a response to his book, “Zoopolis”, titled, “Veganism: what if our leaders are idiots? (No, seriously…)”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBDJgtcP1w

(5) Yet another self-explanatory title: “Vegans Can Be Idiots, Too: Will Tuttle’s World Peace Diet.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lqJFYbhU4

(6) Direct Action Everywhere (DxE) has been discussed in quite a few different videos on this channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxE

Recorded around midnight (after a long day at work) —if I look exhausted, it’s because I am exhausted. ———Links to sources salient to the video:

(1) A discussion of the current state of vegan politics, with extensive reference to the debates between Peter Singer and Gary Francione (reflecting on the ways in which Singer is now “unfashionable”, and why most vegans now reject his legacy): “Vegans: Beyond Abolitionism (Beyond PETA & Peter Singer, too)”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ5RwzvthY

(2) On leather (and the surprisingly strong health-science and ecological arguments against its ongoing use), ModVegan: “Leather is not Vegan, Humane, or Healthy”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_5jjioaNEk

(3) Plutarch on vegetarianism/veganism (one of the most famous and influential authors of ancient Greece and Rome):

(3.1) http://www.think-differently-about-sheep.com/Animal_Rights_A_History_Plutarch.htm

(3.2) https://ivu.org/history/greece_rome/plutarch.html

(4) In the intro I refer to myself as a harsh critic of Will Kymlicka, and so I might as well provide the link to the harshest of my videos on this subject: a response to his book, “Zoopolis”, titled, “Veganism: what if our leaders are idiots? (No, seriously…)”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPBDJgtcP1w

(5) Yet another self-explanatory title: “Vegans Can Be Idiots, Too: Will Tuttle’s World Peace Diet.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lqJFYbhU4

(6) Direct Action Everywhere (DxE) has been discussed in quite a few different videos on this channel:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxEs

Rewi Stirrat

Can I have a link to Peterson’s original video? I like some things that he says but I find some of his views quite inconsistent (e.g. anti tribalism but pro nationalism).

Brendan Cross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9ro-7fXvI

ModVegan

Thanks for the shout out There’s a Podcast on iTunes on the history of veganism that is actually pretty excellent called “The Vegan Option.” Does anyone else listen to it? It’s really well done, and it avoids most of the usual vegan quagmires because it’s primarily an investigation into the history of veganism/vegetariansm. Worth a listen! It’s fascinating to hear about all of the – often crazy, sometimes brilliant – historical figures and groups that embraced plant based eating.

ModVegan

Does literally ANYONE on earth believe the Beastie Boys “started Hip-Hop”? Even on the East Coast?

Jun 7 at 2:26am

How I learned Chinese (Review of Keats Language School)

About 50% a review of a particular language school, and 50% reflections that COULD be useful (to someone, somewhere, interested in learning Chinese) even if you’re not interested in the particular language school.

Jun 6 at 11:08am

The Girlfriend: how much of our relationship is ABOUT veganism?s

Genevieve Jackson

I was happy to hear Melissa get lots of words in. She’s awesome! Ya’ll are are beaming.

NotKurtis

Yo EM you all stumbling over your words like some lovestruck mo’fucka, cute AF

Jun 6 at 4:02am

The price of micro-fame: ppl make up fake Facebook accounts about me.

Micro-fame basically has all of the disadvantages of real fame, with none of the advantages. —– More vegan-vs.-vegan skulduggery: it’s worse than the underhanded tricks in the average election for small-town mayor.

Here’s the link to the fake facebook account (or, at least, one of them?) impersonating me, BTW: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007055086923

Facebook may or may not have deleted it by the time you get there.

Micro-fame basically has all of the disadvantages of real fame, with none of the advantages. —– More vegan-vs.-vegan skulduggery: it’s worse than the underhanded tricks in the average election for small-town mayor.

Here’s the link to the fake facebook account (or, at least, one of them?) impersonating me, BTW: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100007055086923

Facebook may or may not have deleted it by the time you get there.

Genevieve Jackson

Great picture of y’all, like it’s shocking that anyone would think you would send those messages. I pointed out that you would never ever say you “looked up to somebody.”

Eva Weiß

I just checked on Facebook and really two profiles for “Eisel Mazard” came up. The fake one is at first hilarious to read, but no one could not notice it is fake after reading just one sentence. It exists already since November 2016, so it is not even new.

Jun 6 at 1:52am

“Vegan Revolution”, the end of the saga, apparently.

“Vegan Revolution” (Josh Randall) demanded that I record a podcast with him many, many times. But when I offered (yesterday) he showed no interest.This is the end of a “saga” of a man who ran a hate campaign against me for circa two years (he wrote extensive fantasies about how I’m supposedly working for the meat industry, supposedly working for the C.I.A., claiming that my entire back-story was false (e.g., that I had never been to Laos), etc. etc.). And yet, when I offer to talk to him, he suddenly has nothing to say —or, at least, no capacity to listen.

“Vegan Revolution” (Josh Randall) demanded that I record a podcast with him many, many times. But when I offered (yesterday) he showed no interest.This is the end of a “saga” of a man who ran a hate campaign against me for circa two years (he wrote extensive fantasies about how I’m supposedly working for the meat industry, supposedly working for the C.I.A., claiming that my entire back-story was false (e.g., that I had never been to Laos), etc. etc.). And yet, when I offer to talk to him, he suddenly has nothing to say —or, at least, no capacity to listen.

Nick Knowles

haha the idea if you two getting along is a fantasy

Eisel Mazard

I dunno… on his podcast he has a very well-rehearsed act of, “Everyone likes me, I’m such a nice chap, etc.” I had assumed he’d just put on that hat, so to speak.

Jun 6 at 1:04am

Friendship, the perpetual parting of ways.

Reply to a question from a Patreon supporter (JUST LIKE YOU!!!): https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciels

Mohammad Socrates

Thanks for the interesting and engaging response. I can almost feel the weight of the heavy comtemplation and reflection you put into the issue and the formulation of your response. Your unique perspectives on various practical and personal life issues have really provided me with great insight and wisdom into a great variety of issues and dilemmas in my own personal and intellectual life , which I would have otherwise only acquired through age and years of hard life experience . I have really been struggling to convince myself to uphold certain friendships and to find a reason or formulate a philosophy that would justify my continuation of certain relationships with non-vegan friends who I have lost my respect for and have come to feel alienated from, simply because I felt bad and uneasy about ending a long lasting relationship based on a judgemental impulse that had only surfaced on my priorities just recently in my personal life.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for another VERY flattering reply, M.S.: you raise another interesting issue here (perhaps for another video) about trying to maintain friendships with people whom you regard as immoral (or inferior… or both)… this is a separate but significant issue.

Jun 5 at 2:43pm

I offered (repeatedly) to Skype/Podcast with “Vegan Footsoldier”

Many, many twitter comments to this effect in the last 48 hours or so:https://twitter.com/eiselmazard

Long story short: no, he’s not willing to talk to me (nor listen to me), etc.

This seems to me an especially hypocritical contrast to his critique of me (wherein he blames me for Durianrider’s actions because of my alleged failure to reach out to people, positively, and communicate with them to resolve issues/disputes/misconceptions).

It could have been the worst podcast in the history of Vegan youtube. We’ll never know.

Many, many twitter comments to this effect in the last 48 hours or so:https://twitter.com/eiselmazard

Long story short: no, he’s not willing to talk to me (nor listen to me), etc.

This seems to me an especially hypocritical contrast to his critique of me (wherein he blames me for Durianrider’s actions because of my alleged failure to reach out to people, positively, and communicate with them to resolve issues/disputes/misconceptions).

It could have been the worst podcast in the history of Vegan youtube. We’ll never know.

Marion Poliquin

If he Skypes with you and it resembles in any way a friendly conversation, Harley will subject him to the full scorched earth treatment. Harley has this implicit ultimatum hanging around him about what will happen to you if you cross one of his capricious, ever-changing, lines and Footsoldier will bend over backwards not to cross those lines, completely unaware of how fucked-up that is. He pretends to be one of those who can contradict Harley and still remain in good terms with him, but that’s only because Harley knows the true nature of Footsoldier, the guy is craven.

Eisel Mazard

What you say is true, but Occam’s razor may just favor stupidity: Footsoldier seems to be remarkably stupid —and I’m not sure if we can really attribute such complex consideration to him (craven or brave).

Jun 5 at 9:39am

[N.P.D.] Narcissism Within Veganism (& NorVegan’s Documentary)

Check out NorVegan’s channel for the three-part documentary (this video only responds to part one of three): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT7ZSo4tI0-8Porr233FEjQ/videosQUOTE, “The findings revealed that those subjects suffering from narcissistic personality disorder exhibited structural abnormalities in precisely that region of the brain, which is involved in the processing and generation of compassion. For patients with narcissism, this region of the cerebral cortex was markedly reduced in thickness compared to the control group.”

SOURCE: _Altered brain structure in pathological narcissism._ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619101434.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fmind_brain%2Fneuroscience+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Mind+%26+Brain+News+–+Neuroscience%29

Check out, also, Sam Vaknin’s channel on N.P.D.: https://www.youtube.com/user/samvaknin

Check out NorVegan’s channel for the three-part documentary (this video only responds to part one of three): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT7ZSo4tI0-8Porr233FEjQ/videosQUOTE, “The findings revealed that those subjects suffering from narcissistic personality disorder exhibited structural abnormalities in precisely that region of the brain, which is involved in the processing and generation of compassion. For patients with narcissism, this region of the cerebral cortex was markedly reduced in thickness compared to the control group.”

SOURCE: _Altered brain structure in pathological narcissism._ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619101434.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fmind_brain%2Fneuroscience+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Mind+%26+Brain+News+–+Neuroscience%29

Check out, also, Sam Vaknin’s channel on N.P.D.: https://www.youtube.com/user/samvaknin

Jun 5 at 2:39am

The Kind Diet vs. the Judgemental Diet: Alicia Silverstone vs. Reality.

Guest-starring NOTKURTIS, a contributing member of this very same Patreon page!s

NotKurtis

*slips $1 into Eisel’s pocket* then, lasciviously, “say my name on camera”

NotKurtis

I mean you promised a freestyle rap battle over skype but clearly wimped out, but this’ll do.

Jun 3 at 10:59am

Dept. of inside jokes on the outside.

Vote now: twitter.com/eiselmazard

mamandeloulavegane

dont listen to jealous, just be yourself and be vegan

Jun 3 at 5:32am

Why did I major in Political Science anyway? (Autobiographical, obviously.)

You ain’t seen the last of the girlfriend yet: obviously, I do 99% of the talking in this video, as it is autobiographical… but I always wanted to have more videos that were in a dialogue format, TBH (even if they’re about politics)… instead of just talking directly to the camera.s

Pauline

I remember studying Leviathan in my first year at university as part of their course on the Enlightenment (a compulsory set course for all arts students at the time). Along with many others, including Rousseau, Locke, Hume, Burke, etc. Many, many years ago that was.

Jun 2 at 2:40pm

Portrait of Eisel + the girlfriend (by one of our students)s

Nick Knowles

they should do the cover for your book

Jun 2 at 12:40am

University: Should ANYONE study Political Science? (Probably not.)

ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR!Featuring… THE GIRLFRIEND!!!!s

Belinda

(cont..^)idea* but you should also throw yourself in headlong or you won’t be totally focused. By the way thanks for introducing yourself Eisel’s girlfriend (sorry that I don’t know your name).

Emmet Larrissy

notice the short mention by Eisel’s partner of possibly starting a family and that kind of thing :-p.

Emmet Larrissy

these videos always make me feel a bit better about my struggle to become a portrait painter.

Belinda

Keep at it, Emmet! It’s very admirable to dedicate yourself to such a goal. The world needs all kinds of good. Some is through social policy and humanitarian work, and some is through the arts. Good luck.

Jun 1 at 4:41pm

[Other voices:] NorVegan’s Psychological Analysis of Durianrider.

I’m reluctant to endorse this video for reasons that are discussed within the video itself: in the first 5 minutes there are reflections on the extent to which “narcissist” has become a meaningless (pejorative) adjective.I’m tempted to make a video discussing N.P.D. itself (narcissistic personality disorder) —with or without reference to this video from NorVegan.

HOWEVER, this is an intelligent set of reflections, and it DOES include information/examples that I did not previously know (e.g., around the 16 minute mark, it starts to discuss the case-study of D.R. insulting a woman who was hospitalized by domestic abuse and directly blaming the victim —genuinely interesting, and an example I genuinely didn’t previously know).

I’m reluctant to endorse this video for reasons that are discussed within the video itself: in the first 5 minutes there are reflections on the extent to which “narcissist” has become a meaningless (pejorative) adjective.I’m tempted to make a video discussing N.P.D. itself (narcissistic personality disorder) —with or without reference to this video from NorVegan.

HOWEVER, this is an intelligent set of reflections, and it DOES include information/examples that I did not previously know (e.g., around the 16 minute mark, it starts to discuss the case-study of D.R. insulting a woman who was hospitalized by domestic abuse and directly blaming the victim —genuinely interesting, and an example I genuinely didn’t previously know).

Maria (ManeEvent)

Just noticed your comments… I’m way behind the curve lol.

Genevieve Jackson

I couldn’t watch most of the documentary. You could say those things about most YouTubers. Durianrider is actually not as bad as many. Not having friends from the past is not something that’s necessarily something to do with a personality disorder. For instance I don’t drink anymore. That killed my social life more than being vegan ever could. I’m not an alcoholic, so I don’t have AA friends.

Eisel Mazard

My response video is uploading now: in general, I share your apprehension that “Narcissism” becomes a meaningless catch-all category for everything we happen to dislike about someone —but the filmmaker (Norvegan) also expresses this concern in the opening to his own film.

Jun 1 at 3:48pm

First video with the girlfriend on the mic!

Uploading now.

(Give it 6 hours minimum… we’re uploading from the China-Myanmar border.)s

Nick Knowles

Bro you def nabbed a QT nice work

Maria (ManeEvent)

Cute couple, you look so happy – goofy in love faces x careful or you’ll ruin your reputation as the moody film noir vegan villain lol

Jun 1 at 3:08am

Real Life Update (FOR PATREON SUPPORTERS) ca. 7 min.

7_min_update_RAW.mp3

Life in China: divorce, rights to visit my daughter, current responsibilities at work, getting my girlfriend set up (her job, etc.) —misc. life update.s

mamandeloulavegane

good news eizel, but why dont your ex wife want to take daughter to china? its not logic

Eisel Mazard

It is just malice on my ex-wife’s part: I formerly invited my wife to live in Victoria (Canada), or in Seattle (very near by), and she actually accepted the invitation at the time (but later cancelled)… living in Yunnan (Kunming & Dehong) I invited my ex-wife to come here (with or without my daughter) as I could really help her, etc. etc. It would be good for my ex-wife, good for my daughter, etc.

mamandeloulavegane

how old is your gf? im young mom (20), my bf (23) still getting used to be papa she is happy to meet your little girl?

Eisel Mazard

My girlfriend is approx. the same age as your boyfriend. And I am 38. (I know WAY more than my gf about the Vietnam war… ha ha.)

May 28 at 2:09pm

The Fist Fight That Never Was.

As far as I know, this event (D.R. confronting sam & Dexter) did eventually involve the police… i.e., some kind of police-report was made about SOMETHING… but I know nothing more than that.

And, yes, Dexter (seen here in the thumbnail) is the same guy who recently appeared on my channel in a short video with “reckless optimism” in the title.

As far as I know, this event (D.R. confronting sam & Dexter) did eventually involve the police… i.e., some kind of police-report was made about SOMETHING… but I know nothing more than that.

And, yes, Dexter (seen here in the thumbnail) is the same guy who recently appeared on my channel in a short video with “reckless optimism” in the title.

Emmet Larrissy

It is disturbing to see this kind of behaviour normalized wihtin the RT4 community. And along with this I am seeing frequent violent threats and anti-Semitic videos coming from Harley’s channel.

Eisel Mazard

I have to admit that I only watch a very small percentage of Durianrider’s “creative output”… but I can’t recall anything pointedly antisemitic. Do you have any examples in mind, or could you further illustrate what you mean by this? (Maybe you’re just alluding to his rants against my “millionaire mom”, etc., but maybe it’s something more generally racist, or even geopolitical, for all I know.)

Emmet Larrissy

he recently made a video in which he said “Why do I only get taken to Court by fat Jews?” This went almost unnoticed by the vegan youtube community. The video is called Why Do Only Millionaires Ever Sue Me? It was posted on 19th May.

The Vegan Dilemma

Can anyone access Dexter Deveau’s channel? I get an authentication error…

Eisel Mazard

LINK: https://www.youtube.com/user/sexydexy145/videos I assume he “temporarily deleted” (hid) his channel.

May 28 at 5:21am

Will India Finally Ban Beef? (New Laws Against Cattle-Slaughter)

Let’s start with a salacious quotation: Importantly, the new restrictions will apply not just to cows — whose slaughter is already illegal in several Indian states — but all bovines, including the buffaloes that provide more than half of India’s fresh milk. It is likely to prove the undoing of India’s $5bn in beef exports, which was in fact mostly buffalo meat.

“The rural economy is going to be smashed,” Ms Ramdas said. “This will be the total collapse of the livestock economy, unless it goes underground. The beef economy, the dairy economy, and the leather economy will all be completely destroyed.”

India has a cattle population of about 190m, and a further 108m buffaloes. These animals, mostly reared by small and marginal farmers who may own just a few, are prized for their milk, but retain a strong market value even after they can no longer produce, given the demand for meat and animal by products.

SOURCE: https://www.ft.com/content/0198be7c-42e6-11e7-ab92-4c27fbc26eed

Is this, in fact, “the total collapse of the livestock economy” in India? I doubt it.

The new law prohibits the sale of unproductive bovines for slaughter, but does not prohibit their sale for other agricultural purposes (ending, eventually, in slaughter) —nor does it prohibit the sale of beef as a final product (nor the consumption of beef). Although this is another small step in India’s long (prevaricating) history on banning beef, it is merely a small step, not a decisive one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India

From a vegan perspective, the impossible-to-resolve contradiction here is that consumption of dairy products remains holy, even while the consumption of beef is unholy: can India really have a (for-profit) dairy industry while (at the same time) wanting to ban the slaughter of the cows that produce the milk? I doubt it. The easiest way out of the contradiction would be for Hindus to recognize that the production of milk and the production of beef are two stages of the same industry —you either eliminate both, or you eliminate neither. While I’m preaching to the converted here (in the context of this small audience) you have to keep in mind that this is a fundamentally new idea from a Hindu (or even a Buddhist) perspective.

In India, these religions considered milk and meat much more different than night and day: one was supposedly good, and the other evil. It is indeed shock to regard them as two phases of the same industrial process.

Let’s start with a salacious quotation: Importantly, the new restrictions will apply not just to cows — whose slaughter is already illegal in several Indian states — but all bovines, including the buffaloes that provide more than half of India’s fresh milk. It is likely to prove the undoing of India’s $5bn in beef exports, which was in fact mostly buffalo meat.

“The rural economy is going to be smashed,” Ms Ramdas said. “This will be the total collapse of the livestock economy, unless it goes underground. The beef economy, the dairy economy, and the leather economy will all be completely destroyed.”

India has a cattle population of about 190m, and a further 108m buffaloes. These animals, mostly reared by small and marginal farmers who may own just a few, are prized for their milk, but retain a strong market value even after they can no longer produce, given the demand for meat and animal by products.

SOURCE: https://www.ft.com/content/0198be7c-42e6-11e7-ab92-4c27fbc26eed

Is this, in fact, “the total collapse of the livestock economy” in India? I doubt it.

The new law prohibits the sale of unproductive bovines for slaughter, but does not prohibit their sale for other agricultural purposes (ending, eventually, in slaughter) —nor does it prohibit the sale of beef as a final product (nor the consumption of beef). Although this is another small step in India’s long (prevaricating) history on banning beef, it is merely a small step, not a decisive one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_slaughter_in_India

From a vegan perspective, the impossible-to-resolve contradiction here is that consumption of dairy products remains holy, even while the consumption of beef is unholy: can India really have a (for-profit) dairy industry while (at the same time) wanting to ban the slaughter of the cows that produce the milk? I doubt it. The easiest way out of the contradiction would be for Hindus to recognize that the production of milk and the production of beef are two stages of the same industry —you either eliminate both, or you eliminate neither. While I’m preaching to the converted here (in the context of this small audience) you have to keep in mind that this is a fundamentally new idea from a Hindu (or even a Buddhist) perspective.

In India, these religions considered milk and meat much more different than night and day: one was supposedly good, and the other evil. It is indeed shock to regard them as two phases of the same industrial process.

ModVegan

See, I have a bit of a problem with this. Having read way too many stories about Muslims facing serious threats of violence because they consume beef, I find this problematic and speciesist. Hindus want to be able to consume dairy and eat chicken, while going after beef eaters. It just bothers me, tbh. I must say, personal friends who are Hindu vegetarians are VERY openly caste-ist about this stuff (is that even a word? Not sure). Anyway, I know a log of vegan support this, but I just can’t.

Marion Poliquin

We shouldn’t support it as vegans, TBH. No more beef means more pig and chicken deaths and it takes more than one pig or chicken to replace a cow, so the net result is more animal suffering, not less.

Pauline

On the BBC’s website yesterday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-40116811

May 27 at 4:09am

Taking the cactus for a walk.

Yes, I do have this cactus indoors much of the time (appearing in the background of many of my youtube videos), but I also “take it for a walk”, giving it some direct sunlight on the windowsil.Oh, yeah, and that’s my gf (who now lives here with me durably, BTW: she moved in and will stay until December —when I leave myself).

Yes, I do have this cactus indoors much of the time (appearing in the background of many of my youtube videos), but I also “take it for a walk”, giving it some direct sunlight on the windowsil.Oh, yeah, and that’s my gf (who now lives here with me durably, BTW: she moved in and will stay until December —when I leave myself).s

mamandeloulavegane

sorry my english is not so good

Maria (ManeEvent)

Good to see you looking happy and enjoying life.

Eisel Mazard

You can see more photos like this (showing my meaningless life in Dehong) on my twitter account: “eiselmazard” (on Twitter).

May 26 at 1:49pm

Q&A: Chiang Mai, Veganism, Meaning of Life, etc.

TBH, this is the sort of video that I imagine will be LESS interesting to Patreon supporters (and long-time viewers) than it will be to “outsiders”……however, yes, there is some “meaning-of-life” material in here, along with answering questions about Durianrider, travel in Thailand, my divorce, etc. etc.

TBH, this is the sort of video that I imagine will be LESS interesting to Patreon supporters (and long-time viewers) than it will be to “outsiders”……however, yes, there is some “meaning-of-life” material in here, along with answering questions about Durianrider, travel in Thailand, my divorce, etc. etc.

May 25 at 3:10pm

#insidejoke #vegansOfYoutube #pastapartyUSA

Nope, it wasn’t a custom job (although, non-ironically, I have actually been looking into getting custom-made vegan t-shirts here, so I can send them out to you guys)……this is a legit, off-the-rack Chinese t-shirt.

And, yeah, that’s one aspect of my girlfriend.

Nope, it wasn’t a custom job (although, non-ironically, I have actually been looking into getting custom-made vegan t-shirts here, so I can send them out to you guys)……this is a legit, off-the-rack Chinese t-shirt.

And, yeah, that’s one aspect of my girlfriend.

Maria (ManeEvent)

What… a woman in normal clothes not a bikini/bra top and tight shorts…. Ha, she’s no Vegan

Eisel Mazard

This scenario is going to end with her earning money from “weight-loss tea” endorsements on Instagram, right?

Maria (ManeEvent)

Also – cool shirt!

May 24 at 4:08pm

They don’t pay me to sing.

A scene from my extremely mysterious day job.** [Seriously: vegans will gossip about ANYTHING.]

Belinda

Scandalous.

NotKurtis

Clearly Dr. Evil has collected a harem of young Chinese slave women (we call them “girls”) to sing for him in English because he doesn’t speak any other languages. Show us the receipts!!!

Eisel Mazard

Clearly this was filmed in San Francisco, and I never went to China at all. Has anyone seen a single photograph that PROVES I live in China?

May 24 at 3:20pm

I am 95% sure this apology letter was NOT written by Harley Johnstone.

The letter-of-apology (from one of my students, who stood up and shouted, “I hate you” when leaving the classroom) is shared as an end in itself……but I note that Vegan Gains (of all people) sent me the link to a video in which Harley says he’s going to deliver an apology of some kind (soon). Meanwhile, another fan/viewer sent me a link to a statement from his blog that he has new sexual allegations he’s going to make against me (from a new source). Both may be true, but, at this point, he’s just doing anything for ratings. And his ratings are worse than Trump.

The letter-of-apology (from one of my students, who stood up and shouted, “I hate you” when leaving the classroom) is shared as an end in itself……but I note that Vegan Gains (of all people) sent me the link to a video in which Harley says he’s going to deliver an apology of some kind (soon). Meanwhile, another fan/viewer sent me a link to a statement from his blog that he has new sexual allegations he’s going to make against me (from a new source). Both may be true, but, at this point, he’s just doing anything for ratings. And his ratings are worse than Trump. of 5

Jacob Schröck

Seems like you are quite the strict teacher to evoke this kind of reaction.

Vegan Dreams

Well does it contain spelling errors? If so then it could be!!

May 23 at 8:13pm

Finally got a court judgement from France (divorce / daughter / “death”)

Well… this is better than living in a constant state of anticipation.The function of the court here was only to overturn an earlier court’s decision (the one that declared me “missing without a trace” —thus, legally dead— and made it possible for me to be ruled-against, and to be stripped of my rights as a father, without my even being informed that a court-proceeding happened at all, etc.).

All that this court-ruling does is assign a number of days per year for me to spend with my daughter —and while that is considerably better than nothing, it is still disappointing.

The judge seems to show no interest in the very obvious lies that were built into the earlier judgement and legal process (e.g., I did not disappear without a trace in Taiwan… and my ex-wife’s constant email with me in Canada (right up to the date of the “secret” court ruling against me) proves that this was an intentional deception). That may indeed reflect the limited function of this court decision: it is doing nothing but overturning the earlier court-decision.

NEVERTHELESS, it is disappointing.

This was a situation with a very clear injustice —and I came to court asking for justice (simply put). There is, really, no possibility of any justice even hinted at in these court-documents.

However, there is the possibility that I will finally see my daughter again.

Well… this is better than living in a constant state of anticipation.The function of the court here was only to overturn an earlier court’s decision (the one that declared me “missing without a trace” —thus, legally dead— and made it possible for me to be ruled-against, and to be stripped of my rights as a father, without my even being informed that a court-proceeding happened at all, etc.).

All that this court-ruling does is assign a number of days per year for me to spend with my daughter —and while that is considerably better than nothing, it is still disappointing.

The judge seems to show no interest in the very obvious lies that were built into the earlier judgement and legal process (e.g., I did not disappear without a trace in Taiwan… and my ex-wife’s constant email with me in Canada (right up to the date of the “secret” court ruling against me) proves that this was an intentional deception). That may indeed reflect the limited function of this court decision: it is doing nothing but overturning the earlier court-decision.

NEVERTHELESS, it is disappointing.

This was a situation with a very clear injustice —and I came to court asking for justice (simply put). There is, really, no possibility of any justice even hinted at in these court-documents.

However, there is the possibility that I will finally see my daughter again.s

Nicolas GONOT

Is it a judgment from a “cour de cassation”? You should be able to see your daughter on the first 15 days of august

Heather

Eisel, I’m so sorry this isn’t the judgment you wanted… but, glad you will be able to spend some time with your daughter. It’s not every father who would go to the lengths you’ve gone to pursue a meaningful relationship with his child, and it’s clear to me you do so out of love and strength of character. If no other good comes from this, I hope someday when your daughter looks back many years from now she will recognize how much her father loves her. I applaud you for not giving up and for working so hard to do the right thing in this challenging situation… I truly believe things will get better for you as time go by, and I wish you all the best.

May 23 at 7:56pm

Divorce update (reading in French at 3:00 AM in China)

Okay, well… reading in French at 2:00 AM (now 3:00 AM) increases your risk of misinterpretation. At first glance, I looked at one of the early pages, and thought it was contrasting the earlier judgement to the current judgement —but it was, in fact, contrasting the earlier judgement to the demands made by my lawyer (okay). The final judgement is a bit more verbose, but doesn’t add up to much:

(1) I have the right to see my daughter again (the most important thing), with some details (15 days in one month, 15 days in another, etc.) and (2) that I DON’T have to pay child support (WHAT?). Otherwise, nothing changes until the final divorce settlement? Okay, I guess?———-

La cour… Révocque l’ordonnance de clôture et dit que le clôture de l’instruction de l’affaire est intervenue à l’audience, avant l’ouverture des débats.

Confirme la décision enterprise en toutes ses dispositions, excepté le droit de visite et d’hébergement et le principe de la contribution paternelle à l’entretien et l’education de l’enfant.

Et statuant à nouveau

Instaure au profit du père, à défaut de meilleur accord des parents, un droit de visite et d’hébergement quinze jours pendant la période estivale, les puinze premiers jours de juillet les années paires … [more details on the days of the month ensue]

Die que les frais de transport seront à la charge du père et qu’il devra ramener l’enfant avant 19h le dernier jour de sa période de droit de visite.

Dispense Eisel Mazard de toute contribution paternelle à l’entretien et l’éducation de l’enfant.

Et y ajoutant

Laisse à cacune des parties la charge des dépens par elles exposés.—–

—–

The court … Revokes the order of closure and says that the closure of the hearing of the case occurred at the hearing before the opening of the hearing.

Confirms the enterprise decision in all its provisions, except the right of access and accommodation and the principle of the paternal contribution to the maintenance and education of the child.

And re-enacting

In the absence of a better agreement from the parents, the father has the right to visit and lodge a fortnight during the summer period, the first two days of July in the even years … [more details on the days of the month ensue]

That the transportation costs will be borne by the father and that he will have to return the child before 7 pm the last day of his period of access.

Dispensing Eisel Mazard from any paternal contribution to the upkeep and education of the child.

And adding

Leaves to each party the charge of costs incurred by them.

Okay, well… reading in French at 2:00 AM (now 3:00 AM) increases your risk of misinterpretation. At first glance, I looked at one of the early pages, and thought it was contrasting the earlier judgement to the current judgement —but it was, in fact, contrasting the earlier judgement to the demands made by my lawyer (okay). The final judgement is a bit more verbose, but doesn’t add up to much:

(1) I have the right to see my daughter again (the most important thing), with some details (15 days in one month, 15 days in another, etc.) and (2) that I DON’T have to pay child support (WHAT?). Otherwise, nothing changes until the final divorce settlement? Okay, I guess?———-

La cour… Révocque l’ordonnance de clôture et dit que le clôture de l’instruction de l’affaire est intervenue à l’audience, avant l’ouverture des débats.

Confirme la décision enterprise en toutes ses dispositions, excepté le droit de visite et d’hébergement et le principe de la contribution paternelle à l’entretien et l’education de l’enfant.

Et statuant à nouveau

Instaure au profit du père, à défaut de meilleur accord des parents, un droit de visite et d’hébergement quinze jours pendant la période estivale, les puinze premiers jours de juillet les années paires … [more details on the days of the month ensue]

Die que les frais de transport seront à la charge du père et qu’il devra ramener l’enfant avant 19h le dernier jour de sa période de droit de visite.

Dispense Eisel Mazard de toute contribution paternelle à l’entretien et l’éducation de l’enfant.

Et y ajoutant

Laisse à cacune des parties la charge des dépens par elles exposés.—–

—–

The court … Revokes the order of closure and says that the closure of the hearing of the case occurred at the hearing before the opening of the hearing.

Confirms the enterprise decision in all its provisions, except the right of access and accommodation and the principle of the paternal contribution to the maintenance and education of the child.

And re-enacting

In the absence of a better agreement from the parents, the father has the right to visit and lodge a fortnight during the summer period, the first two days of July in the even years … [more details on the days of the month ensue]

That the transportation costs will be borne by the father and that he will have to return the child before 7 pm the last day of his period of access.

Dispensing Eisel Mazard from any paternal contribution to the upkeep and education of the child.

And adding

Leaves to each party the charge of costs incurred by them.s

Genevieve Jackson

My heart is happy that you will be with Alexandra soon.

Emmet Larrissy

It is great that you will see your daughter again. I have spent enough time in France to perceive the bureaucratic system with fear and confusion (even worse than the food ).

May 23 at 1:59am

Lies, Lies, LIES. (Vegans, vegans, VEGANS.)

Uh… maybe I’ll come up with a better title for this one. MAYBE.Note that this one CANNOT be consumed as a podcast: you really need to see the text on-screen.

This takes an analytical approach to the overall pattern of people making up lies about my personal life (on the internet) —while dealing with a few particular examples along the way.

Uh… maybe I’ll come up with a better title for this one. MAYBE.Note that this one CANNOT be consumed as a podcast: you really need to see the text on-screen.

This takes an analytical approach to the overall pattern of people making up lies about my personal life (on the internet) —while dealing with a few particular examples along the way.

Genevieve Jackson

Gregor’s video can downplay information that doesn’t agree with him. For instance I was very annoyed by a pets perhaps preventing allergies. His staff apologized, and said the study indeed didn’t take certain things into account that I suspected.,

Genevieve Jackson

Off topic, but have you seen this weird channel that says Freelee is a Freemason? It’s really weird. Kind of amusing.

May 22 at 2:03pm

[Other voices:] El-P: Are There Vegan Rappers? | TMZ TV

Less than two minutes long. I just had to. 0

Nick Knowles

thoughts on Death Grips?

Eisel Mazard

Four words: “Art-house novelty act”.

Genevieve Jackson

There are so many great vegan places in NYC. Steak houses are so outdated. Officially a vegan hippy these days.

May 22 at 12:18am

Tear it down: why I oppose the Thai Fruit Festival / Bike Festival.

The shrewd amongst you will notice that this was recorded as an interview —but the voice of the person interviewing me has been removed. Why? Fear of reprisals from Harley / Durianrider. Sad fact.

Genevieve Jackson

I’m going in ten years. By that time it will be run by Thai Ladybois.

John Edward

I think Durianrider probably was at least sincere in his denunciations of alcohol. That is about the only good thing I could say about him now.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah… D.R. and I do have a few things in common, and implacable opposition to alcohol and video games would be examples.

May 20 at 3:31pm

[Other voices:] “Based Zeus” is Vegan.

This is a genre within youtube that I have never seen before, and I can just barely admit to myself that it exists. Circa 4 minutes into the tape-reel, you get some “hard hitting” advice from a cartoon character about both your vegan diet, and spreading the vegan message.I have to admit: I miss protein powder.

This is a genre within youtube that I have never seen before, and I can just barely admit to myself that it exists. Circa 4 minutes into the tape-reel, you get some “hard hitting” advice from a cartoon character about both your vegan diet, and spreading the vegan message.I have to admit: I miss protein powder. of 4

Dynamic Eye Studios

They teach classes on how to make videos go viral through Jumpcut Academy charging students close to $1’000.- for a 6 month course, close to $200.- a month. I did some google searching and found that there are many websites that buy theses courses and resell them for a lower price. For this particular course I’ve found rates around $40.- not only that but I found someone else who was willing to send me half of the 17 hours of footage and material from Jumpcut Academy’s course as a trial, for the rest he want’s me to pay in bitcoin. I really think vegans could benefit from this course so here’s the link which doesn’t work well on Safari Browser: https://mega.nz/#F!Og5ylAKL!Ym2-mgGPrhTSbCpj1rFbrg

Genevieve Jackson

My son actually showed me this channel.

May 19 at 11:08am

Vegan Footsoldier: Durianrider court case, festival canceled, Eisel Mazard.

It is what it is, man.Every time I make a video of this kind —seriously— I hope it’ll be my last.

TITLE EDIT: for no particular reason, I changed the title of the video to, “Vegan Footsoldier: what if you (and Durianrider) are 100% right?”.

It is what it is, man.Every time I make a video of this kind —seriously— I hope it’ll be my last.

TITLE EDIT: for no particular reason, I changed the title of the video to, “Vegan Footsoldier: what if you (and Durianrider) are 100% right?”.

Marion Poliquin

It’s interesting to see that even the most hardcore and unconditional followers of Durianrider know, if only deep inside, that he his a capricious manchild. Their expectations towards Harley are so low that they never make it up to him to resolve a situation like an adult.

Eisel Mazard

Recently (in Chiang Mai, and after returning to China from Chiang Mai) I have had direct conversations with long-time Durianrider supporters. I would say the most striking thing is their awareness that HIS ADVICE IS TERRIBLE. One guy (who is a personal friend to D.R.) confessed to me his sense of shame in trying to warn his own girlfriend that the advice (about life, career, etc.) that D.R. was providing was really terrible / self-destructive.

John Edward

*eventually came to realize

May 19 at 1:33am

Snapshot of myself teaching (University-level students)s

Tom Lewis

Mate, you tall

Genevieve Jackson

Yo teach?

May 17 at 4:55pm

[Other voices:] Eisel Mazard the Vegan Sex GOD

Context, people… you have to understand these things IN CONTEXT.Viewed in context, it may be entirely true… quoted out of context, misleading or even slanderous.

Seth Meyers

eisel, if you could somehow magically flip all humans to become sincere ethical vegans by spending the rest of your life as a fully heterosexual man who only had sex by preforming oral sex on other men, would you make that deal? would you take one for the team?

Eisel Mazard

Nope. Couldn’t make the deal. To be filed under: hypothetical situations unlikely to happen in a world lacking gods or demons.

NotKurtis

“Narsassitic”

NotKurtis

#CommentsSectionBlues

May 16 at 5:20am

Durianrider CANCELS the Thai Fruit Festival / Bike Festival.

Of course, most of the people who WOULD have attended Durianrider’s event already purchased their airplane tickets (and a few are already in Thailand) —so an alternative festival has been organized (basically representing vegans who reject Durianrider’s “leadership”).https://www.facebook.com/groups/1372083459497652/

There’s the link to “The New Thai Vegan Fest”, if you’re interested.

Of course, most of the people who WOULD have attended Durianrider’s event already purchased their airplane tickets (and a few are already in Thailand) —so an alternative festival has been organized (basically representing vegans who reject Durianrider’s “leadership”).https://www.facebook.com/groups/1372083459497652/

There’s the link to “The New Thai Vegan Fest”, if you’re interested.s

NotKurtis

Eisel, he’s still calling you a pedophile. https://youtu.be/fWZT6bQJI9g – 3.10 – “rock spider” = aus slang for pedophile. (Unrelated: According to Wiktionary, also a slur for an Afrikaner in South Africa)

Dynamic Eye Studios

I see this as an exciting development, the fall of a tyrant freeing up space for new more compassionate leadership forms. However my only concern is that Harley won’t be able to remain vegan if he were put in jail.

Eisel Mazard

Not a lot of new talent: within the last year, Freelee and Harley were (basically) destroyed (or “self-destructed”) …but who has replaced them?

May 15 at 4:11pm

[Interview:] The Ecological and Ethical Core of Veganism (vs. Freelee, etc.)

NotKurtis

Completely off-topic: during this interview video at about 8:33, you appear to begin to say “could care less” then correct yourself to “could not care less”. I have not once heard someone with an accent from the North American continent or the UK recite the phrase properly till now, yet have never heard someone in Australia recite it wrong (in fairness, the stumble over words could have been unrelated to the phrase). Thankyou for being a shining beacon of hope, Eisel

Eisel Mazard

Fight the power.

May 15 at 3:45pm

Durianrider admits the court-case is real… + yet more defamation!

I think this is self-explanatory.The main thing to emphasize here is that Durianrider was insisting (until a few days ago) that the court-case was entirely fictional (with wildly inventive theories, such as claiming that I hired actors to PRETEND to be my lawyers, and claiming that the paperwork I was showing was some kind of forgery, etc.

So, here, for the first time, we see a change in tactics: Durianrider admits that the court-case is real… and is trying to fight back with YET MORE DEFAMATION.

I think this is self-explanatory.The main thing to emphasize here is that Durianrider was insisting (until a few days ago) that the court-case was entirely fictional (with wildly inventive theories, such as claiming that I hired actors to PRETEND to be my lawyers, and claiming that the paperwork I was showing was some kind of forgery, etc.

So, here, for the first time, we see a change in tactics: Durianrider admits that the court-case is real… and is trying to fight back with YET MORE DEFAMATION.s

Matthias K.

doesn’t get better

Vegan Dreams

BUT IS IT REAL!!!

May 14 at 11:36am

Bruce Wayne vs. Batman: Ted Carr’s Permanent Vacation.

This is another edited fragment of my “critique” of the permanent-vacation-philosophy of Ted Carr (frankly, I think it’s more enjoyable as a series of shorter, edited videos) —and, inexplicably/miraculously, the original video was banned from youtube for “bullying”. Whether or not this qualifies as bullying, YOU DECIDE.

This is another edited fragment of my “critique” of the permanent-vacation-philosophy of Ted Carr (frankly, I think it’s more enjoyable as a series of shorter, edited videos) —and, inexplicably/miraculously, the original video was banned from youtube for “bullying”. Whether or not this qualifies as bullying, YOU DECIDE.

Maddalena

Are you familiar with Dr Jordan B Peterson’s ideas? I see a lot of similarities between you and him when he talks about living a meaningful live, being the best version of yourself, being ambitious and first of all escaping from “Pleasure Island”…

Madeleine McCallum

Eisel has summarily dismissed Peterson here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKHKug67QTQ Peterson is Sam Harris-level. His work is both good and original, but the parts that are good aren’t original, and the parts that are original aren’t good. He’s certainly an engaging character and it can be stimulating to listen to him and try to sort the wheat from the chaff in what he has to say. But he should be taken with a grain of salt and listened to with a very skeptical mindset. I don’t think he should be taken seriously as an academic or a philosopher. Lately he has really devolved into shallow propaganda and I think those kinds of selfish motivations were never that far from the surface of his thought.

May 12 at 2:51am

[Other voices:] Veganism: the beautiful struggle. [2 min.]

From “The Urban Black Vegan”s

Brendan Cross

Dead link for me?

NotKurtis

Channel is called “urban black vegan” and that video is “the beautiful struggle”

Dynamic Eye Studios

Dope video, thanks for the share!

May 12 at 1:12am

Bios3training vs. vegans: it’s not preaching, it’s about respect.s

NotKurtis

This brings to mind a couple of recent events, and discussions around them, in the workplace. During one of the monthly staff lunches at my workplace (we’re consultants, about 50% regularly working remotely, so it’s also a “team-building” exercise), the vegan option ordered for me (Mexican restaurant: veggie nachos minus cheese and sour cream) had sour cream (Mexican’t), and one coworker insisting I should eat it anyway repeatedly became a heated discussion. I ended it with “I dont just not expect you to agree, I expect you to never care about animal ethics. We’re only having this discussion because you can’t show me the respect I deserve, AND you won’t fuck off”. Another encounter in a previous month involved a coworker trying to slip meat into my food as a prank. It very nearly became a physical confrontation. Oh and today there is a homemade sausage competition 5m from my office window. Today, smelling gross burning fat that got torn from a feeling animal, hearing hearty guffaws at jokes about heart attacks, is not a good day to be vegan for me.

May 11 at 4:20am

[Interview:] Real Veganism vs. the Chiang Mai Permanent Vacation Mentality.

This is “part two” of the edited interview. All three parts will appear in a playlist (that already has two of the three visible).

Richard

I realise this was recorded some time ago at the height of the drama surrounding Durianrider’s actions towards you, but you do not come across very well in this conversation. While you may have had good cause to be bitter, angry and judgemental at that time, being so doesn’t make you a sympathetic character. To put it bluntly: you’re not very likeable – even if you’re morally in the right.

Eisel Mazard

Wooo, you got the wrong channel, boy! We don’t play that pussy shit around here! https://youtu.be/QcUCaG6vxBQ?t=7s

May 10 at 5:08pm

Talking to a mainstream journalist (edited)

Remarkably few of my patreon supporters (who are remarkably few to begin with) have been here continuously since early 2016: so, this discussion with a journalist will be new to many of you, and, to others, this will be an edited excerpt of something you may have heard before (with some photos, also, that you may have seen before, although in a totally different context).We supposedly have less than one month until I hear from the judge in France —although the last two “decisions” from that court were the judge giving himself an extension (i.e., declaring a new timeline for the judgement, again and again).

Remarkably few of my patreon supporters (who are remarkably few to begin with) have been here continuously since early 2016: so, this discussion with a journalist will be new to many of you, and, to others, this will be an edited excerpt of something you may have heard before (with some photos, also, that you may have seen before, although in a totally different context).We supposedly have less than one month until I hear from the judge in France —although the last two “decisions” from that court were the judge giving himself an extension (i.e., declaring a new timeline for the judgement, again and again).

Belinda

Hope you get to see your daughter soon bro. She is ridiculously cute by the way (not that you’ll need telling).

May 8 at 7:17pm

[Less than 2 minutes long:] Klaus, this is not a game.

Directly demanding that Plant Based News apologize, and report THE REAL FACTS OF THE CASE.

Noggy Goggy

Plant Based Fake News.

May 8 at 4:25pm

Reckless Optimism (About the Future of the Vegan Movement) in Chiang Mai, Thailand.

Featuring Dexter Deveau: https://www.youtube.com/user/sexydexy145(You may or may not recall him from a podcast we did together more than a month back.)s

Genevieve Jackson

That was a cute video.

ModVegan

I liked it, too. Can we have a little more reckless optimism, please?

May 8 at 8:01am

Asking Klaus (Plant Based News) to do the right thing.

A few of my Patreons speak to Klaus more often than I do.Klaus is among the people who falsely claimed –before– that my court-case was a scam. He cast aspersions on my character, and on the veracity/honesty of my fundraiser.

Klaus: it is WAY PAST TIME for you to step up and do the right thing.

A few of my Patreons speak to Klaus more often than I do.Klaus is among the people who falsely claimed –before– that my court-case was a scam. He cast aspersions on my character, and on the veracity/honesty of my fundraiser.

Klaus: it is WAY PAST TIME for you to step up and do the right thing.s

NotKurtis

Retractions are something every news service has to do, every news service knows they should deep down want to do, and i can imagine every news service doesn’t want to do. I guess Klaus only feels the third one, and maybe a hint of the second?

Eisel Mazard

Klaus has had more than six months to deal with this? Oct. 27th, 2016 = date of his interview with Cheetah uploaded. That was a LONG time ago.

May 8 at 7:41am

The stack of evidence presented in court (will Durianrider go to jail?)

The title is very close to the entire content of this video: you get to see the courthouse, you get to see the stack of evidence, and you get some philosophical remarks made in the parking lot. That’s a wrap.s

Nick Knowles

LOCK HIM UP LOCK HIM UP!!!

Nicolas GONOT

Simple stupid question, does the judges speak english ? Do you have a translator to be able to speak during trial ?

Eisel Mazard

Everything is conducted in Thai (via translators, etc.).

May 7 at 3:38pm

Arrived in Thailand for the court case; nobody tried to kill me (yet).

You guys may or may not have seen screen-shots of D.R.’s renewed attempts to imply that SOMEONE will stab me (if I dare to set foot in Chiang Mai, Thailand, ever again).Not only did I arrive in Thailand today (and met with my lawyer), but I also ended up spending a ton of time at the one corner that could be considered “dangerous” (same place a guy tried to start a fight with me last year) –the upscale “Maya” shopping mall (that’s where all the Durianrider clones hang out, for whatever reason… perhaps just access to air-conditioning, and the proximity to the highway that takes you up to Doi Suthep).

I actually didn’t plan to hang out there, but the places I had planned to stop by (just to get some food) were shut down by a power-blackout (yeah… the squalor of Chiang Mai looks even worse when compared to the splendor of Dehong).

As always, Durianrider’s death-threats failed to materialize (remember when I actually told him exactly where I’d be (and when) at that karaoke bar?).

The photo in the top-left shows the airport rooftop, where I managed to do 120 push-ups before getting on the airplane (last time I flew out of Dehong it was 160 —I have no idea why I remember that, but I do— but this depends on how much time I’ve got waiting, and, in this case, how brightly the sun was shining, TBH).

So, yeah, we should have the next (but not final) update on the court-case tomorrow, as I stand before a justice, and make sworn witness testimony via a translator.

Although I’m NOT complaining, I just note: my lawyer was very friendly with me today, and I think he’s being so friendly because another bill is coming. I’m not planning to hold a fundraiser for any further fees: I should be able to withstand it (out of my handsome salary as Dehong’s only white, western English professor).

And, yes, if the case requires me to fly back again (quite possible, based on today’s conversation) then I suppose it could be an excuse for my girlfriend to see Thailand/Chiang Mai (but the timing may be tricky: I do have a job).

You guys may or may not have seen screen-shots of D.R.’s renewed attempts to imply that SOMEONE will stab me (if I dare to set foot in Chiang Mai, Thailand, ever again).Not only did I arrive in Thailand today (and met with my lawyer), but I also ended up spending a ton of time at the one corner that could be considered “dangerous” (same place a guy tried to start a fight with me last year) –the upscale “Maya” shopping mall (that’s where all the Durianrider clones hang out, for whatever reason… perhaps just access to air-conditioning, and the proximity to the highway that takes you up to Doi Suthep).

I actually didn’t plan to hang out there, but the places I had planned to stop by (just to get some food) were shut down by a power-blackout (yeah… the squalor of Chiang Mai looks even worse when compared to the splendor of Dehong).

As always, Durianrider’s death-threats failed to materialize (remember when I actually told him exactly where I’d be (and when) at that karaoke bar?).

The photo in the top-left shows the airport rooftop, where I managed to do 120 push-ups before getting on the airplane (last time I flew out of Dehong it was 160 —I have no idea why I remember that, but I do— but this depends on how much time I’ve got waiting, and, in this case, how brightly the sun was shining, TBH).

So, yeah, we should have the next (but not final) update on the court-case tomorrow, as I stand before a justice, and make sworn witness testimony via a translator.

Although I’m NOT complaining, I just note: my lawyer was very friendly with me today, and I think he’s being so friendly because another bill is coming. I’m not planning to hold a fundraiser for any further fees: I should be able to withstand it (out of my handsome salary as Dehong’s only white, western English professor).

And, yes, if the case requires me to fly back again (quite possible, based on today’s conversation) then I suppose it could be an excuse for my girlfriend to see Thailand/Chiang Mai (but the timing may be tricky: I do have a job).s

John Edward

I actually haven’t seen anyone besides Durianrider claim your side of the story is fake, or you being a creep, for a long time. Not sure if this is merely a change among-st myself (I used to be a big fan) or a sign of the times.

NotKurtis

I get the impression it had died down too, but i watch too little of the dumber/est channels to really know.

Tom Lewis

Eisel “Dutch Angle” Mazard strikes again

May 6 at 8:52am

ASOIAF: Religion & Regression (“A Song For Lya”, Preston Jacobs & Stannis as Anti-Hero)

Well, I have fewer than 200 Patreon supporters right now… perhaps a few of you are interested in the book-series known as “A Song of Ice and Fire” (by George R.R. Martin) and made famous by the T.V. adaptation called, “A Game of Thrones”.If not… well, if you start this video at the 12 minute mark, you might actually be interested in some of the political and historical content anyway.

Well, I have fewer than 200 Patreon supporters right now… perhaps a few of you are interested in the book-series known as “A Song of Ice and Fire” (by George R.R. Martin) and made famous by the T.V. adaptation called, “A Game of Thrones”.If not… well, if you start this video at the 12 minute mark, you might actually be interested in some of the political and historical content anyway.s

Matthias K.

Don’t know whyI watched the whole video, never read the books, but I started watching the show with a friend. I kind of hate it now x) but I’m planning on buying at least the first book, Game of Thrones, because of you. or maybe the novel… dunk and egg?… you were talking about

Eisel Mazard

“Dunk and Egg” is indeed the title: three short novels, sometimes packaged as one book. You can get it as an audiobook instead, if you prefer. It is unfortunate that the first “full” novel is the weakest (“Game of Thrones” per se).

Katherine de Roet

Hey I’ve been watching you for a while now and really, really enjoy your political discussions on veganism and ethics. As a huge ASOIAF fan I really appreciate your perspective. I do like Preston Jacobs’s work but since not many other people seem to have read the thousand worlds series, let alone offered a critique, it’s nice to hear what others have to say. Also, I’m definitely a fan that at first considered themselves ‘above’ a story about dragons and holy shit was I wrong. I like that you made that point as I don’t think many commentators have the courage to admit that. Reading the books for the first time, then seeing the TV show, I was struck by how different the Danny storyline is. She sells out all of her ideals and doesn’t respect the culture or history of slavers bay in the books. Same goes for Tyrion. You did a video where you mention the differences between book and show Tyrion and I totally agree that D&D have missed some fundamental things about his character – probably to make the show more digestible for viewers – but he is so much more complex and not very likeable in the books imo. He’s not the champion of the people D&D have presented him as lol Anyways, thanks again and I’m looking forward to hearing more from you about the series

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in, Katherine: Danny realistically sells out her ideals without (1) recognizing it as such, and (2) without anyone telling her (or complaining) that this is what she’s doing. Even in our own era, I doubt that Obama had many people (perhaps not even one person) in his social circle who directly pointed out to him the extent to which he had violated/discarded his own election promises. England’s Tony Blair is an even more extreme case (he published a book stating his political objectives prior to election… and then “sold out” to an absurd extent… but was he even aware of it? Did anyone on his “small council” ever tell HIM that?).

May 6 at 3:26am

[2 min.] The resolution of the dispute with “Ask Yourself”?

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“Ask Yourself” (Isaac) asked me to contribute a comment to a video he made to announce that the conflict between us has ended: I assume that video will appear soon on his channel, but here’s my two-minute-long contribution.This is about as magnanimous as I could manage to sound, given the circumstances.

“Ask Yourself” (Isaac) asked me to contribute a comment to a video he made to announce that the conflict between us has ended: I assume that video will appear soon on his channel, but here’s my two-minute-long contribution.This is about as magnanimous as I could manage to sound, given the circumstances.s

NotKurtis

The a bask le celf debate, round 2: “should vegan yotuubers use cartoon avatars in their videos?”

jack’s Afer effort

OMG Jack does it now too lol. I don’t mind it, but I’d like to see the actual person now and then.

Genevieve Jackson

Vegan toon town! Just like in Roger Rabbit.

May 5 at 12:43am

The channel now has playlists, BTW (useful for new members?)

The playlists are definitely NOT a “greatest hits” collection, but they’re videos that fall into an established category: thus, e.g., today’s video is posted to the “advice nobody wants to hear” playlist (but I have no reason to think these are especially-good videos).I do think that “the wildlife management paradigm” is the most important new concept on the channel.

Hm… I could also create a playlist for the book-reviews (I’m guessing there are about 5 by now?).

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

The playlists are definitely NOT a “greatest hits” collection, but they’re videos that fall into an established category: thus, e.g., today’s video is posted to the “advice nobody wants to hear” playlist (but I have no reason to think these are especially-good videos).I do think that “the wildlife management paradigm” is the most important new concept on the channel.

Hm… I could also create a playlist for the book-reviews (I’m guessing there are about 5 by now?).

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlistss

Patrick P.

A playlist for ridicule of public intellectuals?

Eisel Mazard

Who would be on the list? Sam Harris and Noam Chomsky? That’s about it.

Dynamic Eye Studios

Eisel, speaking of wildlife management and species conservation, I got into an debate with someone who has worked as a veterinarian and had her horses conceive via artificial insemination which I argue is something that shouldn’t be done. Imagine extraterrestrial beings, breeding us for consumption or their own pleasure or to put us to work. This individual went on to upholding that “AI” is a good practice because it creates diversity, helps conservation of species. Here is a segment of her comment: “You do realize MANY domestic animals are conceived thru AI right? Everything from breeding/show dogs and cats, horses, cattle, llamas/alpacas, camels and even exotics such as big cats, pandas, rhinos and elephants and cetaceans. Once again this creates diversity, helps conservation of species AND is safer for the animals. Oddly enough, it’s only the fundamentalist vegans or animal rights activists sick and warped minds who make the scientific AI procedure sexualized with claims of bestiality or perverse gratification. I can assure you, none of us in a educated or professional capacity thinks “oh dangggg he/she about to get them some”. ” Is fighting against “AI” a bad idea?

Eisel Mazard

You can probably guess what my answer is going to be: in principle, “the lesser of two evils is still evil” —if we’re talking about an endangered species on the brink of extinction, yes, I can imagine A.I. being morally justified for that purpose. But many, many evil things would be justified to try to save a species from extinction (and eventually reintroduce it to the wild). Otherwise, sure: in general, A.I. is evil —and the whole dairy industry relies on it, etc. The tactical question you’re asking is, “Can A.I. become a separate line of activism?” —in the same way that Blackfish made whales/dolphins a separate line of activism. I doubt it. Right now, not even leather is successful as a separate line of activism.

May 5 at 12:19am

It’s a small world / it’s a short list: vegans on Youtube…

This is a rough list: I went through Steven Feit’s list and eliminated any channels that were entirely about food or weight-loss (some of the names I’ve never heard of before may be falsely included here). This is, therefore, a rough list of vegan youtube channels that are neither about weight-loss nor cuisine/cooking.If you then go through the list and make an even shorter list of content you might be willing to watch…

…yeah, it’s a small world, and this is a short list.

This is a rough list: I went through Steven Feit’s list and eliminated any channels that were entirely about food or weight-loss (some of the names I’ve never heard of before may be falsely included here). This is, therefore, a rough list of vegan youtube channels that are neither about weight-loss nor cuisine/cooking.If you then go through the list and make an even shorter list of content you might be willing to watch…

…yeah, it’s a small world, and this is a short list.s

Genevieve Jackson

John Sakars sucks

Eisel Mazard

But his content is neither food nor weight-loss, so he’s on the list.

Marion Poliquin

I think you can cross Orlin Home off your list.

Eisel Mazard

Plenty of them could be. I’ve googled a few of the names I didn’t know before, e.g., “devious demi”. No, it does not seem that there’s a wealth of yet-to-be-discovered talent out there.

May 4 at 11:10pm

Morality without Ambition is Meaningless. ADVICE NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR [Ep. 008]

In practice, a lack of ambition starts to resemble evil; morality without ambition would not be morality at all.{YOU TELL ME: why was this video, “banned from youtube”? Conversely, if this crosses the line, what doesn’t?]s

James Newman

I’m getting a “we’re processing this video, check back later” error.

Eisel Mazard

Should work now.

May 4 at 8:08am

[Not a podcast:] Youtube censorship vs. à-bas-le-ciel

CENSORED_Ted_Carr_is_a_loser.mp3

You may or may not have heard at the conclusion of a recent video: my channel has been threatened with deletion (!) because youtube considers my critique of Ted Carr to be “bullying”.I’ve endured A LOT of bullying on Youtube (including serious criminal allegations against me, doxxing, unforgivable things said about my mother, daughter, ex-wife, and about my sex-wife, along with defamation of many forms) and there is not a single example of a video being censored by youtube in that manner (i.e., none of the videos against me were censored in the way that my criticism of Ted Carr was).

So… how bad is it?

Well, this is censorship in action: I am (right now!) editing and re-uploading the deleted monologue as a series of shorter videos. Here’s a one minute clip of the most vile thing I said (IMHO) —and of the type of material I’m now censoring out.

Is it impolite to say that Ted Carr “looks 45 years old”? Yes, it’s impolite: but if THIS is unacceptable as “bullying”, what would be acceptable?

Conversely, how is it possible that “community standards” were never enforced against Durianrider? Ted Carr does not have legal paperwork against me (saying that he looks 45 isn’t defamation, it isn’t a threat of violence, and it isn’t a crime)… whereas I do have legal paperwork against D.R.!

You may or may not have heard at the conclusion of a recent video: my channel has been threatened with deletion (!) because youtube considers my critique of Ted Carr to be “bullying”.I’ve endured A LOT of bullying on Youtube (including serious criminal allegations against me, doxxing, unforgivable things said about my mother, daughter, ex-wife, and about my sex-wife, along with defamation of many forms) and there is not a single example of a video being censored by youtube in that manner (i.e., none of the videos against me were censored in the way that my criticism of Ted Carr was).

So… how bad is it?

Well, this is censorship in action: I am (right now!) editing and re-uploading the deleted monologue as a series of shorter videos. Here’s a one minute clip of the most vile thing I said (IMHO) —and of the type of material I’m now censoring out.

Is it impolite to say that Ted Carr “looks 45 years old”? Yes, it’s impolite: but if THIS is unacceptable as “bullying”, what would be acceptable?

Conversely, how is it possible that “community standards” were never enforced against Durianrider? Ted Carr does not have legal paperwork against me (saying that he looks 45 isn’t defamation, it isn’t a threat of violence, and it isn’t a crime)… whereas I do have legal paperwork against D.R.!

The Vegan Dilemma

What’s the latest on this?

Eisel Mazard

One video (on Ted Carr) was deleted by youtube, and I got a “strike” for violating community guidelines: the appeal was denied (i.e., they confirmed that this was their decision). I have no idea what definition of “bullying” makes this video illegal while allowing ASTOUNDING levels of slander and defamation against me, etc.

May 3 at 11:56pm

Roaming Millennial is Right About Vegan Extremists.

[Footnote: this video got a copyright claim from Ghostface, due to the audio-loop in the intro!]Links (as alluded to in the video) on Prof. Steven Best:

https://speakingofresearch.com/2012/10/23/prof-steven-best-gets-a-taste-of-his-own-medicine-and-doesnt-like-it/

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/claws-come-out-in-dispute-between-animal-rights-activists.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420965/professors-manifesto-vegans-must-illegally-overthrow-society-save-world-katherine

[Footnote: this video got a copyright claim from Ghostface, due to the audio-loop in the intro!]Links (as alluded to in the video) on Prof. Steven Best:

https://speakingofresearch.com/2012/10/23/prof-steven-best-gets-a-taste-of-his-own-medicine-and-doesnt-like-it/

http://blogs.nature.com/news/2012/10/claws-come-out-in-dispute-between-animal-rights-activists.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420965/professors-manifesto-vegans-must-illegally-overthrow-society-save-world-katherine

i.am.a.jelly.doughnut

Communism goes against human nature.

NotKurtis

“Making moves back and forth uptown, 60 dollars plus toll is the licence fee “

Eisel Mazard

No offense, but that is from a different song, but both are from the same period of Ghostface’s work, as I recall. And yes, BTW, this video was flagged as copyright violation, because of the music clip used.

May 3 at 8:21am

Dept. of self-explanatory inside jokes: meme desk.

Yeah, I can still remember when Cheetah’s default “insult” against me was just to say, “Yeah, right! Learning Chinese in China!” —as if it was the most ridiculous thing he’d ever heard of.s

The Vegan Dilemma

Your “dealings” with this dude is one of the only inconsistencies I see with your YouTube presence. He’s such a toxic figure, I don’t understand why you put any energy towards him at all.

NotKurtis

It’s like birthing a child with the best intentions, but then that child morphs into (or regains their status as) a stupid, malicious addict. You feel sorry for and always want to believe in the potential of that child, no matter the pain they’ve caused you.

May 3 at 4:51am

Sonia Elsie: Hiring an Instagram Model as your Nanny / Au Pair.

Veganism makes this question more extreme: having someone help take care of your kid who is young (and inexperienced) BUT VEGAN seems much more appealing than having someone around who might secretly feed meat/dairy to your kid (a meat-eating nanny might feel better-informed than the vegan mom, and might never respect a vegan family’s wishes, complying only if you watch over them constantly, etc.). However, just saying it out loud, this doesn’t sound like a good idea: “Honey, I’m thinking about hiring an instagram model to help us take care of the baby”.

Veganism makes this question more extreme: having someone help take care of your kid who is young (and inexperienced) BUT VEGAN seems much more appealing than having someone around who might secretly feed meat/dairy to your kid (a meat-eating nanny might feel better-informed than the vegan mom, and might never respect a vegan family’s wishes, complying only if you watch over them constantly, etc.). However, just saying it out loud, this doesn’t sound like a good idea: “Honey, I’m thinking about hiring an instagram model to help us take care of the baby”.

gina lachman

having an au pair all comes down to cutting costs. these moms don’t realize they get what they pay for lol.

Eisel Mazard

I’m totally gonna hire an instagram model as my Chinese language tutor.

May 3 at 12:04am

Chicago makes history with first vegetarian museum

Chicago is home to museums centered around art, science, nature, children’s interests, various ethnic groups, broadcast communications and even surgical science. It can now add the vegetarian/vegan movement to the list. Chicago resident Kay Stepkin, who is herself a living part of the city’s rich vegetarian/vegan history, created what is believed to be the first museum of its type in the country and likely in the world.

nwitimes.com

[Headlines:] Chicago makes history with first vegetarian museum.

Quote, “It Stepkin’s hope the museum will pique interest in vegetarianism and veganism, while giving some support to those who already have made the change and yet live in a predominantly meat-eating world.”s

Esmeralda

Another step forward. History never stops. The unwritten is yet to pass. …… It is I !

May 2 at 3:07pm

Legal Documents: Can Anyone Here Read Thai?

New legal documents (FINALLY!?!?!?!?). PDF attached.

Legal, May 2017.pdf

Emmet Larrissy

well one thing that you can see is that Harley is referred to by both his own name and also his internet name. This was actually something that people tried to nitpick in the past.

May 2 at 2:32pm

Theatricality vs. Dishonesty on Youtube (feat. “Ask Yourself”, Ted Carr, Cory & Tara McCarthy)

The intro and conclusion to the video deal with a separate (but linked) issue: take a look at my past videos criticizing Ted Carr here, and you can decide for yourself if this crosses a line into bullying (of a sort that could get your channel censored and/or deleted): https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=ted+carr

The intro and conclusion to the video deal with a separate (but linked) issue: take a look at my past videos criticizing Ted Carr here, and you can decide for yourself if this crosses a line into bullying (of a sort that could get your channel censored and/or deleted): https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=ted+carr

John Edward

I knew a feud between you and ask yourself was inevitable. The circle jerk of you-tubers defending other vegans at all costs, (provided they promote veganism as the best thing since sliced bread) and promoting mythical qualities of veganism has gotten out of hand lately. I think it would take an enormous amount of bullshit, or misinformation for someone like vegan gains (look how long it took for him to call out DR) or ask yourself to call one out- if they support the vegan fundamentals they promote.

Eisel Mazard

The “undercurrent” in this video (still not entirely explicit in the conclusion) is that Youtube has gone through a long period of time in which people (i.e., fame-whores) didn’t think it was in their interest to co-operate —they thought it was in their interest to be in constant conflict (no matter how meaningless!). The strange this is that MEANINGLESS conflict is encouraged (by A.Y. himself, etc.) while people show remarkably little interest in addressing some very obvious “big issues” (that are actually worth debating).

ModVegan

Any reason the video isn’t available now?

May 2 at 2:26pm

[Podcast version:] Theatricality vs. Dishonesty on Youtube (feat. “Ask Yourself”, Ted Carr, Cory & Tara McCarthy)

Theatricality_vs_Dishonesty_on_Youtube_feat._22Ask_Yourself22_Ted_Carr_Cory__Tara_McCarthy.mp3

This is the MP3 (podcast version) of a video that has not yet finished uploading.

Here’s the description that will accompany the video: —– The intro and conclusion to the video deal with a separate (but linked) issue: take a look at my past videos criticizing Ted Carr here, and you can decide for yourself if this crosses a line into bullying (of a sort that could get your channel censored and/or deleted): https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=ted+carr

This is the MP3 (podcast version) of a video that has not yet finished uploading.

Here’s the description that will accompany the video: —– The intro and conclusion to the video deal with a separate (but linked) issue: take a look at my past videos criticizing Ted Carr here, and you can decide for yourself if this crosses a line into bullying (of a sort that could get your channel censored and/or deleted): https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=ted+carr

May 2 at 2:22pm

[Podcast Version:] Roaming Millennial: the Gay Rights Model for the Vegan Movement.

Roaming_Millennial_the_Gay_Rights_Model_for_the_Vegan_Movement.mp3

MP3/podcast version of the video (and, yes, you should have already seen the video posted).

May 2 at 10:29am

Roaming Millennial: the Gay Rights Model for the Vegan Movement.

There are, in fact, compelling reasons for why vegans need to be “out of the closet”, even if it is inconvenient for non-vegans (dare I say veganophobes?) —and the future progress of veganism may resemble the past progress of gay rights in some respects, for some roughly-comparable reasons.s

Will Hough

So true! It definitely does come up multiple times a day. That’s why it’s so important!! Also, why it’s so difficult…

Genevieve Jackson

This was so good. Even if you mention it casually this kind of attitude exists from people like this biatch. She’s also pro life. How does that work out in her head?

ModVegan

Ah, you must have missed the part where she said that some vegans upset her because they equate animals with fetuses. She probably thinks something along the lines of “fetuses have greater potential, kill the dumb animals.”

May 1 at 3:47pm

[4 min.] There will be no vegan revolution: veganism is not “class war”.

This is, in fact, a 4 minute clip with a link to a 35 minute video in the description below the video: VERY FEW of my current patreon supporters will have seen that video (new people join every month, and old people quit, even when the number of supporters remains the same).Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/pB4LXyL80Ds

This is, in fact, a 4 minute clip with a link to a 35 minute video in the description below the video: VERY FEW of my current patreon supporters will have seen that video (new people join every month, and old people quit, even when the number of supporters remains the same).Here’s the link: https://youtu.be/pB4LXyL80Ds

Will Hough

How about an emotional/spiritual/cultural non-violent revolution? How you can get into people’s hearts so they can adjust their own minds? What would be the precursor to get people to care enough to hear the message before veganism is even considered an option? How can we get veganism to become an obvious solution without it being the integral feature of a movement?

i.am.a.jelly.doughnut

You move a lot, man…Aren’t you looking to settle down and make somewhere home?

Eisel Mazard

Short answer is “yes” —and it’s a huge (ongoing) topic of conversation with my girlfriend, with my mom, and it is connected (in some sense) to the question of my divorce-resolution (spending time with my 4 year old daughter).

May 1 at 1:19pm

Reg Flowers: À-Bas-Le-Flowers / Reg-Le-Ciel.

THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO IS COMPLETELY SELF-EXPLANATORY!!!;-)s

Emmet Larrissy

The Evil Flower Doctors? This could also be a Hip Hop Group.

Lara Marieke

Shouldn’t it be À-Bas-Les-Flowers?

May 1 at 6:32am

Unnatural Vegan admits she’s wrong about Cats… BUT…

Unnatural Vegan admits that she’s wrong about many things… but never any of the things that I’ve pointed out she’s wrong about. :-/Starting 15:30 into the video, she claims that she’d prefer to be spayed/neutered herself, if she were in the cat’s position, as a sort of logical “fig leaf” (AHEM) for her argument.

Here’s the link if you want it: https://youtu.be/RdDQsdS2gfE

^ I did already know all of the information presented in the video (and, I note, she does not actually get into just how terrifying some of the mental effects of the disease spread by cat-urine can be: I’ve read several articles on that topic) however, if that information is new to you (e.g., cats spread some serious diseases, destroy wildlife to a significant extent, etc.) then you may enjoy the video more than I did. of 4

Eisel Mazard

In the original sequence of twitter comments, I also asked, “How is it possible that you recognize living indoors (for a cat) as suffering, but not castration? Peter Singer’s ghost?” (For some reason, I didn’t include this in the graphic, above.)

Genevieve Jackson

I’m getting spayed.

Apr 30 at 12:46am

“You’re JUST a Youtube Vegan” — DON’T BE ASHAMED.

[This is the video version: podcast/MP3 already posted.]This is “a more modest manifesto” for Veganism WITHIN YOUTUBE, and the important role that youtube plays in many of our lives. Don’t quit, don’t be ashamed: if youtube is the only thing remotely resembling activism you’ve got going on in your life, recognize it for what it is (the good and the bad), don’t lose your sense of purpose, and rep your set.

[This is the video version: podcast/MP3 already posted.]This is “a more modest manifesto” for Veganism WITHIN YOUTUBE, and the important role that youtube plays in many of our lives. Don’t quit, don’t be ashamed: if youtube is the only thing remotely resembling activism you’ve got going on in your life, recognize it for what it is (the good and the bad), don’t lose your sense of purpose, and rep your set.s

Genevieve Jackson

I bow down to this one

Dorney

Thanks, Eisel! Yeah it is tough if you have no-one to turn to. Even with our small group it is disheartening seeing the amount of animal suffering around and non-vegans taking no notice. I can only imagine what it’s like for one solitary vegan in a tiny village somewhere.

Apr 29 at 5:47pm

Politically, what I CAN’T do, I could turn into art. Maybe.

[Two emails, here posted precisely-as-sent to my mother. Keep in mind: she has a lifetime of experience in the art-gallery world, starting from her teenage years, and continuing through a very distinguished career in “the museum business”.]A professor who knew me for years just sent me a comment that he thinks of me as an artist.

I was thinking, “Hell, maybe the failure/impossibility of all other career paths will actually force me to become an artist”.

With zero skill (ZERO) I still could make money out of the visual art market.

And for a lot less money than an M.A., I could pick up enough skill to fake it (Victoria has V.I.S.A. = Vancouver Island School for the Arts).

I could actually pull off the artist/poet act and make money out of canvases and writing.

I know how to lie.

I know how to tell the truth.

I know how to mix the two.

[I know how to unravel them afterward.]

And I’m passionate and charismatic.

It isn’t what I wanted to do —but I could do it.

I could do it much more easily than any of the academic paths (that are, arbitrarily, closed to me).

I’m not joking.

—–[message break]—–

I will, REALLY, add it to the short list of career options…

…in Victoria, I could start taking night-classes at that arts-college

the things that are “disadvantages” in getting (e.g.) a normal job in Japan are all advantages in the arts:

my whole crazy story (Laos, Cambodia, etc.) = great fodder for mainstream media coverage of your art exhibition.

“He’s a vegan guy… ppl tried to kill him in Laos…” — that gets covered by the CBC / BBC / etc. They never have anything to say about the art — just about the personality of the artist.

I could sell canvases via youtube, if I wanted to.

Yeah, it isn’t what I want, but I will add it to the list.

If I can’t do social science research, if I can’t do languages, if I can’t do First Nations, if I can’t do politics, etc. —I can make art about all the things I can’t do —and, thus, the political edge of the art becomes what I CAN do.

Yeah, I could actually start painting.

E.M.

[Two emails, here posted precisely-as-sent to my mother. Keep in mind: she has a lifetime of experience in the art-gallery world, starting from her teenage years, and continuing through a very distinguished career in “the museum business”.]A professor who knew me for years just sent me a comment that he thinks of me as an artist.

I was thinking, “Hell, maybe the failure/impossibility of all other career paths will actually force me to become an artist”.

With zero skill (ZERO) I still could make money out of the visual art market.

And for a lot less money than an M.A., I could pick up enough skill to fake it (Victoria has V.I.S.A. = Vancouver Island School for the Arts).

I could actually pull off the artist/poet act and make money out of canvases and writing.

I know how to lie.

I know how to tell the truth.

I know how to mix the two.

[I know how to unravel them afterward.]

And I’m passionate and charismatic.

It isn’t what I wanted to do —but I could do it.

I could do it much more easily than any of the academic paths (that are, arbitrarily, closed to me).

I’m not joking.

—–[message break]—–

I will, REALLY, add it to the short list of career options…

…in Victoria, I could start taking night-classes at that arts-college

the things that are “disadvantages” in getting (e.g.) a normal job in Japan are all advantages in the arts:

my whole crazy story (Laos, Cambodia, etc.) = great fodder for mainstream media coverage of your art exhibition.

“He’s a vegan guy… ppl tried to kill him in Laos…” — that gets covered by the CBC / BBC / etc. They never have anything to say about the art — just about the personality of the artist.

I could sell canvases via youtube, if I wanted to.

Yeah, it isn’t what I want, but I will add it to the list.

If I can’t do social science research, if I can’t do languages, if I can’t do First Nations, if I can’t do politics, etc. —I can make art about all the things I can’t do —and, thus, the political edge of the art becomes what I CAN do.

Yeah, I could actually start painting.

E.M. of 4

Genevieve Jackson

Did you see Damien Hirst have a Shaker home built on Grand Designs.

Matthias K.

we all know eisel is going to be a rapper one day

Apr 29 at 3:30pm

“Just a Youtube Vegan” DON’T BE ASHAMED.

Just_a_youtube_vegan_dont_be_ashamed.mp3

Although my other video, “on community”, is a manifesto for veganism as a movement, this is “a more modest manifesto” for VEGANISM WITHIN YOUTUBE, and the important role that youtube plays in our lives —in many of our lives.s

Genevieve Jackson

This was amazing!

Nick Knowles

I might be one of the few people where the local vegans are too right wing, like conservative christians. Just not my crowd, but I can’t hate them at all, super kind folks running a vegan restaurant. But that’s about it

Apr 29 at 6:06am

[Podcast version:] Cambodia & Laos: How I FIRST Got Interested/Involved.

Cambodia_and_Laos_secret_origins.mp3

Here’s the MP3/podcast version (uploading it separately from the video, in this manner, ensures that it will be distributed by RSS).

Apr 29 at 6:00am

[The Sequel:] Last messages to Gary Francione.

Yeah, I might try again in 2018. But c’mon: I can’t do much more than I already did in that hour-long video with ModVegan (we really said many flattering things about his book, and the importance of his career as a whole, along with offering important criticism!).Link to the video already alluded to, if you missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ5RwzvthY

Note that the twitter-comments (above) do not read (in sequence) from top to bottom (more-or-less from bottom to top).

(This image apparently failed to upload the first time I posted it, BTW, so this may or may not appear as a re-posting.)

Yeah, I might try again in 2018. But c’mon: I can’t do much more than I already did in that hour-long video with ModVegan (we really said many flattering things about his book, and the importance of his career as a whole, along with offering important criticism!).Link to the video already alluded to, if you missed it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrZ5RwzvthY

Note that the twitter-comments (above) do not read (in sequence) from top to bottom (more-or-less from bottom to top).

(This image apparently failed to upload the first time I posted it, BTW, so this may or may not appear as a re-posting.)s

Apr 29 at 5:49am

Cambodia & Laos: How I FIRST Got Interested/Involved.

Starting with my earliest childhood memory of how I learned the word “Cambodia”. Maybe you’ve heard it all before, but maybe this is the first video you’ve seen on my channel, so I just disclaim: I lived in Asia for many years, two-and-a-half-years solid in Laos, and maybe about a year solid in Cambodia (a lot of time in Thailand before, after and in-between). I ended up doing a fair bit of language research, historical research, political research and humanitarian-sector research, in-and-about all of these places: they ended up influencing my life in many ways (both shallow and profound). This video omits-to-mention the role of Theravada Buddhism in the story (there are other videos on that) but you may catch the word “Pali” mentioned in passing: Pali is a language that is almost-exclusively studied by people with a serious interest in the history and philosophy of Buddhism —and, yes, I was one.

Starting with my earliest childhood memory of how I learned the word “Cambodia”. Maybe you’ve heard it all before, but maybe this is the first video you’ve seen on my channel, so I just disclaim: I lived in Asia for many years, two-and-a-half-years solid in Laos, and maybe about a year solid in Cambodia (a lot of time in Thailand before, after and in-between). I ended up doing a fair bit of language research, historical research, political research and humanitarian-sector research, in-and-about all of these places: they ended up influencing my life in many ways (both shallow and profound). This video omits-to-mention the role of Theravada Buddhism in the story (there are other videos on that) but you may catch the word “Pali” mentioned in passing: Pali is a language that is almost-exclusively studied by people with a serious interest in the history and philosophy of Buddhism —and, yes, I was one.

Apr 28 at 4:07pm

Talking directly to Gary Francione for the first time in years.

I did actually communicate with Francione when I was in Canada (and possibly when I was in Taiwan, too, even earlier?) —just a few messages back and forth. Several viewers/patrons have confirmed (through their messages with him, or their mentioning my videos in his facebook group) that he’s aware of me / my work.This was a spontaneous comment relayed to him via Twitter. His videos really do exude a sort of bitter, exasperated hopelessness —and, yeah, I may boast to say that mine don’t (OR, AT LEAST, NOT LATELY).

I did actually communicate with Francione when I was in Canada (and possibly when I was in Taiwan, too, even earlier?) —just a few messages back and forth. Several viewers/patrons have confirmed (through their messages with him, or their mentioning my videos in his facebook group) that he’s aware of me / my work.This was a spontaneous comment relayed to him via Twitter. His videos really do exude a sort of bitter, exasperated hopelessness —and, yeah, I may boast to say that mine don’t (OR, AT LEAST, NOT LATELY). of 4

Genevieve Jackson

I discovered a local bodybuilding YouTuber. He has a big FB instagram following but his videos barely any views. There is absolutely no love in his videos. I was trying figure out why, now I know. He’s also not a game player. Like dude, you have to have generosity of spirit. He doesn’t leave comments on anyone else’s stuff. What an idiot! You gotta infiltrate. Like for instance I followed him on Instagram. Didn’t even follow me back like anyone local normally does. Doesn’t comment on any other local vegan bodybuilders either. It’s all reciprocal. Gary Francione is a similar type. Another local vegan I knew from HS was the same way. I guess I just want all vegans united. At least a vegan leader in Pittsburgh is going to be 5 minutes from me soon. She does PCRM fundraisers and is bringing Neal here again in October!

Genevieve Jackson

Not many YouTubers are as handsome as Eisel or Matt. It’s not fair. Can you really expect Gary to compete?

Apr 28 at 3:29am

Meat: The Justifications Are Harder to Quit Than the Real Thing.

This is the video version, obviously: the podcast version (MP3 only) has already been shared as a separate post within Patreon.Slightly less obvious: this video is a reply to a question from a Patreon supporter (SOMEONE JUST LIKE YOU!!!).

Genevieve Jackson

Watching you helped me embrace my inner leader. When I first went vegan, I wasn’t really firm enough with my kids. Leading by example is not leading at all was a great video. Now my son loves hummus. Hahaha

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I remember that one… I actually got some hate-mail on that basic concept, i.e., “leading by example isn’t leading at all” —a few people found it offensive, but, yeah, it’s really an important point (that even I can forget / lose sight of).

Emile Bontes

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Eisel Mazard

Actually, I had to flip a coin on the name: I have met one French woman with the name (although it can be a man’s name in France, too, I think depending on whether or not you’ve got a é) —but if you want to resolve the matter, choose a photo that settles it!

Apr 28 at 1:54am

[Podcast Version:] Meat, The Justifications Are Harder to Quit Than the Real Thing

Meat_The_Justifications_Are_Harder_to_Quit_Than_the_Real_Thing_AUDIO.mp3

MP3/audio-only version.This is in large part a reply to a question from a Patreon supporter named Emile.

Apr 27 at 12:35am

Tori Sterling: Chasing a Feeling.

It is what it is, man.s

Mohammad Socrates

I would love to hear your personal experience with non-vegan friends and your philosophy on friendship in general. I think you could give us a unique perspective and take on such a delicate and deep subject given your experience and age.

Eisel Mazard

Wow… that is an interesting request… I did make some videos about the nature of friendship (in relation to political organization/activism) years ago… hmm…

Mohammad Socrates

Yeah I vaguely remember watching that video, but I would love to hear a more personal oriented view on intimate friendship rather than pragmatic or political friendships

Apr 26 at 2:30pm

[Other voices:] Vegan Soldier [N.Z.] Gets a Glamumentary.

Look… this really isn’t worth watching… the title pretty much covers it: he’s in the army, and he’s vegan. The rest is slick editing to serve as some sort of implicit promotional material, like, “Sign up today!”** [Ironically, about 175 of you will recall, I actually did sign up to join the army not too long ago…]

Look… this really isn’t worth watching… the title pretty much covers it: he’s in the army, and he’s vegan. The rest is slick editing to serve as some sort of implicit promotional material, like, “Sign up today!”** [Ironically, about 175 of you will recall, I actually did sign up to join the army not too long ago…]s

ModVegan

Very cool!

NotKurtis

So I’m half-Samoan, with most of my family on the Samoan side being NZ born and raised. By some bizarre twist, years after barely ever speaking to that family, I now have two great aunts, one uncle and aunt, a handful of cousins and a 12-seater van’s worth of second cousins who are all vegan, and all for ethical reasons. I’d always thought veganism would really be the nail in the coffin of factors that would leave my ability to relate to my Samoan family irreparably damaged, it turns out I’m just a fucking trend-setter in the polynesian-Australian community.

Eisel Mazard

Wow. I know almost-nothing about Samoan culture (ALTHOUGH I DID BRIEFLY STUDY IT IN ONE UNIVERSITY COURSE, most of the emphasis was on Tonga and other smaller islands: the professor actually forbid me from studying Samoa… he wanted to force us to focus on Tonga, etc.) —but this is already a fascinating contrast to (e.g.) my experience with the Cree and Ojibwe, etc.

Apr 25 at 2:30pm

[Other voices:] An Especially Hilarious Comments-Section (Denouncing Me!)

The video itself is not particularly interesting, but the comments section below it is HILARIOUS!The pinned comment includes the lie that (e.g.) I “shut down” the positive aspirations of Steven Feit! Steven was/is the washington D.C. lawyer who did two really great podcasts with the channel so far, and whom I’d still consider a friend (he still takes a lot of positive inspiration from the content on the channel, especially the “core message” in my video “On Community”, etc.).

I find this kind of lie especially hilarious because it is so pointless (and refuting it would be pointless, also!).

I was recently told (by M.H.) that Durianrider somewhere made the claim that I said (in one of my own videos) that eating beef was more sustainable than eating apples. I really laughed out that, because I do remember the specific video he’s thinking of (i.e., lying about, misrepresenting, etc.) but who could possibly be bothered to lie about such a thing? (The video was about phony stats on the water-efficiency of the vegan diet (now a distant memory, for most of you, as that was made before I moved to China); needless to say, I’ve never encouraged people to eat beef rather than apples.)

This kind of “fictionalization” is apparently a regular feature of “netizen behavior”, so I can only smile at it. But yes, the pointlessness of the lies (and the energy that must go into inventing them!) seems really bizarre.

The video itself is not particularly interesting, but the comments section below it is HILARIOUS!The pinned comment includes the lie that (e.g.) I “shut down” the positive aspirations of Steven Feit! Steven was/is the washington D.C. lawyer who did two really great podcasts with the channel so far, and whom I’d still consider a friend (he still takes a lot of positive inspiration from the content on the channel, especially the “core message” in my video “On Community”, etc.).

I find this kind of lie especially hilarious because it is so pointless (and refuting it would be pointless, also!).

I was recently told (by M.H.) that Durianrider somewhere made the claim that I said (in one of my own videos) that eating beef was more sustainable than eating apples. I really laughed out that, because I do remember the specific video he’s thinking of (i.e., lying about, misrepresenting, etc.) but who could possibly be bothered to lie about such a thing? (The video was about phony stats on the water-efficiency of the vegan diet (now a distant memory, for most of you, as that was made before I moved to China); needless to say, I’ve never encouraged people to eat beef rather than apples.)

This kind of “fictionalization” is apparently a regular feature of “netizen behavior”, so I can only smile at it. But yes, the pointlessness of the lies (and the energy that must go into inventing them!) seems really bizarre.s

Genevieve Jackson

My daughter wants to be on your channel.

Eisel Mazard

Can do: maybe we could do a 5 minute skype call, with both of our daughters online. (As you know that conversation would be BRIEF… four-year olds don’t pay attention for long.)

Eva Weiß

Eisel from “la bas le ciel”

Someone finally managed to invent a new mispronounciation. I thought all possibilities were already exhausted

Eisel Mazard

The sad fact is: all Canadians (all white Canadians) receive an education in French. So he has been formally taught how to pronounce such simple words.

Apr 25 at 3:13am

Alt-Right Racism: Vegan Gains & Ask Yourself Get Cozy with Cory & Tara McCarthy.s

ModVegan

The McCarthy’s just make me ill. You would have to be unbelievably racist to live in Upstate NY (I think that’s where they live?) and think only minority communities were a mess! Growing up in Washington State, I struggle not to be racist against white people. Seriously. The county outside my town was the meth capital of the world in the 1990s. Every white person I knew seemed to be cooking it, selling it – or knew people who did. And at that time, it was pretty much exclusively a redneck drug. The Latinos in our town worked 24/7 at low wage jobs and sent their kids to university. You’d have to be a certifiable moron to think broken homes and shitty neighborhoods were a non-white phenomenon. I see the same thing in Canada – hardworking minorities and lazy whites people who complain about immigrants stealing their jobs. Again, I acknowledge my life experience has made me biased against white people. I know it’s not their fault. Some of it is generational, etc. But the fact that white poverty, ignorance and drug abuse is apparently invisible to the McCarthys (and that asshat “ask yourself”) makes me ill.

Tom Lewis

It’s weird isn’t it? How when ethnic minorities have broken homes it’s a problem with their own race, but when white people have broken homes it’s a problem with other races… *sigh*

Genevieve Jackson

Cory is from near where I live originally. Cringe. He looks like Alton Brown pumped up.

Apr 24 at 7:04pm

[Podcast Version:] The Nihilistic Approach to Humanitarian & Political Engagement.

The_Nihilistic_Approach_to_Humanitarian_and_Political_Engagement.mp3

Seth Meyers

Eisel….just an opinion but you are in a different place these days. Good job, good relationship w school directors, gf you seem to realy like. Your recent videos have been really on point, focused, informative. Maybe wrong time to take on big new disruptive project. Work on transforming yourself more subtly, continue to outreach to hire smart vegans, work with that crazy restaurant guy, think about where you, your daughter, your gf etc all end up in 2 or 3 years.

Eisel Mazard

That is interesting to hear from an outside perspective, Seth: although the relationship with the girlfriend is positive (and I’m living in a palm-tree paradise) I regard my current situation as a sort of “intellectual dead-end” in many ways —and it is one I struggle with. Just lately, I’ve been extremely unhappy about my daughter’s absence, just because the judge (in France) keeps slipping on his own deadline (in France, judges can grant themselves extensions). I’m not saying that your observations are wrong here, just that they’re an interesting contrast to how I’ve perceived myself lately (a lot of worrying about the immediate future, both in terms of daughter and education/career).

Emmet Larrissy

I do actually think long term about the kind of person I need to be if I plan to run a vegan food tall in the future. I think that actually getting involved in some of the most controversial battles within veganism is probably not something a small business owner would want to do very publicly for example. I have actually passed the hygiene course now, so it is not simply a plan I have put on the back-burner. The comparison with painting is interesting. I don;t think that people can force themselves to paint against their own instincts. And I suppose what’s also true is that I could never spend much time filling out paperwork or dealing with party politics. I think some people are actually unrealistic about what their real strengths in life are.

Eisel Mazard

I think it would be fully two years from now (bc I’m living in China until December, then back in Victoria…) —but there is a very real possibility I’ll be working in vegan food EVENTUALLY.

Apr 24 at 6:05pm

The Nihilistic Approach to Humanitarian & Political Engagement.

Posed in reply to a question from a Patreon supporter, this monologue does relate back to vegans / veganism, repeatedly, although it isn’t the primary point of the discussion. Here are the links to two articles alluded to (relatively early) in the video, the first being titled: “Sex and Celibacy in the Poverty Industry”:http://www.akha.org/content/sexualabuse/sexandcelibacyinthepovertyindustry.pdf

The second has the more prosaic title, “Observations on an aid worker sex scandal in Laos”: akha.org/content/sexualabuse/one…

Posed in reply to a question from a Patreon supporter, this monologue does relate back to vegans / veganism, repeatedly, although it isn’t the primary point of the discussion. Here are the links to two articles alluded to (relatively early) in the video, the first being titled: “Sex and Celibacy in the Poverty Industry”:http://www.akha.org/content/sexualabuse/sexandcelibacyinthepovertyindustry.pdf

The second has the more prosaic title, “Observations on an aid worker sex scandal in Laos”: akha.org/content/sexualabuse/one…

Apr 24 at 7:42am

Anti-Depressants: Euphoria, Sorrow & Science.

Durianrider can’t be wrong about everything: even a broken watch is right twice a day. I can’t recall Unnatural Vegan ever taking a clear position on this, hm?Want to hear more from Dr. Peter Breggin? LINK: https://youtu.be/u3K-CojzvzQ?t=7m20s

Durianrider can’t be wrong about everything: even a broken watch is right twice a day. I can’t recall Unnatural Vegan ever taking a clear position on this, hm?Want to hear more from Dr. Peter Breggin? LINK: https://youtu.be/u3K-CojzvzQ?t=7m20ss

Zoe S

I’m honestly surprised that this video didn’t receive any comments regarding its actual content and critical importance to the current model of treatment for mental turmoil today… I find that it delivers a message of tremendous value to the conversations surrounding mental health and our cultural perspectives thereof…conversations which are not being had nearly enough. you so much for this video and for introducing Dr Breggin to us all. I wish I had found him years ago. I’ve been listening to his podcast and am incredibly interested in Breggin and his contemporaries’s work…I could speak all night on this topic, but for now I wish to say thank you for being brave and speaking your mind! I see that you have been misunderstood often, and I believe that those you criticize are misunderstood in certain ways at times as well (yes, I am speaking very generally!), however, I’d like to say that I appreciate your insight, thought, and the work you do immensely.

Eisel Mazard

Joanna Moncrieff is another name worth knowing, BTW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV1S5zw096U&feature=youtu.be&t=15m20s She openly said in one of her lectures, “When Breggin first came out with this argument, nobody could believe it…” —but, sometimes, what’s unbelievable turns out to be true.

Zoe S

Also, for some reason the first two comments from viewers were not appearing on my phone until JUST now… If you listen to his podcast you can hear from several other MDs, PHDs, and people who are doing real work in the field as far as working with the state or creating their own institutions. So much needs to be done, and while he generally doesn’t believe the government would be able to do much to help, I think this comes from years of working in the field in the United States. Changing the system inevitably feels more hopeless than changing ourselves/seeking to affect change by means of our own work. (Just look at the current vegan approach to veganism). I think that Breggin offers a powerful approach and a meaningful place from which to jump, and he has very influential to many people working in the field now. I am one of those people who believes unabashedly in the power of love.

Apr 24 at 6:05am

[Other voices:] People who want something to believe in… end up with Durianrider.

These issues can become a little bit overly-theoretical and abstract: the reality is that quite a few people had their lives destroyed by this aberrant vegan diet-cult —and, at the same time, a much larger number of people had their (political) view of veganism formed/informed/distorted by it.It is, simply, so strange that it’s hard to take seriously.

It’s hard to believe that these people really exist (even though I’ve met quite a few of them face to face: I have (e.g.) met both Lea P (interviewed on my channel) and Jack Green).

Many of these people (I dare not say all) really were looking for something to believe in, and I can’t shake the feeling that they would have found SOMETHING self-destructive to pour their hopes and dreams into. I really wonder what would have happened to them if they’d chosen any other hobby imaginable, rather than taking on this strange imitation of Durianrider.

I’m the last person on earth to glamorize humanitarian work, but it is, nevertheless, MORE GLAMOROUS than what these people did with the many months (sometimes years!) they spent in Chiang Mai.

These issues can become a little bit overly-theoretical and abstract: the reality is that quite a few people had their lives destroyed by this aberrant vegan diet-cult —and, at the same time, a much larger number of people had their (political) view of veganism formed/informed/distorted by it.It is, simply, so strange that it’s hard to take seriously.

It’s hard to believe that these people really exist (even though I’ve met quite a few of them face to face: I have (e.g.) met both Lea P (interviewed on my channel) and Jack Green).

Many of these people (I dare not say all) really were looking for something to believe in, and I can’t shake the feeling that they would have found SOMETHING self-destructive to pour their hopes and dreams into. I really wonder what would have happened to them if they’d chosen any other hobby imaginable, rather than taking on this strange imitation of Durianrider.

I’m the last person on earth to glamorize humanitarian work, but it is, nevertheless, MORE GLAMOROUS than what these people did with the many months (sometimes years!) they spent in Chiang Mai.

Apr 23 at 6:53am

[Other voices:] Onision allegedly hired by P.E.T.A. …sort of.

I assume this is at least 60% fake, but I don’t know if Onision actually has the imagination to come up with something so simultaneously bizarre and bureaucratic. I may be giving him too little credit and too much at the same time.If you don’t click on it: long story short, P.E.T.A. tried to get a promo with Onision rolling, but then decided he had a poor record (on Animal Rights)… and then changed their minds again.

I assume this is at least 60% fake, but I don’t know if Onision actually has the imagination to come up with something so simultaneously bizarre and bureaucratic. I may be giving him too little credit and too much at the same time.If you don’t click on it: long story short, P.E.T.A. tried to get a promo with Onision rolling, but then decided he had a poor record (on Animal Rights)… and then changed their minds again.

Apr 23 at 1:04am

[Other voices:] Prelude to, “Is everyone an idiot, or is it just me?”

Only three minutes long… yes, I realize he’s vegan (and PROBABLY has good intention) but this video is ASTOUNDINGLY stupid from my perspective.If knew as little about the history of Cambodia as this guy knows about “the nazis” (in the world’s most implausible historical comparison) I’d never even mention Cambodia on my channel.

Only three minutes long… yes, I realize he’s vegan (and PROBABLY has good intention) but this video is ASTOUNDINGLY stupid from my perspective.If knew as little about the history of Cambodia as this guy knows about “the nazis” (in the world’s most implausible historical comparison) I’d never even mention Cambodia on my channel. of 3

Genevieve Jackson

Yourofsky.

Marion Poliquin

“We are the perpetrators of peace” Accidental poetry.

Apr 20 at 3:44am

[Other voices:] Katie Reines, vegan graduate of dietetics / MSc / RD

Many of us have wondered, “What would my life have been like if, instead, I enrolled in dietetics…”s

Brendan Cross

“What if the research shows veganism isn’t good” – as if it has yet to be widely studied, and as if the Academy of Nutrition and Diatetics, the largest authority in nutrition, has not already endorsed veganism as healthy for all life stages. It doesn’t matter if a certain animal product turns out to be beneficial in some way, like gelatin for instance, when the more ethical and sustainable alternative (veganism) is legitimately healthy and can not only be individually practiced but also taught to the public with widespread benefits. I empathize with her frustration – that is a hard path to take, one that I too have considered before.

Genevieve Jackson

Good video. Watching her channel, everything I suspected about going to school for dietetics she confirmed. Her positivity is amazing.

Apr 18 at 8:02am

[Podcast version:] How I lost my virginity (teenage philosophy & politics)

How_I_lost_my_virginity_teenage_philosophy_and_politics.mp3

Vegan AF

https://youtu.be/P3C4PYcnIdE

Eisel Mazard

On the internet, there are people who wear masks, and people who DON’T.

Vegan AF

yes, associating myself with crazy drunks and insane vegans (not you, Blue Wren/Traveler/etc) will be great for my future!

Eisel Mazard

To paraphrase Notorious B.I.G., “real people do real things”.

Apr 18 at 7:33am

How I lost my virginity (teenage philosophy & politics)

BTW, Sonia Elsie kicked me out of her Facebook group for no reason (and she used to give my videos the thumbs-up/whatever… Facebook idiosyncratically sends you alerts about that). Sonia: this video is for you (and my loss-of-virginity story totally pwns yours ya done know).** [Not that I’ve even seen her video.]**

** [On youtube, it seems to be customary to have strongly-held views about videos you haven’t actually watched yourself, hm?]

BTW, Sonia Elsie kicked me out of her Facebook group for no reason (and she used to give my videos the thumbs-up/whatever… Facebook idiosyncratically sends you alerts about that). Sonia: this video is for you (and my loss-of-virginity story totally pwns yours ya done know).** [Not that I’ve even seen her video.]**

** [On youtube, it seems to be customary to have strongly-held views about videos you haven’t actually watched yourself, hm?]

ModVegan

All I can say is, what kind of cheap-ass belts are you buying, Eisel?! They most definitely come in sizes. Word to the wise: much as with prophylactics, if you’re wearing the wrong size, you look a bit foolish.

Eisel Mazard

VEGAN BELTS, you heartless bitch! Yeah, they’re cheaper, because they’re made of imitation leather. (We’re talking about menswear? I’ve never seen a belt with a size on it —but maybe I’ve never been fat enough to ask.)

NotKurtis

John Cena can not relate to 40% of this video. mfw Eisel starts listing off shoe sizes, starting at 10 lololol

Eisel Mazard

I could do a whole video complaining about how hard it is to buy shoes (in my size) in Asia. Probably would have a bigger audience than veganism, etc.

Apr 18 at 2:17am

Dinner is Ruined: How Non-Vegans View Vegans.

(Yeah, well, y’know… I thought I’d make a video about veganism for a change…)ModVegan’s channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwREs2xdJSI0Zj9nL2MzKA/videos

The other guy is called “Callum’s Corner”.

(Yeah, well, y’know… I thought I’d make a video about veganism for a change…)ModVegan’s channel is here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwREs2xdJSI0Zj9nL2MzKA/videos

The other guy is called “Callum’s Corner”.s

Genevieve Jackson

Chrissie Hynde and Morrisey have those policies. Nothing wrong. I’d like to have that power!

Will Hough

Who is that angry man?! All that dead flesh rotting inside him is not allowing his brain to function properly

Apr 16 at 1:06am

[Other voices:] Homeless ex-dairy worker, started in the industry at age 11.

My link starts at 2:24 (as I think that most of you already know “the basics” of this scenario).”Do you reckon it has affected you psychologically, seeing all that?”s

Genevieve Jackson

I just subscribed. This guy has a good channel

Apr 15 at 5:27pm

The Thumbs-Down Ratio Remains Rather Puzzling.

When you tackle the legacy of Gary Yourofsky, you have to expect a lot of thumbs-down… but, inexplicably, none of my recent videos have had the sort of negative reaction that my (seemingly innocuous) conversations with Tofu Goddess did.Seriously: you tell me.

It absolutely never occurred to me that this series of videos with Tofu Goddess could possibly be LESS popular than my usual format of monomaniacal monologue.

When you tackle the legacy of Gary Yourofsky, you have to expect a lot of thumbs-down… but, inexplicably, none of my recent videos have had the sort of negative reaction that my (seemingly innocuous) conversations with Tofu Goddess did.Seriously: you tell me.

It absolutely never occurred to me that this series of videos with Tofu Goddess could possibly be LESS popular than my usual format of monomaniacal monologue.s

Emmet Larrissy

After you made these videos there were quite a lot of genuinely misogynistic comments on tofu goddess’s channel (relating to your video). It was pretty clear that a lot of men were jealous that you made a video with her.

Eisel Mazard

That is interesting… I don’t think she had any new videos during that period of time.

jack’s Afer effort

Leanna Seamen can run from who she really is (a smoldering pyre of rage) but apparently she can’t hide from the scorn.

Eisel Mazard

On her channel, you do see the rage “seeping through the cracks” sometimes… frankly, I find it endearing. HOWEVER, in that long conversation she had with me (over 3 hours long?) she never once showed a hint of it.

Apr 15 at 10:31am

[Other voices:] Vegan activist Polight has 4 wives (& they all homeschool together)

About 10:30 into the video, he describes how they cooperatively homeschool their kids.Brother Polight may be crazy, or he may be eccentric, or it may be a 60/40 combination of the two… but he is, right now, one of the most prominent vegan activists and community leaders in the United States (and no, I don’t mean that as a joke: he is a full-time community leader, devoting pretty much all of his time to lecturing, doing book-tours, etc.).

And, yes, he has many long (frankly crazy) lectures about the importance of veganism on youtube (generally of much lower quality and coherence than what you’ll see here, in a VladTV interview).

About 10:30 into the video, he describes how they cooperatively homeschool their kids.Brother Polight may be crazy, or he may be eccentric, or it may be a 60/40 combination of the two… but he is, right now, one of the most prominent vegan activists and community leaders in the United States (and no, I don’t mean that as a joke: he is a full-time community leader, devoting pretty much all of his time to lecturing, doing book-tours, etc.).

And, yes, he has many long (frankly crazy) lectures about the importance of veganism on youtube (generally of much lower quality and coherence than what you’ll see here, in a VladTV interview).s

Rewi Stirrat

I can’t really argue with polygamy. The weird Afrocentrism rhetoric and other cult-ish philosophy aside, I don’t see anything wrong with it. This is a simple problem; I want kids but I’m not sure if I want to stick to one woman my whole life. We don’t have to make a weird cult out of just being honest with our primal desires.

ModVegan

What I don’t get is why the women want to stick around – I guess they do, but I find it puzzling. I can see that it works alright for him, but hanging out with a bunch of other women and their kids – I’d go isane. I barely can survive play dates, let alone living with other people’s kids (and screw the one big happy family crap. Other people’s kids are other people’s kids).

Genevieve Jackson

I totally agree. Very rarely do I meet other children besides my own that I like. I have recently met up with another vegan mom whose children are really sweet. My nurtures ten year takes the reins with them though. So lucky to have him!.

Apr 15 at 7:31am

Nigga Please: Tara McCarthy, “Ask Yourself” & Vegan Gains.

Despite the title, this is (in fact) my MOST politically-correct video, not the least.

For those who don’t know: both “Ask Yourself” and Vegan Gains have appeared on Tara McCarthy’s youtube show (interview format). Tara McCarthy’s channel formerly had a video (mysteriously deleted after I drew attention to her channel) in which she sat down with a color coded map of the U.S.A. and explained how she and her boyfriend (now husband?) were selecting where they would live on the basis of where there were THE LEAST BLACK PEOPLE (and, yes, so many people, including Vegan Gains, continue to pretend that Tara & Cory McCarthy are “not racist”).

Despite the title, this is (in fact) my MOST politically-correct video, not the least.

For those who don’t know: both “Ask Yourself” and Vegan Gains have appeared on Tara McCarthy’s youtube show (interview format). Tara McCarthy’s channel formerly had a video (mysteriously deleted after I drew attention to her channel) in which she sat down with a color coded map of the U.S.A. and explained how she and her boyfriend (now husband?) were selecting where they would live on the basis of where there were THE LEAST BLACK PEOPLE (and, yes, so many people, including Vegan Gains, continue to pretend that Tara & Cory McCarthy are “not racist”).s

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Genevieve Jackson

I’m reading white supremacists for dummies.

Marion Poliquin

Richard is very proud of seemingly taking the time to research his subjects and basing his arguments on solid evidence. But it’s all bullshit. For example, in his recent shrill islamophobic videos, he’s been very keen to point out the dramatic rise in rapes in Sweden to paint out Muslim migrants as evil rape monsters. It literally (in the litteral sense of litterally) took me 10 seconds to find reliable information on the Swedish government website that puts the situation in proper context and shows that Richard’s position is hogwash. Dare I say that Richard is guilty of confirmation bias? Oh dear, there go those pesky logical fallacies again.

Apr 15 at 12:24am

My nom-de-guerre.

With reflections on the life and (recent) death of my father.s

ModVegan

The Pastis/Ouzo thing is so funny (not the lying, but the snobbery). Incidentally, the most declasse drink in Colombia is Aguardiente, which is pretty much their version of Ouzo (but not so sweet). It’s a good thing you don’t drink. The preference for prole beverages might by genetic, lol.

Eisel Mazard

No, I tend to the other side: the monastic side of my character (that shows in my taste for food, clothing, etc., to some extent) was also reflected in my taste for just vodka + water —during the VERY BRIEF period of my life in which I drank alcohol at all.

i.am.a.jelly.doughnut

Have you noticed an increase in your quality of life since getting rid of alcohol?

Eisel Mazard

My video about “Why I don’t drink alcohol” has an unusually large number of viewers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5KxIq3SOtM

Apr 14 at 3:41pm

Durianrider: the Wolf Who Cried Wolf.

Durianrider isn’t the boy who cried wolf: he’s the wolf who cried wolf.I think we’d search in vain for any signs of personal growth (comparing this year to last year).s

Apr 14 at 8:45am

[Other voices:] Logic vs. Being Reasonable, “Ask Yourself” condemns à-bas-le-ciel (again?)

Well… this is a 20 minute waste of your time, in which Ask Yourself simply seems to be (again) very unreasonable, very immature, and (simply) to be the kind of person I can’t imagine co-operating with inside the vegan movement. That may be, to some extent, an illusion created by his online antics, but in looking at his statements (e.g.) defending the racism of Cory McCarthy and his co-host Tara* (as “not racism”) I see a lot of evidence that the guy behaves irrationally both “defensively” and “offensively”.* https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=mccarthy

My only conclusion about the guy is that he’s convinced me that I don’t want to talk to him (don’t want to get to know him, don’t want to collaborate with him) –and, yes, generally, he’s convinced me that he’s an idiot. And that is rather pathetic to behold, because he’s trying very hard to convince us all that he’s ever-so-brilliant.

Well… this is a 20 minute waste of your time, in which Ask Yourself simply seems to be (again) very unreasonable, very immature, and (simply) to be the kind of person I can’t imagine co-operating with inside the vegan movement. That may be, to some extent, an illusion created by his online antics, but in looking at his statements (e.g.) defending the racism of Cory McCarthy and his co-host Tara* (as “not racism”) I see a lot of evidence that the guy behaves irrationally both “defensively” and “offensively”.* https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=mccarthy

My only conclusion about the guy is that he’s convinced me that I don’t want to talk to him (don’t want to get to know him, don’t want to collaborate with him) –and, yes, generally, he’s convinced me that he’s an idiot. And that is rather pathetic to behold, because he’s trying very hard to convince us all that he’s ever-so-brilliant.

Marion Poliquin

Saw someone use an excerpt of a video by Ask Yourself, found it interesting, subscribed and the very next video is him fawning all over Cory McCarthy. Fuck nope. 凸ಠ益ಠ)凸

Mad Blender

Ughh I don’t watch him at all, just saw this video about Eisel, he sounds horrible

Apr 14 at 12:53am

Martyrs Make Lousy Leaders: Beyond Gary Yourofsky.

This is the video version (it uploaded overnight!) — the podcast (MP3) was up circa 8 hours ago, in case you didn’t notice. s

Mohammad Socrates

Well Eisel, I have to say that although I was already vegan when I stumbled upon your channel , you have nonetheless had a great and deep influence on me in a myriad of aspects. I learned a great deal about how (at least theoretically) successful political movements actually work, and how to approach effective activism from a personal standpoint. Also, I really experienced a lot of intellectual growth from your thought provoking and unorthodox ponderings upon various philosophical and political issues. So thank you very much, and keep at it, you are doing a great job . From your patron in Jordan, Mohammad .

Eisel Mazard

Thanks very much, M.S. — I have also had several viewers tell me that I helped them to improve their English vocabulary (I would like to think I am a more positive influence than Durianrider, in this way, although he, also, forced many of his viewers to look up “new” words in the dictionary!).

Apr 13 at 4:16pm

Dept. of Inside Jokes on the Outside.

Yeah, well, my publishing agent said that I already had the title, so I might as well go ahead and sign the contract to deliver a full-length self-help book to back it up.I’m joking, but the truth is: I don’t play video games. If I ever have a few days off work, I actually might write a self-help book (quite possibly even using this title). And I’m reasonably certain the results would be “at least as good as” the ebook offerings of, say, Durianrider, Freelee and Cory McCarthy combined (BTW, does Supreme Banana have a self-help ebook yet?).

Yeah, well, my publishing agent said that I already had the title, so I might as well go ahead and sign the contract to deliver a full-length self-help book to back it up.I’m joking, but the truth is: I don’t play video games. If I ever have a few days off work, I actually might write a self-help book (quite possibly even using this title). And I’m reasonably certain the results would be “at least as good as” the ebook offerings of, say, Durianrider, Freelee and Cory McCarthy combined (BTW, does Supreme Banana have a self-help ebook yet?).

Nick Knowles

is that supposed to be a man or a woman on the cover, the face looks like a dude lol

Eisel Mazard

That may be Morty himself, trying to promote his instagram.

NotKurtis

“Morty, call the illustrator – the cover image is androgynous!”

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s a dude in a skirt.

Apr 13 at 2:46pm

[New Podcast:] Martyrs Make Lousy Leaders: Beyond Gary Yourofsky.

Martyrs_Make_Lousy_Leaders_Beyond_Gary_Yourofsky.mp3

45 Minutes Long: I assume I will be able to upload this as a youtube video also (it was recorded as such) –but as I’m located on the ragged edge of Yunnan, such a massive upload may prove to be impossible, or may stretch over several nights (we’ll see!).*

* Once in a while, big uploads prove to be much faster than could be reasonably expected.

45 Minutes Long: I assume I will be able to upload this as a youtube video also (it was recorded as such) –but as I’m located on the ragged edge of Yunnan, such a massive upload may prove to be impossible, or may stretch over several nights (we’ll see!).*

* Once in a while, big uploads prove to be much faster than could be reasonably expected.

Martyrs Make Lousy Leaders, Beyond Gary Yourofsky.mp3s

Grant TB

Thanks for this. Will you syndicate all your content as with this file? For comparison, I currently have to convert each video to mp3, download it, upload it to iCloud, wait for it to become available, then download it to Voice Dream, repeating this process manually dozens of times. Please upload mp3s so they will instead automatically download to my podcatcher.

Eisel Mazard

The other videos (i.e., from the past) do have MP3 files attached: you can click to download (if you are just using a conventional web-browser). In general, yes, I will now use this uploading-format for “podcast versions” —HOWEVER, not all videos have podcast versions. If I think the video itself is important (that you should see the video and audio simultaneously) then I don’t produce a separate MP3 file (this is the case, e.g., with the new video about my father’s death: I don’t think it works as a podcast, because I think my facial expressions are important, in this case).

Apr 12 at 6:15pm

Gary Yourofsky: Bitter, Burnt-Out Loser Blames “Pacifist” Vegans for His Own Decision to Quit.

Yeah, you can call it a “retirement”, but the title of this video is already too long to fit onto the back of a cocktail napkin. Gary Yourofsky did this “tough guy” act for years, describing himself as a revolutionary, and comparing himself to historical figures who fought in REAL revolutions… but he simply found it too emotionally damaging to answer emails from “pacifist” vegans, so he quit. What’s the tough-guy rhetoric worth now? What kind of “revolutionary” quits because he can’t cope with the “humanist” and “hippie” tendencies that Yourofsky blames for his early retirement? Apparently, it’s the same kind who spend his whole career endorsing violence (and complaining that the A.L.F. is “not violent enough”). :-/*LINKS.* Here’s the specific video I mentioned, “Don’t debate the details”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05V_v2Qd8G0

Here’s a list of all of my videos with “Yourofsky” in the title:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=yourofsky

Interesting to see that one of my earliest videos on Yourofsky eventually reached an audience of more than 10,000: “Vegans, Leaders & Followers” = https://youtu.be/mYnNdrDBaS4

Yeah, you can call it a “retirement”, but the title of this video is already too long to fit onto the back of a cocktail napkin. Gary Yourofsky did this “tough guy” act for years, describing himself as a revolutionary, and comparing himself to historical figures who fought in REAL revolutions… but he simply found it too emotionally damaging to answer emails from “pacifist” vegans, so he quit. What’s the tough-guy rhetoric worth now? What kind of “revolutionary” quits because he can’t cope with the “humanist” and “hippie” tendencies that Yourofsky blames for his early retirement? Apparently, it’s the same kind who spend his whole career endorsing violence (and complaining that the A.L.F. is “not violent enough”). :-/*LINKS.* Here’s the specific video I mentioned, “Don’t debate the details”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05V_v2Qd8G0

Here’s a list of all of my videos with “Yourofsky” in the title:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=yourofsky

Interesting to see that one of my earliest videos on Yourofsky eventually reached an audience of more than 10,000: “Vegans, Leaders & Followers” = https://youtu.be/mYnNdrDBaS4s

Genevieve Jackson

This is really shallow, but Gary’s voice really grates at me now. Contrasted with Eisel’s it’s hard to tolerate.

Eisel Mazard

I suspect I’d be a better rapper, too.

Malka

I am waiting for the day when people like The Existential Vegan will lead this movement. His motto is:” Life is more than food.” Who knows, maybe after some introspection Yourofsky shall return to the dvd

Apr 12 at 3:14pm

You wanted a response to Gary Yourofsky’s retirement? You got it.

Title of my next video, uploading now: “Gary Yourofsky: A Bitter, Burnt-Out Loser, Blames “Pacifist” Vegans for His Own Decision to Quit.”

Genevieve Jackson

I am looking forward to this. Durianrider called him a Freelee pantysniffer. Hopefully you can top that.

Supra Levamentum

I am battling the urge to revel in finding someone I agree with so much lol

Supra Levamentum

For added context, I do not know any vegans in my day to day life.

Apr 11 at 5:34pm

Refugee policy should provide refuge (not assimilation).

The thesis of this video is stated RELATIVELY late in the flow (after the 11 minute mark)… thus, if you only listen to the first five minutes you really will not know the direction/point of the argument –and my point is almost certainly not what you’re expecting.s

ModVegan

Ugh. You sound like my brother in law, Eisel. As you know, my husband chose to immigrate to Canada. His brother (who has a PhD) won’t come to Canada because he doesn’t want to be part of the brain drain. He has chosen to remain in Colombia, in spite of the fact that the opportunities in that country are far more limited. As an immigrant myself, I have to say that Canada is smart to make it easy for postgraduates to stay in the country. It would be kind of dumb not to. And doesn’t Canada have the right to promote its own interests? We obviously need taxpayers to support this country (we have a declining population). I don’t think it’s necessarily a “morally good thing” but it makes sense from an economic point of view.

ModVegan

I guess to be fair you’re talking about refugee policy, not immigration policy. It would definitely be more selfless to set up other means of assisting refugees while not assimilating them. But it doesn’t make economic sense for Canada or any other western country to do so.

Rewi Stirrat

That’s the point – taking refugees shouldn’t be about making an economic gain from them.

Apr 11 at 1:55pm

Vegan vs. Vegan: “Ask Yourself” Boxing Match in Chiang Mai or GTFO

Two of my earlier videos are mentioned, and here are the links:(1) Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review. https://youtu.be/c59ckXsUcgI

(2) Veganism: Don’t Debate the Details. (Vegan Artichoke Response) https://youtu.be/05V_v2Qd8G0

Two of my earlier videos are mentioned, and here are the links:(1) Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review. https://youtu.be/c59ckXsUcgI

(2) Veganism: Don’t Debate the Details. (Vegan Artichoke Response) https://youtu.be/05V_v2Qd8G0s

John Henderson

I get the feeling he is gonna duke this one out with you. I can appreciate both approaches so might have to pop some popcorn.

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: I have very little patience for “controversy for controversy’s sake” –and yes, I realize that many people might have the opposite impression from my channel.

NotKurtis

“There’s are other virtues out there for you to choose between” – brilliant

Eisel Mazard

I sort of expected people to hate the video: it would be more enjoyable if it were more unreasonable.

Apr 11 at 1:25am

Solutions: Vegan activism in my life and yours, right now

This video contains a reply to two Patreon supporters, who wrote in with questions after my last video about “activism, etc.”.This is circa 20 minutes long, and a podcast version (MP3) is attached, if you think you can survive without the eye-contact and hand-gestures.

Solutions, Vegan activism in my life and yours, right now.mp3s

Will Hough

A few random thoughts…How about some vegan venture capital firms like New Crop Capital? It seems like an economic shift is already happening and could be a more effective strategy than lobbying. A bottom-up and top-down approach both seem like necessary components for the Small scope and Big scope. Cooperation is key, as is language itself. Divisiveness as a tool to refine the foundation of a movement makes sense. We need more PCRMs both individually and collectively. This demimonde may itself be a tool to help refine the best approach to the efficacy of activism. The more people we can get engaged, the better chances we have at innovative and creative solutions with divisiveness working as a Bayes network. There needs to be a mix of of methodology applied to solutions that appeal in a more pluralistic or holistic manner (logic, emotion, experience, uncertainty, collaboration, openness, and most importantly, compassion)

Eisel Mazard

I dunno man… I believe in veganism in many ways, but in terms of “return on investment”, I don’t know if it is really strong enough to be in the venture capital lane. Any restaurant will make more money if they offer alcohol; any vegan restaurant will make more money with non-vegan options (Chloe Coscarelli just went through this… you may already know the story).

Grant TB

rss?

Apr 10 at 4:59pm

Maybe Prison Activism Would Be Less Depressing?

A one-minute snippet from the cutting room floor.s

Heather

I also tend to think it’s a mistake to assume liberals are more receptive to veganism than conservatives… I think the nature of politically identifying oneself in a polarized manner… immediately tells us social issues other than veganism are more important to them…

Eisel Mazard

Indeed: when I first started talking about the extent to which veganism is NOT left-wing, it was somewhat shocking to my (then-small) audience… but it is now a long-running leitmotif on this channel. The assumption that veganism is “by and for” the (American) left-wing is quite false, and seems absurd even from (e.g.) an Asian perspective (here in Asia, veganism may be linked to conservative, Buddhist values, etc.).

Genevieve Jackson

Most liberal people I know change the subject.

Apr 10 at 8:32am

ミミズも空を見たい [Japanese translation of “Even Earthworms Want to See the Sky”]

We now have Chinese, German, Russian, Japanese and English —although the Japanese translator (Haruki of “Sustainable Vegan”) reserves the right to make further improvements to this draft, I note.I wouldn’t expect any progress on the illustrations for about two months.s

Soi

a little mistake:そして土の上のミミズさんはとりさんのいる空を見上げているよ。not見上げてるいるよ。I can’t wait to see the illustrations

Heather

I like how your story challenges its audience to care and to consider the world from different perspectives… I also look forward to seeing the illustrations. I think the illustrator you chose is awesome. For a long time, I’ve wished there were more children’s books about veganism and animal issues. So, I’m glad you’ve taken on this project… this is going to be great, I’m sure

Eisel Mazard

With a project like this, the worst case scenario is still pretty great: you can’t say that about most forms of activism. Like… the worst case scenario is that only the people within this Patreon get a copy of the book. Still pretty positive, IMHO.

Apr 9 at 4:15pm

[Other voices:] Berkeley, Calif., decides to ban fur.

Melissa Renee

It’s actually in Berkeley, California: a population of a little over 100,000. It’s a beautiful neighboring city to San Francisco; you can take the public transportation system (BART) to Berkeley from SF. It’s where the original University of California campus is located.

Eisel Mazard

That is, indeed, a bigger deal if true (I watched the video assuming it was Berkeley, Gloucestershire, U.K.).

Apr 9 at 1:47pm

Comedy & Activism: Keep Love in the Game.

The podcast version (MP3) is attached.

Joe Vegan’s Comedy, Keep Love in the Game.mp3

Adelaide

Long time subscriber, first time I’ve ever joined “patronising”

Eisel Mazard

Here at Patreon, the patronizing is mutual.

Adelaide

Wanted to ask if you’d watch this -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYSqqW6hH0w in the name of comedy? I’ll pay donate more if you mention it, and yes I realise it’s 20 years old!

Eisel Mazard

I’ll take a look.

Apr 7 at 5:04pm

[Other voices:] Interview with the creator of “Carnage”, a pro-vegan mockumentary.

An interview (and Q&A session with questions from the audience) with Simon Amstell, creator of a (pro-vegan) mockumentary film called Carnage.s

Pauline

To get a Q&A session at the BFI, with high profile critic Mark Kermode interviewing, means the film has reached a certain level of prestigiousness and mainstream, which can’t be bad.

Genevieve Jackson

So glad I named my son Simon now!

Apr 7 at 3:50pm

[Other Voices:] Jimmy Dore joins Patreon, says there’s no money in Youtube anymore.

This is interesting on a few different levels: just a handful of you may remember (YEARS ago) how I formerly contrasted the M.O. of groups like the Young Turks to what we (vegans) were doing at the time. Today, the same contrast would have a very different meaning (lessons could still be learned from it, but perhaps not the same lessons).At any rate, Jimmy Dore says there’s no money in Youtube ad revenue anymore and defiantly marches off to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. He may discover, anon, that his mission is even harder, in working with a donation-driven platform.

This is interesting on a few different levels: just a handful of you may remember (YEARS ago) how I formerly contrasted the M.O. of groups like the Young Turks to what we (vegans) were doing at the time. Today, the same contrast would have a very different meaning (lessons could still be learned from it, but perhaps not the same lessons).At any rate, Jimmy Dore says there’s no money in Youtube ad revenue anymore and defiantly marches off to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the hill. He may discover, anon, that his mission is even harder, in working with a donation-driven platform.s

Nick Knowles

Dore is a slimy lizard who flings water from his mouth at people he doesn’t like

Apr 7 at 3:23pm

[Other voices:] It’s about money: D.R. says he has hired lawyer to sue Freelee.

Within the first few minutes of this video, Durianrider says that he has hired lawyers to force Freelee to pay the money she promised she would give him.I have no idea if anything in this video is true, but it is remarkable to hear that D.R. is willing to hire lawyers. He may yet have someone to meet me in court, I suppose!

Within the first few minutes of this video, Durianrider says that he has hired lawyers to force Freelee to pay the money she promised she would give him.I have no idea if anything in this video is true, but it is remarkable to hear that D.R. is willing to hire lawyers. He may yet have someone to meet me in court, I suppose!

NotKurtis

Do you think he’ll find a vegan lawyer? I recall one of his often repeated critiques of your case is that you hired a “meat eating lawyer”. #CREAM.GetTheMoney

Apr 7 at 2:53pm

Still posting photos to “Nice” (now easier to find) & Twitter

Seriously, can you take a candid shot of L.A. that looks half as good?I.R.L., you could see several layers of mountain on the horizon, receding into the distance.

“Nice” is the name of a mobile phone app, where I continue to post photos from my daily life: it is now easier to find my account there.

My name (within Nice) is “马大影Eisel”. So if you search for the name “Eisel”, you should find me (without needing to type in Chinese). Previously, I had a space in-between my names, and the system (for that app) basically eliminated everything after the space (I only noticed this a few days ago).

However, some percentage of the photos posted to Nice do end up, also, posted to Twitter:

https://twitter.com/eiselmazard

Seriously, can you take a candid shot of L.A. that looks half as good?I.R.L., you could see several layers of mountain on the horizon, receding into the distance.

“Nice” is the name of a mobile phone app, where I continue to post photos from my daily life: it is now easier to find my account there.

My name (within Nice) is “马大影Eisel”. So if you search for the name “Eisel”, you should find me (without needing to type in Chinese). Previously, I had a space in-between my names, and the system (for that app) basically eliminated everything after the space (I only noticed this a few days ago).

However, some percentage of the photos posted to Nice do end up, also, posted to Twitter:

https://twitter.com/eiselmazard

Apr 7 at 8:30am

[Court case update] Going back to Chiang Mai (airplane tickets & new documentary preview)

Well: I bought the airplane tickets. I’m finally (FINALLY) going back to Chiang Mai, to have my day in court. There was a time when I would have tried to keep the court-date confidential, but… well… we already saw what happened when I told Durianrider (directly) when and where the last court-hearing was. Let’s hope the HCLF vegans don’t actually attempt to murder me on my way to the courthouse.And, for something slightly less depressing… here’s a (very short) preview clip of a documentary film (that will be on Youtube, for free, like everything else) that someone (now remaining anonymous) is putting together, about the whole story. I think you do, even in this short clip, get a sense of the film-maker’s approach.

Well: I bought the airplane tickets. I’m finally (FINALLY) going back to Chiang Mai, to have my day in court. There was a time when I would have tried to keep the court-date confidential, but… well… we already saw what happened when I told Durianrider (directly) when and where the last court-hearing was. Let’s hope the HCLF vegans don’t actually attempt to murder me on my way to the courthouse.And, for something slightly less depressing… here’s a (very short) preview clip of a documentary film (that will be on Youtube, for free, like everything else) that someone (now remaining anonymous) is putting together, about the whole story. I think you do, even in this short clip, get a sense of the film-maker’s approach.

Preview of an upcoming documentary.mov

Apr 6 at 5:28pm

Veganism: “Getting Attention” vs. the Mechanics of the Movement.

As you may have noticed, this one has already been shared as an MP3 (“podcast version”) and it is roughly 30 minutes long —so you can choose the format that suits your lifestyle. 0

Olivia

Okay so I empathise and understand with what you’re saying is wrong with pamphleting, attention seeking protests and problem rather that solution based activism. However, I don’t fully understand your solution to this problem. This was rather vapidly and fleetingly stated. So I ask: if not by protesting or pamphleting, then what? I believe you have spoken about lobbying and collaborating working with other special interest groups in the past. But instead of talking about the problems in the movement today and in the past five years, could you care to elaborate, specifically about the steps, stages, processes that need to be taken in the future and why you believe these to be effective.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “This was rather vapidly and fleetingly stated” — yeah, but that’s because I’ve recorded dozens of videos (probably more than 20 hours of video) on this topic in the past.

Nicholas Brennan

I don’t necessarily think pamphlets are completely out of the question, but those pamphlets that just say “don’t eat animals” and give the cute baby pigs names like Henry are ineffective. If you are on a university campus with shit food, for example, handing out pamphlets to people with a specialized healthy alternatives menu and listing the email of the food service company could make a good change. Empowering students to improve conditions on campus (with some added education about vegan nutrition) could be better. just a brainstorm though

Apr 6 at 4:55pm

[Podcast Version] “Getting Attention” vs. the Mechanics of the Movement.

Veganism_Getting_Attention_vs_the_Mechanics_of_the_Movement.m4a

Over 30 minutes long and, thus, uploaded as a podcast prior to its arrival as a video. You’ll have to use your imagination for the (edited) intro —but, after the first few minutes, it is one long, continuous (unedited) take.

Apr 6 at 4:45pm

[Podcast version] Pamphlets, are there any new ideas in vegan activism?

Pamphlets_are_there_any_new_ideas_in_vegan_activism.m4a

Does the new RSS system work? You tell me.

Uploading this as a separate audio file SHOULD distribute it (within Patreon) via an RSS feed. You can let me know if that is (now) working.

Richard

My experience with the real life vegans (ie. not online vegans) who campaign locally in the area I live, is that they’re impossible to organise effectively because they have a highly sensitive fear of hierarchy.

Grant TB

Thanks for turning on rss. I have one file, starting with “Getting Attention…” I don’t think that’s the same as “Pamphlets….”

Apr 6 at 12:39pm

Pamphlets: are there any new ideas in vegan activism?

The article alluded to (repeatedly) in the video is by Nathan Harrison: https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan/the-actual-number-is-almost-surely-higher-92c908f36517If you’d like to know more about “the wildlife management approach” (mentioned very briefly, in contrast to abolitionism), click here for a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTv

The article alluded to (repeatedly) in the video is by Nathan Harrison: https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan/the-actual-number-is-almost-surely-higher-92c908f36517If you’d like to know more about “the wildlife management approach” (mentioned very briefly, in contrast to abolitionism), click here for a playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZEkgohG7k7qrHC5-UQDpMKvEmQjPiTTv

Genevieve Jackson

Getting to see Neal Barnard speak soon. My friend is in his new book. Mcdougall is something of a legend to me, my Grandmother met him in the 80s and I recall her telling me a the plantation workers story.

ModVegan

That is so cool, Genevieve!

ModVegan

PCRM has been very outspoken about vivisection, btw, so there is a subtle thread of animal rights running through their organization.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, TBH, when I saw the recording afterward, I did think, “Well, PCRM is more animal-rights-based than I was letting on”, but it just wasn’t what I had on my mind at the time. They have a campaign to end vivisection and dissection in high-schools, as I recall.

Apr 5 at 1:20pm

Anna Scanlon’s (Lawsuit) Fundraiser: Success or Failure?

Anna,My opinion doesn’t count for much, but I offer it.

I think you made a serious strategic error in presenting the case (initially) in terms of, “If only he would apologize, the whole case will be nullified”. That made it seem as if there were no consequences, either way: nothing to win, and nothing to lose.

I think that the videos you made presenting your case were, also, aesthetically weak: as you know, by contrast, I made some very dramatic videos (weeping on camera at least once) in the fundraising for my own court-case.

You also started from an EXTREMELY SMALL subscriber base: you had near-zero regular viewers/fans …and, in fact, you’d both (1) stopped making videos and (2) stopped identifying as vegan (due to medical complications, etc., I know, BUT STILL, it is a strategic factor). As such, you were starting from a very weak position: raising 50% of the necessary funds is a huge victory, relative to how weak your starting position was. A channel with 10,000 regular viewers (uploading regularly) with a position as a valued, regular member of the vegan demimonde, would have had huge advantages.

It is also true that you delayed to your detriment: if you had pressed charges back when the issue was hot (and when Charles was defaming different people every day) the whole mood of the case would have been different. Instead, you waited for many months, and looked into it only after the fact (as you’ve narrated yourself in your videos). And Charles, meanwhile, has become a RELATIVELY sympathetic figure: he has (yet again) transformed the nature of his web-presence. And his behavior has changed (quite possibly due to a change in “diet”, i.e., steroid use).

Overall, I would say that you have to fund the other half of the money yourself, and basically consider yourself lucky to have had a 50% discount on court-costs, provided by people who hate Charles.

You may recall a young woman from New Zealand (Hannah Chloe) who actually did have sex with Durianrider, and tried to raise funds for her own court-case (defamation). Her fundraiser got almost zero donations —a stark contrast to my own experience. There were many, many factors involved there (including her own less-than-100% sincerity about what the situation was, i.e., she DID have sex with Harley, whereas her video made it seem as if she had refused) —HOWEVER, her channel actually had a considerable number of regular viewers, and she had been a regular contributer to the vegan Demimonde for years (I’d already known her for years, etc.). So, even with her MANY advantages, she raised less than 5% of what you raised (I forget how much she received, but it was remarkably close to zero).

I think that’s the context you need to see it in.

E.M.

Anna,My opinion doesn’t count for much, but I offer it.

I think you made a serious strategic error in presenting the case (initially) in terms of, “If only he would apologize, the whole case will be nullified”. That made it seem as if there were no consequences, either way: nothing to win, and nothing to lose.

I think that the videos you made presenting your case were, also, aesthetically weak: as you know, by contrast, I made some very dramatic videos (weeping on camera at least once) in the fundraising for my own court-case.

You also started from an EXTREMELY SMALL subscriber base: you had near-zero regular viewers/fans …and, in fact, you’d both (1) stopped making videos and (2) stopped identifying as vegan (due to medical complications, etc., I know, BUT STILL, it is a strategic factor). As such, you were starting from a very weak position: raising 50% of the necessary funds is a huge victory, relative to how weak your starting position was. A channel with 10,000 regular viewers (uploading regularly) with a position as a valued, regular member of the vegan demimonde, would have had huge advantages.

It is also true that you delayed to your detriment: if you had pressed charges back when the issue was hot (and when Charles was defaming different people every day) the whole mood of the case would have been different. Instead, you waited for many months, and looked into it only after the fact (as you’ve narrated yourself in your videos). And Charles, meanwhile, has become a RELATIVELY sympathetic figure: he has (yet again) transformed the nature of his web-presence. And his behavior has changed (quite possibly due to a change in “diet”, i.e., steroid use).

Overall, I would say that you have to fund the other half of the money yourself, and basically consider yourself lucky to have had a 50% discount on court-costs, provided by people who hate Charles.

You may recall a young woman from New Zealand (Hannah Chloe) who actually did have sex with Durianrider, and tried to raise funds for her own court-case (defamation). Her fundraiser got almost zero donations —a stark contrast to my own experience. There were many, many factors involved there (including her own less-than-100% sincerity about what the situation was, i.e., she DID have sex with Harley, whereas her video made it seem as if she had refused) —HOWEVER, her channel actually had a considerable number of regular viewers, and she had been a regular contributer to the vegan Demimonde for years (I’d already known her for years, etc.). So, even with her MANY advantages, she raised less than 5% of what you raised (I forget how much she received, but it was remarkably close to zero).

I think that’s the context you need to see it in.

E.M.s

Apr 5 at 12:19pm

Durianrider: an extraordinary comment from Freelee

Amazingly, this is a consequence of a video on my channel: “Sam the Vegan” had a brief appearance on à-bas-le-ciel, primarily to promote the new App/website he’s creating (for Vegan dating). This led to Durianrider denouncing Sam, and then Sam making a very neutral (rambling) video (shown above)… and this extraordinary comment from Freelee appeared below that video.

Amazingly, this is a consequence of a video on my channel: “Sam the Vegan” had a brief appearance on à-bas-le-ciel, primarily to promote the new App/website he’s creating (for Vegan dating). This led to Durianrider denouncing Sam, and then Sam making a very neutral (rambling) video (shown above)… and this extraordinary comment from Freelee appeared below that video.s

Marion Poliquin

Prime drama season is slowly creeping up on us. Will Durianrider have his “don’t call it a comeback” moment?

Eisel Mazard

The next court-date is coming up: I’m trying to get my visa-status clarified, and airplane tickets sorted out, etc.

Apr 4 at 2:37pm

Did the Gov’t FINALLY block me? (Maybe)

Fears that my access to my channel would be blocked have never been ill-founded: I’ve rehearsed the worst-case-scenario several times —and several times I was apparently blocked for a few days at a time.A strange thing happened recently: absolutely nothing changed on my computer (in terms of hardware or software) but, one day, the internet stopped working completely. Technicians confirmed that the connection wasn’t the problem: they plugged in their computer, works fine. Nothing changed in my settings, and it wasn’t the settings. The problem was either my own computer, or else it was me. In other words, possibly I am now blocked.

I had already thought through this scenario during earlier apparent halts-in-service (some of you may remember that during the final 48 hours of the Trump election, I lost my ability to access the internet normally… and I thought of every possible explanation EXCEPT that censorship had tightened up because of the elections). Having exhausted the repairmen (i.e., they established that there was nothing more that they could do), I went out and spent 7000 RMB on a new mac laptop —a lot of money if you only earn 5000 RMB per month (and, yes, you have to buy a bunch of other crap to really get it working, raising the total cost to circa 8000 RMB).

I still can’t access the internet in my own apartment. I’m writing this, now, on the new laptop, in a fruit-juice bar (where I find the second hand smoke to be a tantalizing contrast to all the fresh air I’ve become accustomed to, BTW).

To be honest, if I had more supporters on Patreon, I might be tempted to finally resign myself to “Plan A” —and that was just uploading podcasts to Patreon while I’m trapped in China. However, the number of my (valued!) supporters has continued to decline (now well below 200, I notice) so I think there’s even more pressure on me to try to upload to Youtube —even if that now means sitting in a café while I upload (for how many hours?) or shuffling videos back and forth between multiple computers in a complex arrangement.

Did my computer become unable to access the internet because of a gov’t decision? The truth is occam’s razor actually favors that explanation. Nothing changed on my computer (one day it worked, the next day it didn’t) and other computers can use the same connection, as aforementioned. However…

…immediately before the inexplicable interruption in my service, I sent two fateful emails.

One was an email to my girlfriend: it had an article about politics (in China) attached as a ZIP file. That message wasn’t just blocked: I received a notification that it had been blocked, and instead of just “bouncing back” the subject line on the message, it had translated the English into Chinese.

I instead sent my girlfriend an email giving the title of the article, and instructing her to google it, and she ended up reading the article anyway —but the original message was blocked.

I sent a second email (even closer to the day of my internet service stopping) to one of my professors back in Canada, very casually suggesting a research topic for an M.A. thesis —and, yes, that was about Chinese politics (and the email basically contained every possible “red flag” term in English, even though it didn’t say anything provocative about these topics). Indeed, political censorship was part of the proposed research topic.

Is it possible that this is, instead, some sort of software glitch? Yes, that is possible, but the computer in question still works 100% fine (nothing changed with the O.S., etc.) …so while I don’t presume to have any explanation as a matter of fact, occam’s razor actually does favor the possibility that I finally crossed some sort of line (and yes, BTW, my constant use of Youtube, Twitter, etc., is all basically illict).

Fears that my access to my channel would be blocked have never been ill-founded: I’ve rehearsed the worst-case-scenario several times —and several times I was apparently blocked for a few days at a time.A strange thing happened recently: absolutely nothing changed on my computer (in terms of hardware or software) but, one day, the internet stopped working completely. Technicians confirmed that the connection wasn’t the problem: they plugged in their computer, works fine. Nothing changed in my settings, and it wasn’t the settings. The problem was either my own computer, or else it was me. In other words, possibly I am now blocked.

I had already thought through this scenario during earlier apparent halts-in-service (some of you may remember that during the final 48 hours of the Trump election, I lost my ability to access the internet normally… and I thought of every possible explanation EXCEPT that censorship had tightened up because of the elections). Having exhausted the repairmen (i.e., they established that there was nothing more that they could do), I went out and spent 7000 RMB on a new mac laptop —a lot of money if you only earn 5000 RMB per month (and, yes, you have to buy a bunch of other crap to really get it working, raising the total cost to circa 8000 RMB).

I still can’t access the internet in my own apartment. I’m writing this, now, on the new laptop, in a fruit-juice bar (where I find the second hand smoke to be a tantalizing contrast to all the fresh air I’ve become accustomed to, BTW).

To be honest, if I had more supporters on Patreon, I might be tempted to finally resign myself to “Plan A” —and that was just uploading podcasts to Patreon while I’m trapped in China. However, the number of my (valued!) supporters has continued to decline (now well below 200, I notice) so I think there’s even more pressure on me to try to upload to Youtube —even if that now means sitting in a café while I upload (for how many hours?) or shuffling videos back and forth between multiple computers in a complex arrangement.

Did my computer become unable to access the internet because of a gov’t decision? The truth is occam’s razor actually favors that explanation. Nothing changed on my computer (one day it worked, the next day it didn’t) and other computers can use the same connection, as aforementioned. However…

…immediately before the inexplicable interruption in my service, I sent two fateful emails.

One was an email to my girlfriend: it had an article about politics (in China) attached as a ZIP file. That message wasn’t just blocked: I received a notification that it had been blocked, and instead of just “bouncing back” the subject line on the message, it had translated the English into Chinese.

I instead sent my girlfriend an email giving the title of the article, and instructing her to google it, and she ended up reading the article anyway —but the original message was blocked.

I sent a second email (even closer to the day of my internet service stopping) to one of my professors back in Canada, very casually suggesting a research topic for an M.A. thesis —and, yes, that was about Chinese politics (and the email basically contained every possible “red flag” term in English, even though it didn’t say anything provocative about these topics). Indeed, political censorship was part of the proposed research topic.

Is it possible that this is, instead, some sort of software glitch? Yes, that is possible, but the computer in question still works 100% fine (nothing changed with the O.S., etc.) …so while I don’t presume to have any explanation as a matter of fact, occam’s razor actually does favor the possibility that I finally crossed some sort of line (and yes, BTW, my constant use of Youtube, Twitter, etc., is all basically illict).s

NotKurtis

Oh and one more question chain, in the spirit of offering some guesswork assistance: do you use wireless or cable at your apartment? If wireless, is there a wireless router in your apartment or a communal wireless? If cable (or if cable is an option) is there a modem and/or router in your apartment or do you plug straight into a wall port?

Eisel Mazard

I’m using cable (PPPoE via ethernet) WITHIN A UNIVERSITY CAMPUS. I actually live on the campus, so, yes, internet service is probably especially tightly controlled… it always seemed to be more restrictive than (e.g.) using a connection at a hotel, but that may just be because PPPoE itself is less flexible? Look, I can’t complain: I’m living on-campus, right next door to a very “lively” border area (Northern Myanmar). But yeah… I’ve got to get out of this cloud of second-hand cigarette smoke…

NotKurtis

PPPoE just means your computer is dialing up to the internet / service provider (in this case the campus) rather than a router doing it for you, such as where you’d normally plug into / wirelessly connect to router. Nothing about it should restrict internet, but it does play into the overall concept: PPPoE = “nobody uses internet without us knowing who they are”, therefore they can block traffic right down to the user level

Eisel Mazard

Yeah. It is what it is. With a laptop, I should be able to at least access “the real internet” at a café or in a hotel room.

Apr 1 at 8:16am

Joe Vegan: A Stupid, Self-Pitying, Dishonest, Ex-Vegan

…and his fundraising failure (for a so-called “animal sanctuary” and “utopian” permaculture farm).s

Emmet Larrissy

If you donate to the animal sanctuary I will literally go mental and start eating the animals on the farm

Genevieve Jackson

Dude. Duh. I follow Gene Bauer, that shit is funded by Mary Tyler Moore money. Most people know that shit he was trying to pull in Portugal wouldn’t be realistic. Most people are aware of the vet bills for their dog, and knew his budget was way too low. He barely campaigned for it either! Drama videos aren’t a serious campaign. He should have had a 5 year plan etc., or instead got a job at a Farm Sanctuary in existence.

Mar 30 at 5:30pm

Debating the “I Don’t Care” Mentality (Vegan Gains vs. Bearing)s

Mohammad Socrates

Thanks for the interesting reply. So at the end of the day, we can’t really effectively argue with someone who doesn’t “care” or consider animals worthy of moral concern. And I think that this is one of the limitations of utilitarianism/pragmatism in moral philosophy : If the opposing person doesn’t have a stake in the issue, he can’t be convinced to care based on some intrinsic moral value of life or animals etc. The best we can do is just tell him that he is “wrong” ( which doesn’t really say much in the context of a pragmatic or utilitarian view of the world) , or that it affects other people and therefore it is good that somebody cares and he should too. But what can this reasoning actually accoplish in terms of getting selfish or indifferent people to care? I think only an intrinsic value approach of some kind could induce a feeling of moral responsibility and duty in an indifferent or apathetic person, because now it becomes a matter of duty and principle and not of pragmatism or actual observed consequences in ones personal life. Whatever the religion or philosophy that this moral responsibility is based on. What is your take on this issue?

Tim M

AskYourself responded, I’d love to see a live discussion between you two!

Mar 30 at 4:00pm

“you’re either vegan or you’re not” (Supreme Banana & Political Science)

You may be disappointed to learn that this video does not contain the word, “Manichean”.The audio-only version (MP3) is attached —but you’ll totally miss the fact that I’ve got a beard (otherwise, not much to see here, this is a monologue with no illustrations on-screen).

And, yes, I can say that this video was made, “By popular demand”, as a few people asked for me to address/respond to Supreme Banana on this.

You may be disappointed to learn that this video does not contain the word, “Manichean”.The audio-only version (MP3) is attached —but you’ll totally miss the fact that I’ve got a beard (otherwise, not much to see here, this is a monologue with no illustrations on-screen).

And, yes, I can say that this video was made, “By popular demand”, as a few people asked for me to address/respond to Supreme Banana on this.

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Supreme Banana and Political Science.mp3

Mad Blender

Don’t you think you could be both though? I can advocate politically, say for vegan meals in schools or hospitals, and ultimately advocate for a vegan world while also pushing people that don’t want to be vegan right now to start off slow and perhaps start out flexitarian or reducetarian. Would you agree?

Eisel Mazard

I think that is covered in the paragraph on, “it’s nice to be nice … if you have it in you”; however, many of my videos reflect on the extent to which we can’t be nice, or we may not have it in us, etc.

Olivia

HIGHLY recommend that you watch Simon Amstell’s new vegan documentary/mockumentary “Carnage”, now available on YouTube. He ‘humorously’ predicts the future of the vegan movement, where by 2067 the entire human race is vegan and there are enormous amounts of shame surrounding our meat eating past. It’s funny and thought-provoking, probably one of the best things to happen to veganism in years.

Mar 29 at 11:54pm

Joe Vegan: I said it all six months ago, and nobody wanted to hear it.

Note the ratio of thumbs-down on those videos that have now been proven-to-be-prescient.If you didn’t see that video from six months ago, I thoroughly recommend it (“the $600 Sanctuary Delusion”): https://youtu.be/bLqPmh05WWU

Note the ratio of thumbs-down on those videos that have now been proven-to-be-prescient.If you didn’t see that video from six months ago, I thoroughly recommend it (“the $600 Sanctuary Delusion”): https://youtu.be/bLqPmh05WWUs

Vegan. M

Did you hear the “there’s bald people in China” dig at you?

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, that was one of many complaints that went nowhere (and came from nowhere). His comments about raising money for lawyers “in one day” is definitely about me: my fundraiser reached its goal in (approx) one day —he’s not talking about Anna-vs.-Cheetah.

ModVegan

People don’t generally want to hear what they don’t want to hear ;-). But it’s interesting that the collective delusion managed to sustain itself as long as it did. And now he’s planning to eat the products (or the actual animals?) he said he wanted to protect so badly. *sigh*

Mar 29 at 1:35pm

Joe Vegan admits (1) he’s not vegan & (2) his “sanctuary” will never happen.

Joe Vegan uploaded an extremely poorly-organized 30 minute video (and, yes, I’m qualified to comment on that, as I’ve recorded a few myself) rambling about all his reasons for quitting veganism —and, even less coherently, why he’s keeping all the money “you” donated to build an animal sanctuary, but isn’t even going to try to build an animal sanctuary anymore. And, yeah, he’s “not restricting his diet” anymore (thus, he’s not vegan). The video does, indeed, cast aspersions on my character, but in the first 20 minutes, few of them make much sense. Here is Joe’s “farewell” message to his Patreons, who were donating to him not to support his making youtube videos (something he stopped doing long ago) but supposedly to support him buying land, owning and operating an animal sanctuary in Portugal. I invited Joe on my channel many, many times: the first time, nobody knew who he was yet (he was an obscure ex-devotee of Durianrider) —and the most recent time was to explain what his plans actually were for the sanctuary (financial and otherwise). “When you fail to plan, you plan to fail”. I just don’t think that Joe ever had a plan: I don’t think he ever did the type of basic “forward thinking” I did in my videos addressed to him, e.g., calculating how much money and how much time (i.e., hours of labor) it takes to maintain just one horse, just one pig, etc., and then coming up with estimates/projections.—–BEGIN QUOTE—–

Hi guys,

This is not going to be an easy post to write. We can no longer go through with the plans to start this project. A lot of you may be very upset to receive this news and for that, we are very sorry.

The reason for this is not simple. We have gotten to a place in which we are so severely depressed that it’s either this project or the complete demise of ourselves. It’s no secret that we have had an extremely stressful few months with the loss of a job and financial uncertainty, severe injury, a new baby, an international move, etc, etc. We don’t say this to play the victim, but to give you an accurate picture of how our current situation is influenced by what’s happened in the recent past.

It has been even harder to ‘smile for the camera’ and make interesting, entertaining videos to document this journey that also take an incredible amount of time and effort to consistently provide.

We have been under an immense amount of pressure from the public to the point where more than one person has felt it appropriate to tell us that their lives depend on what we are doing. These people would claim to be our friends. That’s not friendship. That’s not fair. However, without being in the public eye, it wouldn’t be possible to create what we had envisioned, so doing it privately to relive the pressure wasn’t an option.

The deciding factor which led us to question what it is that we are doing happened a few days ago when we were just about to go through with the final legal procedures to complete the sale of the property. We were in such a terrible place mentally and physically that we were forced to question the path we were taking which has led us here. With our (extremely) limited financial background, taking on a project like this in the hopes that funds will increase as we progress is just far too much of a risk to take. Perhaps a couple of years ago when we came up with this idea, we would have taken that risk. But now, as parents, we cannot risk our finances, mental stability and everything else any more than we already have done without their being dire repercussions.

During these past few weeks of intense reflection we realised we belonged to a community that we no longer want to belong to. No matter what we say to try to distance ourselves, even going as far as saying we’re not vegan, people still manage to box us into that community which we are quite frankly ashamed to have ever been a part of and for this reason we’ll be making a public video on Joe “not” Vegan setting the record straight.

We do want you guys to know that your support up until now has allowed us to get this far and has been so incredibly valued and we’re deeply sorry to let you down as we see many of you as good friends.

We also understand that many people out there will jump at the chance to call us scammers, but as it stands we couldn’t really care less what they think. It couldn’t get any worse for us at this point.

It really is a true shame that the very cause this online community supposedly believes in, cannot raise even a quarter of the funds in almost a year, that a prospective law suit can accumulate overnight. The entire vegan community has some serious thinking to do.

After being so wholeheartedly focused on seemingly every other living being on this planet other than ourselves quite frankly we have been driven mental and forced to make the decision to look after ourselves. We realised if we continued with this project in our current state it would inevitably collapse anyway as we just do not have the strength to keep on giving what it has taken to get to this point.

As for what we are doing now, we need to take some time to focus on ourselves and we have some tough decisions to make about the best way in which to do that. We are not prepared to let go completely of the online presence we have built over the last few years but our focus will shift away from this project onto things that bring us more happiness.

We’re sorry…

Joe Vegan uploaded an extremely poorly-organized 30 minute video (and, yes, I’m qualified to comment on that, as I’ve recorded a few myself) rambling about all his reasons for quitting veganism —and, even less coherently, why he’s keeping all the money “you” donated to build an animal sanctuary, but isn’t even going to try to build an animal sanctuary anymore. And, yeah, he’s “not restricting his diet” anymore (thus, he’s not vegan). The video does, indeed, cast aspersions on my character, but in the first 20 minutes, few of them make much sense. Here is Joe’s “farewell” message to his Patreons, who were donating to him not to support his making youtube videos (something he stopped doing long ago) but supposedly to support him buying land, owning and operating an animal sanctuary in Portugal. I invited Joe on my channel many, many times: the first time, nobody knew who he was yet (he was an obscure ex-devotee of Durianrider) —and the most recent time was to explain what his plans actually were for the sanctuary (financial and otherwise). “When you fail to plan, you plan to fail”. I just don’t think that Joe ever had a plan: I don’t think he ever did the type of basic “forward thinking” I did in my videos addressed to him, e.g., calculating how much money and how much time (i.e., hours of labor) it takes to maintain just one horse, just one pig, etc., and then coming up with estimates/projections.—–BEGIN QUOTE—–

Hi guys,

This is not going to be an easy post to write. We can no longer go through with the plans to start this project. A lot of you may be very upset to receive this news and for that, we are very sorry.

The reason for this is not simple. We have gotten to a place in which we are so severely depressed that it’s either this project or the complete demise of ourselves. It’s no secret that we have had an extremely stressful few months with the loss of a job and financial uncertainty, severe injury, a new baby, an international move, etc, etc. We don’t say this to play the victim, but to give you an accurate picture of how our current situation is influenced by what’s happened in the recent past.

It has been even harder to ‘smile for the camera’ and make interesting, entertaining videos to document this journey that also take an incredible amount of time and effort to consistently provide.

We have been under an immense amount of pressure from the public to the point where more than one person has felt it appropriate to tell us that their lives depend on what we are doing. These people would claim to be our friends. That’s not friendship. That’s not fair. However, without being in the public eye, it wouldn’t be possible to create what we had envisioned, so doing it privately to relive the pressure wasn’t an option.

The deciding factor which led us to question what it is that we are doing happened a few days ago when we were just about to go through with the final legal procedures to complete the sale of the property. We were in such a terrible place mentally and physically that we were forced to question the path we were taking which has led us here. With our (extremely) limited financial background, taking on a project like this in the hopes that funds will increase as we progress is just far too much of a risk to take. Perhaps a couple of years ago when we came up with this idea, we would have taken that risk. But now, as parents, we cannot risk our finances, mental stability and everything else any more than we already have done without their being dire repercussions.

During these past few weeks of intense reflection we realised we belonged to a community that we no longer want to belong to. No matter what we say to try to distance ourselves, even going as far as saying we’re not vegan, people still manage to box us into that community which we are quite frankly ashamed to have ever been a part of and for this reason we’ll be making a public video on Joe “not” Vegan setting the record straight.

We do want you guys to know that your support up until now has allowed us to get this far and has been so incredibly valued and we’re deeply sorry to let you down as we see many of you as good friends.

We also understand that many people out there will jump at the chance to call us scammers, but as it stands we couldn’t really care less what they think. It couldn’t get any worse for us at this point.

It really is a true shame that the very cause this online community supposedly believes in, cannot raise even a quarter of the funds in almost a year, that a prospective law suit can accumulate overnight. The entire vegan community has some serious thinking to do.

After being so wholeheartedly focused on seemingly every other living being on this planet other than ourselves quite frankly we have been driven mental and forced to make the decision to look after ourselves. We realised if we continued with this project in our current state it would inevitably collapse anyway as we just do not have the strength to keep on giving what it has taken to get to this point.

As for what we are doing now, we need to take some time to focus on ourselves and we have some tough decisions to make about the best way in which to do that. We are not prepared to let go completely of the online presence we have built over the last few years but our focus will shift away from this project onto things that bring us more happiness.

We’re sorry…s

Marion Poliquin

I don’t have time for a full comment yet, but I have a question. When he says he’s not vegan anymore, is it clear whether he just means that he doesn’t want to call himself a vegan anymore to disassociate himself from the “community” or whether he has abandoned his principles?

Eisel Mazard

He has said (1) he won’t restrict his diet and (2) he will eat animal products. I agree, it often sounds like he is fence-sitting on the issue of actually buying meat, but we have to take him at his word. In the live-stream, he said that he has been eating animal products for a few days —that could be a lie. In this insane social context, it is remarkably common for vegans to declare themselves “not vegan” while eating a vegan diet: even DxE (Wayne Hsiung) did it.

Emmet Larrissy

I’ll try to say something positive about this (as I feel my comments are often only sarcastic).The vegan community is a lot better now than it was even 1 year ago. And I can see that very slowly the vegan community is becoming what it really should be. And really without Joe it is a better community I think.

Eisel Mazard

I agree, actually: circumstances HAVE improved in a year, and I do think my own personal agonies have played some role. I was thinking the other day that we may “close the case” with Durianrider in relatively positive circumstances now (compared to one year ago) —i.e., I would not have chosen these delays (if I had a choice) but it is sort of “nice” to have it wrap up in the current (more positive) climate.

Mar 28 at 8:02am

Progress: Storybook Artist on Lock.

I’ve been talking to Kate Louise Powell about the project for quite some time: I believe she is now (100%) committed to taking on the project, at the end of this semester.You can see more of her illustrations here: https://www.instagram.com/katelouisepowell/?hl=en

I’ve been talking to Kate Louise Powell about the project for quite some time: I believe she is now (100%) committed to taking on the project, at the end of this semester.You can see more of her illustrations here: https://www.instagram.com/katelouisepowell/?hl=en

Olivia Blyth

What a beautiful collaboration it’s gonna be oh my god

Emmet Larrissy

Wow she is great.

Mar 28 at 6:28am

Poetry in passing (and the mystery of a dead dog)

I share this partly just because of the “poem” I put together to accompany the photo on twitter, but also to reflect on the oddity of the dead dog itself.I did take some time to puzzle over the location and nature of the death: the dog’s eyes were wide open, and it was too far from the road to have been struck by traffic (and sheltered by the shrub: it wasn’t possible that a motorcycle veered off-road).

Having inspected the corpse, it really is possible that the dog’s owner killed it, with a single blow to the head (and, thus, that the dog’s corpse was disposed of here, but it didn’t die here). There’s no damage on the body, and I’ve never seen any birds of prey here that could have done the deed (genuinely, in Canada, this could have been the work of an owl: they strike the heads of both dogs and humans, just to amuse themselves, often enough causing death).

BTW, on Twitter, you can find me at: https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=en

I share this partly just because of the “poem” I put together to accompany the photo on twitter, but also to reflect on the oddity of the dead dog itself.I did take some time to puzzle over the location and nature of the death: the dog’s eyes were wide open, and it was too far from the road to have been struck by traffic (and sheltered by the shrub: it wasn’t possible that a motorcycle veered off-road).

Having inspected the corpse, it really is possible that the dog’s owner killed it, with a single blow to the head (and, thus, that the dog’s corpse was disposed of here, but it didn’t die here). There’s no damage on the body, and I’ve never seen any birds of prey here that could have done the deed (genuinely, in Canada, this could have been the work of an owl: they strike the heads of both dogs and humans, just to amuse themselves, often enough causing death).

BTW, on Twitter, you can find me at: https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=en

Brittany Dawn

I take pictures of dead creatures in passing, birds and rodents etc. I can’t help but think of their story leading up to the inevitable…That weird? I’ll still do it. I even wrote a song about one.

ModVegan

SO sad. I would imagine it was a runaway that ran into the wrong person on the street…

Mar 27 at 3:56pm

[Other voices:] Indian, Vegan Food Channel (based in Pune)

I’ve mentioned a million times (and recently, too!) the tremendous potential role that India may (or may not) play in the future of veganism…https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_0QHcrXUsOo_4wFEkJw_Cw/videos

…in this cultural context, it really is “vegan vs. vegetarian” that we’re talking about, and it is worth talking about.

I’ve mentioned a million times (and recently, too!) the tremendous potential role that India may (or may not) play in the future of veganism…https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_0QHcrXUsOo_4wFEkJw_Cw/videos

…in this cultural context, it really is “vegan vs. vegetarian” that we’re talking about, and it is worth talking about.s

Mar 27 at 1:51pm

Losing faith in Durianrider & launching a new (Vegan) dating app.

Sam is launching a new (vegan-only) dating application called “Sprout”, you can check that out, here: http://www.gosprout.io/s

Mar 27 at 6:22am

Vegan life in small-town China & small-town Canada (a conversation)

Mar 26 at 4:27pm

Why (Left-Wing) Feminists Hate Vegans / Veganism

Some of you will already be very (VERY!) familiar with the type of anti-vegan argument I’m addressing in this video… but for those of you who have not seen/heard it before, here is a sincere example (from a Canadian university publication): http://theargus.ca/ac/2017/the-problems-with-veganism/

Some of you will already be very (VERY!) familiar with the type of anti-vegan argument I’m addressing in this video… but for those of you who have not seen/heard it before, here is a sincere example (from a Canadian university publication): http://theargus.ca/ac/2017/the-problems-with-veganism/

ModVegan

You guys probably already know this, but Cesar Chavez – president of the United Farm Workers – was a vocal vegetarian and later vegan (his niece says he never ate any animal products, incl. eggs and dairy). Ditto Coretta Scott King. If you (I’m speaking broadly to my fellow progressives) don’t like the elitist tenor of veganism, then start talking about it differently! I’m glad these days there are at least a few more non-acaii berry-slurping-white bikini models in the community. But the existence of shallow vegans doesn’t falsify the ethical foundations of veganism.

Pauline

Coming to this very late (currently working long hours and have little time for the internet, etc.), and have only just watched the video – and not had time to read the article. I just thought I’d add that Will Kymlicka has written about and given lectures on animal rights and the left – and in relation to why, traditionally, the left has shunned animal rights and has viewed violence towards animals with indifference. He says there are a number of reasons, but one of them is that some social groups have historically been described as “animals” as a way of denigrating and subjugating them. Thus, a “radical discontinuity” or exaggerated distinction between human and nonhuman animals has been created. And human life is sanctified in order to separate humans from other animals. A chasm is built. He says “this radical discontinuity gives subaltern groups a tool to challenge their dehumanisation… The sanctification of the human gives “out-groups” a resource with which to challenge their dehumanised treatment”. Associating with animal rights has been seen as “toxic” on the left. There is the perception that advocating for animal rights will end up harming advocacy for other oppressed groups. He also talks about the depth of our cultural inheritance. The three Abrahamic religions all assert that only humans were made in God’s image and that animals were put on earth to serve human beings. This is a deep premise of monotheistic religions. Even those who purportedly disavow religious arguments continue to be shaped by that assumption. We share in some divinity, and notion that animals are here to serve us. “Those on the left are not immune from species narcissism and self interest”, including not wanting to relinquish their “flow of pleasures”, just like everyone else . Animal exploitation is built deeply into the fabric of our societies. In case anyone’s interested, this is his lecture, “Animal Rights, Multiculturalism, and the Left”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsIf6xJ0Vuw

Mar 25 at 1:37am

“Effective Altruism” is Rubbish, Innit? (Veganism / Ecology / Animal Rights)

If you care about the future of the vegan movement, read the essay, here’s the link:https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan/the-actual-number-is-almost-surely-higher-92c908f36517

Nathan Harrison, “the actual number is almost certainly higher”, an essay in large part about A.C.E. (Animal Charity Evaluators) and the effective altruism / effective activism paradigm.

If you care about the future of the vegan movement, read the essay, here’s the link:https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan/the-actual-number-is-almost-surely-higher-92c908f36517

Nathan Harrison, “the actual number is almost certainly higher”, an essay in large part about A.C.E. (Animal Charity Evaluators) and the effective altruism / effective activism paradigm.s

Alec Android

The logical conclusion of this “anti-suffering” ideology is that we should euthanise every animal on the planet including all humans. Sounds like professional Nazi troll shit to me.

Tom Lewis

Wow, thanks for sharing this link. Glad I took time out of my day to go through this!

Eisel Mazard

The essay is not “centrally organized” … it continues to offer the reader surprises, right up to the end. While this is not really a compliment, I am being sincere (in the video) when I say that (basically) EVERYONE should read it.

Mar 25 at 1:27am

[The video is up!] V is for Vegan, B IS FOR BIMBO!

Mar 25 at 12:28am

“Veganism doesn’t work for everyone… only for SOME PEOPLE…”

Yeah, you’ve heard it before: “veganism doesn’t work for everyone” —sometimes a sincere exception, sometimes an insincere excuse. A solid 30% of this video is an anecdote about romance/dating/love-life… but I assure you, we do get back to the point, and the anecdote is (really!) integral to what I’m trying to say.

Yeah, you’ve heard it before: “veganism doesn’t work for everyone” —sometimes a sincere exception, sometimes an insincere excuse. A solid 30% of this video is an anecdote about romance/dating/love-life… but I assure you, we do get back to the point, and the anecdote is (really!) integral to what I’m trying to say.s

Maddalena

Just out of curiosity peanuts are legumes

Eisel Mazard

(That explains it!)

Alec Android

I enjoy legumes but according to chronometer you can meet all your needs without them by just eating more vegetables, but you gotta eat like a kilogram of spinach and bok choy every day if you’re using just rice and vegetables. With pasta, oats, nuts, tree nuts and vegetables it doesn’t even seem like it would even be that hard tbh. I’d have to be allergic to legumes, wheat, oats, tree nuts and vegetables to even feel like veganism was making my life really difficult, and that would of course be difficult for non-vegans too.

Eisel Mazard

In one sense it would be easier: her health condition already forces her to NEVER eat in restaurants, and avoid most/all processed food… so, I guess, “you might as well be vegan”.

Mar 24 at 2:39pm

[Podcast:] “B is for Bimbo” (with no video!)

This is actually an edited video, with significant visual elements on-screen (it is not just me talking at the camera) …but, at this time, I have absolutely no way to upload to youtube!So… for now… please use your imagination, and enjoy “B is for Bimbo” (the image above should help).

It is possible that we will be back to “Plan A”, and I really will only be able to upload to Patreon (not to youtube) for a few months… if so, I hope I can at least put an announcement on Youtube explaining that (perhaps uploading from a hotel room?).

This is actually an edited video, with significant visual elements on-screen (it is not just me talking at the camera) …but, at this time, I have absolutely no way to upload to youtube!So… for now… please use your imagination, and enjoy “B is for Bimbo” (the image above should help).

It is possible that we will be back to “Plan A”, and I really will only be able to upload to Patreon (not to youtube) for a few months… if so, I hope I can at least put an announcement on Youtube explaining that (perhaps uploading from a hotel room?).

B is for Bimbo, V is for Vegan.mp3s

jack’s Afer effort

I can’t watch Abby Pollack.

ModVegan

I really liked this one, Eisel. And I was expecting not to . Well done. Being a bimbo isn’t about gender (and originally the term was used for men anyway), it’s about the presentation of self.

Maddalena

yeah it is a very cute noun in Italian and it literally means “baby BOY”

Mar 24 at 4:17am

Three new “podcasts” (because I CAN’T upload videos, ATM!)

My girlfriend tells me that only one of these videos is (currently) visible on Youtube: I can’t see youtube at all (from my current location) at the moment.All three of these will emerge as videos on youtube eventually (we hope my current lack-of-access isn’t permanent).

I do think that the recording, “Veganism works for SOME PEOPLE…” is an especially good one).

All three of these were recorded “before a live studio audience” on Younow.

My girlfriend tells me that only one of these videos is (currently) visible on Youtube: I can’t see youtube at all (from my current location) at the moment.All three of these will emerge as videos on youtube eventually (we hope my current lack-of-access isn’t permanent).

I do think that the recording, “Veganism works for SOME PEOPLE…” is an especially good one).

All three of these were recorded “before a live studio audience” on Younow.

Rap vs professors, hiphop as a white intellectual.mp3

Essay on (Vegan) Effective Altruism (ACE, etc).mp3

Veganism works for SOME PEOPLE, not others, allegedly.mp3

NotKurtis

I’ve googled what a re-up is like 4 times and dude I keep forgetting

NotKurtis

P.s. watch this https://youtu.be/vWaljXUiCaE

Mar 24 at 2:23am

[Minor update:] Two New Videos, but Zero “Real” Internet Access ATM.

Two new videos did upload to youtube last night, but I wake up this morning and I have zero “real” access to the internet. I’ve mentioned this many times in podcasts, etc. —my ability to use the internet (in this part of China) comes and goes unpredictably/intermittently.Normally, I would post each youtube video here in Patreon, so that people can comment on them, discuss them, etc. (and, as I mentioned last night, I have more material to upload ASAP) …but, right now, I can’t do any of that.

This could last less than one day, or… ??? If it is indicative of more of a long-term problem, honestly, my “Plan B” would be to check into a hotel, and try to access youtube from there.

Two new videos did upload to youtube last night, but I wake up this morning and I have zero “real” access to the internet. I’ve mentioned this many times in podcasts, etc. —my ability to use the internet (in this part of China) comes and goes unpredictably/intermittently.Normally, I would post each youtube video here in Patreon, so that people can comment on them, discuss them, etc. (and, as I mentioned last night, I have more material to upload ASAP) …but, right now, I can’t do any of that.

This could last less than one day, or… ??? If it is indicative of more of a long-term problem, honestly, my “Plan B” would be to check into a hotel, and try to access youtube from there.

Mar 23 at 4:33pm

Minor update: 4 or 5 new videos uploading now.

I’ve been busy, I’ve been sick (semi-seriously: the illness impairs my sleep, and lack-of-sleep impairs everything else in my life… I’m now on antibiotics)… but I did a two-hour live-stream today, and I now have 4 or 5 new videos uploading (one of them Patreon-exclusive, two of them edited).

I’ve been busy, I’ve been sick (semi-seriously: the illness impairs my sleep, and lack-of-sleep impairs everything else in my life… I’m now on antibiotics)… but I did a two-hour live-stream today, and I now have 4 or 5 new videos uploading (one of them Patreon-exclusive, two of them edited).

Mar 22 at 12:40pm

Dehong: Is there any distinctive, local food that’s Vegan?

The soup itself is exactly the sum of its ingredients: you choose the ingredients from a wall, and they cook them up for you. There’s no broth, so the taste of the water reflects whatever green herbs you select from the wall.However, e.g., the strange orange “sauce” (on the left-hand side) is made from pumpkins (or orange gourds similar to pumpkins) …I have never seen/tasted anything like it in Thai, Lao or Chinese cuisine.

So there are just a few distinctive local elements of cuisine that don’t consist of the bodies of dead animals.

This whole meal cost 12元 (1.6 Euros / 1.7 USD). I see cheaper every day: on campus, I bought a bowl of cut fruit for 5元, and normal dishes are 1 or 2元 each.

The soup itself is exactly the sum of its ingredients: you choose the ingredients from a wall, and they cook them up for you. There’s no broth, so the taste of the water reflects whatever green herbs you select from the wall.However, e.g., the strange orange “sauce” (on the left-hand side) is made from pumpkins (or orange gourds similar to pumpkins) …I have never seen/tasted anything like it in Thai, Lao or Chinese cuisine.

So there are just a few distinctive local elements of cuisine that don’t consist of the bodies of dead animals.

This whole meal cost 12元 (1.6 Euros / 1.7 USD). I see cheaper every day: on campus, I bought a bowl of cut fruit for 5元, and normal dishes are 1 or 2元 each.s

Nick Knowles

Looks good, uuh, what’s next on the agenda?

Eisel Mazard

“Saving the world”. I’ve been sick.

Maddalena

I’d have put all the rice into the soup, so good!

Mar 21 at 2:37pm

[Other Voices:] An Important Critique of Phony “Effective Activism” Stats In Veganism

Attached as a zip file is an article that you can find on Medium.com under the title, “The Actual Number is Almost Certainly Higher”.https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan

The author is Nathan Harrison, and I have been intending to make a video discussing or promoting (or at least mentioning) this article for quite some time.

If you have no background in social science statistics, you may well just want to read the introduction and the conclusion: the descriptions of how the data is misrepresented, misused, and/or how it was flawed and fraudulent to begin with, may not be easy reading.

To be honest, at this moment, I don’t really know what direction to take with this document on youtube: a video titled “_______ is a scam” would seem gauche, but might be appropriate.

Attached as a zip file is an article that you can find on Medium.com under the title, “The Actual Number is Almost Certainly Higher”.https://medium.com/@harrisonnathan

The author is Nathan Harrison, and I have been intending to make a video discussing or promoting (or at least mentioning) this article for quite some time.

If you have no background in social science statistics, you may well just want to read the introduction and the conclusion: the descriptions of how the data is misrepresented, misused, and/or how it was flawed and fraudulent to begin with, may not be easy reading.

To be honest, at this moment, I don’t really know what direction to take with this document on youtube: a video titled “_______ is a scam” would seem gauche, but might be appropriate.

Nathan Harrison, critique of fake (vegan) social science stats.zip

Mar 21 at 1:24am

The Stairway to the Golden Temple (a glimpse of Dehong)

“You’re going to meet the same people on the way up as you’re going to meet on the way down.”I walked up these stairs twice in one day: as I’m accustomed to the tropics, I consider it cool here (i.e., cool relative to Cambodia) and I was delighted to see an old man walking the stairs (for exercise) wearing gloves —i.e., he considered it “cool”, too.

However, on the same walk, I saw quite a few younger people in t-shirts.

Dehong is a mixture of indigenous and only-recently-settled cultures: the Chinese who come from colder climates consider it too hot, but for those of us accustomed to Southeast Asia, it is refreshingly cool (while still having mango trees, jackfruit, dragonfruit and even grapefruit growing on the trees that line the streets, etc.).

“You’re going to meet the same people on the way up as you’re going to meet on the way down.”I walked up these stairs twice in one day: as I’m accustomed to the tropics, I consider it cool here (i.e., cool relative to Cambodia) and I was delighted to see an old man walking the stairs (for exercise) wearing gloves —i.e., he considered it “cool”, too.

However, on the same walk, I saw quite a few younger people in t-shirts.

Dehong is a mixture of indigenous and only-recently-settled cultures: the Chinese who come from colder climates consider it too hot, but for those of us accustomed to Southeast Asia, it is refreshingly cool (while still having mango trees, jackfruit, dragonfruit and even grapefruit growing on the trees that line the streets, etc.).s

Mar 20 at 1:41am

Protest (or Propaganda?) on the Streets of Dehong.

You can google “萨德” (plus Korea) if you want to figure out what sort of 美帝国主义 is being hinted at here.And, again, you can see in this photo how beautiful the ordinary streets of Dehong are (this is not an exceptionally beautiful street-corner, it’s just an ordinary street downtown).

You can google “萨德” (plus Korea) if you want to figure out what sort of 美帝国主义 is being hinted at here.And, again, you can see in this photo how beautiful the ordinary streets of Dehong are (this is not an exceptionally beautiful street-corner, it’s just an ordinary street downtown).s

ModVegan

I’m really curious how the city can afford to keep everything so nice! Are many Chinese cities this well-kept?

Eisel Mazard

Both Mangshi and Ruili (芒市 & 瑞丽) maintain this very high standard, in a context of zero tourism; Jinghong (景洪) is at a much higher standard, as it is a significant destination for Beijing tourists escaping the winter cold. I saw a large number of small towns of no particular fame in the bus-ride from Kunming to Mangshi; they have a very different aesthetic quality to them, and definitely do not have the same level of government-subsidized gardening going on (however, as towns rather than cities, they are more immediately surrounded by greenery of another kind). So, yes, the tree-lined streets do, ultimately, correspond to a sense of what is (and what is not) supposed to be an important place.

Mar 19 at 3:04pm

[Other Voices:] McDougall’s analysis of a vegan death-by-cancer: Steve Jobs.

This was more interesting than I thought it would be or could be, but the first 20 minutes or so may be too slow if you already have a high level of familiarity with the subject-matter (i.e., if you’re already familiar with either pancreatic cancer, or Steve Jobs, or both). And yes, this presentation does have meaningful links to veganism throughout.

This was more interesting than I thought it would be or could be, but the first 20 minutes or so may be too slow if you already have a high level of familiarity with the subject-matter (i.e., if you’re already familiar with either pancreatic cancer, or Steve Jobs, or both). And yes, this presentation does have meaningful links to veganism throughout.s

Genevieve Jackson

https://blog.bulletproof.com/steve-jobs-dr-dean-ornish-and-vegetarian-cancer/ Ugh. More vegan YouTubers need to tear into Asprey. Ornish’s way of eating made my asthma my disappear as a teen. I know an oncologist who is vegetarian and could probably let me know if this Mcdougall lecture is spot on, which I feel it is. I don’t think he has hidden agenda.

Genevieve Jackson

Eisel, David Asprey is a a “Buddhist” you need to take him out. Whole Foods is promoting him excessively these days, even though John Mackey eats Mcdougall style.

Mar 18 at 1:23pm

The British & Australians: Dept. of Observational Humor.

One of my former patreon-supporters (who long since quit, because she considered my views too offensive) often complained that I have an bias against the British —and while this may be true, some of my best friends are British. ;-)This observaton got affirmative reactions from quite a few people on youtube (and from just one or two on twitter?) and, also, resulted in a few anti-semitic remarks directed my way.

One of my former patreon-supporters (who long since quit, because she considered my views too offensive) often complained that I have an bias against the British —and while this may be true, some of my best friends are British. ;-)This observaton got affirmative reactions from quite a few people on youtube (and from just one or two on twitter?) and, also, resulted in a few anti-semitic remarks directed my way.s

Mar 17 at 3:37pm

Unnecessary Evil: Why Becca Bristow Won’t “Go Vegan”.

Note that I shared this link (via Patreon) before it finished uploading (thus, for a few hours after this is posted here, you will not yet be able to see the video: you’ll possibly receive a message saying it is processing, or that it is private).You want the link to Becca Bristow’s original video on this topic? Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCnHZGy5JI

Note that I shared this link (via Patreon) before it finished uploading (thus, for a few hours after this is posted here, you will not yet be able to see the video: you’ll possibly receive a message saying it is processing, or that it is private).You want the link to Becca Bristow’s original video on this topic? Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orCnHZGy5JIs

Vegan. M

Back at your best on this video. Eloquently executed.

Leanne Gray

Really, what I think it comes down to in most cases is that it’s must easier (emotionally, physically, culturally, logistically) to come up with rationalizations and justifications that let you maintain your current behavior, than it is to radically alter your behavior and/or admit that you’ve been behaving in a way that’s wrong or even evil. It really doesn’t matter what the moral argument in question is – veganism, environmentalism, not buying clothes made in sweatshops, not buying leather, drug use, drunk driving, etc. etc. Most people don’t consider themselves bad people – most people, in fact, are strongly resistant to even the slightest implication that they’re not good people. Thus, to not only acknowledge your moral failings, but then to radically change your behavior, and to experience the social and other consequences of that change (especially when that change goes against cultural norms) is just beyond most people. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that people who make drastic morality driven changes in their life also typically join an entirely new community when they do so – whether that’s joining a cult, moving to a new town or city that’s more conducive to your new lifestyle, quitting your life and moving to Thailand to eat fruit and bicycle up mountains day after day… People in general are just not as in control of their own actions are they’d like to think they are.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “most people, in fact, are strongly resistant to even the slightest implication that they’re not good people” —dunno. In post-Christian culture, many of us seem to enjoy wallowing in such recriminations. Although the type of behavior you describe is common, I think it is culturally Christian (and doesn’t have obvious parallels, e.g., in Theravada Buddhist culture, where “righteousness” has a very different meaning). Any religion that equates “bad” with “going to hell” will probably foster this sort of outlook.

Mar 17 at 8:09am

Vegan Birth/Baby Story (how my daughter was born)

30 minutes of anecdotes and reflections connected to the birth of my daughter (in France). Veganism does come up at several points in the monologue (esp. in reference to to how the medical professionals perceived us), but this is not (primarily) about veganism.

Vegan Birth Story (how my daughter was born).mp3s

Genevieve Jackson

I came out clean and perfect.

ModVegan

Doctors do not like to be questioned. In any country. For the first few visits to my OBGyn (who also happened to be a friend – a little weird), I asked a few questions and his response was “if you want your kid to die, go ahead”. In those words. Granted, the guy is a workaholic and was probably operating on 2 hours of sleep, but it was crazy harsh (we were asking about something incredibly banal, like what happened in case a c-section was needed – not questioning his authority in any way). He’s probably the best ObGyn in the province, so he has a bit of a god complex. Turns out it was unnecessary anyway, as even though I was induced both times, the labour was extremely short (2 hours with the second one – and just a few minutes of active labour). In Canada I think you only stay overnight if there are no complications, so food isn’t an issue. We were at the hospital for less than 24 hours both times.

Maddalena

less than 24 hours, WOW

Mar 17 at 6:16am

A photo to illustrate my “vegan birth story”: uploading a 30 min. video now…

Youtube is not the best way to share photographs: I could have “edited in” images of this type, but I think it’s better to just share this photo (via Patreon) to allow some of you to fill-in-the-blanks with the story to come (in a 30 minute video, uploading now).Those of you who have followed my channel from day 1 will know SOME of this stuff, but I think that most of the story will be new to most of you.

The main photo (in the middle) really does show what my daughter looked like on day 1: in the video, I comment that she didn’t seem like a newborn, she seemed like “a fake baby” in contrast to the photographs and videos I’d been shown, of what I should expect.

The three photos at the bottom show the hallways, etc., of the hospital where she was born. The bottom-right photo is the tiny room that I describe as resembling a closet, where I had to wait (for no good reason) for several hours, with my daughter in my arms, at one stage of the story.

Youtube is not the best way to share photographs: I could have “edited in” images of this type, but I think it’s better to just share this photo (via Patreon) to allow some of you to fill-in-the-blanks with the story to come (in a 30 minute video, uploading now).Those of you who have followed my channel from day 1 will know SOME of this stuff, but I think that most of the story will be new to most of you.

The main photo (in the middle) really does show what my daughter looked like on day 1: in the video, I comment that she didn’t seem like a newborn, she seemed like “a fake baby” in contrast to the photographs and videos I’d been shown, of what I should expect.

The three photos at the bottom show the hallways, etc., of the hospital where she was born. The bottom-right photo is the tiny room that I describe as resembling a closet, where I had to wait (for no good reason) for several hours, with my daughter in my arms, at one stage of the story. of 4

Maddalena

She was so beautiful definitely not looking like a newborn like you said!

Olivia Blyth

Oh man she is gorgeous!!

Mar 16 at 12:51pm

I never wake up and wish that I was back in Sri Lanka. Never.

It is totally bizarre and nonsensical that the countries in leadership positions in veganism are (1) Taiwan and (2) Israel —whereas (e.g.) the self-declared capital of Buddhism, Sri Lanka, has no place in the contest whatsoever.Sinhalese (Sri Lankan) cuisine is never vegan, but it is still of some interest, and here’s the channel where I posted the comment, if you want to take a glance:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCehZksRAPygkRlxqGhHgWaQ/videos

It is totally bizarre and nonsensical that the countries in leadership positions in veganism are (1) Taiwan and (2) Israel —whereas (e.g.) the self-declared capital of Buddhism, Sri Lanka, has no place in the contest whatsoever.Sinhalese (Sri Lankan) cuisine is never vegan, but it is still of some interest, and here’s the channel where I posted the comment, if you want to take a glance:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCehZksRAPygkRlxqGhHgWaQ/videos

Genevieve Jackson

What the fuck kind of frozen carrot korma is that?

Eisel Mazard

It’s a legit curry: basically boiled carrots in a sauce, ya done know.

Mar 15 at 1:14am

Our Zhou Enlai Monument (Amidst the Bamboo)

This monument was mentioned —briefly— in one of my recent youtube videos (and this photo was taken by my girlfriend, BTW).The bamboo itself is quite striking in this glimpse of the memorial/monument to Zhou Enlai (周恩来, d. 1976).

Dehong is one of the last places on earth where almost nothing is documented on the internet: if you google “well known” attractions in Chinese or English, you find nothing (I have recently done this with one hotsprings, and several Buddhist temples, finding hardly a trace online). Come to think of it, I can’t recall any business here promoting its website (in advertising, flyers, etc.). The city does have plenty of internet cafés, but they seem to be primarily devoted to video-games. Even finding where things are located via internet maps remains very hit-and-miss —and I’ve had a few misses already.

The silence of the internet makes this place seem like more of a frontier than it really is: as you will have gathered from all of the photographs and videos that I’ve shared, life here is remarkably civilized.

This monument was mentioned —briefly— in one of my recent youtube videos (and this photo was taken by my girlfriend, BTW).The bamboo itself is quite striking in this glimpse of the memorial/monument to Zhou Enlai (周恩来, d. 1976).

Dehong is one of the last places on earth where almost nothing is documented on the internet: if you google “well known” attractions in Chinese or English, you find nothing (I have recently done this with one hotsprings, and several Buddhist temples, finding hardly a trace online). Come to think of it, I can’t recall any business here promoting its website (in advertising, flyers, etc.). The city does have plenty of internet cafés, but they seem to be primarily devoted to video-games. Even finding where things are located via internet maps remains very hit-and-miss —and I’ve had a few misses already.

The silence of the internet makes this place seem like more of a frontier than it really is: as you will have gathered from all of the photographs and videos that I’ve shared, life here is remarkably civilized.s

MarMar Zaiats

That is a beautiful picture. Good job to your girlfriend.

Mar 14 at 11:35pm

“On Community”, the Greek Translation of my Vegan Manifesto

There is, also, a playlist for all of the translations of this video (now 10?)……and, in related-but-unrelated news, I also made two new playlists yesterday, for my conversations with Vegan Gains and Vegan Cheetah respectively:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlists

There is, also, a playlist for all of the translations of this video (now 10?)……and, in related-but-unrelated news, I also made two new playlists yesterday, for my conversations with Vegan Gains and Vegan Cheetah respectively:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/playlistss

Brittany Dawn

Here here. Key phrases for me; Vegan Nightclub (dream) and Gay Food (I’m dead).

Eisel Mazard

We could at least have “Vegan Thursday” at an otherwise non-vegan nightclub, am I right? Seriously, even small towns in New Mexico have gay clubs (in my limited experience) but NOBODY has a vegan club / club night.

Mar 12 at 5:32am

[Patreon exclusive:] Internet surveillance: the future & current circumstances in China.

This is “patreon exclusive” following my current paradigm: this is not private-vs.-public (i.e., my normal youtube channel DEFINITELY includes private material), but, instead, I tend to make things patreon-exclusive when I’m talking outside of my area of expertise —when I want to disclaim that I DON’T know what I’m talking about, but regular viewers may (nevertheless) be interested.

This is “patreon exclusive” following my current paradigm: this is not private-vs.-public (i.e., my normal youtube channel DEFINITELY includes private material), but, instead, I tend to make things patreon-exclusive when I’m talking outside of my area of expertise —when I want to disclaim that I DON’T know what I’m talking about, but regular viewers may (nevertheless) be interested.

ModVegan

I really enjoyed this – I’ve had discussions on this subject for years w/my husband, who is more involved in cyber security than I am. I kind of live in a bubble, I guess, but I’m mystified as to why Western governments don’t just admit they observe citizens, and then allow law enforcement to use this information to positive ends (solving crimes, finding missing children, etc.). Obviously big brother surveillance is creepy, but it’s even creepier to pretend it doesn’t happen when anyone with a brain knows it does. I also am rather in favour of Universal ID. I find it annoying when people hide behind screen names and pseudonyms, personally (like, on the Philosophical Vegan forum I’m pretty sure I’m the only person with a real photo). I guess people think they’re protecting their privacy, but I think it’s a little delusional. And yeah, I know I go by ModVegan, but anyone can find my legal name in my bios).

jack’s Afer effort

*plays wild wild west theme*

Mar 11 at 4:00pm

My Father Died.

“Yesterday”, I suppose (I’m not quite sure how the time-zones apply).Although my youtube channel is in large part autobiographical, it is never really diaristic: my parents (in life and, now, in death) have not yet made an appearance. of 31

Stan

My condolences, Eisel.

MarMar Zaiats

Sorry for your loss. Hope you’re doing well.

Mar 11 at 6:29am

Note: there is zero historical architecture in Mangshi.

I’ve provided a lot of photographs (and a few video-clips) showing how beautiful a place this is to live (namely, Mangshi, Dehong, Yunnan, always stated in the opposite order in Chinese, BTW: 云南,德宏,芒市). HOWEVER, you’ll never find a single building in these photos that looks more than 30 years old.In this shot, above, the smaller buildings in the foreground seem to be the oldest in the downtown core: maybe from the early 1980s? Is there a single building in the whole city from the 1970s?

The vitality of Mangshi does directly and indirectly reflect the political instability and economic vitality of China: there is no historical architecture of any kind here, neither the flag-waving variety from the early days of the revolution nor the remnants of “the old society” before that. Implicitly, you can tell that the slate has been wiped clean here —repeatedly, I would suppose.

The riverbanks would be, in most cases, the historical center of a city of this kind, but they, too, have been totally wiped away. There’s no sense here of what the city ever looked like before (say) 1975 (or so). There’s no sense even of WHERE the city was.

I was able to find out about the history of Jinghong (景洪) when I lived there: in that case, I was correct that the city had been wiped away and rebuilt (repeatedly) but, in fact, not on quite the same site (maybe 5 km away, there were a few stones left in a farmer’s field from the old city). I also encountered “the opposite” in Thailand, where a city had been rebuilt (on a totally fresh site / clean slate) but with FAKE historical features/architecture (e.g., they had recreated a moat and wall around the (dissimulated) “old city limits”).

There’s a lot of new money here, too: even in this photo, are any of the cars more than 3 years old? Alas, there is probably nothing written about the (modern) history of Dehong in English, and it is unlikely that I will ever find/read this history in Chinese. So, I make these inferences simply from looking at “a clean slate”.

I’ve provided a lot of photographs (and a few video-clips) showing how beautiful a place this is to live (namely, Mangshi, Dehong, Yunnan, always stated in the opposite order in Chinese, BTW: 云南,德宏,芒市). HOWEVER, you’ll never find a single building in these photos that looks more than 30 years old.In this shot, above, the smaller buildings in the foreground seem to be the oldest in the downtown core: maybe from the early 1980s? Is there a single building in the whole city from the 1970s?

The vitality of Mangshi does directly and indirectly reflect the political instability and economic vitality of China: there is no historical architecture of any kind here, neither the flag-waving variety from the early days of the revolution nor the remnants of “the old society” before that. Implicitly, you can tell that the slate has been wiped clean here —repeatedly, I would suppose.

The riverbanks would be, in most cases, the historical center of a city of this kind, but they, too, have been totally wiped away. There’s no sense here of what the city ever looked like before (say) 1975 (or so). There’s no sense even of WHERE the city was.

I was able to find out about the history of Jinghong (景洪) when I lived there: in that case, I was correct that the city had been wiped away and rebuilt (repeatedly) but, in fact, not on quite the same site (maybe 5 km away, there were a few stones left in a farmer’s field from the old city). I also encountered “the opposite” in Thailand, where a city had been rebuilt (on a totally fresh site / clean slate) but with FAKE historical features/architecture (e.g., they had recreated a moat and wall around the (dissimulated) “old city limits”).

There’s a lot of new money here, too: even in this photo, are any of the cars more than 3 years old? Alas, there is probably nothing written about the (modern) history of Dehong in English, and it is unlikely that I will ever find/read this history in Chinese. So, I make these inferences simply from looking at “a clean slate”.

Art.of.War

My very vague impression is that Mangshi would have been heavily bombed (mostly levelled) by the Japanese in the 1940’s, roughly speaking bc it was a main point on the Burma Road (which brought supplies for China from western forces in Burma to Kunming), which then led to Japan occupying Burma to stop the supplies getting through? I realise this is a gross over-simplification of a complicated history tho, lol.

Eisel Mazard

I do not believe that “bombed” is the right verb here at all: the Japanese couldn’t send airplanes here (due to altitude and distance from where their airplanes were stationed on the coast), so it was a lot of mud-and-blood fighting (at ground level, with relatively little heavy equipment of any kind… never seen a single photo of a tank around here, seemingly all men-on-foot).

Patrick P.

People can’t long for a past they don’t know

Mar 11 at 6:17am

[Other voices:] Reinterpreting “Not a death-threat” as a death threat.

This is really a footnote to a footnote, but Cheetah did choose to reinterpret my video (“not a death-threat”) as a death-threat, with the footnote that he considered it “Shakespearean”.

Genevieve Jackson

Does he really do any research? Did he even watch. Your video is anything but Shakespearean. It shocks me that someone who once competed in classical piano could dumb themselves down so much.

Eisel Mazard

Cheetah has elements of both stupidity and insanity in his act, but I assume this is neither one: he’s just trying to “fill air” with improvisations. When he has nothing to say, he invents something (out of thin air, as we say).

Emmet Larrissy

As far as Vegan Cheetah is concerned; Shakespeare is a man with a pointy beard.

ModVegan

Yeah, I was gonna say, the closest Charles has come to reading Shakespeare is having the last name “Marlowe.”

Mar 10 at 2:49pm

A snapshot from the streets of Mangshi, Dehong (with a sense of human scale)

If you take a moment to look, there’s a great sense of human scale in this one: the woman playing with a small child on the left-hand side, and the old man strolling in the center, etc. Otherwise, this is just a regular, gorgeous road in Dehong: fruit on the trees, fruit on the streets.s

Matthias K.

permanent vacation done right

ModVegan

Seriously, so clean! Wow! Is it always like that? It looks like a Chinese Aix-en-Provence!

Mar 9 at 1:58pm

[Other voices] [Circa 2 min.] Cheetah sings the ballad of Anna Scanlon

This link should take you to the 5:45 mark of this video… and Cheetah begins singing (outright) in giving voice to his love/hate relationship with Anna Scanlon. Be it fiction or defamation or both… it is, actually, a fairly impressive (improvised) song. And, yes, it is even more hilarious to imagine that this ends up as evidence in a court of law.

This link should take you to the 5:45 mark of this video… and Cheetah begins singing (outright) in giving voice to his love/hate relationship with Anna Scanlon. Be it fiction or defamation or both… it is, actually, a fairly impressive (improvised) song. And, yes, it is even more hilarious to imagine that this ends up as evidence in a court of law.

Emmet Larrissy

this song was re-released on International Women’s Day. This will be Cheetah’s anthem for International Women’s Day.

Jessica

The song was honestly so catchy that I almost forgot all the messed up things he’s done. He might be a dick and deserve legal retribution for the things he’s done but in some moments he shows charisma beyond the shallow reasons people might be drawn to him (drama whoring and looks). It’s a bit of a shame. Seems like if he wasn’t so self-destructive and so completely lacking professionalism (even by online personality standards)… he could have been the popular entertainer he obviously wants to be.

Eisel Mazard

I’ve said to him directly, many times: whatever talent he’s got, he’s wasting it. The whole thing is a waste of talent, even if you don’t think he’s got much to waste.

Mar 7 at 3:33am

This is not a death-threat: Vegan Cheetah’s lawsuit.

Yep, this is the high-quality (high-resolution) version of the same video (did it take 12 hours to upload or what?). So, yes, you can finally see the outer edges of the screen (the first version chopped off the left-and-right hand sides), and the strange greenish color of my eyes, etc.

Emmet Larrissy

In the last video you showed how VC’s attitude is influenced by the fact that he could never become a serious politician. There area a couple of things I could day about that. Somebody who used to be a heroin addict could in theory have gone on to become a real journalist (if they had the inclinations to do it). But also that video really explains VC’s resentment and anger towards other youtubers (such as Bite Size Emily or Vegan gains) . He feels a desire to drag everyone else down to his level. And that’s what drives his channel now.

Eisel Mazard

Long story short: Cheetah dropping out of college is a big deal, and broadcasting / showbusiness is one of the few fields where his past as a drug addict would not be such a big deal. That B.A. (in broadcast media) really could have helped him out in a huge way.

ModVegan

I got a reply from someone saying that I needed to watch this video and call you out, lol. After seeing it, I have no idea why! I enjoyed it, tbh, and I think you make a good point: if you were just after revenge, a lawsuit wouldn’t be your go-to (and if it was, you’d be kinda dumb, since the legal system doesn’t really work that way). I also like the subtle dig at anarchists, who seem to think we can have a peaceful (non)society existing in a state of nature

Eisel Mazard

I thought about digressing into, “Why I’m not an anarchist…”. Probably 50% of my videos contain implicitly anti-anarchist content at this point.

Mar 6 at 9:07pm

Why I Don’t Have a Future.

Here’s the video (MP3 already posted, separately). This is largely about the scholarship-and-research side of my life (past, present and future) —although there is some comparative reference to vegan activism in the conclusion.

Vegan. M

Can you do a video in Pali? It would be really interesting to hear you speak the language.

Matthias K.

maybe he can do a video of him calling nina and randa ugly in 10 languages

Mar 6 at 10:29am

[Podcast version:] Why I Don’t Have a Future.

This one will (eventually) upload as a video, but that seems to be taking 12 hours, so I thought I’d upload the MP3 (audio-only/podcast version) right now, for those who want more content ASAP.

Why I Don’t Have a Future.mp3s

Mar 6 at 7:02am

[Version 2:] This is not a death-threat: Vegan Cheetah’s lawsuit.

This is “version 1” because I uploaded a low-quality version of the video (ASAP). A higher quality version of the video (ten times the file-size) will upload over the next 12 hours (?) but I share this link, now, so you guys have the opportunity to comment on it.In addition to being lower quality, this version of the video has incorrect “dimensions”: at a few points parts of the image “disappear” on the left and right extremes of the screen.

This is “version 1” because I uploaded a low-quality version of the video (ASAP). A higher quality version of the video (ten times the file-size) will upload over the next 12 hours (?) but I share this link, now, so you guys have the opportunity to comment on it.In addition to being lower quality, this version of the video has incorrect “dimensions”: at a few points parts of the image “disappear” on the left and right extremes of the screen.s

M

Man, I love this kind of drama!! Omg! Will try to donate to Ana!

Eisel Mazard

She should offer donors some kind of keepsake, like a signed photo from the courthouse, or a figurine of a cheetah on a spit-roast or something.

Nick Knowles

Yea, well, kek be praised!

Mar 5 at 6:42am

Vegan Job Offer: University-Level Teaching in Dehong, China.

Yeah, this is actually a job-offer: maybe one of my Patreon supporters wants to move in next-door to me?No, not you, Durianrider, sit down.s

Vegan Dreams

Sounds like a great opportunity….

Alec Android

Still available?

Alec Android

Maybe you said in the video and I missed it but does this require a degree? I haven’t graduated yet and possibly need another long break. How long is the contract for?

Mar 5 at 5:35am

Love & Ambition: low expectations are no defense against disappointment.

Recorded after midnight, at the end of a very long day (that ended with waiting alongside my girlfriend at the airport).s

NotKurtis

Time to come clean: the girlfriend is me

Vegan. M

But life is potentially a video game, of sorts. Science is not far off proving that we are in fact part of some sort of virtual game, controlled by a master computer. You always put a lot of emphasis on ambition, and use it in quite an ambiguous, almost snobby way. But has your ambition not led to misery? It would seem so from many of your videos. To your credit though you have said an accomplished life is not necessarily a happy one and that one must endure suffering to make a real difference in the world, which is a very “Buddhist” approach for a self-confessed non-Buddhist. Careful though. Ambition exists only in your head, and is defined by your ego. You might perceive that your life studying Pali and Cree, or being a vegan activist, is more relevant or important than someone who sits at home watching Jerry Springer all day, but are the roles and actions we take within the movie of life not simply allegoric? Don’t let this new chemical reaction of “love” you are enduring cloud your critical thinking.

Mar 5 at 1:57am

Freelee didn’t quit, SHE IS A FAILURE (“Vegan Activism”)

This took over 8 hours to upload, but I woke up this morning to find (to my amusement) that the video has an equal number of “thumbs up” and “thumbs down” (at this moment, it is 45 to 45). This is always a solid sign that you’re reaching the audience that needs to hear it, not just the audience that wants to hear it. ;-)And, yeah, there’s an MP3 / podcast version attached, for those who don’t wanna look at me sitting in a chair for 10 minutes.

This took over 8 hours to upload, but I woke up this morning to find (to my amusement) that the video has an equal number of “thumbs up” and “thumbs down” (at this moment, it is 45 to 45). This is always a solid sign that you’re reaching the audience that needs to hear it, not just the audience that wants to hear it. ;-)And, yeah, there’s an MP3 / podcast version attached, for those who don’t wanna look at me sitting in a chair for 10 minutes.

Freelee didn’t quit, SHE IS A FAILURE (%22Vegan Activism%22).mp3s

Genevieve Jackson

Many are still carrying her torch. Dr. Gregor got a platform with her first. She probably reinvigorated Mcdougall. All these people won’t ever make that connection though. It’s kind of sad. If only maybe she would take time, go back to school and really do something more instead of just living a “minimalist lifestyle.” It frustrates me. I have two small children and can’t do half the things I want. She could do anything! Progress to another level. I don’t know though. One can start out positive, and then you really see the world, and sometimes it feels pointless. You see 4 year old gypsy kids smoking cigarettes.

ModVegan

Haha, I have to say, Genevieve is right that I probably wouldn’t know about you if it hadn’t been for Freelee (I had zero interest in HCLF, but when I first became interested in veganism, I got videos from Peter Singer, Gary Yourofsky, Bite Size Vegan, and Freelee Question though: did she claim she was ‘the most successful vegan activist’ or was that DR? And in answer to your question, she obviously decided to become a minimalism vlogger after seeing my video on the subject

Eisel Mazard

They did say it of themselves, collectively, “we are the most effective vegan activists” —and I do remember Freelee talking about it (basically in explaining her methodology, and also, sometimes, in snubbing her competition).

Mar 4 at 2:08am

ESL: Teaching English in Asia (esp. Yunnan, China & Thailand, Laos, Cambodia)

MP3/podcast version attached (and no, there’s nothing to see here, aside from hand-gestures, so you can easily hear this one as a podcast).Although my main job here is teaching university-aged students (on a formal university campus) I recorded this immediately after teaching two (much less formal) classrooms of children.

MP3/podcast version attached (and no, there’s nothing to see here, aside from hand-gestures, so you can easily hear this one as a podcast).Although my main job here is teaching university-aged students (on a formal university campus) I recorded this immediately after teaching two (much less formal) classrooms of children.

ESL, Teaching English in Asia (esp. Yunnan, China & Thailand, Laos, Cambodia).mp3s

Mar 3 at 1:09am

BLM: The Precise Problem with Black Lives Matter.

I PROMISE, THIS VIDEO IS STILL INDIRECTLY RELATED TO VEGANISM!!!! Apart from Vegan Gains being “in the mix”, I do relate this critique (of BLM’s constitution) to parallel problems of organizing veganism as a movement (briefly).And, yes, the MP3 (podcast version) is attached, but this one is relatively visually stimulating.

I PROMISE, THIS VIDEO IS STILL INDIRECTLY RELATED TO VEGANISM!!!! Apart from Vegan Gains being “in the mix”, I do relate this critique (of BLM’s constitution) to parallel problems of organizing veganism as a movement (briefly).And, yes, the MP3 (podcast version) is attached, but this one is relatively visually stimulating.

BLM, the Precise Problem with Black Lives Matter.mp3s

ModVegan

In defence of DxE (your fave group, I know), they actually do lay out simply and clearly their zero-tolerance of violence, etc. And they aren’t exactly the best funded organization out there. If they can say what they are against, so can BLM.

Vegan Dreams

BLM is just a communist front to bring the country to CHAOS….

Mar 1 at 3:51pm

[5 min.] A sober moment of reflection from Cheetah (and my influence on him).

This is an interesting moment (only a few minutes long) starting one hour and 32 minutes into “the tape” here.Cheetah is actually reflecting on the first video of mine that he saw (or that really stuck with him) —a video in which I reflected that Cheetah (and other vegan personalities like him) rose to fame in a manner similar to stand-up comedians, but could never be elected mayor (etc.).

Years later, it is interesting to hear that this still stays with him, and shapes his own sense of engagement with vegan politics (as a commentator, but a perpetual outsider, perhaps?).

This is an interesting moment (only a few minutes long) starting one hour and 32 minutes into “the tape” here.Cheetah is actually reflecting on the first video of mine that he saw (or that really stuck with him) —a video in which I reflected that Cheetah (and other vegan personalities like him) rose to fame in a manner similar to stand-up comedians, but could never be elected mayor (etc.).

Years later, it is interesting to hear that this still stays with him, and shapes his own sense of engagement with vegan politics (as a commentator, but a perpetual outsider, perhaps?).

Genevieve Jackson

Even though he kind of deserved it, what Anji did to him was a bit vile. There is this great documentary in which the food critic Giles Coren was a total twat to them. Not that he’s a great guy, but it was pretty funny to see. It’s called “Eat To Live Forever.”

Emmet Larrissy

The USA Republican party will take pretty much anyone as a candidate as long as they are as extreme as possible, So maybe Cheetah could become a real politician in that Party.

Feb 28 at 11:30am

[Other voices:] A sentimental response to vegan dating & the dog-meat issue.

#Spoilers: no happy ending to this one.A somber set of reflections on vegan romance and how true love can lead to lousy excuses for buying beef (to feed your dog).

This is Jae Costly reflecting on his own life, in contrast to what he imagines Vegan Gains is going through, in seeing that his relationship with Jasmine (although vegan) has led him to own a cooler full of animal-carcass-parts (to feed their dog).

#Spoilers: no happy ending to this one.A somber set of reflections on vegan romance and how true love can lead to lousy excuses for buying beef (to feed your dog).

This is Jae Costly reflecting on his own life, in contrast to what he imagines Vegan Gains is going through, in seeing that his relationship with Jasmine (although vegan) has led him to own a cooler full of animal-carcass-parts (to feed their dog).s

Genevieve Jackson

Horse girls are hot. I feel Jae.

Art.of.War

Great vid. My life is full of vegan contradictions: my partner is occasionally vegetarian , although the rule is that he doesn’t bring his stinking dairy and eggs to my place, and my son got a cat, and guess who is now stuck looking after it?

Art.of.War

The cat was a frost bitten stray, but oh how we “parents of fur-parents” like our rationalisations, lol.

Feb 27 at 3:01pm

#DOGGATE: An Analysis (Vegan Gains vs. Vegan Cheetah)

Y’all already know though: MP3 (“podcast verson”) attached.—–

The domestication of “companion animals”; the killing of other animals to provide them with food; the implications of the abolitionism vs. welfarism debate for “the pet industry” as a whole (in the same sense that we speak of “the meat industry” as a whole and we do not, e.g., make exceptions for second-hand leather), etc.

Y’all already know though: MP3 (“podcast verson”) attached.—–

The domestication of “companion animals”; the killing of other animals to provide them with food; the implications of the abolitionism vs. welfarism debate for “the pet industry” as a whole (in the same sense that we speak of “the meat industry” as a whole and we do not, e.g., make exceptions for second-hand leather), etc.

DOGGATE, An Analysis (Vegan Gains vs Vegan Cheetah).mp3

Tim M

It’s amazing/sad how many Vegans I talk to who think buying* second hand leather/wool is ok. Delusional.

Maddalena

i’ve been always against purchasing second-hand leather/wool but I’ve always been ok with keeping your old stuff if you can’t sell it. Personally I’ve sold every good quality non-vegan item I own but i’ve kept some because I can’t replace them all for financial reasons (like an old car with leather seats nobody wants to buy but still very useful to my family!) .

Matthias K.

do you think charles genuinely cares about this topic or uses your argument now to get views or revenge on vegangains ?

Eisel Mazard

Both. It can be both.

Feb 26 at 9:46am

“Going Public” with my girlfriend?

This was posted to Twitter with the following text:Different people playing different games by different rules, different risks, different consequences.#vegan @vegancheetah @plantbasednews

https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=en

This was posted to Twitter with the following text:Different people playing different games by different rules, different risks, different consequences.#vegan @vegancheetah @plantbasednews

https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=ens

Matthias K.

what if you censor your face instead of hers? nobody will make the connection !

ModVegan

I think it’s wise. Honestly, if people want to scour the internet for photos of your family and friends, they can do it, but I personally avoid showing photos of my family out of respect for their privacy. No everyone wants to deal w/the nonsense.

Feb 25 at 2:32am

My name comes up: Sanctuaries for Dogs to Live in the Wild?

This is a 5-second “thing”: Jasmine mentions (amidst “doggate”) that she asked me if it would be possible for some kind of sanctuary to assist a dog in living in the wild / wild-like conditions. (Really, this is a two-sentence “thing” in the midst of a long video, circa 14:39: the rest of the video discusses her struggle in resigning herself to feeding the dog meat, etc.).

This is a 5-second “thing”: Jasmine mentions (amidst “doggate”) that she asked me if it would be possible for some kind of sanctuary to assist a dog in living in the wild / wild-like conditions. (Really, this is a two-sentence “thing” in the midst of a long video, circa 14:39: the rest of the video discusses her struggle in resigning herself to feeding the dog meat, etc.).

Nick Knowles

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Matthias K.

wild-like conditions sounds great! but I still dont understand why you wanted to support Joe Vegan’s sanctuary

Eisel Mazard

Well, I wanted to invite him “on the show” to discuss the concept. I would have been respectful toward his point of view, while disagreeing with it. For quite some time, I wanted to get away from the monologue format, to actually have dialogue. But hey, Youtube is dominated by monologues.

Feb 25 at 1:01am

Peacocks and Propaganda (a surreal photo from my “normal” life)

The painting, on the left, is from an abandoned (small) bar —one that was hoping for customers from the local military, I presume? Both of these could be called images from “the park on the corner”. The peacocks climb way up high in the trees here, BTW.

Emmet Larrissy

I saw many paintings like this in the North of Ireland. The paintings in Belfast are a bit cliched but the paintings in Derry are actually quite stunning. I might do some political paintings one day, but I think about 9 out of 10 political paintings are a bit self indulgent. It is not like people can just churn out political art on demand. I can think of one famous painting that I think is relevant (perhaps unintentionally) to veganism. The Ghost of A Flea by William Blake depicts a human transformed into a flea, drinking blood from a bowl. Ironically it was painted in tempera, meaning ti could never be adopted as a symbol within the vegan movement.

Feb 24 at 8:09am

[By popular demand:] Vegan Gains Feeds His Dog Meat. [2 min. commentary]

Yes, in this case, I can actually say, “By popular demand”. s

Becca J

I just come here for Strongbad. $1 a month daaamn well spent

Alec Android

I’ll admit — this is a masterpiece, — but I still want that review of Thucydides.

Feb 20 at 4:25pm

How to Solve the Problem: Vegan Nazis on Youtube and…

…Larger Channels (Like Unnatural Vegan & Vegan Cheetah) Promoting Garbage Content (Even If They’re Criticizing It).[MP3 / podcast / audio-only-version attached.]

Here’s the first link mentioned, criticizing “A Privileged Vegan” for her involvement in false allegations of racism while real neo-nazis (within veganism) were being ignored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liwJMLoyDmI

LINKS TO SOME OF THE BOOK REVIEWS MENTIONED:

A Vegan Critique of “Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach”, by Gary Francione. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeP0g0c2sHE

Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59ckXsUcgI

Rules for Radicals: A (Negative) Book Review (on Effective Activism, etc.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QnX29V5zdY

Book Review: Half Earth by Edward O. Wilson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEEauQW4p9E

…Larger Channels (Like Unnatural Vegan & Vegan Cheetah) Promoting Garbage Content (Even If They’re Criticizing It).[MP3 / podcast / audio-only-version attached.]

Here’s the first link mentioned, criticizing “A Privileged Vegan” for her involvement in false allegations of racism while real neo-nazis (within veganism) were being ignored: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liwJMLoyDmI

LINKS TO SOME OF THE BOOK REVIEWS MENTIONED:

A Vegan Critique of “Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach”, by Gary Francione. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeP0g0c2sHE

Veganism: Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59ckXsUcgI

Rules for Radicals: A (Negative) Book Review (on Effective Activism, etc.). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QnX29V5zdY

Book Review: Half Earth by Edward O. Wilson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEEauQW4p9E

How to Solve the Problem, Vegan Nazis on Youtube and.mp3s

ModVegan

I so relate to what you’re saying here, obviously. The most popular videos on my channel are always those with negative content. The ones that take weeks to research receive far fewer views. I’ve decided to stick with more serious, informative content, but it’s not easy, obviously. If I only wanted views, needless to say, my approach would be entirely different. Amy (Vegan Transition) did a fantastic series of interviews with a mink farmer recently that got very few views (the most viewed has been seen 184 times, the least 52 times). I promoted it in a couple of videos and on my FB page, but I obviously have limited reach as well. STILL, I do have hope that things will change. If those of us who care continue to focus on real stuff, I think the tide will eventually turn and the last troll will eventually fall, bringing into being a glorious golden age of vegan YouTube, lol.

Eisel Mazard

Amy didn’t upload anything for a few months there, so I haven’t seen her new videos (yet). I gave her advice she didn’t want to take on promoting her channel —and she was (back in the day) actively promoted by both myself and Cheetah (before Cheetah’s phony descent-into-madness, when he actually talked about farm-conditions, etc.). I am aware from two different vegans-on-youtube, now, that Amy has denounced-and-defamed me behind my back —and that is a shame, because I really do want to promote/help anyone with legit content, and with legit intentions for the future of the movement. So, Amy has made some poor strategic decisions, but she could still bounce back. She’s aware of her own mental-health problems (I think she talks about them openly on youtube to some extent?) and these definitely have impeded her progress (and, yes, it isn’t just me: other youtubers have discussed with me their experience in trying to cooperate with her, etc.). These are all issues I’ve discussed in general / in the abstract on my channel —and they’re issues parallel to things I’ve seen in both The Green Party and in Buddhist organizations, etc. etc.

Nick Knowles

Thoughts on Vegan Gains Dog video?

Eisel Mazard

By popular demand: I just posted a commentary under two minutes long on this very subject.

Feb 20 at 3:26am

[3 min.] Vegan Neo-Nazi Explains, He’s “Not a Holocaust Denier”.

“No Comment”… well, ALMOST “no comment”. ;-)More about vegan neo-nazis (who, like, totally deny that they’re neo-nazis):

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=nazi

More about vegan racists who, like, totally insist they’re not racist:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=racist

“No Comment”… well, ALMOST “no comment”. ;-)More about vegan neo-nazis (who, like, totally deny that they’re neo-nazis):

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=nazi

More about vegan racists who, like, totally insist they’re not racist:

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=racist

Allaunira

Terrifying. Ug. This upsets me. The reason genocide continues to happen is because after a while, people begin to question whether it COULD or DID happen, because it really is an atrocious and shocking thing that I feel people don’t want to believe each other capable of. However, the only way to prevent it happening is to acknowledge that it DID happen – in Armenia, in Germany, in Rwanda, in Syria…and many other places. People need to be educated on how it happens, why it happens in secret a lot of the time, how it could be covered up later, and how to prevent yourself from falling victim to the people who try to make it anything less than what it is – an intent to exterminate a group of people with the same race, ethnicity, religion or other characteristic.

ModVegan

Some of my friends who grew up in Israel complained that the public school system there over-emphasized the holocaust. But I get it now. I always think “who the f$&@ would deny any of this?” Well, now I know. It’s so freaking insane. As a child, there was an elder in my church who had been part of the US army division that liberated Dachau. He still had PTSD decades later, and despite all the awful things he saw in war, that was the most horrible part. I see red when I hear these vicious, pathetic idiots spew such trash.

Mike On Raw

One day while on the phone with my brother, he mentioned doing research into perpetual machines to provide energy. He told me all sorts of information about how these machines could give us free energy but the oil and gas companies were hiding the technology. I mentioned that science has already proven that there is no such thing as perpetual machines. He didn’t appreciate that comment. I hate to think it but I wouldn’t be shocked if he also felt that the nazi’s were not as bad as the “jews” would have us believe. The type of thinking that allows such belief systems is so foreign to me that I can not even fully comprehend it.

Feb 17 at 1:10am

Latest Vegan Nazi: Should We Comment on Videos that are Beneath Contempt?

(1) The background here is a pair of photos that I’ve posted to twitter: two images taken through the window of a bus, making its way from Kunming back to Dehong.https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=en

(2) Many people have encouraged me to make a response video to “the Vegetable Police”, a channel that now has a 22:40 long video, opening with several minutes disclaiming that he does not consider himself an anti-semite, nor an apologist for mass-murder by Hitler… but what follows after that is an astounding tour-de-force demonstration of how stupidity in isolated individuals comes to be reenforced by the mix of misinformation and group-thought-encouragement found on the internet. This is an extremely stupid video: the man delivering the monologue does repeat various shards/framents of neo-nazi/holocaust-denaial literature, without believing in the over-arching thesis of that literature, and, generally, he indulges in idle speculation of a grossly offensive kind (e.g., he takes the premise that the Jews control the world through a giant conspiracy as a bedroch truth, and then proceeds to offer speculative justifications for Hitler’s actions, etc.), while disclaiming that he doesn’t know the truth.

Circa 12:30 he says, “These concentration-camps, now, I’m going to say some good things about these camps…” —and, yes, he goes on to extoll the high quality of living that he believed people had within the camps.

Circa 15:45 he says that Hitler “went about it in a bad way”, but “his intentions weren’t so bad”, i.e., in direct reference to the holocaust itself.

So, the question becomes, what should I (or anyone with a youtube channel) do in these circumstances? You may have caught my earlier image (used in reference to Durianrider) of being reluctant to get into the boxing-ring with a one-armed man: there’s no possibility of a debate here, but, yes, there’s an open question of what any of us can do when we’re faced with the peculiar form of self-righteous ignorance we encounter on the internet —when we encounter people who started off stupid and ignorant, but then find enough reenforcement from a peer-group (found online) to gain this sort of self-confidence in their crackpot theories.

Can anything positive really come out of addressing a video of this kind? I admit, readily, that nothing positive comes from ignoring it.

(1) The background here is a pair of photos that I’ve posted to twitter: two images taken through the window of a bus, making its way from Kunming back to Dehong.https://twitter.com/eiselmazard?lang=en

(2) Many people have encouraged me to make a response video to “the Vegetable Police”, a channel that now has a 22:40 long video, opening with several minutes disclaiming that he does not consider himself an anti-semite, nor an apologist for mass-murder by Hitler… but what follows after that is an astounding tour-de-force demonstration of how stupidity in isolated individuals comes to be reenforced by the mix of misinformation and group-thought-encouragement found on the internet. This is an extremely stupid video: the man delivering the monologue does repeat various shards/framents of neo-nazi/holocaust-denaial literature, without believing in the over-arching thesis of that literature, and, generally, he indulges in idle speculation of a grossly offensive kind (e.g., he takes the premise that the Jews control the world through a giant conspiracy as a bedroch truth, and then proceeds to offer speculative justifications for Hitler’s actions, etc.), while disclaiming that he doesn’t know the truth.

Circa 12:30 he says, “These concentration-camps, now, I’m going to say some good things about these camps…” —and, yes, he goes on to extoll the high quality of living that he believed people had within the camps.

Circa 15:45 he says that Hitler “went about it in a bad way”, but “his intentions weren’t so bad”, i.e., in direct reference to the holocaust itself.

So, the question becomes, what should I (or anyone with a youtube channel) do in these circumstances? You may have caught my earlier image (used in reference to Durianrider) of being reluctant to get into the boxing-ring with a one-armed man: there’s no possibility of a debate here, but, yes, there’s an open question of what any of us can do when we’re faced with the peculiar form of self-righteous ignorance we encounter on the internet —when we encounter people who started off stupid and ignorant, but then find enough reenforcement from a peer-group (found online) to gain this sort of self-confidence in their crackpot theories.

Can anything positive really come out of addressing a video of this kind? I admit, readily, that nothing positive comes from ignoring it. s

NotKurtis

Okay can we not use “VP” to discuss this guy? We’ve already gone for UV, DR, VC, and this guy is the ugliest and dumbest combination of all those three (and one third the average speaking speed) so I don’t think his content is respectable enough to be granted an acronym alongside these other demimonde asshats.

Art.of.War

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Eisel Mazard

Hey, Art of War, I *did* read your earlier comment, but didn’t have much to say in reply (I read everything here, within Patreon). I often mention the holocaust in Greece, because it is “another side of the story” that most people have never thought about —North Africa, also, is a fascinating piece of the puzzle that rarely enters people’s minds. My (new) gf was talking to me about the history of Judaism a few days ago and I gave quite a bit of emphasis to the oft-overlooked importance of Greece —both ancient and modern. To my knowledge, the extermination of Jews on many of the islands of Greece (e.g., Isle of Rhodes, etc.) was more-or-less 100% —so some of the most ancient and continuous Jewish communities (with their own dialects/languages, for over a thousand years) disappeared, and, I suppose, their story is more-forgotten than those of Germany or Russia, as there were so few survivors.

Feb 13 at 10:32am

Animals that CANNOT survive in the wild: doomed to extinction & museum exhibits?

Only four and half minutes long… and the title is a pretty good synopsis already. s

Rewi Stirrat

Yeah as you mention there are already cases of this, I also think I mentioned the Kaimanawa Horses to you before which is another example. TBH I’m more in agreement with Francione on this one: as appalling as it may be for a vegan to say this, I couldn’t give a shit if Chihuahuas die out of existence. But yeah the museums answer is probably the reasonable solution.

Bianca Gibson

I see importance in preserving wild animals that can’t survive due to humans destroying their habitat, but I don’t see the point in preserving breeds of animals that have been mutilated by selective breeding to the point that they can’t survive in the wild. For example, with all the suffering many English bulldogs deal with due to the selective breeding I think they should die out for their own sake.

Feb 13 at 9:58am

You can’t read this stuff in a book: “recommended reading” is hard to do.

Spoilers: Thucydides gets a shout-out. s

Genevieve Jackson

This is good, because I no longer have the attention span for books in general. I also end up reading all night when I love a book, and end up feeling like a zombie. Or depressed I don’t live in the book’s world. Nonfiction doesn’t have that impact.

NotKurtis

MC Eisel, DJ Thucydides-Tech on the beat

Feb 13 at 5:16am

Plant Eats is willing to work it out.

That’s cool: got a few short messages back from Plant Eats, saying he’s cool with it. And, yeah, I might as well include the bouquets of flowers (alluded to in a recent video) in the same screen-shot.Anyway: I count that as a win.

I keep saying we’ve got to act like we’re working toward a better future for the movement, etc., and small examples of rational-and-cooperative behavior (like this) are worth pointing out & remembering.

That’s cool: got a few short messages back from Plant Eats, saying he’s cool with it. And, yeah, I might as well include the bouquets of flowers (alluded to in a recent video) in the same screen-shot.Anyway: I count that as a win.

I keep saying we’ve got to act like we’re working toward a better future for the movement, etc., and small examples of rational-and-cooperative behavior (like this) are worth pointing out & remembering.s

Feb 12 at 6:08am

Not everyone is an idiot (talking to Tofu Cube & talking at Plant Eats)

Two related and yet unreated “items” here.(1) This morning, I spoke with Tofu Cube for about an hour (I think). She said she was recording this (from a live-stream on Younow) so I assume it is possible to see that video now… somewhere… but I really don’t know where (within Youtube?). The conversation was not entirely about veganism: we talked about her aspirations to do anthropological research on North Korean refugees, my own past research on human trafficking… “misc.” intellectual material (she’s planning to study Cultural Anthropology, whereas I’m planning to avoid it).

(2) I sent a message to “Plant Eats” who is trying to fill the gap in “vegan news” left by the collapse of some other channels (and he is probably succeeding at this point). Although I find his videos boring (no shade) and, thus, don’t watch his channel, I really do not understand why the guy has shown so much hostility toward me, in contrast to (e.g.) the level-headed way in which he criticizes Fully Raw Kristina and others. So, both publicly and privately, I sent him this message:

I know both Richard and Charles (and have for years now), you know I’m also from Toronto originally, and I’ll be involved in vegan activism in Canada long-term… you also (probably?) know that I often promote smaller channels on my own channel (though Skype conversations, etc.) … I just do not understand why (in contrast to your substantive critique of other channels) you’d approach mine by claiming that I don’t read books. It’s a stupid insult that just doesn’t make sense: type “book review” into the search bar on my channel, and you can see quite a few substantive videos of that kind (including reviews of academic literature on vegan activism) whereas your own channel has no such content. I wouldn’t insult you with that: almost zero vegan channels have videos about books, but I have many. I also have videos related to my research in universities, linked to humanitarian work, linked to language-research, etc. —all activities linked to book-reading. I’m really just asking you to consider how you’d behave if you were actually concerned with the future of the movement, “saving the planet”, etc. Your conduct in this doesn’t make sense: I completely understand why you’d say (e.g.) that Freelee isn’t qualified to give diet advice (I’ve made several videos pressing the same point) —but there seems to be no reason for the hostility you show toward my channel, in contrast to the manner of your critique of Fully Raw Kristina, etc. I say this not because I’m hungry for praise: I’d appreciate it if there was intelligent critique/dissent/debate within veganism, but your video quoting me out of context (that I don’t read books?) is none of these things. And, also, as I said above, I’ve proven on so many occasions that I reach out to smaller channels and promote them, whenever it is possible to do so (including some channels that had fewer-than-10 viewers when I discovered them). I really try to pursue positive cooperation with anyone who is sincerely working toward something positive in the movement. Is that you?

You guys have heard me say this in other contexts, but I really would be delighted if someone were criticizing what I had to say on any of the substantive issues raised on my channel (yeah, fine, we can debate whether or not Nina-and-Randa are attractive, but there’s a long list of much more substantive issues than that… even within that same video that mentions Nina-and-Randa, there are more substantive issues than that). I do not pretend, e.g., that I have a “perfect” solution to vivisection, and I do not think that anyone has the perfect solution to the never-ending question of what the future of the vegan movement should be —but it never seems to be in any of these areas that I’m criticized.

Two related and yet unreated “items” here.(1) This morning, I spoke with Tofu Cube for about an hour (I think). She said she was recording this (from a live-stream on Younow) so I assume it is possible to see that video now… somewhere… but I really don’t know where (within Youtube?). The conversation was not entirely about veganism: we talked about her aspirations to do anthropological research on North Korean refugees, my own past research on human trafficking… “misc.” intellectual material (she’s planning to study Cultural Anthropology, whereas I’m planning to avoid it).

(2) I sent a message to “Plant Eats” who is trying to fill the gap in “vegan news” left by the collapse of some other channels (and he is probably succeeding at this point). Although I find his videos boring (no shade) and, thus, don’t watch his channel, I really do not understand why the guy has shown so much hostility toward me, in contrast to (e.g.) the level-headed way in which he criticizes Fully Raw Kristina and others. So, both publicly and privately, I sent him this message:

I know both Richard and Charles (and have for years now), you know I’m also from Toronto originally, and I’ll be involved in vegan activism in Canada long-term… you also (probably?) know that I often promote smaller channels on my own channel (though Skype conversations, etc.) … I just do not understand why (in contrast to your substantive critique of other channels) you’d approach mine by claiming that I don’t read books. It’s a stupid insult that just doesn’t make sense: type “book review” into the search bar on my channel, and you can see quite a few substantive videos of that kind (including reviews of academic literature on vegan activism) whereas your own channel has no such content. I wouldn’t insult you with that: almost zero vegan channels have videos about books, but I have many. I also have videos related to my research in universities, linked to humanitarian work, linked to language-research, etc. —all activities linked to book-reading. I’m really just asking you to consider how you’d behave if you were actually concerned with the future of the movement, “saving the planet”, etc. Your conduct in this doesn’t make sense: I completely understand why you’d say (e.g.) that Freelee isn’t qualified to give diet advice (I’ve made several videos pressing the same point) —but there seems to be no reason for the hostility you show toward my channel, in contrast to the manner of your critique of Fully Raw Kristina, etc. I say this not because I’m hungry for praise: I’d appreciate it if there was intelligent critique/dissent/debate within veganism, but your video quoting me out of context (that I don’t read books?) is none of these things. And, also, as I said above, I’ve proven on so many occasions that I reach out to smaller channels and promote them, whenever it is possible to do so (including some channels that had fewer-than-10 viewers when I discovered them). I really try to pursue positive cooperation with anyone who is sincerely working toward something positive in the movement. Is that you?

You guys have heard me say this in other contexts, but I really would be delighted if someone were criticizing what I had to say on any of the substantive issues raised on my channel (yeah, fine, we can debate whether or not Nina-and-Randa are attractive, but there’s a long list of much more substantive issues than that… even within that same video that mentions Nina-and-Randa, there are more substantive issues than that). I do not pretend, e.g., that I have a “perfect” solution to vivisection, and I do not think that anyone has the perfect solution to the never-ending question of what the future of the vegan movement should be —but it never seems to be in any of these areas that I’m criticized.

Alec Android

Unrelated to this video: In a previous video you said you think it’s wrong to even feed adopted chickens, and I assume you would extend this to any animal unless it’s for conservation for a species. This is interesting because it’s the opposite of what Francione says: that we are morally obliged to adopt and feed any animal bred by humans that cannot survive in the wild. I just want a few clarifications on your belief on this. I thought you said in a previous video that trying to mimic the natural environment as closely as possible would be the best compromise, but this leads to the question of whether feeding them or letting them starve to death is more natural, since both are unlikely in the wild, where they would have infinite range to hunt for food until killed by a predator or dying of sickness/age. Do you simply mean that feeding the animals is worse than releasing them in the largest surviving south-east asian rainforest, or do you mean that it would be better to starve a captive animal to death, release into the suburbs or local habitat illegally, or otherwise terminate its life than to continue feeding it? I think Francione is wrong to say it’s a moral obligation to adopt animals, but I’m not yet convinced the opposite is true: that it is wrong to adopt them AND wrong to feed them once they are adopted/captive.

Eisel Mazard

(1) I think death is a part of life, (2) I think that “rescuing” an animal is not a justification for domesticating an animal, and (3) the fact that an animal might live for only 5 years in the wild (vs. 10 in somebody’s living room) is not a valid reason to confine the animal to someone’s living room. (4) The reality of the world we’re living in is that SOME animals will be adopted, SOME will be exterminated, and an extremely small number will be “rewilded”. People make these decisions in a completely idiosyncratic way: a three-legged bear will not be treated with the same “rights” as a three-legged lion or dog —and a bear-cub is not treated in the same way as an adult bear (due to “cuteness”), etc. (5) What Francione and I have in common is that we both talk about the end-point of the process being the elimination of the culture of human being keeping dogs as pets (or anything else as pets); but Francione’s method doesn’t make sense, as he wants to encourage people to adopt and raise animals as pets —but prevent them from breeding. Adoption is just one stage of the pet industry, and isn’t going to challenge the culture of pet-ownership in any way (on the contrary, what you see even within veganism is military pro-pet-ownership sentiment, and the building of elaborate ideologies around care-for-pets as the paradigm of what human-animal interactions should be). Pet-sanctuaries and farm-animal sanctuaries, also, are really just helping the industries concerned (they’re a further stage of the same industry) and do not challenge the culture of pet-production or meat-production in any way. (6) If you want people to quit smoking, you’re going to create social stigma against smoking: the reason why many vegans respond so negatively to my wildlife-management-paradigm is that it creates a stigma against pet ownership. That is not accidental: vegans need to stop glorifying pet-ownership as a morally positive thing —it is at best a contradictory and morally odious echo of the old culture, that does not make any sense at all in the 21st century (nor the 22nd). Eventually, people have to quit smoking; eventually people have to quit having pets. This is, already, deeply shocking and offensive to the majority of vegans today (who want to hold up pet-ownership as a moral paradigm, and who glorify the supposed psychological benefits of having companion animals, etc.). (7) Re: “but I’m not yet convinced the opposite is true: that it is wrong to adopt them AND wrong to feed them once they are adopted/captive”. Is it better for a rabbit to have the experience of digging in the earth, running around in a field-and-forest, finding its own food, etc., is it better for it to live for the rest of its life on a concrete floor, waiting to die?

Genevieve Jackson

I used to into rescue. I used to agree with that whole system. Now I look back and regret ever trapping feral cats to sterilize them. In some ways hunters shooting them is kinder. They usually do poorly after surgery. I used to have bunnies and got them all fixed so I could have several and they could play together. I look back and realize that is was toy making of sorts. Today I visited a local shelter and talked to one of the rabbit ladies. I told her about feral colonies I saw growing up and she seemed so offended that I would even bring that up. I had taken a sick bunny from a colony as child, and it died that night. She didn’t like the fact that the others were thriving with extensive burrows. Like how dare they revert? I told her the colony holes were filled in when I went back later, they were all gone. She didn’t know about the colony and then suddenly recalled they had all been trapped( total bullshit). I told her from what I could tell it looked like extermination. Maybe they would all still be there thriving if people wouldn’t have felt sorry for them, and raised a fuss. Control feral populations if need be, but don’t try to make them into pets again. Maybe that’s not very “vegan” of me, but making a bunny live in an xpen fixed and lazy so you can cuddle it is disgusting. This woman was cuddling her bunny while we talked. Rabbits hate to be held, they actually go into a hypnotized state so they won’t feel anything from a predator ‘s attack. When I was in the mountains once and there was a rabbit rescue that was more like a zoo. They were all sterilized which was something that wasn’t the greatest but allowed them to live in a peaceful controlled colony with burrows, grass and trees. That should be the model for any “rescue.”

Eisel Mazard

As you say: “Control feral populations if need be, but don’t try to make them into pets again.” I include the word “management” in “wildlife management for a reason”. The people who oppose me are in the surreal position of literally justifying castration and imprisonment as “animal liberation”. I would say that my ideology is more coherent —and more easily and openly admits its own shortcomings, too.

Feb 11 at 11:41am

Veganism vs. Vegetarianism in my own life / subjective experience.

Some autiobiographical and political reflections (only 8 minutes long).MP3/podcast version attached.

Veganism vs Vegetarianism in my own life, subjective experience.mp3s

Vegan AF

Sorry about ruining your video, I like making people laugh though!

Feb 11 at 6:02am

Oh, believe me, I’m still determined to have youtube comments “off”…

This kind of interaction (via Youtube comments) is not worth 5 minutes of my time, and it isn’t worth 5 seconds of my time……and viewers are self-righteous as hell if they post a comment like this and you DON’T reply (as if you’re gonna read and respond to every comment on youtube, even with as few as 1000 viewers per video).

And, the truth is, I can give the same replies (mutatis mutandis) AGAIN AND AGAIN –the message will never get through to the audience. Most of what I have to say about these people (Unnatural Vegan, Durianrider, etc.) I’ve already said in videos before, and I NEVER want to say again.

Turning off comments, on youtube, really will enable me to “move on”, and stop addressing the same stupid questions/objections, over and over again.

(BTW, new questions/topics from patreon subscribers are still welcome, for the same reason!)

I really, sincerely hope that I never (never!) make another video even mentioning (1) Jeff Nelson, (2) Unnatural Vegan, or (3) Durianrider. Unlikely, but I can dream, right?

I just wrote on Twitter that I’d rather hide under Sorsha Morava’s bed (with her bf) than deal with any of these three (Vegsource, Unnatural Vegan, or Durianrider) again.

This kind of interaction (via Youtube comments) is not worth 5 minutes of my time, and it isn’t worth 5 seconds of my time……and viewers are self-righteous as hell if they post a comment like this and you DON’T reply (as if you’re gonna read and respond to every comment on youtube, even with as few as 1000 viewers per video).

And, the truth is, I can give the same replies (mutatis mutandis) AGAIN AND AGAIN –the message will never get through to the audience. Most of what I have to say about these people (Unnatural Vegan, Durianrider, etc.) I’ve already said in videos before, and I NEVER want to say again.

Turning off comments, on youtube, really will enable me to “move on”, and stop addressing the same stupid questions/objections, over and over again.

(BTW, new questions/topics from patreon subscribers are still welcome, for the same reason!)

I really, sincerely hope that I never (never!) make another video even mentioning (1) Jeff Nelson, (2) Unnatural Vegan, or (3) Durianrider. Unlikely, but I can dream, right?

I just wrote on Twitter that I’d rather hide under Sorsha Morava’s bed (with her bf) than deal with any of these three (Vegsource, Unnatural Vegan, or Durianrider) again. s

Marcus

I get it now eisel. Your responding to that comment so you can post it here. Thats a lot of time and effort for someone’s reasonable opinion.

Eisel Mazard

Marcus: these are issues I care about PASSIONATELY, on ethical and ecological grounds. I don’t know how you could have possibly failed to notice that. I’ve uploaded many hundreds of videos on these topics, etc. If I thought they were not worth discussing / worth debating, neither one of us would be in this scenario (in Patreon).

Matthias K.

when she said that you were known for this “type of behaviour” from buddhist groups… my first thought was – as an atheist, do I really care what some buddhists have to say about you as a (now ex-) buddhist? of course there would’ve been a conflict. and what if we turn it around? many vegans hate her for being “anti-vegan” etc. (for stupid reasons… there are good reasons, too I guess) and it would be so easy to find comments about her being a horrible person etc. … she of all people should know x)

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, the whole thing was just insincere and spurious: we can debate Buddhism (and the provocative role of some of my own research: seriously, some people hate me because I wrote an article proving that the Buddha was not white-skinned… there are people who seriously believe that the Buddha had blonde hair (!) who find that article offensive!) but we were supposedly debating the domestication of animals. I would actually be eager to discuss any of the issues in Buddhism (or Buddhist studies) but that isn’t what she wanted to do: she wanted to bludgeon me with the assertion that I’m a bad guy (because somebody on some anonymous forum says so) because of debates within Buddhism she can’t possibly understand (no offense, but she can’t) …and the audience responds to this as if it is an appropriate (and salient) response to my taking a hard stand that castrating a dog is “not okay” —and, specifically, I argued that RESCUING an animal doesn’t justify castrating them (I find “animal rescue” to be more morally complex than most vegans want to admit, and so too “animal shelter” is not as simple as people would like to pretend, etc.). Any of those issues could have been great debates, but U.V. debated NONE of them. The vast majority of the audience seems to be blind to the extent to which she dropped the ball —and, not boasting, my channel did continue to have substantive discussions of those issues without her!

Feb 11 at 4:47am

War. Is veganism really an extension of “the peace movement”?

Here are the earlier discussions with the same young woman (Adriane Gilbert) from last year:Two Vegan Activists from Two Generations. [1hr+]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0YwTARMCXk

Democracy: the Opportunity for Non-Violent Change (vegan / vegans / veganism).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyJmL-02aQ

Ecology: Pragmatism & Local Activism (vegan / vegans / veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUR0MYwAL3Q

Here are the earlier discussions with the same young woman (Adriane Gilbert) from last year:Two Vegan Activists from Two Generations. [1hr+]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0YwTARMCXk

Democracy: the Opportunity for Non-Violent Change (vegan / vegans / veganism).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwyJmL-02aQ

Ecology: Pragmatism & Local Activism (vegan / vegans / veganism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUR0MYwAL3Q

Feb 10 at 4:20pm

[Video:] The People vs. Durianrider: The Deeper Significance of the Case.s

Art.of.War

This vid really resonated w me; thanks. I often think about the immense potential power of social media, if ppl could act with more emotional intelligence. I’m reading an interesting book (“Mindsight” by Daniel Siegel – he has given some good TEDTalks) that promotes the idea of teaching children (and us all, lol) to have a clear view of the workings of the vast churning ocean of the mind, and thereby to hone their connection and insight into others.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in, AoW. I recorded this video VERY SPONTANEOUSLY (I walked in the door, sat down, and started recording without setting up the lights properly, and with really zero forethought) and then I was surprised when I watch it, afterward, at how much ground I had covered.

Matthias K.

it’s weird how people behave on the internet… just because they can be anonymous. you are a real person and you are using your real name, so why not treat you the way that they would treat you in real life? I think many trolls are simply projecting their own anonymity and safety onto you

Eisel Mazard

I often feel, also, that the over-the-top behavior is an attempt to compensate for just not-having-much-to-say.

Feb 10 at 1:11pm

[Podcast, 33 min.] The People vs. Durianrider: The Deeper Significance of the Case.

The_People_vs._Durianrider_The_Deeper_Significance_of_the_Case.mp3

This podcast/MP3 does have a video version (uploading now)… usually, I have the MP3 as an attachment to the same post as the video, but given that it will still take several hours for the video to be uploaded, I thought I might upload the podcast version first, in this case, for your convenience.The full video of this monologue (again, 33 min. long) should be on Youtube within the next few hours.

This podcast/MP3 does have a video version (uploading now)… usually, I have the MP3 as an attachment to the same post as the video, but given that it will still take several hours for the video to be uploaded, I thought I might upload the podcast version first, in this case, for your convenience.The full video of this monologue (again, 33 min. long) should be on Youtube within the next few hours.s

Feb 9 at 11:45am

Political Philosophy: Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich.

I’m very pleased that my dispute with Durianrider isn’t the only thing I’ve uploaded today: now, for something completely different…

Political Philosophy, Deschooling Society by Ivan Illich.mp3s

Art.of.War

I’d be interested to know of any other books you’re thinking of reviewing (vegan or otherwise), as I enjoy reading along. However, I know that you may be too busy to think about book reviews in the next while, lol, so it’s understandable if you won’t be reading as much.

Eisel Mazard

Overall, TBH, I was disappointed by “the outcomes” of the book review series of videos (on youtube). Seems to reach a much smaller audience than any other genre I trade in –you can contrast the enormous audience for my videos on ASOIAF/Game-of-Thrones.

Grant TB

Thanks to this review I got 99 problems but Illich ain’t one.

Eisel Mazard

I actually taught Illich’s philosophy to my university students, here in China: been doing a series of lectures on philosophy of education.

Feb 9 at 9:26am

Commentary: An Exception to the Rules (But aTemporary One!)

Due to the inherently dramatic nature of the four-minute video (and because I NEVER WANT TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN) I did actually leave the comments open below the clip of me informing D.R. that the case is real and ongoing.Presumably, this will allow for some venting from all sides, before I disable the comments once again.

This is not a change in policy but I really do hope this puts the issue to rest.

I really do not know if I can hope to win this case anymore (a few months ago, I really did think we would win… now… yeah, I could easily imagine that it will end in an inconclusive and dissatisfactory manner)… but it’s just absurd that “the trial” has been proving that the charges themselves were filed.

Oh, yeah, and you guys might notice that Vegan Cheetah posted that comment, above. As I’ve said many times, he ALWAYS knew that the case was real (but intentionally lied to manufacture “drama” out of it, etc. etc.).

Due to the inherently dramatic nature of the four-minute video (and because I NEVER WANT TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION AGAIN) I did actually leave the comments open below the clip of me informing D.R. that the case is real and ongoing.Presumably, this will allow for some venting from all sides, before I disable the comments once again.

This is not a change in policy but I really do hope this puts the issue to rest.

I really do not know if I can hope to win this case anymore (a few months ago, I really did think we would win… now… yeah, I could easily imagine that it will end in an inconclusive and dissatisfactory manner)… but it’s just absurd that “the trial” has been proving that the charges themselves were filed.

Oh, yeah, and you guys might notice that Vegan Cheetah posted that comment, above. As I’ve said many times, he ALWAYS knew that the case was real (but intentionally lied to manufacture “drama” out of it, etc. etc.).

NotKurtis

I still remember when VC had DR on his stream, and it marked the beginning of VC’s descent into a deep and demented stupidity. Now you had DR on yours. In that relatively short time VC has hit rock bottom and, in a convoluted and probably mostly fictional way, started his climb back up to basic human decency (homie don’t have a jet pack so the climb could take a while)… why the fuck do I still imagine that VC is at the center of all this?

NotKurtis

Oh yeah… cause he put himself at the center

Marcus

Now we’re talking Eisel. How much fun is this? Keep the comments open long enough and we might even get some hateful comments from DR himself.

Eisel Mazard

Well, at least you’re having fun, Marcus. I’m not.

Feb 9 at 8:57am

FFS, Jeff! (Lawsuit Hypocrite Jeff Nelson still supports Durianrider)

Apparently, it was in response to my saying this (on a live-stream) that Durianrider decided to try to talk to me (a four-minute video you may have already seen).

Emmet Larrissy

Jeff loves taking people to Court,I am convinced this is all a big game though.

Eisel Mazard

People have told me you can read the legal documents online (they’re posted publicly)… I think I’ve spoken with one person who read them all, as he quoted details, etc.

Feb 9 at 8:56am

Talking to Durianrider directly: the criminal charges are real, the court case is real.

I keep telling people that I’m not a nice guy… but seriously… given what I’ve been through with this guy (and the damage he’s done to veganism as a movement, not to mention myself, personally, and so many other people) how much nicer could I possibly have been in this scenario?s

Vegan. M

Can the papers be posted here on Patreon? I’d like to read them.

Eisel Mazard

I should have new/fresh paperwork later this month (as mentioned, the next hearing is coming up, etc.) but the papers will be entirely in Thai, just like the one shown on-screen here.

MJB

I think the grossest part of this whole situation is that the people taking his side don’t just think “oh Eisel is going too far.” Durianrider didn’t take that route. He took the route of “let’s tell everyone he is lying and scamming them for money.” It worked better than it should have. Some people actually were convinced you never brought a case against him in any capacity, even though that’s a falsifiable claim, that you continue to debunk. Durianrider supporters seem to believe only what he says, not information, as fact. Then again, I feel as though the number of supporters he has, has definitely decreased as of late. I hope this vindicates you in the mind of at least some people who believed his lies, but at the same time, if they didn’t get it by now, who know?

Eisel Mazard

Sadly, we are talking about a segment of the public that (1) does not understand the concept, “falsifiable claim”, in any language, and, (2) they never will. What they wanted was to believe in a villain: the irony is that Durianrider’s own behavior has reached cartoonish levels of villainy, but they wanted to cast me in that role instead. Five years from now, what will they remember? And in what state will the vegan movement be? AND WILL I BE ABLE TO GET A JOB WITH ALL THIS SHIT ON THE INTERNET ABOUT ME????

Feb 9 at 5:49am

[Patreon Q&A] 3rd Wave Feminism, Trump, Neoliberalism, Jordan B. Peterson.

Reply to a list of questions from a Patreon supporter; MP3 version attached, for those who prefer podcasts (nothing much visual in this one).

3rd Wave Feminism, Trump, Neoliberalism, Jordan B. Peterson.mp3s

Emmet Larrissy

I agreed with the comment about post-modernism in that it cannot be treated as a single entity.But I would say that various post-modernist authors are increasingly influential in the Trump/Putin era. If journalists want to understand Putin’s “information war” then they really should read Baudrillard because that is where the idea came from (for example). I think it will become more influential in a virtual information age. But I cannot see it as a big priority within veganism at this point in time.

Lara D.

Eisel, in light of your comment on people wasting time studying useless material, would you consider compiling a list of books that would actually be worth reading?

Eisel Mazard

I have replied to this a long time ago… I should probably make a specialized video on this very issue: the philosophy/difficulty of “recommended reading” itself.

Feb 9 at 2:02am

[Audio/MP3 attached] Podcast versions of the new Tofu Goddess videos.

Six MP3s (of varying length) attached. Although a lot of my material is just a monologue, and not much different as a podcast… I do think, in this case, the material is better-to-enjoy as a video (so you can see the laughter, facial expression, hand-gestures, etc. etc.).

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 1 Everyone is either a zero or a ten.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 4 Time and money, why I’m doing less and less on youtube.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 2 FAKE VEGAN BOYFRIENDS, brutal truths about love, dating, romance.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 3 True Love and Self-Sacrifice.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 5 If I were to start my own Vegan organization, what would it be.mp3

à-bas-le-ciel vs Tofu Goddess 6 Vegans around the boardroom table, activism and democracy IRL.mp3

Grant TB

Thanks, but to hear each mp3 I would have to manually dl it to iCloud, wait for it to upload, and then dl it again to my phone. A partial solution would be to post a single mp3 combining all the above audio. All of the above steps would be automated if the audio was syndicated as a podcast with rss. This is easy and I think it can be done free of cost. Maybe I could help, and I would be willing to figure it out. Might that be OK?

Eisel Mazard

Interesting… this is a technical issue I’m not aware of… I thought this was equally as efficient as RSS, but if there’s a real advantage to using RSS, yeah, I’m willing to listen.

Emmet Larrissy

Tofu Goddess does not have a “face for radio.”

Eisel Mazard

And she knows it.

Feb 9 at 1:38am

Dreams and Dreaming: Least Romantic Love-Letter Ever.

On lucid dreaming (a down-to-earth analysis of dreaming (and the absence of dreams) in my own life).I think this one will remain “patreon-exclusive”… but I know that several people in Patreon (and on Younow) have asked me to talk about this issue (during the last year) so I’m sharing the video here.

On lucid dreaming (a down-to-earth analysis of dreaming (and the absence of dreams) in my own life).I think this one will remain “patreon-exclusive”… but I know that several people in Patreon (and on Younow) have asked me to talk about this issue (during the last year) so I’m sharing the video here. of 6

Blair Gilbreath

I’ve never lucid dreamed, and in large part I think that’s because I don’t actually want to. I like taking my conscious intentions out of the picture and seeing where the narrative of a dream takes me; for me, it’s a rare chance to be egoless.

Jordan D

when i was young i used to lucid dream but now i dont.

Feb 8 at 2:37pm

Lawsuits are cool again, vegans deleting their youtube channels, etc.

Uh… I assume this is gonna be patreon-exclusive… unless there’s some compelling reason to go public with it?This is MERELY 8 minutes of your life that you’re never gonna get back, BTW.

QUOTE from the comments section: “Youtube’s problem is that they’re having their cake and eating it, too: the “community guidelines” really are a sort of smokescreen, obscuring the legal and procedural reality of how youtube works.”

Uh… I assume this is gonna be patreon-exclusive… unless there’s some compelling reason to go public with it?This is MERELY 8 minutes of your life that you’re never gonna get back, BTW.

QUOTE from the comments section: “Youtube’s problem is that they’re having their cake and eating it, too: the “community guidelines” really are a sort of smokescreen, obscuring the legal and procedural reality of how youtube works.”3

John Henderson

Youtube drama aside and sorry to go off topic. I did send this message to Eisel a couple weeks ago and it was relevent at the time, but got no response. So i’d be interested in other Patreon supporters thoughts, please? So in my 1 1/2 years being vegan, I’ve noticed a trend in ‘online vegan activism’. Which I don’t really know how I feel about. A particular animal rights issue is raised in the media usually following animal abuse footage being leaked and then companies that are involved with sponsorship, get targeted by animal rights activists on social media. Ill give you a recent example. In NZ we still have rodeo’s and they are pretty barbaric, every year fresh footage gets leaked of animals suffering at rodeo events. Legitimate avenues to stop rodeo have been explored by some awesome vegans in political positions. The NZ government has been lobbied to ban rodeo, extremely well signed petitions presented to the government. But the minister involved with making decisions around rodeo, Is basically mates with the people who run the rodeo…so we’re kinda screwed currently. So now it seems to more about raising public awareness, relentlessly protesting rodeo events & applying pressure to companies that sponsor events. Today in my facebook feed, there was a ‘call to arms’ to from a popular animal rights group to basically spam companies facebook pages who sponser the rodeo . & also, email petitions that also bulk send out messages to multiple companies simultaneously, all with a few clicks. ie. http://safe.org.nz/ecards/urge-sponsors-drop-cruel-rodeo What do you all think about this approach? Cos something doesn’t sit right with me, but what else can be done. when politically your avenues have been exhausted?

Eisel Mazard

Maybe someone else has positive advice to give you on this: I don’t. If you’re living in a culture where 99% of people see no problem in torturing cows to death on a daily basis, the argument against the rodeo, specifically, is going to be difficult / self-defeating. I think it’s probably easier to convince a random person that they can live without leather shoes than it is to convince a rodeo fan that the rodeo is immoral… but, hey, the success of the Blackfish project in banning whale-performances is a counter-example (to some extent), etc. etc.

Emmet Larrissy

youtube’s policies have clearly damaged the fabric of society.

Eisel Mazard

Honestly, I can say, “could be better, could be worse”. Tumblr has very simple policies: anything is permitted, unless it’s a photograph of an injury (or self-harm / attempted suicide). So, if you get on Tumblr, you know those are the rules, and you live by them. There was a hilarious campaign against me at one time, of people writing letters to Tumblr to try to get my blog about veganism deleted (because it is SO offensive, right?) and I knew from day 1 that it would never work. Youtube’s problem is that they’re having their cake and eating it, too: the “community guidelines” really are a sort of smokescreen, obscuring the legal and procedural reality of how youtube works.

Feb 8 at 9:49am

The “No Comments” Debate in a Nutshell.

Really, for me, the nutshell was what was already stated in the video version of the announcement: I’ve already tried the other modes of operating a youtube comments section. I do think that, before, people could make a pretty solid case that, “You’ll never know if you don’t try”. Well, long story short, I tried, so now I know.If I were to offer a counter-argument myself, it would be this: remember how feedback on the video about Wengie (even if it was completely idiotic feedback) resulted in a very interesting video after that, debunking the implicit sexism of those comments? Perhaps your channel will be worse without such feedback. I think this is a much stronger argument than what Marcus had to say on the matter. There are advantages and disadvantages to having the comments section closed, but, basically, I’m fully aware of both the advantages and disadvantages (I’ve tried several different modes, etc.) and I’m moving on with the mode that I know (from experience) works best for me —and a mode that saves me (considerable) time.

Really, for me, the nutshell was what was already stated in the video version of the announcement: I’ve already tried the other modes of operating a youtube comments section. I do think that, before, people could make a pretty solid case that, “You’ll never know if you don’t try”. Well, long story short, I tried, so now I know.If I were to offer a counter-argument myself, it would be this: remember how feedback on the video about Wengie (even if it was completely idiotic feedback) resulted in a very interesting video after that, debunking the implicit sexism of those comments? Perhaps your channel will be worse without such feedback. I think this is a much stronger argument than what Marcus had to say on the matter. There are advantages and disadvantages to having the comments section closed, but, basically, I’m fully aware of both the advantages and disadvantages (I’ve tried several different modes, etc.) and I’m moving on with the mode that I know (from experience) works best for me —and a mode that saves me (considerable) time.s

Marcus

To be fair i never made a free speech argument and I’ve said multiple times that you have the right to do whatever you want with your channel obviously. Im well aware of the free speech argument you used against me as i often use it in critiques of alt-righters like milo. I am disappointed that you made the decision you did and i do think it will negatively impact your channel but i understand that you have to do what makes you happy. You May disagree but i think the best argument against closing the comment section is your channel will lose the opportunity to have discussions like this one where you have to respond to constructive criticisms like mine but seeing how im the only one making this case i will now leave it alone.

Eisel Mazard

Here’s the same reply I posted in the other forum (under the earlier heading) where few will see it: ————— Re: “As much as i like eisel the guy has never been good with taking criticism even when its constructive like mine has been.” Dude… I’ve actually listened to what you had to say and replied. Do you think you’re going to get that kind of attention from ANYONE ELSE on youtube? Try it with Henya. Try it with Vegan Gains. Try it with Unnatural Vegan. You’re ignoring considerable evidence to the contrary here: past and present. I DO NOT think you’ve offered constructive criticism (no point insulting you, but your first messages on this subject were really quite stupid) but I still heard what you had to say, and replied. You won’t get that for $1, and you won’t get that for $10 or $100, with anyone else on youtube. Go ahead: try.

jack’s Afer effort

Youtube is one of the only places on the internet where someone can massively watch videos without paying a cent at some point. Hulu for example will allow twelve free episode watches of your favorite show but then you gotta pay. I agree with VR, in a strange way YouTube has spoiled its audience into thinking creators SHOULD be doing it all for free.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, I think V.R.’s comment was provocative in a useful way (and that’s why I quoted it) although my own perspective differed. Rightly or wrongly, BTW, V.R. was formerly making quite a lot of money via Patreon, and he pretty much decided to “quit” (he still makes some, but… not what he used to)… at that time, he encouraged his donors to stop donating to him, etc., because he had lost interest (etc.). What makes that a bit more morally odious, to me, was that he wasn’t just promising to make videos about his life (as I do), he was actually promising ACTIVISM, and claiming that you were paying for activism. Although that may, in future, be the case, if/when I’ve got a registered charity giving you tax-credit forms, that’s not the case with youtube at all. Jae, you just paid $1 to hear me and Tofu Goddess complain about our sex lives for two hours.

Feb 6 at 2:28pm

True Love, Self-Sacrifice & Veganism.

BEST. VIDEO. EVER.42 minutes long.

What else do you need to know? You have been warned! s

Mike On Raw

I’m always amazed at the disconnect between men and women. Much of the conflict I still deal with after being married for nearly 30 years can be broken down with a single idea. The idea that I didn’t meet expectations because I should have simply “known”. No matter how many times I have explained that human minds have yet to expand into telepathy, I am still expected to “know” things without actually being told them. Why mention that? Because of Tofu Goddess talking about how she felt in a relationship she gave and gave and gave and then guy just took everything else. Well, the question becomes, when did she have the conversation with the guy talking about her concerns? Or was he just supposed to “know”? And if you don’t feel like you can talk to someone about that, then why are you having a very close relationship with that person in the first place? Men will change, but not too much. (Thought I did become vegan… so there is that hope) Regarding the 5 second rule. #1 – Mythbusters proved that there is no 5 second rule. Any virus or bacteria that will get on that food gets on there almost immediately. #2 – I’ll pickup most things I drop from the floor and eat them if I know where the floor has been. It’s good for my immune system to have to fight something every once and awhile. I refused to pick up any food off the floor in a hospital, even if it is still in its wrapping.

Eisel Mazard

Re: “The idea that I didn’t meet expectations because I should have simply “known”.” HA HAH AHA HAHA HAHA HAHHAHHAH —I really laughed out loud at this. I’m gonna screen-shot this comment and send it to my (new) girlfriend.

jack’s Afer effort

There’s one video Tofu Goddess made about Temple Grandin where the basis of her arguments were nearly entirely emotional from my perspective. I remember my reply to her was based on my own experience with highly intelligent autistic spectrum children. I think at the time, I viewed it as a more informed response, but in hindsight I think it was based on my own emotional response to those types of students in general. I still feel bad about that exchange today.

Eisel Mazard

I felt she was really holding back in that video: I was looking forward to hearing her rant about how much she hates Temple Grandin, but she seemed (in the end) to say almost nothing at all… perhaps she just didn’t want to let it out. On youtube, you’ve got to say how you really feel.

Feb 6 at 2:25pm

How Do You Pronounce “Francione”? (vs. Modvegan!)

Francione_OFFICIAL.mp3

The shrewd among you may have noticed a difference in how (1) I pronounce “Francione”, (2) how ModVegan (on her own channel) pronounces Francione, and (3) that the latter (but not the former!) conforms to the absurd pronunciation favored by Gary Francione, the man himself.Yes, Gary may pronounce his own name “Fran-see-own”, but every reputable Italian reference book will back me up on this one: “Fran-se-oh-neh”.

Yes, BTW, Mod and I have already had a laugh about this by e-mail: you can call me an eccentric, but at least I know I’m an eccentric! I’m not going to conform to Gary’s Americanized pronunciation of his own name!

The shrewd among you may have noticed a difference in how (1) I pronounce “Francione”, (2) how ModVegan (on her own channel) pronounces Francione, and (3) that the latter (but not the former!) conforms to the absurd pronunciation favored by Gary Francione, the man himself.Yes, Gary may pronounce his own name “Fran-see-own”, but every reputable Italian reference book will back me up on this one: “Fran-se-oh-neh”.

Yes, BTW, Mod and I have already had a laugh about this by e-mail: you can call me an eccentric, but at least I know I’m an eccentric! I’m not going to conform to Gary’s Americanized pronunciation of his own name! s

Genevieve Jackson

I pronounce it the way Maddalena says is correct. My brief time in Sicily and Italy was the cause I suppose. The the C in the last syllable of Cappuccino. I had a friend who was a Devo fan and who said Gerry Casale like “Kassel.” Arguments ensued when I said Ka Saw lay. I met Gerry and I was correct. It felt so vindicated! He was very proud of his heritage.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, it’s true, she’s correct about the “c”, but I think it would be awkward to give it the full Italian consonant sound when (e.g.) speaking in English on youtube. I will falsely claim that I’m following the Piedmontese accent.

Art.of.War

Unless you are Eisel and make it your business to piss ppl off , always consult with the owner of the name re their preferred pronunciation, and then make sure you say it their way: they are the authority on this. I have an extremely unusual first name (I’ve never met anyone with the same name as me) that comes from Ancient Hebrew texts, but it’s an anglicised (phonetically very easy and straightforward) version, and that’s how I like it, lol. Many African names should contain special clicks that are usually anglicised (i.e., removed) by the name owners, prob bc they get tired of hearing botched click attempts.

Eisel Mazard

No no, it’s cool: I invented this, therefore I’m not doing it wrong.

Feb 6 at 9:41am

Comments closed on Youtube, open on Patreon.

THIS IS BASICALLY A PUBLIC EXPLANATION OF THE PLANNED CHANGES TO THE CHANNEL IN 2017.

“Why are comments disabled on this video?” If you want to make comments (where I will actually read them, and where you can interact with other people who support the channel), the place to do that is on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciel

THIS IS BASICALLY A PUBLIC EXPLANATION OF THE PLANNED CHANGES TO THE CHANNEL IN 2017.

“Why are comments disabled on this video?” If you want to make comments (where I will actually read them, and where you can interact with other people who support the channel), the place to do that is on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/a_bas_le_ciels

Marcus

That citizen 4 poster is truly ironic. You think he would be in favor of censorship?

Eisel Mazard

WTF are you talking about?

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MarMar Zaiats

Hey Eisel, I saw some moments captured from your most recent YouNow broadcast where you touch on the topic of lucid dreaming and your experience with it. You also mentioned out of body experiences (astral projection?) briefly. It would be cool if you make a video about that topic sometime. I’d appreciate it if you ever do.

Eisel Mazard

I did record those comments about lucid dreaming, and I ASSUME I will share it as a video… but I haven’t watched the recording yet… it’s possible I’ll decide it should be private? I remember I said some romantic shit toward the end that will really dent my reputation as a “tough guy”.

Feb 6 at 9:29am

PLEASE READ THIS: Clarification on How I’m Changing “My Game” On Youtube, etc.

[Subtitle:] I’m not quitting youtube (and I’m not gonna neglect Patreon) but I’m trying to use my time more efficiently.It was probably stupid for me to share that video (talking to Tofu Goddess) vaguely stating that I was going to waste less time on youtube BEFORE EXPLAINING THE CHANGES I’M ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE.

The main change is that Patreon will be –again– the only way to talk to me.

(I have already tried this in the past: I’ve had different periods with youtube comments enabled, disabled, etc.)

There will be no comments-section on youtube, and when strangers send me e-mail (or Facebook messages) I tell them, “join Patreon, talk to me there”.

That’s the main change.

Some other changes will be more subtle: I will no longer make requests-for-donations such as you saw at the start of the last ModVegan video (on Francione’s book).

The storybook project is still progressing, so I may well attempt project-specific fundraising for something like that (we’ll see).

All of us (most of us?) are in this forum because we’re vegans interested in using our time effectively. I have to ask myself that question again and again: how can I use my time effectively?

Within youtube, managing an open comments section is NOT an effective use of my time.

How often will I be uploading to youtube/patreon once my job starts? I don’t know. In some ways, I will be driven to upload MORE, because my life here is so isolated: THERE IS NOBODY HERE WHO TALKS TO ME IN ENGLISH, so I actually have a really strong reason to talk to people by Skype, via livestreaming (i.e., on Younow) and to make Youtube videos.

Really, quite separate from veganism “as a movement”, you have to keep in mind: Youtube/Younow/Skype = my social life (as opposed to communicating in Chinese immersion, in the outer fringes of Yunnan). I’m not complaining, I’m really just explaining that I think my compulsive uploading is likely to continue, although I’m going to try to eliminate “time-wasting” activities, to use the platform in a way that (1) works for me, and (2) reflects what can be (openly) called the failure of Patreon as a platform for me.

Why do I say failure? I had over 10,000 subscribers before “the youtube bug” sheared the numbers; I still have 9,000 now. Out of that “public”, only 200 people are willing to pay $1 per month to support this channel (and that number is declining, not increasing) even when I’m putting in a huge level of effort (as I have been in the last 3 months). If you go to the front page of my youtube channel now (link below, to the page I’m talking about) and scroll down, take a look at just how much content there is, when you scroll down to the “four months ago” mark. And, yes, this is not including patreon-exclusive content.

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos

All that content is not worth $1 to 300 people: and I can’t do more. Whether you think of patreon simply as a donation (to support someone and the creation of their content) or as a “payment” for something you “buy”, the reality is that my cause (or my project) is not even worth $1 to 300 people, despite the huge level of effort I was able to make, while living in such strange circumstances in China. All I can do is acknowledge that, and move on, with a slightly different strategy.

Thus: comments (on Youtube) are closed. I’m no longer promoting the Patreon in the intro section to videos. People will basically have “a negative motivation” to join Patreon, because I’m not going to put any time (not 5 seconds, not 5 minutes) into reaching out to people who DON’T support me on Patreon.

[Subtitle:] I’m not quitting youtube (and I’m not gonna neglect Patreon) but I’m trying to use my time more efficiently.It was probably stupid for me to share that video (talking to Tofu Goddess) vaguely stating that I was going to waste less time on youtube BEFORE EXPLAINING THE CHANGES I’M ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE.

The main change is that Patreon will be –again– the only way to talk to me.

(I have already tried this in the past: I’ve had different periods with youtube comments enabled, disabled, etc.)

There will be no comments-section on youtube, and when strangers send me e-mail (or Facebook messages) I tell them, “join Patreon, talk to me there”.

That’s the main change.

Some other changes will be more subtle: I will no longer make requests-for-donations such as you saw at the start of the last ModVegan video (on Francione’s book).

The storybook project is still progressing, so I may well attempt project-specific fundraising for something like that (we’ll see).

All of us (most of us?) are in this forum because we’re vegans interested in using our time effectively. I have to ask myself that question again and again: how can I use my time effectively?

Within youtube, managing an open comments section is NOT an effective use of my time.

How often will I be uploading to youtube/patreon once my job starts? I don’t know. In some ways, I will be driven to upload MORE, because my life here is so isolated: THERE IS NOBODY HERE WHO TALKS TO ME IN ENGLISH, so I actually have a really strong reason to talk to people by Skype, via livestreaming (i.e., on Younow) and to make Youtube videos.

Really, quite separate from veganism “as a movement”, you have to keep in mind: Youtube/Younow/Skype = my social life (as opposed to communicating in Chinese immersion, in the outer fringes of Yunnan). I’m not complaining, I’m really just explaining that I think my compulsive uploading is likely to continue, although I’m going to try to eliminate “time-wasting” activities, to use the platform in a way that (1) works for me, and (2) reflects what can be (openly) called the failure of Patreon as a platform for me.

Why do I say failure? I had over 10,000 subscribers before “the youtube bug” sheared the numbers; I still have 9,000 now. Out of that “public”, only 200 people are willing to pay $1 per month to support this channel (and that number is declining, not increasing) even when I’m putting in a huge level of effort (as I have been in the last 3 months). If you go to the front page of my youtube channel now (link below, to the page I’m talking about) and scroll down, take a look at just how much content there is, when you scroll down to the “four months ago” mark. And, yes, this is not including patreon-exclusive content.

https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/videos

All that content is not worth $1 to 300 people: and I can’t do more. Whether you think of patreon simply as a donation (to support someone and the creation of their content) or as a “payment” for something you “buy”, the reality is that my cause (or my project) is not even worth $1 to 300 people, despite the huge level of effort I was able to make, while living in such strange circumstances in China. All I can do is acknowledge that, and move on, with a slightly different strategy.

Thus: comments (on Youtube) are closed. I’m no longer promoting the Patreon in the intro section to videos. People will basically have “a negative motivation” to join Patreon, because I’m not going to put any time (not 5 seconds, not 5 minutes) into reaching out to people who DON’T support me on Patreon.s

Dynamic Eye Studios

With this new strategy I believe you will gain more financial support, which you deserve. It does feel good to be here with a crowd of intellectual vegans in the comment section of Patreon. Another way to garnish more income would be to start charging per “thing ” instead of per month. Patreon gives you that option to charge multiple times a month for new content you produce. You could charge twice a month and get $400.- every month with your current subscriber base when you feel like you are producing more valuable content than previously. I don’t think your subscriber base would mind paying 2-3 dollars a month.

Eisel Mazard

Meh… I do not think I will get more financial support, but I believe I will waste less time. The video also mentions reddit, something I stopped using (a long time ago?) for the same reason, just saving time. You’ve probably noticed (because we’re in some of the same Facebook groups) that I almost never post videos in Facebook in the last six months. So it goes. New job, new girlfriend… less time.

M

To me your content is worth more than 1$ and I hope I can donate more once my financial situation gets better. I’ve had a love/hate relationship with your channel. It’s mostly love, but sometimes you say something, behave in a certain way and I feel furious: I don’t want to support this guy! But then I come back. The good outweights the things I don’t like. I enjoy most of your content, thank you.

Eisel Mazard

Ha. Thanks.

Feb 6 at 4:14am

Time & money, why I’m doing less and less on Youtube.s

Genevieve Jackson

You’re the only YouTuber that puts forth extra effort on here. It’s shocking that people delete a one dollar pledge. I can’t say I’ve pledged to all though.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah, I’ve donated to other people, and then I just end up staring at a blank screen… it’s nuts. Henya gives you NOTHING but a fake link to a fake Facebook group where you can contact here (BECAUSE YOU CAN’T CONTACT HER THROUGH PATREON!) and even that Fb page doesn’t work. Durianrider, also, puts zero effort into his Patreon… very strange.

Emmet Larrissy

maybe Word From Wille was right? young men can pretend to go vegan. As Vegan Cheetah said “you are guaranteed to get laid.” Blue Wren also hints this might be the true reason for the vegan umbrella concept. which has failed so miserably.

Eisel Mazard

Neither Vegan Cheetah nor Blue Wren have lived lives that demonstrate this “guarantee”. Cheetah was involuntarily celibate for an amazing length of time, and used to remark on it (on his channel) after returning to civilization from rehab. He relapsed, and went back to rehab, because of a fling that went poorly. These are not secrets.

Feb 5 at 12:57pm

Vegans around the boardroom table: activism and democracy I.R.L.

Politics on the smallest scale: a discussion with Tofu Goddess. You can find her channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/234leanna/videoss

Grant TB

Would you please combine all the audio or edited audio from this convo into a single mp3?

Eisel Mazard

I will upload a set of podcasts. But you have to admit: this particular conversation does benefit from video format.

KiwiBanana

I have come across some very similar issues when I was running a vegan club at the local campus, while I was a student.

Feb 5 at 11:36am

[53 Seconds Long] Nobody Will Ever Love Me As Much As I Love Them.

Do you ever feel that nobody will ever love you as much as you love them?s

Brittany Dawn

I’ve threatened to breakup with my boyfriend of almost 3 years, on multiple separate occasions and although I meant it when I said it, it has strengthened our relationship and we’re still fighting the good fight. Dysfunctional…? Well I probably don’t know ‘functional’ if it sat on my face, but I’ve never been able to stomach a partner for more than a few months before- Not sure what that says…Don’t read into it too much.

Eisel Mazard

This is why you watch youtube: so that you can feel that your own life is less of a disaster than ours.

Bianca Gibson

I’m 24 and even more negative already – I don’t even take new close friends and won’t live with people. I have a disability that just a few years ago meant that half the people who found out would immediately threaten me with violence – although society has progressed a bit since then everyone but my 1 close friend has gone out of their way to make flares harder to deal with when they notice. My parents wrote me off from the age of 4 (maybe younger) for it. All that close friendships or relationships would achieve for me is making the hard times harder and reducing the amount of activism I can do in the good times.

Eisel Mazard

Yes, serious disability, isolation, penury, there are many reasons why some people will never find love or will struggle to find friendship. T.G. (in this video) has none of those problems, so her situation is remarkable. In old, old videos I described the situation of a man with a bullet-wound in his face, and, more generally, of men born with the cleft-palette condition, in Laos, Cambodia & Thailand, who would never have any affection aside from contact with prostitutes (in that culture). T.G. and I are both speaking from a situation of real privilege —and I have commented on that before, e.g., in stating that while I have never slept with a prostitute, it is easy for me to say this, compared to the fellow I met with the bullet-wound that caved in the center of his face (without killing him).

Feb 5 at 8:13am

FRANCE = VEGAN HELL (reply to a Patreon supporter!)

Is this, perhaps, the sequel to “Japan = Vegan Hell” (a video from long ago)? ;-)Or is this, perhaps, the sequel to, “Why I am not French”?

This is in reply to a question posed by a Patreon supporter (here in these forums) a few days ago.s

Genevieve Jackson

Maddallena, my sister’s son had speech delay and she was anything but vegan at the time. She is vegan now, and her youngest child that she ate a vegan diet while pregnant with and after is the complete opposite. Don’t allow anyone to ever let you think your veganism is responsible. My son got glasses recently and I bet there are people who would blame the vegan diet we eat for that! Even though most people who have glasses eat omnivorous diets. Argh.

Maddalena

Thank you Genevieve for the kind message. I’m pretty sure my son’s troubles are not related to veganism, but doctors will use any excuse to criticize this diet so it can be very difficult to hear. What you said about glasses is also an example. I remember a vegan instagrammer (Loni Jane) talking about getting glasses for her 2 yo boy and asking it this could be related to veganism.. doubts are a big part of parenting. To choose how we feed ourselves is not that big of a deal we can deal with consequences, but being responsible for the nutrition and health of a child is a totally different story!

Jordan D

this was gold.

Feb 5 at 2:32am

If I were to start my own Vegan organization, what would it be?

The implicit constraint here is, “within Canada”.s

Feb 4 at 2:15pm

FAKE VEGAN BOYFRIENDS: brutal truths about love / dating / romance

Part two of a slightly R-rated discussion with Tofu Goddess (the word “brutal” appears in the title for a reason!). You can find her channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/234leanna/videoss

Genevieve Jackson

I was speculating of course.

Mike On Raw

Often finding the right man or woman requires to you really look further than your city, your country, your part of the world. And often you need to change some of the attributes you are looking for. Finding vegan men is really tough because there are lots of other women looking for that same guy.

Feb 4 at 5:08am

Everyone is either a zero or a ten: vegans dating vegans.

A slightly R-rated discussion with Tofu Goddess. You can find her channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/234leanna/videoss

Nick Knowles

I have more of a checklist of three things it’s like Vegan (If they don’t hit that it’s over) Atheist (Or have a weak faith) Not too far left or right wing (If they hate Pepe it’s over)

Matthias K.

this makes me feel depressed about getting older

Eisel Mazard

My ex-gf (a million years ago, before my ex-wife) once went to a female doctor, and just began her complaint, “I’ve been having body hair growing in unusual places…”. The doctor replied, interrupting, “EXPECT MORE”.

Feb 3 at 2:16pm

Venus Angelic: When Nice People Do Evil Things.

IT’S VEGAN PROPAGANDA, PEOPLE… DON’T LET THE TITLE FOOL YOU, IT’S VEGAN PROPAGANDA!!(And, low-key, about Buddhism, to some extent.)s

Dynamic Eye Studios

“Who is responsible for an act of violence, when were are talking about human beings carrying out violence against other human beings? Is it the person who holds the knife, is it the soldier who pulls the trigger who is just following orders? Or is it the person who makes the decision, is it the commander who gives the orders? Who is more responsible, the person in the slaughterhouse who is just doing their job who is just following orders, or the person who has a choice? People like you and me, every day we have a choice we can choose to eat meat or we can choose not to buy meat, to refuse to buy meat because it’s the right thing to do. Ultimately we are the ones in the position of giving the command, we are the ones creating the demand, it’s us as consumers who have to be morally responsible for violence against animals.” Absolutely brilliant Eisel! Will you be going public with this video or is it just for you Patrons?

Eisel Mazard

Glad you liked it, Dynamic Eye; yes, eventually, this will be posted publicly to youtube.

Kathleen

I’ve been following the ongoing drama with Venus for the past year. The things her mother has put her through is outrageous. And it is still ongoing. She just said in a recent video that a few weeks ago her mom tried to break into her apartment with tools. I don’t know what the woman hoped to accomplish by doing that. As for the copyright notice, the guy decided to capitalize on Venus by doing an “Exposed ” video using her mother as the source of information. The result was a bunch of kids invading her Youtube and Instagram comments calling her all kinds of names and berating her. It has only finally started tapering off. She has really had to deal with a lot lately. Also want to add, I remember there being a video by a vegan about Venus about a year ago. I looked it up and it was by Li-San Loves. Same theme about Venus saying she would never purposely hurt animals.

Eisel Mazard

I have not seen that earlier video you allude to (by Li-San Loves); meanwhile, yes, I am aware of how horrendous the situation is with the relationship between Venus and her mother. Sadly, it is likely that V. also has a crappy relationship with her husband: it is “a green card marriage” —she married him to escape her mother (and to have legal access to Japan) and I’d bet money that (1) it’s a lousy match and (2) won’t last. Still: rock vs. hard place. He’s a fan, and he loves her; can’t be all bad. Still: looks bad.

Feb 3 at 12:49pm

Vegan “Brother PoLIGHT” descent into crackpottery in record time.

Let me tell you: “decalcify the pineal gland” is already a really strong hint, and the fact that “conspiracy to destroy the black man and woman’s sex drive” is in the thumbnail image for the same video is an even stronger hint. Meanwhile, his most recent video is linking “raising a vegan child” to (1) homeschooling and (2) vaccine evasion.I can’t say that I ever had high hopes for brother PoLIGHT, but his more down-to-earth discussion with VladTV (just about his own life, childhood, etc.) is a contrast to the crackpottery of his (ongoing) vegan advocacy.

But hey, I’ve said it for years: veganism is way more diverse than most people realize. It is fractuous and fragmentary.

Let me tell you: “decalcify the pineal gland” is already a really strong hint, and the fact that “conspiracy to destroy the black man and woman’s sex drive” is in the thumbnail image for the same video is an even stronger hint. Meanwhile, his most recent video is linking “raising a vegan child” to (1) homeschooling and (2) vaccine evasion.I can’t say that I ever had high hopes for brother PoLIGHT, but his more down-to-earth discussion with VladTV (just about his own life, childhood, etc.) is a contrast to the crackpottery of his (ongoing) vegan advocacy.

But hey, I’ve said it for years: veganism is way more diverse than most people realize. It is fractuous and fragmentary.

Matthias K.

no room for him under the umbrella?

Eisel Mazard

Ha ha ha… yeah, maybe Charlie can interview the guy.

Feb 2 at 7:49am

Inside Joke (In Response to Cheetah’s Rebranding of His Channel).

If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em: my youtube channel is also (now) a fake-vegan lifestyle channel. 90% less drama, 10% less vegan. Deadpan.s

Brittany Dawn

Charles, go back to school.

Eisel Mazard

I know, right? If there’s one place on earth where his looks don’t count for shit, it’s L.A. (tons of wannabe actors and models there: being a good-looking guy might help get you a job in Kansas or Cobalt, but not in L.A.). Without a B.A., he can’t do much more than work at a gas station (given his criminal record, that he didn’t complete high-school, etc.).

Brittany Dawn

I remember him saying in a video he made before the big move, he wouldn’t become a cam boy or give favours for money. Well, it would be better money than this. Maybe he should re-consider his options if he still wants the lifestyle without working hard and learn something useful.

Eisel Mazard

Owtch. You make the misery of earning an M.P.A. sound… decent… by contrast, suppose.

Feb 1 at 1:06pm

A meandering conversation about Veganism and/or nothing in particular.

[EDIT: the conversation takes a few minutes to warm up, but we actually do discuss some interesting stuff, e.g., the knock-on effects of violent vs. non-violent activism (in Europe), etc.]So, you may notice, I neither recorded this conversation nor posted it on my own channel.

That doesn’t mean it is bad/wrong/evil… but it is a really casual conversation (not even at the level of intensity of one of my usual podcasts).

However, some of you might be interested (or might simply need something to listen to while washing the dishes) so… here’s a random conversation between myself and a 20-year-old aspiring vegan activist (in England).

[EDIT: the conversation takes a few minutes to warm up, but we actually do discuss some interesting stuff, e.g., the knock-on effects of violent vs. non-violent activism (in Europe), etc.]So, you may notice, I neither recorded this conversation nor posted it on my own channel.

That doesn’t mean it is bad/wrong/evil… but it is a really casual conversation (not even at the level of intensity of one of my usual podcasts).

However, some of you might be interested (or might simply need something to listen to while washing the dishes) so… here’s a random conversation between myself and a 20-year-old aspiring vegan activist (in England).

Eisel Mazard

EDIT: the conversation takes a few minutes to warm up, but we actually do discuss some interesting stuff, e.g., the knock-on effects of violent vs. non-violent activism (in Europe), etc.

Alec Android

I saw your comment on twitter that “Israel and Taiwan are the only places with a shot at leading the vegan movement in 2017”. I agree that Chiang Mai only makes sense as a tourist destination for Australians and Kiwis to escape their winter, and not so much as a place for vegan activism, but I don’t know what you mean by Taiwan and Israel leading the vegan movement. Firstly, I think it’s odd to think of any nation-state as a candidate for leading the vegan movement in 2017, given no nation-state has so far to come anywhere near to leading veganism, although I admire your optimism. Secondly, these two seem like odd choices. Israel has promoted itself as vegan friendly and there was a newspaper-TV poll that claimed 5% are vegan, but I’m not sure how reliable that is and Israel has one of the highest per capita meat consumption rates in the world, almost 100kg per person per year (including waste but not including dairy and eggs) which makes Israel barely better than Spain and Argentina and worse than Canada, Italy, Sweden, Finland and Japan, and of course much worse than poorer countries. I guess Taiwan would have a much lower rate of animal product consumption than Israel, but I couldn’t find any polling suggesting there are more vegans/vegetarians in Taiwan than Japan, Sweden or Italy, not to mention India. In some provinces of India, more than 70% of the residents are at least lacto-vegetarian and given the extremely low total consumption of animal products would presumably be more open the veganism, while Japan, Sweden and Italy are at least as wealthy as Taiwan and seem at least as vegan-friendly. In terms of governments making actual commitments to reducing the use of animals, I haven’t heard anything more promising than China’s plan to cut meat consumption in half by 2030, which is half as much as I’d like and many times slower, but still more significant than anything I’ve heard promised by any other government. I’d be interested to hear your reasoning for Taiwan and Israel as the best candidates.

Eisel Mazard

Long story short: Taiwan has (by far) the strongest vegan culture of any country in the world —both vegetarianism and veganism are extremely powerful there (with government policy to back them) because of (basically) the influence of Buddhism, Daoism, and traditional Chinese values. In both Taiwan and Israel, per capita meat consumption is very high, because vegans are a minority too small to possibly make a dent in that statistic (a point with profound implications for the whole world, BTW). However, no, you’re wrong: Israel and Taiwan really are special/exceptional. Of the two, Israel has an advantage: veganism is “young” there. In Taiwan, it is “old”. In Taiwan, you commonly meet elderly people who are vegan, and you meet meat-eaters who say they have a vegan grandparent. Israel is the opposite: veganism is largely the younger generation’s movement, regarded as incompatible with the traditional values of the grandparents (who are largely Jewish, not Buddhist/Daoist/etc.).

Feb 1 at 11:51am

Follow-up image for, “The worst new idea for activism…”

This mentions perhaps two of the problems with this approach to activism, but, really, I could talk for an hour about how many things are wrong with it, in both theory and praxis.

Mike On Raw

It is interesting how people feel this is activism that can make a difference because they feel they have little power to do anything else. But what else have they even tried to do? What school board meeting did they attend? etc…

Alexa

I think people tend to gravitate toward “activism” like this (and disparage more measured approaches) specifically because it requires very little work or long-term strategy. Most people aren’t really trying to attend school board meetings; trying to change policy in that way is a slow burn and it can require a lot of campaigning for both support and funding, conversations with individual people to get them on your “side,” failing once or twice and going back to try again, etc. It’s way more fun to fuck around in the grocery store for 30 minutes and then reassure yourself you did your best.

Emmet Larrissy

I am still getting ready for my food safety exam. When I finish that exam I should also do fire safety and first aid. I can understand the desperation to simply do activism today rather than wait 2-3 years. But it is a total waste of time in many cases.

Feb 1 at 11:50am

[Other voices:] The worst new idea for activism I’ve seen all year.

I admit it hasn’t been much of a year, yet, but this is a terrible idea (really idiotic if you just give a few moments of thought to it) and I’ll post a screen-shot of someone in the comments pointing out some of the problems with it (long-term, this would result in the same problem reported with the knock-on effects of DxE disrupting restaurants: people getting kicked out of the store/restaurant for wearing a vegan tshirt, because the business has this problem repeatedly, etc.).And, yes, you can see that several thousand (vegan) viewers uncritically applaud this new idea, etc.

I admit it hasn’t been much of a year, yet, but this is a terrible idea (really idiotic if you just give a few moments of thought to it) and I’ll post a screen-shot of someone in the comments pointing out some of the problems with it (long-term, this would result in the same problem reported with the knock-on effects of DxE disrupting restaurants: people getting kicked out of the store/restaurant for wearing a vegan tshirt, because the business has this problem repeatedly, etc.).And, yes, you can see that several thousand (vegan) viewers uncritically applaud this new idea, etc.s

Matthias K.

cringetivism

Feb 1 at 8:02am

The Curious Case of White Guilt.

This one gets into the history of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam (briefly, by my standards) and has ALMOST nothing to do with vegan politics. s

Emmet Larrissy

Nixon was not the worst leader in recent USA history.

Feb 1 at 1:33am

Motivational Methods for Vegan Advocacy, by Casey T. Taft, Book Review.

Not mentioned in the book review, Casey Taft is the head (C.E.O.?) of “Vegan Publishers”, the publishing company that produced this selfsame book, and, apparently, at least a few children’s books so far (including, “Santa’s First Vegan Christmas”?).https://www.youtube.com/user/VeganPublishers/videos

It is somewhat hilarious to note that this bracingly-honest book review will not ingratiate me with this publisher… some other aspiring-author (with a vegan kids’ book in the work) and some other aspiring vegan activist would, doubtless, want to flatter Taft, given his position as both author and publisher… but, hey, you know my M.O. … I’m “keeping it real” rather than flattering much of anyone with false praise.

Not mentioned in the book review, Casey Taft is the head (C.E.O.?) of “Vegan Publishers”, the publishing company that produced this selfsame book, and, apparently, at least a few children’s books so far (including, “Santa’s First Vegan Christmas”?).https://www.youtube.com/user/VeganPublishers/videos

It is somewhat hilarious to note that this bracingly-honest book review will not ingratiate me with this publisher… some other aspiring-author (with a vegan kids’ book in the work) and some other aspiring vegan activist would, doubtless, want to flatter Taft, given his position as both author and publisher… but, hey, you know my M.O. … I’m “keeping it real” rather than flattering much of anyone with false praise.s

Grant TB

More on this soon. For now, will you consider the option below? The goal is to have your content download automatically to my podcatcher as audio. https://www.labnol.org/internet/host-podcasts-on-google-drive/28227/

Eisel Mazard

Short answer: no. In the months ahead, I will be uploading to Patreon, but less and less to anything other than Patreon. You’ll see dramatically fewer videos on youtube, etc. I’ve experimented with many platforms and methods, and those experiments are now over.

Jacqueline Cohen

This finally came up on my watch later list. This video made me reflect on why unnatural vegan’s view on what’s “effective ‘vegan’ activism” and her smugness about “vegans being alienating” bugs me. Putting aside that she seems to believe that simply promoting veganism (but not being an ass about it) is “extreme”, there isn’t going to be one method that works for everyone. The concept of “knowing your audience” seems lost on her.

Jan 31 at 1:57am

An Hour With Lance Carbstrong: On Substance and Scandal, Friendship and Politics via Youtube.

[MP3 / Podcast version attached, for those listening on the stairmaster.]The context for this conversation is the following: Lance had at least six (six!) videos defaming me that I knew of. He had a new video criticising me (that was reasonable, not defamatory) in which he said both flattering and insulting things about me (not complaining, just describing the situation). I sent him a comment in response, and he immediately offered to interview me. I pointed out that he still had quite a few videos defaming me (claiming that I’m a scam-artist, that I stole $6,500, etc.) and they could/should be deleted. He agreed.

(I did, also, show him legal documents and discussed the case in Thailand, although he didn’t ask/demand that I do so.)

So, this is a really upbeat conversation (I laugh a lot… I sound a bit like “The Joker” as performed by Mark Hamill at some points) that ensued.

We took a negative situation and made it really positive.

For those of you who are regular, long-term viewers however, there’s a warning: many of the things Lance wanted to discuss with me are things that I have discussed before (in some other podcast, or some other video) so there is some repetition here (if you’ve actually watched all 500 of my past videos, you may be fast-forwarding, HOWEVER, I do think that the cheery tone of the conversation makes it easier to cope with, although we do (e.g.) talk about Vegan Cheetah for several minutes, and many of you will be sick and tired of that topic).

[MP3 / Podcast version attached, for those listening on the stairmaster.]The context for this conversation is the following: Lance had at least six (six!) videos defaming me that I knew of. He had a new video criticising me (that was reasonable, not defamatory) in which he said both flattering and insulting things about me (not complaining, just describing the situation). I sent him a comment in response, and he immediately offered to interview me. I pointed out that he still had quite a few videos defaming me (claiming that I’m a scam-artist, that I stole $6,500, etc.) and they could/should be deleted. He agreed.

(I did, also, show him legal documents and discussed the case in Thailand, although he didn’t ask/demand that I do so.)

So, this is a really upbeat conversation (I laugh a lot… I sound a bit like “The Joker” as performed by Mark Hamill at some points) that ensued.

We took a negative situation and made it really positive.

For those of you who are regular, long-term viewers however, there’s a warning: many of the things Lance wanted to discuss with me are things that I have discussed before (in some other podcast, or some other video) so there is some repetition here (if you’ve actually watched all 500 of my past videos, you may be fast-forwarding, HOWEVER, I do think that the cheery tone of the conversation makes it easier to cope with, although we do (e.g.) talk about Vegan Cheetah for several minutes, and many of you will be sick and tired of that topic).

An Hour With Lance Carbstrong, On Substance and Scandal, Friendship and Politics via Youtube.mp3s

James Newman

Just got around to taking the time to listen to the podcast. I just want to comment that I’ve often considered asking to be a guest on your channel (since I can really go into the details surrounding being a vegan in non vegan culinary school). Even though I don’t really see myself in the kitchen 10 years from now.

Eisel Mazard

Yeah… as mentioned here, I examined the hell out of that option… at this point, I’d be better off becoming a registered dietician than a chef. Fuck, maybe becoming a dietician would be better than an M.P.A.?

Vegan. M

You said “The beach in Pattaya is genuinely, incredibly beautiful”. Are you sure you have been there? It’s arguably the worst beach in a tourist location in Thailand.

Eisel Mazard

I was thinking of Jomtien, I guess: to me that counts as Pattaya (“next door”).

Jan 31 at 1:40am

Lance Carbstrong, Turning a Negative Situation Into a Positive One.

Hey, give people a chance to do better, and some will. I’ll provide more commentary on why/how we ended up talking below the link to the whole conversation (to be posted in the next 5 minutes).

Jan 30 at 5:00pm

[Other voices:] The long, slow, boiling rage against the ex-vegan Nikocado.

Some of you should skip this one… some of you… shouldn’t. s

NotKurtis

Oh wow Ryan Clarken, haven’t seen this cat in a little minute. Guys leave Nikocado alone, he’s just looking after himself and his health and making his own personal choices. Lol.

NotKurtis

#VeganTriggerWarning

Jan 30 at 12:38pm

Yiyi Evans: Inviting One of My Hardest Working Haters to Turn Her Life Around.s

NotKurtis

I’m fascinated by the alternate reality where she listens to you, turns her life around, quits the bullshit, and you two fall madly in love. D.R. gets the psychiatric help he needs and becomes a rounded, chilled individual. Vegan Cheetah… I don’t know, fucks off to Alaska or something. Vegan Gains remains unchanged.

Eisel Mazard

No no, that’s the immediate future of THIS reality, the one you’re already living in.

Brittany Dawn

This person bashed me for not bashing you on an occasion. I didn’t feel like joining the hate parade. What is she sipping on?

Eisel Mazard

She is highly motivated. In the distant past, she was actually a fan/supporter of my channel. I don’t remember when/why she “switched”.

Jan 30 at 9:10am

Twitter: The Same Announcement in Video Form.

https://twitter.com/eiselmazardBTW, though, guys: if you don’t get the implicit point, MESSAGE ME HERE, WITHIN PATREON, or via my “real e-mail” address (I see EVERYTHING that’s either via Patreon or a real email)… but do not send messages to Twitter, as I will never see them (and if you send messages to/within Youtube you’re rolling the dice: maybe I’ll see it, maybe not).

https://twitter.com/eiselmazardBTW, though, guys: if you don’t get the implicit point, MESSAGE ME HERE, WITHIN PATREON, or via my “real e-mail” address (I see EVERYTHING that’s either via Patreon or a real email)… but do not send messages to Twitter, as I will never see them (and if you send messages to/within Youtube you’re rolling the dice: maybe I’ll see it, maybe not).s

Matthias K.

tumblr comeback soon?

Eisel Mazard

Never! Tumblr is dead to me. Seriously, they made changes to the interface that destroyed the advantages the website formerly had: hashtags formerly operated as “categories” that brought people (and vegans) together. I think the programmers didn’t understand what the design advantages were (in the early days) that they destroyed. Now, it is just an especially lame blogging platform.

Alec Android

Sometimes when people “can’t” they can but won’t, like if there are not enough others to follow on there for people to bother. That’s why a few creaky old websites can have a monopoly on social media. It is difficult to get the critical mass necessary for people to adopt a new platform, even if you make a social media website with a better design.

Eisel Mazard

Youtube, Twitter, Reddit & Instagram can be made obsolete by having one website that integrates the functions of all four: if you’re new on youtube, you have to waste time posting to all four.

Jan 30 at 8:23am

Attempting to use Twitter again (or for the first time?)

It is apparently impossible for “normal people” to follow me on Nice (a.k.a. OneNiceApp)… while I will continue to use that App (because it works in China, whereas Twitter is blocked) I think I will try to periodically upload images to Twitter.I will also start using Twitter for single-sentence monologues, such as you see above (but no, I’m not going to engage in dialogue/discussion via Twitter: I would regard that as a waste of time, and, basically, I ONLY talk to people via Patreon… anyone who actually wants me to reply to them can donate the $1).

It is apparently impossible for “normal people” to follow me on Nice (a.k.a. OneNiceApp)… while I will continue to use that App (because it works in China, whereas Twitter is blocked) I think I will try to periodically upload images to Twitter.I will also start using Twitter for single-sentence monologues, such as you see above (but no, I’m not going to engage in dialogue/discussion via Twitter: I would regard that as a waste of time, and, basically, I ONLY talk to people via Patreon… anyone who actually wants me to reply to them can donate the $1).s

Grant TB

https://twitter.com/EiselMazard

Dynamic Eye Studios

I see you are not using #Hashtags on twitter. They could help with outreach unless you are only interested in messaging your followers. Here are some useful hashtags I use on instagram which you could select from: #Vegan #Veganism #VeganLove #VeganAbroad #VeganForLife #VeganLife #PlantPowered #PlantStrong #GoVegan #DitchTheDairy #VeganFood #WhatVegansEat #WhatVegansDo

Jan 29 at 12:49pm

Department of Minor Witticisms Immortalized Within Patreons

James Newman

Since you’re interested in replying to your supporters questions (as not many have been put to you recently), I would like to offer up one of my own. Ever since I watched you video on “why you’re not french” I’ve been curious about how you survived at a vegan in the country as a vegan. I’m well aware that, because of all the tourists, it is vastly easier to be vegan in Paris than in many of the surrounding provinces – where little to no english is spoken and the concept of veganism is unheard of. Also, as a side question: in today’s world, how worthwhile can knowing french be for a person?

gina lachman

i just moved to paris and wanted to ask eisel a similar question. it’s been extremely difficult — borderline impossible, maintaining my veganism here.

Emmet Larrissy

There is an online store called the vegan shop. You will also find many bio shops across France (not very good compared to UK or US). The South of France is worse.

Jan 29 at 7:28am

Maybe I’m Wrong: Working With Meat-Eaters For the Vegan Movement.

Some new reflections on a familiar topic. And, yes, it’s always refreshing to start a video with the words, “Maybe I’m Wrong”… I should start more of my videos with that catchphrase. s

Mike On Raw

In the end, the role of any foundation that includes vegans and meat eaters would need to be very focused. i.e. we want clean water. I can’t imagine it working where a foundation might support the culling of deer herds encroaching on populated areas.

Jan 29 at 5:10am

LOVE / RELATIONSHIPS — Supporting Your Partner in their Ambitions.

This video is an exception to the rule in several ways: it is definitely NOT the first take (we did five?), but I think it ended up with a solid tone, rambunctious without being reproachful.I was tempted to title this something like, “Quit NOFAP, Quit MGTOW, Quit Kidding Yourself” —but the truth is that this video ended up with a much more positive message (about what you SHOULD do in relationships) than a negative/critical one.

This video is an exception to the rule in several ways: it is definitely NOT the first take (we did five?), but I think it ended up with a solid tone, rambunctious without being reproachful.I was tempted to title this something like, “Quit NOFAP, Quit MGTOW, Quit Kidding Yourself” —but the truth is that this video ended up with a much more positive message (about what you SHOULD do in relationships) than a negative/critical one.

Eisel Mazard

Does anyone want to place bets on whether or not my ex-wife watches this shit?

NotKurtis

#PositiveVideoWithShade

Jan 28 at 1:39pm

“Publication Bias” and Learning from Failure.

Part of the point I was trying to make here was left unmade: when you’re looking at the performance of the stock-market, you’re only looking at the performance of the companies that remain listed (the others have become invisible), and, likewise, when you’re looking at youtube, you’re only seeing the channels that remain “listed”. Failure is always harder to see, and harder to learn from, than success, but this makes it even more of a puzzle.

Part of the point I was trying to make here was left unmade: when you’re looking at the performance of the stock-market, you’re only looking at the performance of the companies that remain listed (the others have become invisible), and, likewise, when you’re looking at youtube, you’re only seeing the channels that remain “listed”. Failure is always harder to see, and harder to learn from, than success, but this makes it even more of a puzzle.s

Eisel Mazard

Part of the point I was trying to make here was left unmade: when you’re looking at the performance of the stock-market, you’re only looking at the performance of the companies that remain listed (the others have become invisible), and, likewise, when you’re looking at youtube, you’re only seeing the channels that remain “listed”. Failure is always harder to see, and harder to learn from, than success, but this makes it even more of a puzzle.

Grant TB

Mp3 (or RSS)?

Jan 28 at 1:29pm

Stop Preaching NOFAP: Why I Hate Vegans.

Not only do I suffer from the delusion that this video is really quite meaningful, I have the further delusion that the first two minutes (edited as such) quite rapidly inform you of what the video is about, and why you may find it interesting.

Stop Preaching NOFAP, Why I Hate Vegans.mp3s

Genevieve Jackson

The days I get laid are generally happier more productive days. Nofap is a loaf of crap.

NotKurtis

I’m imagining a RT4 choir singing some rewritten version of Monty Python’s “every sperm is sacred”, encouraging the complete lack of ejaculation instead of just demonising safe sex

Eisel Mazard

No no, you’re getting the sides of the conflict mixed up: D.R. was pro-fap (not nofap). D.R. was pro-vasectomy, but also pro-fap.

Jan 28 at 7:29am

Joy, Sorrow & Honesty Online: Joe Vegan, University & My Divorce.

Just a misc. “meaning of life” video, with the central leitmotif being the (strange?) fact that I’m actually LESS emotionally distraught about my divorce than I am about (the poor quality of) universities in Canada… because the latter is a struggle I’m still trapped in, and dealing with.s

Alec Android

By the way, I’ve actually attended UVic, for a brief period, and thought the English department wasn’t so bad! Unfortunately I got sick and had to drop out, but I wish I had taken care of my health better and made more of my time there. I can’t speak for any of the other departments at UVic. At my Australian university it’s hit and miss (mostly the latter). There are a few departments with a few good teachers and the rest is… poorly taught and in the humanities it is often poorly chosen material to boot.

NotKurtis

I briefly had an opportunity to complete a few courses at a university in Victoria (Canada, not the Australian state lol), but didn’t have the $. Personally, I’ve had generally good experiences at university in Australia (Brisbane) but was pretty focused in the sciences – no political science, arts, human studies etc. The only non science-based course I completed was a first year philosophy course, which was credit towards my major in mathematics (course is connected due to the logic, thought processes etc relevant to discrete mathematics, computation etc)

Jan 27 at 2:01pm

[Other Voices:] Vegan Gains Doesn’t Just Call People Idiots…

The last time V.G. came up within this Patreon forum, a few people despaired, as they associated him only with brainless content (and the controversy of the moment was a fairly brainless clash-of-personalities with Vegan Cheetah)… however, not all of his content is so brainless. This video (10 minutes long) is pretty much a straightforward recap of scientific facts, with relatively little brandishing of guns and knives on-camera.

The last time V.G. came up within this Patreon forum, a few people despaired, as they associated him only with brainless content (and the controversy of the moment was a fairly brainless clash-of-personalities with Vegan Cheetah)… however, not all of his content is so brainless. This video (10 minutes long) is pretty much a straightforward recap of scientific facts, with relatively little brandishing of guns and knives on-camera.s

jack’s Afer effort

It’s my theory that it took Richard 1 year to make this video, simply because if he did not record the monotone voiceover one word at a time, he wouldn’t be able to control his own laughter long enough to ever finish it.

Emmet Larrissy

the meat industry will always have more money to throw into phony research.

Jan 26 at 10:04am

Ryan, Stop Treating Women Like Infants (Happy Healthy Vegan, HHV)

Yeah, I got tired of seeing Nina and Randa in the thumbnails for this channel, so (for those who are interested) I note that the model in the cover image is Pam Grzeskowiak (and yes, she is vegan). You can find her channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxRSHU8ewlM8H6Rq9Z4PLNw/videos

Yeah, I got tired of seeing Nina and Randa in the thumbnails for this channel, so (for those who are interested) I note that the model in the cover image is Pam Grzeskowiak (and yes, she is vegan). You can find her channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxRSHU8ewlM8H6Rq9Z4PLNw/videoss

Jacqueline Cohen

THIS.

NotKurtis

When Angie was 25 or younger, did Ryan feel like he was fucking a stupid little girl?

NotKurtis

To clarify: yes, that was a rhetorical, and yes he probably did, and also he probably still does

Jan 25 at 6:43am

Asking my audience for advice: education & career options, in Canada?

Over a year ago (?) I asked my audience for advice and help in finding a job (when I was sending out my C.V. to a long list of places, from Japan to Poland). Now, I have a job (with a one-year contract, ending in Dec. of 2017), but let’s try this again: asking my audience, openly, for help/advice.s

Rewi Stirrat

e.g. http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/learning/departments/school-of-psychology/research/disaster-research/teaching-and-outreach/emergency-management-programme.cfm

Caz VanDevere

I just applied to an MPA program in the US PNW. I think you’re spot on in calling it boring, but it seems like a reasonable way to marry analytical academic thought with at least theoretical real-world application, especially if there is some focus on quantitative stuff. What’s one to do though, study Pali and Gandhari? Gaining skills that organizations actually want seems like the sensible thing.

Jan 24 at 10:38pm

Unnatural Vegan vs. Ethical Vegans; Insanity vs. Sanity.

There are some dramatic pauses in this one that may sound strange if you opt for the audio-only (podcast format) here attached as an MP3… but hey, this is 35 minutes long, I can’t blame you.

Unnatural Vegan vs Ethical Vegans, Insanity vs Sanity.mp3s

Jacqueline Cohen

When I started transitioning to veganism, I did find “tentative vegan” an attractive idea. In less than a year I’ve “evolved” passed that to just “vegan”. I feel like for someone with a degree in philosophy, UV should be able to make much stronger arguments than what she presents. I’ve noticed this on a number of topics.

Eisel Mazard

After all these years, I, also, do not get “the deal” with Unnatural Vegan.

Leanne Gray

As someone with a mental disorder, I agree with you. People with many kinds of mental or neurological disorders have limitations – that’s why it’s a disability. If someone claims they have no limitations from their disorder, I would question why they have a diagnosis in the first place. That said, there’s a difference between saying, “hey, this person has admitted to this diagnosis, and that implies certain things about their behavior/limitations that you should take into account before you follow them off a cliff like a lemming,” and a pure ad-hominem attack that dismisses everything a person has said or done just because they’re neuro-atypical. I don’t think that’s a line that you’ve crossed. That said, just because someone is disabled, that doesn’t mean that they should be immune from criticism – even if that criticism involves their disorder. Being disabled doesn’t absolve you from the responsibility for your actions as an adult.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for taking the time to write in. People are uncomfortable discussing inequalities for many reasons, some of them good. However, admitting that inequalities exist doesn’t mean that you’re going to harm people, nor even make unreasonable judgements, based on those inequalities. Reasonable or unreasonable, we do have to make these judgements, about competence, reliability, etc.

Jan 24 at 9:19am

Writing to Vegan Cheetah: Admit That You Lied, Patch It Up, Move On.

The title, I think, is self-explanatory for this one.s

Emmet Larrissy

I really hope Cheetah is ready to move on now. Disturbing to see Vegsource trolling the comments section again.

Jan 24 at 3:37am

I’m not a nice guy, but… (in reply to Powsimian)

A few people asked me about this, so, here you go: my reply to Powsimian. Sincere, and not at all overstated.s

John Edward

I’ve never followed Sorsha. They probably don’t do that because they don’t want to be called a fake vegan etc. Just from watching that video it seems like he is moving in the right direction though. Recognizing the importance of getting organised is majorly drifting away from DR’s tenants and aggressive promotion of social media being the only way to change the world.

Matthias K.

that’s a good video he made there, didn’t expect this

Jan 23 at 3:51am

“Duck Necks” as an impulse purchase, in a plastic bag.

Yeah, the bag on the right says, “Duck Neck”. The “N” is backwards, apparently.I would upload more photos here, but moving images from the iphone (to the desktop computer) is unbelievably inefficient (like… 20 minutes of wasted time… much worse than using a non-Apple camerea).

If you can, install “Nice” (OneNiceApp) and find me (my Chinese name is 马大影, my name is also listed as Eisel Mazard but harder to find that way I’m told) for images of my daily life –including minor ironies at the grocery store.

Yeah, the bag on the right says, “Duck Neck”. The “N” is backwards, apparently.I would upload more photos here, but moving images from the iphone (to the desktop computer) is unbelievably inefficient (like… 20 minutes of wasted time… much worse than using a non-Apple camerea).

If you can, install “Nice” (OneNiceApp) and find me (my Chinese name is 马大影, my name is also listed as Eisel Mazard but harder to find that way I’m told) for images of my daily life –including minor ironies at the grocery store.s

Jan 23 at 1:26am

[Patreon Exclusive] Brainstorming for a Better Vegan Movement

My second dialogue with a Washington D.C. lawyer (primarily working on ecological issues) named Steven Feit (some of you may remember our first conversation, from so many months ago, when the world was young).This is circa one hour and forty minutes long.

Steven actually pronounces his own last name like “Fight”, not “Fate”… so, in effect, I’ve created a secret identity for him, in the vegan movement, by consistently using an “alternate” pronunciation of his name.

My second dialogue with a Washington D.C. lawyer (primarily working on ecological issues) named Steven Feit (some of you may remember our first conversation, from so many months ago, when the world was young).This is circa one hour and forty minutes long.

Steven actually pronounces his own last name like “Fight”, not “Fate”… so, in effect, I’ve created a secret identity for him, in the vegan movement, by consistently using an “alternate” pronunciation of his name.

Brainstorming a Better Vegan Movement, EM and SF.mp3s

Matthias K.

Spot the Swayze

ModVegan

Such a great talk! (and not just because I got a shout-out). I hope you’ll have Steven on more often.

Eisel Mazard

We’ll see: we could definitely have a charity registered in both Ottawa and Washington, with his cooperation.

Jan 22 at 9:13am

[Snippet:] Asked to Comment About “The Black Bloc”

Black_Bloc_Comment.mp3

I’ve recorded a number of conversations (about vegan politics, etc.) this weekend… I’m not sure how I’m going to wrangle them into a format for Patreon or Youtube or both.But, for the moment, here’s another refresingly brief excerpt from a 45 minute potential podcast.

I’m here speaking to “Mushroom”, actually a married couple using one name (on Younow, etc.).

I’ve recorded a number of conversations (about vegan politics, etc.) this weekend… I’m not sure how I’m going to wrangle them into a format for Patreon or Youtube or both.But, for the moment, here’s another refresingly brief excerpt from a 45 minute potential podcast.

I’m here speaking to “Mushroom”, actually a married couple using one name (on Younow, etc.).s

Emmet Larrissy

If you ever live in Belfast you really get to see how political violence can quickly escalate transform and duplicate. When political leaders advocate violence for one political group you find that violence can become and endemic part of society.

Jan 22 at 8:01am

[Other voices:] DURIAN RIDER AND EISEL MAZARD EROTIC FAN FICTION

Every possible trigger warning. All of them. But you’re going to click on it anyway, right?s

John Henderson

i think she might be a fan :p the woman in this video…not so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPouI-I1rwA

Eisel Mazard

“The White Pariah” is a former patron-supporter (i.e., she formerly donated to à-bas-le-ciel) and I have, in fact, promoted her on my channel!

Nick Knowles

Ewwww she’s got the SJW eyeliner and lipstick, im outta here

Jan 22 at 5:43am

A Modest Proposal for a New, Vegan N.G.O. in Canada.

A three-minute-long “patreon exclusive”, for a change. ;-)She asked me, simply, if I were to start a non-profit foundation/charity (in Canada) what it would be, and this was my spontaneous reply.

EM if I started a vegan NGO what would it be.mp3s

Alec Android

Not bad. I think some other good ideas would be vegan community centres, a place for vegans to go and hang out anytime that is not a restaurant so we don”t feel obliged to buy anything, kinda like LGBT youth centres but allow anyone serious about going vegan to come to ask questions, have facilities for cooking your own food and allow non-vegans to use it if they don’t bring any non-vegan ingredients, have a little library, music, sometimes live music, maybe even provide vegan accommodation services for people who want to rent with other vegans etc. Or run a vegan shelter with vegan food for the homeless, do advocacy while you serve them and while they eat. Or provide a health service to anyone whether homeless or vegan or neither, ask them about their diet, put it into chronometer, work out what is missing from their diet, tell them whatever healthy food they might benefit from it, maybe give them something for free if they are poor, then you talk to them about veganism, talk about animal rights and the environment etc. This could work in any city in any country from developed countries to a place like Rajasthan where more than 70% of people are at least lacto-vegetarian already, but there’s a lot of youth unemployment, poverty and presumably malnutrition, some famine and b12 deficiencies.

John Henderson

When we have representatives of the president of USA presenting ‘alternative facts’ to support their agenda, who is also declaring any media who doesn’t align with this alternative truth as ‘fake news’. ie. Trumps press secretary lying about the numbers that attended Trumps inauguration & still just going with it, despite being proven wrong, . It really makes me doubt the effectiveness off lobbying governments to stop big meat, dairy & egg, lying about the health implications of consuming these products. Its a dangerous trend.

Jan 21 at 10:11am

Onision, what it means TO BE UNDERSTANDING with a broken heart.

The MP3 version (audio-only / portable podcast) is attached… but then you’ll miss out on the sight of my putting my palm over my face (just once, I think, in this monologue?). ;-)—–

This was made immediately after a video from Onision, titled, “Dear Ex Girlfriend (Cheating, Lying, Homewrecking & More)”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKgzDNimPI

However, if you’re new to this story, this earlier video (almost exactly one year old, as of today) is the more instructive one to see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RNbzscfXQ

The MP3 version (audio-only / portable podcast) is attached… but then you’ll miss out on the sight of my putting my palm over my face (just once, I think, in this monologue?). ;-)—–

This was made immediately after a video from Onision, titled, “Dear Ex Girlfriend (Cheating, Lying, Homewrecking & More)”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBKgzDNimPI

However, if you’re new to this story, this earlier video (almost exactly one year old, as of today) is the more instructive one to see:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RNbzscfXQ

Onision, what it means TO BE UNDERSTANDING with a broken heart.mp3

Genevieve Jackson

This made me have an epiphany that perhaps young people attracted to older people are perhaps more mature for their age. At 13 I preferred talking to my teachers than other kids. Older people that choose these younger people might actually be less mature in many ways, never wanting to grow up. They think a teen will be OK with that mentality. It’s often a mistake.

Art.of.War

Interesting vid. In expensive cities like New York or Toronto, the soul-sucking “sugar baby” lifestyle (covering education and living expenses by sleeping w older, monied men) is now scarily common amongst middle-class women, but it’s a bit of a waste to be hardened and cynical by 25.

Jan 20 at 2:42am

Veganism is NOT a Social Justice Movement.

(I could provide a synopsis… but I think this one is more enjoyable if there’s a little bit of an element of surprise.) ;-)The MP3 / audio-only / podcast version is attached.

Veganism is NOT a Social Justice Movement.mp3s

Genevieve Jackson

Listening to this with my ten year son, and he shouted,”Veganism is a social justice movement, it’s social justice for the animals.” He also went on to tell me about PETA shutting down a rabbit farm. I guess he’s doing his own research now.

Eisel Mazard

Give him another ten years.

Blair Gilbreath

It’s interesting to compare the model of veganism as consumer practice vs. veganism as social justice movement. Someone like Ida Hammer would argue that vegan consumerism is limited to a privileged few; there are vegan restaurants and vegan processed foods, but they’re largely “boutique” options, and not priced within the reach of the vast majority. If those products are most people’s exposure to veganism, they’ll perceive it as an upper-class virtue. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38664353 http://veganideal.mayfirst.org/content/power-corporations-neoliberalization-social-movements

Eisel Mazard

This gets discussed (relatively briefly) in the middle of the hour-and-40-minute discussion with Steven Feit I just uploaded.

Jan 20 at 12:01am

[Other Voices:] Black Liberation Adopts Veganism (AGAIN?)

Disclaimer: I did not watch even 1% of this video (two hours long) but I think it’s worth sharing (at least as a footnote?) here.”Brother POLIGHT” has attained some measure of fame via hip-hop without actually being a hip-hop artist: he’s an ex-drug-dealer turned community organizer who recently provided an interview to VladTV (one of the major curators of hip-hop culture in our generation).

Connections between black liberation and vegetarianism are relatively long-standing (the back-up crew for Public Enemy were all vegetarian, non-drinkers, non-smokers, etc., although, to my knowledge, neither of the performers were; similarly, one half of Dead Prez is vegan, as part of their overall “cultivated appearance of militancy). It is interesting to note that some activists of this kind are now linking their names to veganism.

Disclaimer: I did not watch even 1% of this video (two hours long) but I think it’s worth sharing (at least as a footnote?) here.”Brother POLIGHT” has attained some measure of fame via hip-hop without actually being a hip-hop artist: he’s an ex-drug-dealer turned community organizer who recently provided an interview to VladTV (one of the major curators of hip-hop culture in our generation).

Connections between black liberation and vegetarianism are relatively long-standing (the back-up crew for Public Enemy were all vegetarian, non-drinkers, non-smokers, etc., although, to my knowledge, neither of the performers were; similarly, one half of Dead Prez is vegan, as part of their overall “cultivated appearance of militancy). It is interesting to note that some activists of this kind are now linking their names to veganism. of 4

Genevieve Jackson

jack’s Afer effort

Jan 19 at 1:35am

Why I am not left wing.

A set of autobiographical reflections, not an analysis of the left.s

Maddalena

Emmet Larrissy

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 18 at 12:23pm

Vegan “Drama” is not Activism, It’s Defamation, Ryan.

Yes, inevitably, one more (hopefully final) message to HHV (Happy, Healthy Vegan). This is an original video, i.e., it does not repeat the content in the prior podcast (nor video) linked to these issues. I recorded this spontaneously in front of “a live, studio audience” on Younow of about 70 people, and they received it very positively (we may now watch, with amusement, if it is recevied negatively by youtube-at-large).This is over 30 minutes long, so you may wish to avail yourself of the MP3 attached, to hear it in portable form… although I suppose the monologue benefits from hand-gestures somewhat.

Yes, inevitably, one more (hopefully final) message to HHV (Happy, Healthy Vegan). This is an original video, i.e., it does not repeat the content in the prior podcast (nor video) linked to these issues. I recorded this spontaneously in front of “a live, studio audience” on Younow of about 70 people, and they received it very positively (we may now watch, with amusement, if it is recevied negatively by youtube-at-large).This is over 30 minutes long, so you may wish to avail yourself of the MP3 attached, to hear it in portable form… although I suppose the monologue benefits from hand-gestures somewhat.

Vegan Drama is not Activism, It’s Defamation, Ryan.mp3s

Zoe S

ModVegan

Jan 18 at 12:33am

Omnivores by Design? (Nikocado Avocado vs. Vegan Gains, etc.)

The podcast version (MP3 / audio-only) is attached, for those who want to hear an endless stream of curse-words (loosely connected to vegan ideology) while browsing through the organic oatmeal aisle.

Omnivores by Design? (Nikocado Avocado vs. Vegan Gains, etc).mp3s

Genevieve Jackson

Marion Poliquin

Eisel Mazard

Jan 16 at 10:42am

LOVE / RELATIONSHIPS — RICH PIANA — ALL CAPS TITLE FOR NO REASON

YES — I REALIZE I AM ROCKING THE “GORBACHEV” LOOK — CAN’T TRUST SOME BRANDS OF CHINESE RAZORS — LESSON LEARNED — NO EXCUSES — HEAD WOUND? RECORD VIDEO ANYWAY — WHATEVER IT TAKES(For those who don’t know, the style of the text above is a parody of Rich Piana’s regular act on Youtube. He’s a fan of all-caps declarative statements, separated by hyphens, for reasons we shall never know.)

MP3/podcast version attached.

YES — I REALIZE I AM ROCKING THE “GORBACHEV” LOOK — CAN’T TRUST SOME BRANDS OF CHINESE RAZORS — LESSON LEARNED — NO EXCUSES — HEAD WOUND? RECORD VIDEO ANYWAY — WHATEVER IT TAKES(For those who don’t know, the style of the text above is a parody of Rich Piana’s regular act on Youtube. He’s a fan of all-caps declarative statements, separated by hyphens, for reasons we shall never know.)

MP3/podcast version attached.

LOVE : RELATIONSHIPS — RICH PIANA — ALL CAPS TITLE FOR NO REASON.mp3

Genevieve Jackson

Emmet Larrissy

Genevieve Jackson

Jan 16 at 1:52am

Durianrider’s Diet Will Never Be Debunked, No Matter How Many People Gain Weight.

In terms of time, money, and your own lost potential (“opportunity cost”), living in Thailand for 3 months is huge decision, with ramifications for the rest of your life; a commitment of one full year, even moreso. She gained 130 pounds on the HCLF diet, and then failed to lose the weight following Durianrider’s exercise plan in Chiang Mai; here’s the link to her channel, “Whale on Wheels”: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS6shoO1LKZZamE2KFfARuw/videos

In terms of time, money, and your own lost potential (“opportunity cost”), living in Thailand for 3 months is huge decision, with ramifications for the rest of your life; a commitment of one full year, even moreso. She gained 130 pounds on the HCLF diet, and then failed to lose the weight following Durianrider’s exercise plan in Chiang Mai; here’s the link to her channel, “Whale on Wheels”: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS6shoO1LKZZamE2KFfARuw/videos

NotKurtis

Jan 15 at 2:56pm

Wearing Fur in a Vegan Restaurant: Outreach vs. Exclusivity.

This short video basically restates a debate that already transpired here, within Patreon (so, for most of you, this video won’t contain any surprises, as we already had this discussion at some length, within the Patreon comments-section).s

Genevieve Jackson

Jan 15 at 2:09pm

[Other voices:] Last of D.R.’s followers gain weight & lose their faith.

Yes, I realize that many of you will look at this post and say, “THIS AGAIN?”Yes, it’s still happening. People become “true believers”, make enormous sacrifices to spend many months in Thailand, and… gain weight instead of losing weight.

In this case, she gained cirac 130 pounds in circa one year, and failed to lose weight during four months of constant uphill cycling in Chiang Mai, Thailand, on Durianrider’s plan.

Yes, I realize that many of you will look at this post and say, “THIS AGAIN?”Yes, it’s still happening. People become “true believers”, make enormous sacrifices to spend many months in Thailand, and… gain weight instead of losing weight.

In this case, she gained cirac 130 pounds in circa one year, and failed to lose weight during four months of constant uphill cycling in Chiang Mai, Thailand, on Durianrider’s plan.s

Genevieve Jackson

Eisel Mazard

Emmet Larrissy

Alexa

Jan 15 at 6:15am

[Patreon-Exclusive] New (38 min.) Podcast, Reflecting on the Convo with Ryan, Plus the Unedited Audio.

Two very different audio-files are attached here: one is an original podcast, primarily reflecting on the conversation with Ryan (and related issues… inevitably with some reflections on my life in China, too). Much of the focus here was on what was said (and what was NOT said) in the first few minutes (not really captured on tape), when I started, in a friendly manner, by trying to talk about my own background in Buddhism, etc.(This part of the conversation was not really recorded at my end.)

I also tried to put emphasis on the example of Anna Scanlon, but Ryan was not interested in hearing it, so, here too, I’m reflecting on something that was largely unsaid in the dialogue, but that was trying to communicate.

The other file is, simply, the unedited audio of the conversation between myself and Ryan (quite boring, IMHO).

Two very different audio-files are attached here: one is an original podcast, primarily reflecting on the conversation with Ryan (and related issues… inevitably with some reflections on my life in China, too). Much of the focus here was on what was said (and what was NOT said) in the first few minutes (not really captured on tape), when I started, in a friendly manner, by trying to talk about my own background in Buddhism, etc.(This part of the conversation was not really recorded at my end.)

I also tried to put emphasis on the example of Anna Scanlon, but Ryan was not interested in hearing it, so, here too, I’m reflecting on something that was largely unsaid in the dialogue, but that was trying to communicate.

The other file is, simply, the unedited audio of the conversation between myself and Ryan (quite boring, IMHO).

REFLECTIONS on the conversation with Ryan, 38 min podcast.mp3

Ryan from HHV raw audio (UNEDITED).mp3

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 15 at 5:07am

Podcast version of the DxE video: “Is Vegan Activism Science or Showbusiness?

Man… internet-censorship makes this into a highly entertaining process: I never know if I’m gonna be able to upload or not! But hey, at least Patreon is working: there was a time (back when I had the interview with Vegan Lass / Lauren Phoenix) when I couldn’t upload audio files to Patreon at all (most likely because the website was, at that time, more reliant on services provided by Google corp. –all their services are blocked in China, often resulting in seemingly-unrelated websites failing to work properly in this part of the world).Anyway, the photo, above, shows the selection of videos that were on DxE’s channel at the time I recorded this critique (already shared as a video, here shared as an MP3 / podcast).

Man… internet-censorship makes this into a highly entertaining process: I never know if I’m gonna be able to upload or not! But hey, at least Patreon is working: there was a time (back when I had the interview with Vegan Lass / Lauren Phoenix) when I couldn’t upload audio files to Patreon at all (most likely because the website was, at that time, more reliant on services provided by Google corp. –all their services are blocked in China, often resulting in seemingly-unrelated websites failing to work properly in this part of the world).Anyway, the photo, above, shows the selection of videos that were on DxE’s channel at the time I recorded this critique (already shared as a video, here shared as an MP3 / podcast).

DxE, Science or Showbusiness, Direct Action Everywhere.mp3

Jan 15 at 5:00am

Podcast Version of the Nietzsche Video + Reflections on My Intermittent Internet Access.

Nietzsche_Vegan_Gains_and_so-called_Slave_Morality.mp3

At the moment (perhaps just today?) I _cannot_ access “the real internet” (Youtube, etc.)… and whenever this happens (in China), I’m left with a strange mix of horror and fantasy at the thought that it might be permanent. This lack of access could just last for a few days (this happened, previously, with direct correlation to international political events that, to my mind, probably resulted in the government here “tightening controls”, and, thus, paralyzing the software I use to circumnavigate the blocks)… or it could last, “forever”.Patreon, itself, has improved in its “mechanics” (as a website) considerably, and it seems that I can still upload podcasts, directly to Patreon, when I can’t access youtube (nor any other international websites)… so, I may finally go back to “Plan A”, of exclusively uploading podcasts to Patreon, or I may look into “Plan X”, of checking into a hotel from time to time, assuming that the hotel’s internet access will allow me to upload to Youtube (etc.).

Or (and this is quite likely!) my ability to access the internet may normalize after a few days (this happened, e.g., after the election of Trump).

At the moment (perhaps just today?) I _cannot_ access “the real internet” (Youtube, etc.)… and whenever this happens (in China), I’m left with a strange mix of horror and fantasy at the thought that it might be permanent. This lack of access could just last for a few days (this happened, previously, with direct correlation to international political events that, to my mind, probably resulted in the government here “tightening controls”, and, thus, paralyzing the software I use to circumnavigate the blocks)… or it could last, “forever”.Patreon, itself, has improved in its “mechanics” (as a website) considerably, and it seems that I can still upload podcasts, directly to Patreon, when I can’t access youtube (nor any other international websites)… so, I may finally go back to “Plan A”, of exclusively uploading podcasts to Patreon, or I may look into “Plan X”, of checking into a hotel from time to time, assuming that the hotel’s internet access will allow me to upload to Youtube (etc.).

Or (and this is quite likely!) my ability to access the internet may normalize after a few days (this happened, e.g., after the election of Trump).

Alec Android

Jan 15 at 5:00am

Podcast Version of the Nietzsche Video + Reflections on My Intermittent Internet Access.

Nietzsche_Vegan_Gains_and_so-called_Slave_Morality.mp3

At the moment (perhaps just today?) I _cannot_ access “the real internet” (Youtube, etc.)… and whenever this happens (in China), I’m left with a strange mix of horror and fantasy at the thought that it might be permanent. This lack of access could just last for a few days (this happened, previously, with direct correlation to international political events that, to my mind, probably resulted in the government here “tightening controls”, and, thus, paralyzing the software I use to circumnavigate the blocks)… or it could last, “forever”.Patreon, itself, has improved in its “mechanics” (as a website) considerably, and it seems that I can still upload podcasts, directly to Patreon, when I can’t access youtube (nor any other international websites)… so, I may finally go back to “Plan A”, of exclusively uploading podcasts to Patreon, or I may look into “Plan X”, of checking into a hotel from time to time, assuming that the hotel’s internet access will allow me to upload to Youtube (etc.).

Or (and this is quite likely!) my ability to access the internet may normalize after a few days (this happened, e.g., after the election of Trump).

At the moment (perhaps just today?) I _cannot_ access “the real internet” (Youtube, etc.)… and whenever this happens (in China), I’m left with a strange mix of horror and fantasy at the thought that it might be permanent. This lack of access could just last for a few days (this happened, previously, with direct correlation to international political events that, to my mind, probably resulted in the government here “tightening controls”, and, thus, paralyzing the software I use to circumnavigate the blocks)… or it could last, “forever”.Patreon, itself, has improved in its “mechanics” (as a website) considerably, and it seems that I can still upload podcasts, directly to Patreon, when I can’t access youtube (nor any other international websites)… so, I may finally go back to “Plan A”, of exclusively uploading podcasts to Patreon, or I may look into “Plan X”, of checking into a hotel from time to time, assuming that the hotel’s internet access will allow me to upload to Youtube (etc.).

Or (and this is quite likely!) my ability to access the internet may normalize after a few days (this happened, e.g., after the election of Trump).

Alec Android

Jan 14 at 7:32am

Ryan from HHV: Vegans Against Violence and Defamation? (Happy Healthy Vegan)

At last, a video to answer the question: if these two great minds were ever to meet… would Eisel be able to get through a 15 minute conversation without calling Ryan an idiot?s

Matthias K.

ModVegan

Eisel Mazard

Jan 14 at 2:31am

(Whoops… I will upload podcast versions for the new videos)

Sorry, guys: I started uploading last night before I went to bed, woke up early in strange circumstances, etc. …so I forgot to attach MP3 (audio-only/podcast) versions to the videos.I uploaded four videos last night… I’ll put up the MP3 files for all four (as attachments to a single post) within the next 6 hours (as I know that some of you want to hear this stuff on an MP3 player, etc.).

Sorry, guys: I started uploading last night before I went to bed, woke up early in strange circumstances, etc. …so I forgot to attach MP3 (audio-only/podcast) versions to the videos.I uploaded four videos last night… I’ll put up the MP3 files for all four (as attachments to a single post) within the next 6 hours (as I know that some of you want to hear this stuff on an MP3 player, etc.).s

Grant TB

Eisel Mazard

Eva Weiß

Jan 14 at 12:37am

DxE: Is Vegan Activism Science or Showbusiness?

Please note that this is NOT the first video I’ve made on Direct Action Everywhere (many of the earlier videos give more of a balanced critique (or broad-ranging discussion), but there’s no point in repeating that material here). You can see the list of such videos via this link: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxEThe shortest video I’ve made on this topic (with footage of their “disruptions”/protests) is titled, “DxE is a Joke: Vegans and “Disruption” as Protest.”, and, as it comes right to the point in only 3 minutes, you might want to see that one, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osvas6zquD4

Please note that this is NOT the first video I’ve made on Direct Action Everywhere (many of the earlier videos give more of a balanced critique (or broad-ranging discussion), but there’s no point in repeating that material here). You can see the list of such videos via this link: https://www.youtube.com/user/HeiJinZhengZhi/search?query=DxEThe shortest video I’ve made on this topic (with footage of their “disruptions”/protests) is titled, “DxE is a Joke: Vegans and “Disruption” as Protest.”, and, as it comes right to the point in only 3 minutes, you might want to see that one, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osvas6zquD4s

Genevieve Jackson

Eisel Mazard

Jacob Schröck

Jan 14 at 12:36am

Nietzsche’s “Slave Morality” (& Vegan Gains): Is Philosophy a Science or Showbusiness?

If you want to follow up on the bizarre theory of “the Chandalas” (Tschandala) and their alleged connection to Judaism, the name to google Koenraad Elst: he did exhaustive research on Nietzsche’s use (and misuse) of Indian/Sanskrit sources.(BTW, I beleive Richard (“Vegan Gains”) is not offended by this content, that is –in some small part– a criticism of him: I sent him some quotations from academic articles on these issues.)

If you want to follow up on the bizarre theory of “the Chandalas” (Tschandala) and their alleged connection to Judaism, the name to google Koenraad Elst: he did exhaustive research on Nietzsche’s use (and misuse) of Indian/Sanskrit sources.(BTW, I beleive Richard (“Vegan Gains”) is not offended by this content, that is –in some small part– a criticism of him: I sent him some quotations from academic articles on these issues.)s

Emmet Larrissy

ModVegan

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 14 at 12:33am

[Patreon Exclusive] A Little Bit Of Reckless Joy.

I might share this one “temporarily” on youtube (i.e., have it appear for a day, then disappear). I’ve done this before with Patreon exclusives, just to let people know what they’re missing, and let a few hundred other people have a glimpse. Remember, too, some of my patreon supporters pay the $1, but never log in (never see the exclusive posts), so this reminds them that the exclusive content exists, too.

I might share this one “temporarily” on youtube (i.e., have it appear for a day, then disappear). I’ve done this before with Patreon exclusives, just to let people know what they’re missing, and let a few hundred other people have a glimpse. Remember, too, some of my patreon supporters pay the $1, but never log in (never see the exclusive posts), so this reminds them that the exclusive content exists, too.

A moment of reckless joy (misc anecdotes, incl Laos).mp3s

Belinda

NotKurtis

Jan 12 at 10:50am

Adults Acting Like Teenagers: Freelee & Durianrider’s “Legacy” in Veganism.

[Note: MP3 / Podcast version attached, for those who would prefer to consume this content on the stairmaster, etc.]

This video opens with a facepalm: we’re talking about fully grown men engaging in defamation just to get attention (no, Jeff Nelson is not the only one). Vegans have to start thinking about the future of the movement, and behaving in a manner that can build the movement: there’s a difference between debate and defamation, and some degree of “due diligence” is necessary before you slander people on the internet. You don’t have to respect me to realize this: you can have some respect for yourself, and some concern for the future of the movement.

[Note: MP3 / Podcast version attached, for those who would prefer to consume this content on the stairmaster, etc.]

This video opens with a facepalm: we’re talking about fully grown men engaging in defamation just to get attention (no, Jeff Nelson is not the only one). Vegans have to start thinking about the future of the movement, and behaving in a manner that can build the movement: there’s a difference between debate and defamation, and some degree of “due diligence” is necessary before you slander people on the internet. You don’t have to respect me to realize this: you can have some respect for yourself, and some concern for the future of the movement.

Adults Acting Like Teenagers, Freelee & Durianrider’s Legacy in Veganism.mp3s

Emmet Larrissy

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 12 at 8:43am

Next book on the docket? (For review… ?)

I may have to send an email asking a familiar friend (who remains anonymous) if he/she can send me this one as a PDF (because, normally, it is impossible for me to order these books in China, even as etexts).This is a new publication in 2016, and this certainly seems like a strong candidate for review/discussion (in some ways, naturally branching off from the discussion of “effective activism” in recent videos).

I may have to send an email asking a familiar friend (who remains anonymous) if he/she can send me this one as a PDF (because, normally, it is impossible for me to order these books in China, even as etexts).This is a new publication in 2016, and this certainly seems like a strong candidate for review/discussion (in some ways, naturally branching off from the discussion of “effective activism” in recent videos).s

Sean Donahue

Eisel Mazard

Sean Donahue

Jan 10 at 11:56pm

[Video version:] Vegans: Beyond Abolitionism (Beyond PETA & Peter Singer, too)

Note that the podcast version (MP3) was already shared within Patreon as a separate post (a few days ago… or perhaps yesterday… depending on your time-zone).Overall, I do think this is one of the most interesting and useful discussions I’ve hosted on the channel.s

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 10 at 4:11am

10 Minute Excerpt from the Podcast: Storybook, University Education, etc.

Some of you may have missed it, but the whole conversation (over an hour long) has already been shared here, within Patreon (yesterday, on my time-zone).

Emmet Larrissy

Eisel Mazard

Emmet Larrissy

Jan 9 at 11:05pm

An intelligent comment on the madness of making Youtube videos.

You guys may or may not remember Jake Eames (from 8 months ago?)… he’s one of the only people (perhaps THE ONLY PERSON?) to appear on my channel, “LIVE”, with the two of us sitting next to eachother in the same room (when we were both in Chiang Mai).This was posted in reply to the latter half of my recent video (that is, really, not as shallow as the title may make it seem), “So, you’re starting a youtube channel?”

You guys may or may not remember Jake Eames (from 8 months ago?)… he’s one of the only people (perhaps THE ONLY PERSON?) to appear on my channel, “LIVE”, with the two of us sitting next to eachother in the same room (when we were both in Chiang Mai).This was posted in reply to the latter half of my recent video (that is, really, not as shallow as the title may make it seem), “So, you’re starting a youtube channel?”s

Jan 9 at 2:24pm

[Podcast Version] Beyond Abolitionism (Beyond PETA, DxE & Peter Singer, too)

The video will take a long, long time to upload to youtube, so here (as a separate posting) is the MP3 of the conversation I recorded with ModVegan.I’m really pleased with the way this recording turned out (it is shared, here, without a single edit). I think the conversation is both interesting and –genuinely– useful.

Most of you are already familiar with ModVegan’s channel, but here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwREs2xdJSI0Zj9nL2MzKA/videos

The video version has an intro added to it (three-and-a-half minutes long) that is NOT included with the audio-only / podcast version. Note, also, that the video will not be Patreon-exclusive: it will be shared with the whole audience on youtube (when it uploads… and that will take quite a long time).

The video will take a long, long time to upload to youtube, so here (as a separate posting) is the MP3 of the conversation I recorded with ModVegan.I’m really pleased with the way this recording turned out (it is shared, here, without a single edit). I think the conversation is both interesting and –genuinely– useful.

Most of you are already familiar with ModVegan’s channel, but here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXwREs2xdJSI0Zj9nL2MzKA/videos

The video version has an intro added to it (three-and-a-half minutes long) that is NOT included with the audio-only / podcast version. Note, also, that the video will not be Patreon-exclusive: it will be shared with the whole audience on youtube (when it uploads… and that will take quite a long time).

Beyond Abolitionism (Beyond PETA, DxE & Peter Singer, too).mp3s

Tom Lewis

NotKurtis

ModVegan

Jan 9 at 10:43am

So, you’re starting a youtube channel? (Politics, philosophy, personal life, etc.)

Advice Nobody Wants to Hear [Ep. 006] Episode Six.*The second half of this video is NOT SHALLOW: the advice on building up an audience (shallow enough, but useful, in its way) gets into some reflections on the meaning of life, and my maxim that “suffering will change you” –and, above all else, suffering will change your character is ways that you cannot anticipate (nor fully understand).

* (Yes, I’m still counting the episodes in that “ongoing series”… going WAAAY back to the start of this channel!)

[MP3 / audio-only / podcast version attached, for those who want to listen “on the go”.]

Advice Nobody Wants to Hear [Ep. 006] Episode Six.*The second half of this video is NOT SHALLOW: the advice on building up an audience (shallow enough, but useful, in its way) gets into some reflections on the meaning of life, and my maxim that “suffering will change you” –and, above all else, suffering will change your character is ways that you cannot anticipate (nor fully understand).

* (Yes, I’m still counting the episodes in that “ongoing series”… going WAAAY back to the start of this channel!)

[MP3 / audio-only / podcast version attached, for those who want to listen “on the go”.]

So, you’re starting a youtube channel? (Politics, philosophy, personal life, etc.).mp3s

Jan 8 at 9:44pm

A Vegan Critique of “Animal Rights: The Abolitionist Approach”, by Gary Francione.

The MP3 (audio-only version / podcast) is attached below.

Critique of Animal Rights, The Abolitionist Approach, by Gary Francione.mp3s

Maddalena

I wonder is there is a writer defending my only argument pro-veganism, the fact that we don’t need animal products anymore. It is the only valid argument that make everybody question. Is someone ask me why I don’t drink milk I simply answer because we don’t need to drink it anymore as we have better alternatives. To that, the ONLY answer I get from people is “but it tastes good!” to which I reply “I’d rather drink something a less tasty but not torture animals in the process, and taste is just a matter of habit anyway”. I talk about these things all the time everywhere and I never had anyone ignoring this argument, but they certainly do if I talk about veganism from a health perspective or a moral one. The dignity argument explained by Eisel sounds beautiful to me because I am vegan but it just won’t make an argument during conversations with non-vegan, most of people I know do not see any harm in exploiting animals they think it’s normal. To me veganism is a scientific change, it is evolution. In the old days, we didn’t know any better, now we do. Ethology proved us animals are way more intelligent that we ever thought, the study of ecology showed us how destructive animal farming is, nutrition science gave us the knowledge to nourish ourselves without animal products, the industrials now knows how to make faux leather and faux everything. We just can not ignore everything we discovered in the last 50 years, we must evolve to veganism because now we can, we do not need to torture and kill animals to survive anymore so if we do it’s just for stupid habit and pleasure. I don’t see how anyone can disagree with that.

Eisel Mazard

There was one very popular blogger on Tumblr who defined his veganism entirely in terms of “futurity” (not his choice of terms), making comparisons to “Star Trek”, etc.; this is to say, he argued (in the way that you suggest) that veganism should not proceed from an idealization of nature, but, instead, from an idealization of progress, or a sense that science unlocks the potential of having a vegan society in the future. His blog fell apart (and was deleted) when he broke up with his girlfriend and became depressed.

Emmet Larrissy

Eisel Mazard

Jan 8 at 12:36pm

[Patreon Exclusive] [Podcast] [1hr+] Reflections on Education & The Future of My Vegan Storybook, etc. (w. Jae Costly)

This is a long and diverse conversation, and while it sounds like Jae Costly and I are old friends, this is, in fact, only the second time we’ve ever spoken.I think the reflections on my still-ongoing project to illustrate (and publish) a vegan storybook, but that only becomes the topic of conversation over 38 minutes into the recording. Prior to that, we talk at quite some length about university education, including the (fascinating, to me) context of my own employment at a university on the outermost edge of China (in an area of considerable linguistic and cultural diversity).

The conversation is one hour and thirteen minutes long (no edits!).

This is a long and diverse conversation, and while it sounds like Jae Costly and I are old friends, this is, in fact, only the second time we’ve ever spoken.I think the reflections on my still-ongoing project to illustrate (and publish) a vegan storybook, but that only becomes the topic of conversation over 38 minutes into the recording. Prior to that, we talk at quite some length about university education, including the (fascinating, to me) context of my own employment at a university on the outermost edge of China (in an area of considerable linguistic and cultural diversity).

The conversation is one hour and thirteen minutes long (no edits!).

The Future of My Vegan Storybook, etc.mp3s

NotKurtis

Eisel Mazard

M

Eisel Mazard

Jan 8 at 11:57am

[Patreon Exclusive] Vegan Mojo, Excerpt from a FIVE HOUR broadcast.

I spent five hours and fifteen minutes (continuously) broadcasting on Younow today, and I think Vegan Mojo was my guest for less than an hour. Here’s an excerpt from the conversation we had.

Mojo, excerpt from a 5 hour broadcast.mp3

Jonathan Kovac

It’s interesting you brought up both pharmacy and Pittsburgh. I am a pharmacist from Pittsburgh (the veganpharmD from the chat). If your ever in Pittsburgh you need to try Apteka. It’s the polish vegan place you talk about, and Apteka is polish for pharmacy. Odd coincidence. I think Pittsburgh really does have a great vegan network. There is a Pittsburgh vegan website where restaurants that have vegan options are identified and those restaurants display marking on both their menu items and door to denote vegan-friendly. The fact that exists shows the demand for such a service. I can’t say I am involved with a local vegan organization, but based on your chat with Vegan Mojo, it sounds like I should seek one out.

Genevieve Jackson

I love Apteka! Fellow Pittsburgh vegan here.

Genevieve Jackson

B52 and Eden are pretty off the hook as well. Zenith is so bizarre!

Jonathan Kovac

I know! It’s very odd decor, but very good food. I love Eden as well. Great, now I’m hungry.

Jan 7 at 3:57pm

[Patreon Exclusive] Talking About Political Philosophy (& misc. diet and exercise update).

I have a lot of experience living without a desk… so, when I have the chance to actually control my environment, I tend to invest in a very large desk indeed. This was filmed at night, but, during the daytime, this whole room is flooded with natural sunlight (at all hours) from the two, huge windows.

I have a lot of experience living without a desk… so, when I have the chance to actually control my environment, I tend to invest in a very large desk indeed. This was filmed at night, but, during the daytime, this whole room is flooded with natural sunlight (at all hours) from the two, huge windows.s

Genevieve Jackson

I must have caught your cold via the YouTube airwaves. Hopefully it doesn’t last 15 days for me.

James Newman

I’d be interesting in hearing a review of Rousseau or any of the other philosophes.

Jan 7 at 9:51am

On a lighter note: people wearing fur in vegan restaurants.

I offered this comment on one of two videos by “Veganut” (a native of Toronto, and a friend to Richard/Vegan Gains):I’ve had to think about this problem (really think about it) when I’ve seen people wearing fur in a vegan restaurant myself, but the bottom line is that if I don’t own the restaurant (or if I’m not the manager, etc.) then the responsible thing to do is ask the owner/manager. One customer can’t kick out another customer, and some vegan restaurant owners are happy to host fur-wearing meat-eaters.

For those of you who have been watching my channel for a long, long time, I did mention (over a year ago?) my mixed feelings when someone had a fur/leather coat, on the table, at a vegan restaurant in Victoria.

I think that many vegan restaurant owners (1) would be happy to have the business, regardless of the coat being worn, but also (2) might be happy to imagine that meat-eaters (wearing fur) could still have a positive experience at a vegan restaurant and –thus– might be more likely to become vegan one day in the future.

On some level, we might like to think that a vegan restaurant is a place “for vegans”… but, on another level, it may be most important as a form of outreach to non-vegans… and, thus, fur-wearing meat-eaters would be welcome.

I offered this comment on one of two videos by “Veganut” (a native of Toronto, and a friend to Richard/Vegan Gains):I’ve had to think about this problem (really think about it) when I’ve seen people wearing fur in a vegan restaurant myself, but the bottom line is that if I don’t own the restaurant (or if I’m not the manager, etc.) then the responsible thing to do is ask the owner/manager. One customer can’t kick out another customer, and some vegan restaurant owners are happy to host fur-wearing meat-eaters.

For those of you who have been watching my channel for a long, long time, I did mention (over a year ago?) my mixed feelings when someone had a fur/leather coat, on the table, at a vegan restaurant in Victoria.

I think that many vegan restaurant owners (1) would be happy to have the business, regardless of the coat being worn, but also (2) might be happy to imagine that meat-eaters (wearing fur) could still have a positive experience at a vegan restaurant and –thus– might be more likely to become vegan one day in the future.

On some level, we might like to think that a vegan restaurant is a place “for vegans”… but, on another level, it may be most important as a form of outreach to non-vegans… and, thus, fur-wearing meat-eaters would be welcome.s

Genevieve Jackson

It’s like when people go to a Fetish club in golfing attire. It’s sickening to see. My mom wore a fur coat to a vegan potluck, and loves telling the story of everyone’s reactions. It was a vintage bear fur and extremely hideous. I took her to a vegan restaurant recently and she told the owner( my friend) about her son curing prosciutto in the basement. She also went on about how three of her kids went vegan bla bla and she had quite a vegan cooking repertoire. Luckily my friend that owns the restaurant wasn’t a Gary Yourofsky type, but I was seething with a bit of GY rage.

Genevieve Jackson

I love veganut. BTW the app is being glitchy, won’t let me see your full descriptions.

Jan 7 at 9:33am

A Question of Method: Not Just an Academic Debate.

I realize it is gauche to post “a wall of text” as an image, but I thought this was worth sharing, because it really puts a human face on the (“academic”) debates about method that take up so much space on my channel. I think the pro-DxE commenter (at top) is being honest in saying, “It will make you feel better” –for many of these people, the reasons for protesting (and for adopting the methods they choose) are, in this way, largely emotional. Although the response from the second commenter is full of coarse language, it also shows a real-world outcome from this sort of protest: he was kicked out of a restaurant (that has vegan options) where vegans had protested in the past (although he didn’t protest himself, etc.).The source of this comment is below a low-quality video (that is very sincere, but rather poorly put together) titled, “DxE Hurts Veganism”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbYMfcRpR8k

I realize it is gauche to post “a wall of text” as an image, but I thought this was worth sharing, because it really puts a human face on the (“academic”) debates about method that take up so much space on my channel. I think the pro-DxE commenter (at top) is being honest in saying, “It will make you feel better” –for many of these people, the reasons for protesting (and for adopting the methods they choose) are, in this way, largely emotional. Although the response from the second commenter is full of coarse language, it also shows a real-world outcome from this sort of protest: he was kicked out of a restaurant (that has vegan options) where vegans had protested in the past (although he didn’t protest himself, etc.).The source of this comment is below a low-quality video (that is very sincere, but rather poorly put together) titled, “DxE Hurts Veganism”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbYMfcRpR8ks

Genevieve Jackson

I have found some of what they do pretty powerful, but I lose respect when they give turkeys funerals at WFM. That makes vegans look like complete idiots.

Grant TB

Jan 6 at 12:35pm

Money: Ted Carr is lying to you. Vegans selling the “digital nomad” dream are lying to you.

Again, not a shallow drama video, but a set of reflections on earning a living (in Asia, and generally) and the misleading ways in which the job stated on someone’s business card may not be the way they pay their rent.And, yes, Ted Carr made a new video about how he allegedly earned his money… and I think it leaves the better part of the truth untold.

Again, not a shallow drama video, but a set of reflections on earning a living (in Asia, and generally) and the misleading ways in which the job stated on someone’s business card may not be the way they pay their rent.And, yes, Ted Carr made a new video about how he allegedly earned his money… and I think it leaves the better part of the truth untold.s

John Henderson

Eisel Mazard

John Henderson

Eisel Mazard

Jan 4 at 11:12pm

(This is NOT a shallow gossip/drama video!) Unnatural Vegan, Fully Raw Kristina, & Peter Singer.

Yes, I realize the title for this post is absurd, but this really (really!) is NOT a “drama” video: it’s a discussion of the philosophical legacy of Peter Singer (and his brand of “utilitarianism” and “consequentialism” within vegan) with the current controversy connecting Unnatural Vegan and Fully Raw Kristina being the spark for the debate.And there’s an audio-only (MP3 / podcast) version attached, for your convenience.

The original title (as seen on Youtube) is: No, You’re NOT Vegan: Unnatural Vegan, Fully Raw Kristina, & Peter Singer

Yes, I realize the title for this post is absurd, but this really (really!) is NOT a “drama” video: it’s a discussion of the philosophical legacy of Peter Singer (and his brand of “utilitarianism” and “consequentialism” within vegan) with the current controversy connecting Unnatural Vegan and Fully Raw Kristina being the spark for the debate.And there’s an audio-only (MP3 / podcast) version attached, for your convenience.

The original title (as seen on Youtube) is: No, You’re NOT Vegan: Unnatural Vegan, Fully Raw Kristina, & Peter Singer

You’re NOT Vegan, Unnatural Vegan, Fully Raw Kristina, & Peter Singer.mp3s

Mike On Raw

Well I saw Kristina put a video up showing her closet and apologizing. Obviously she had numerous chances to address this in the past though maybe when it was brought up previously there wasn’t enough noise for her to notice posts on her Instagram asking about the shoes. I just ended a business relationship with a group that was very good at apologizing. Apologies direct out of MBA manuals on how to apologize, yet resolutions to issues never really happened, just more opportunities to apologize. Unnatural Vegan has her own issues, and she doesn’t apologize. I’m not sure how credible Kristina is at saying that she is learning more and hadn’t been aware of the issues around her items. I would have preferred that rather than seeming to suddenly be considering alternatives because people harassed her about it, that she would have indicated she really had to consider if she even cared about the use of animal products in her clothes. And that with consideration she was able to make a decision. Because simply bending to the people making noise isn’t in her best interest, nor the animals.

Eisel Mazard

Thanks for a thoughtful comment, Mike. I do think that apologies fall into a category of things that are completely different when done by individuals, vs. done by companies/institutions/abstract-entities. My impression of Kristina, herself, is that she is just extremely stupid: unfathomably stupid, frankly. That isn’t an excuse, but it is an explanation. I don’t mind that so many prominent vegans are stupid; my problem is that so few are NOT stupid. It’s okay, fundamentally, if we have a bunch of imbeciles like Kristina, preaching a combination of new-age spirituality, weight-loss, and other vanities; the problem is the paucity of anything more substantive to contrast it to. I do believe that Kristina is stupid enough to wear leather (repeatedly) without realizing it.

Alex Boyd

I’ve always wondered about this utilitarian appeal to mental capacity. Would it not follow, if one were to accept it, that it’s not unethical to euthanise mentally-handicapped humans? Just as long as we treat them with compassion before we do it?

Rewi Stirrat

Peter Singer has actually said these exact things, and I don’t really disagree with him. I’ve worked for extremely intellectually disabled people – I’m talking non-ambulatory, non-verbal people unable to so much as feed themselves, use the toilet, talk, walk…they’re basically adult babies that are being kept alive with virtually zero quality of life. Constant confusion, pain, self-harm… So yeah, I do think euthanisation has justification in some circumstances of extreme intellectual disability.

Jan 4 at 4:38am

Fully Raw Kristina Wears Leather Shoes, Regularly, It Seems.

I actually do think that a number of meaningful things could be said about this controversy, but Unnatural Vegan managed to make a six minute video on the topic without mentioning any of them:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUUNJBFwNE

I’d point out that the reason for the anger (amongst many of Kristina’s fans) is that she has been photographed in leather shoes before, and has had this pointed out to her before, etc., and so this is now being addressed as “a pattern of conscious choices, not an isolated mistake”, as the comment in the image above puts it.

I actually do think that a number of meaningful things could be said about this controversy, but Unnatural Vegan managed to make a six minute video on the topic without mentioning any of them:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvUUNJBFwNE

I’d point out that the reason for the anger (amongst many of Kristina’s fans) is that she has been photographed in leather shoes before, and has had this pointed out to her before, etc., and so this is now being addressed as “a pattern of conscious choices, not an isolated mistake”, as the comment in the image above puts it.s

Mike On Raw

You know, I have thought hard about the car interior problem. Even when I look at reasonably priced American cars it is hard to find one that comes from the manufacturer with what you want in safety features and doesn’t come with animal skin covering everything. If I want blind spot reporting and advanced stability control I also have to take leather covered seats and dashes. So do I buy a car with that stuff, then pay someone to tear it all out and recover the interior of the car in non animal products? Aside from the cost of doing that how does that promote change in the marketplace? Next year I’ll be buying a new car for my wife and I know I’m going to run into this problem. I’m hoping I can maybe “order” a car built outside of their option packages, thus show there is demand for a less cruel option. It’ll likely cost more if I can do it, but at least then it feels like I’m sending some small message.

Art.of.War

Hmm. I don’t wear any non-vegan items myself, and I’m not a fan of Christina, or her wearing leather. However, it should be entirely possible for a female who loves mainstream high fashion to feel comfortable and welcome in the vegan community. If you’re a guy, imagine how uncomfortable and unwelcome you’d feel if the vegan community constantly hunted out, derided, and ridiculed men who love mechanical stuff (drones, motorbikes, cameras that are way fancier than they really need) as “unvegan,” and vegan leaders encouraged the community to tar you with a sneering, man-hating label such as “gadgetguy” (instead of “handbag”).

ModVegan

I definitely bristle at DR’s “handbag basic” slurs, but those people can’t stand anyone normal, so whatever. But there is plenty of vegan fashion. Nine West is slowly veganizing their shoes and bags, and a lot of other labels like Issey Miyake and Maison Margiella are turning to synthetic items. Ted Baker, too. I love fashion, but it’s not necessary to wear dead animals to look fashionable. I hope a few more “handbag basic” vegans will start popping up, so that women can see that you can enjoy mainstream fashion and be truly vegan.

Jan 3 at 10:06am

[Other Voices:] Vegan Gains (Inevitably) Critiques Vegan Cheetah.

Although most of you are familiar with Richard (Vegan Gains) and don’t really need me to provide the link (i.e., unlike my promotion of small/obscure channels here within Patreon), this one may be of more-than-average interest for my patreon supporters. This is perhaps MORE interesting if you’ve long since given up listening to what Cheetah has to say (i.e., because you’ll be hearing it for the first time, here).For the record, I have actually heard Cheetah say even worse (on his livestream), e.g., in endorsing “lean meat” as being healthier than “processed” vegan foods (such as veggie-burgers).

Although most of you are familiar with Richard (Vegan Gains) and don’t really need me to provide the link (i.e., unlike my promotion of small/obscure channels here within Patreon), this one may be of more-than-average interest for my patreon supporters. This is perhaps MORE interesting if you’ve long since given up listening to what Cheetah has to say (i.e., because you’ll be hearing it for the first time, here).For the record, I have actually heard Cheetah say even worse (on his livestream), e.g., in endorsing “lean meat” as being healthier than